Both Grimes and IQ are going to be behind them on the depth chart and are also going to only get 15-20 minutes a night like Toppin. Knicks really need to get rid of 1 of Rose or Fournier to open up minutes for the young players
I get your concern but Grimes and Fournier can play the 3 too so it isn't as clogged as say PF with Randle and Obi.
There is also Reddish who needs playing time at the 3.
There are just not enough minutes to divy up with Brunson/Fournier/Rose/RJ/Grimes/IQ/Reddish and with Thibs and how he favors the vets there is a good chance REddish would not even make the rotation right now, and IQ and Grimes end up with 15 minutes a night .
I mean if you do the math Brunson and RJ play around 35 a night and Fournier plays around 30. That leaves you with 46 minutes between those 3 positions. Rose will get around 20. So 26 minutes to divide between Quickley and Grimes (approximately ). 1 of Rose or Fournier HAS to go in order for both of them to get the minutes they need
Feels good to know we'll be going to sleep tonight
I'd rather have Grimes start a d IQ with the second team and overlap with Brunson. Who is leading the 2nd unit? Rose? McBride?
Rose was the reason we made the playoffs two years ago. I wouldn't sleep on him in that role.
But he isn't reliable. He's always banged up and as we've seen the last two years, Thibs likes consistency with his units. Even when Rose got hurt, he kept IQ with the 2nd unit and had Burks with the starters. Thibs will want IQ with that 2nd unit. That doesn't mean he will get backup minutes. We've seen Thibs stick with IQ at the end of games. IQ doesn't have to be a PG but I owe him an apology. That last month and a half he was clicking. Thibs likes combo guards like that and Rose and IQ can easily play off of each other. IQ can come in early to get time with Brunson as well and we'll see how the end of games are handled. And, as has been mentioned before, Brunson will need another defender next to him. That first unit with Brunson, RJ, and Randle already have enough ball handlers. Grimes is a perfect match for that unit.
RE: RE: RE: Aside from Randle, this is also the problem with still having
I mean if you do the math Brunson and RJ play around 35 a night and Fournier plays around 30. That leaves you with 46 minutes between those 3 positions. Rose will get around 20. So 26 minutes to divide between Quickley and Grimes (approximately ). 1 of Rose or Fournier HAS to go in order for both of them to get the minutes they need
Fournier could easily be S&T in the Brunson deal.
And we could deal Rose pretty easily. Trade him to BOS for a couple of second rounders.
Both Grimes and IQ are going to be behind them on the depth chart and are also going to only get 15-20 minutes a night like Toppin. Knicks really need to get rid of 1 of Rose or Fournier to open up minutes for the young players
I get your concern but Grimes and Fournier can play the 3 too so it isn't as clogged as say PF with Randle and Obi.
There is also Reddish who needs playing time at the 3.
There are just not enough minutes to divy up with Brunson/Fournier/Rose/RJ/Grimes/IQ/Reddish and with Thibs and how he favors the vets there is a good chance REddish would not even make the rotation right now, and IQ and Grimes end up with 15 minutes a night .
I mean if you do the math Brunson and RJ play around 35 a night and Fournier plays around 30. That leaves you with 46 minutes between those 3 positions. Rose will get around 20. So 26 minutes to divide between Quickley and Grimes (approximately ). 1 of Rose or Fournier HAS to go in order for both of them to get the minutes they need
Reddish seems like trade bait to me and I wouldn't put him above the others mentioned. Yes, we have a ton of bodies and it will be tough to get these young kids a lot of minutes.
But he isn't reliable. He's always banged up and as we've seen the last two years, Thibs likes consistency with his units. Even when Rose got hurt, he kept IQ with the 2nd unit and had Burks with the starters. Thibs will want IQ with that 2nd unit. That doesn't mean he will get backup minutes. We've seen Thibs stick with IQ at the end of games. IQ doesn't have to be a PG but I owe him an apology. That last month and a half he was clicking. Thibs likes combo guards like that and Rose and IQ can easily play off of each other. IQ can come in early to get time with Brunson as well and we'll see how the end of games are handled. And, as has been mentioned before, Brunson will need another defender next to him. That first unit with Brunson, RJ, and Randle already have enough ball handlers. Grimes is a perfect match for that unit.
You're right. I think your view is going to play out. Thibs likes IQ first of the bench. And having Grimes as the complementary piece to RJ and Brunson does make sense too.
I mean if you do the math Brunson and RJ play around 35 a night and Fournier plays around 30. That leaves you with 46 minutes between those 3 positions. Rose will get around 20. So 26 minutes to divide between Quickley and Grimes (approximately ). 1 of Rose or Fournier HAS to go in order for both of them to get the minutes they need
Fournier could easily be S&T in the Brunson deal.
And we could deal Rose pretty easily. Trade him to BOS for a couple of second rounders.
That works for me . Anything to get rid of these Vets. The priority for this front office needs to be figuring out how to get Quickley, Grimes, and Toppin at least 25 minutes a night next season and that will only happen if at least 1 of Rose oor Fournier are traded and Randle
I mean if you do the math Brunson and RJ play around 35 a night and Fournier plays around 30. That leaves you with 46 minutes between those 3 positions. Rose will get around 20. So 26 minutes to divide between Quickley and Grimes (approximately ). 1 of Rose or Fournier HAS to go in order for both of them to get the minutes they need
Fournier could easily be S&T in the Brunson deal.
And we could deal Rose pretty easily. Trade him to BOS for a couple of second rounders.
That works for me . Anything to get rid of these Vets. The priority for this front office needs to be figuring out how to get Quickley, Grimes, and Toppin at least 25 minutes a night next season and that will only happen if at least 1 of Rose oor Fournier are traded and Randle
We'd need to sign somebody though. We'd be clearing space and if we're re-signing Mitch, we might as well go over the cap on that deal.
but a starting lineup of Brunson/Grimes/RJ/OBI/Mitch would be a lot of fun and there is a lot of room for growth there as well.
Then have Quickley with either Rose or Fournier /Reddish/Hartenstein and they would need to add a backup 3 or 4 coming off the bench and that team would be a lot of fun to watch and root for
If he is here, I don't see him coming off the bench. He'll be starting games and that backcourt will be a defrnsive liability. They won't bring him off the bench because that'll hurt his trade value more imo. They'll try to pump him up to potential suitors. I just think he's a bad fit.
right now if there are no sign and trades? We can go over the cap to sign Robinson but that means something else might be coming as we haven't heard anything other than speculation with Mitch so far.
& it'll be a great day if we find a taker for Randle, but I don't see that happening...today @ least.
If they were to trade Randle, who backs up OBI? All of a sudden they would have a big whole at PF.
I agree that they need to find more minutes for Toppin, but I'm not sure of an easy answer without the team suffering for it unless Tibbs will start using them together more often.
So Shams comes out & says we're signing Brunson before FA 'technically' begins @ 6 ET. Anyone else concerned Cuban might throw holy hell & cry tampering to Silver? It'd be on brand for Mark.
RE: Anybody have a speculation at where we are with the cap
right now if there are no sign and trades? We can go over the cap to sign Robinson but that means something else might be coming as we haven't heard anything other than speculation with Mitch so far.
Signing Mitch is your best value play. If he walks, you get nothing and the day looks less bright. You can always trade him down the line.
So Shams comes out & says we're signing Brunson before FA 'technically' begins @ 6 ET. Anyone else concerned Cuban might throw holy hell & cry tampering to Silver? It'd be on brand for Mark.
They won't need to. The NBA ahould be investigating that on their own. It was so blatantly obvious. The good news is that the precedent for this is like a 2nd round pick so worst case scenario is that we lose a 2nd.
RE: RE: Anybody have a speculation at where we are with the cap
right now if there are no sign and trades? We can go over the cap to sign Robinson but that means something else might be coming as we haven't heard anything other than speculation with Mitch so far.
Signing Mitch is your best value play. If he walks, you get nothing and the day looks less bright. You can always trade him down the line.
Okay, but that had nothing to do with what I was talking about. Lol. I'm saying he hasn't signed yet so it seems more moves are on the way otherwise he would have signed already.
I'd worry about that later. I think the sooner Randle is gone, the better...for all parties. And my main fear is that if he does stick around, Thibs-stubborn AF that he is-will continue to play him heavy minutes @ the expense of Obi.
I was banging the drum to trade him earlier than most and we missed our window. He's not a bad guy at all. He was frustrated last year. I hated his attitude but he does care and wants to be here. Rose, Thibs, Randle, and whoever else need to sit down and have a conversation about what is best for the team and him. Obi needs to play. That's non-negotiable. Thibs needs to find ways to play both m9re consistently. Randle needs to realize he has help and doesn't need to do it all himself. Randle really isn't a selfish player. He is like most though. When things get bad you revert to what you know and what he knows is to dominate the ball. He can't be taking last second shots. He sucks at them. Focus on what he does well and how the team benefits from what he does well. He's not stupid. He'll get it. If at that point he still wants out then the easy selling point is for him to help this team win because that is when his value isnthe highest, not because he scores more. Then he can be moved.
As I said earlier, I was calling for him to be traded before most but now is not the right time unless it is too good to pass up. The problem is nobody wants him now. Fine. He's not a bad player. He has more value to us on the team right now. Thibs just has to give Obi minutes and fans won't be pissed off.
I agree that they need to find more minutes for Toppin, but I'm not sure of an easy answer without the team suffering for it unless Tibbs will start using them together more often.
If we re-sign Mitch and having signed Hartenstein - that doesn't sound like a plan involving Randle and Obi playing together.
Not sure if Randle wants to be here; I don't know WTF was going on with him last season-I speculated stuff going on in his personal life-but he looked miserable. And then he was getting into it with the fans, which was stupid AF because no athlete is ever going to win a war vs. the fans. The letter he penned in the 'The Player's Tribune' might have been a decade ago.
& my greatest fear with keeping Randle is that its at Obi's expense because let's face it...Thibs is still the coach & unless he has a come to Jesus moment, he is going to ride 'his guys', if you will, at the expense of the youngins.
I was banging the drum to trade him earlier than most and we missed our window. He's not a bad guy at all. He was frustrated last year. I hated his attitude but he does care and wants to be here. Rose, Thibs, Randle, and whoever else need to sit down and have a conversation about what is best for the team and him. Obi needs to play. That's non-negotiable. Thibs needs to find ways to play both m9re consistently. Randle needs to realize he has help and doesn't need to do it all himself. Randle really isn't a selfish player. He is like most though. When things get bad you revert to what you know and what he knows is to dominate the ball. He can't be taking last second shots. He sucks at them. Focus on what he does well and how the team benefits from what he does well. He's not stupid. He'll get it. If at that point he still wants out then the easy selling point is for him to help this team win because that is when his value isnthe highest, not because he scores more. Then he can be moved.
As I said earlier, I was calling for him to be traded before most but now is not the right time unless it is too good to pass up. The problem is nobody wants him now. Fine. He's not a bad player. He has more value to us on the team right now. Thibs just has to give Obi minutes and fans won't be pissed off.
If Mitch re-signs it is going to be impossible for
Obi to get more then 15 minutes a night because Randle will not be able to play backup Center .
Randle needs to be traded just to open up minutes for Obi aside from all the other issues on and off the court. It doesnt matter what they can get for him at this point. Just get rid of him and move forward with the youth
Free agent guard Jalen Brunson, armed with a five-year, $106M-plus Mavericks offer, is headed into a meeting with the New York Knicks within the hour, sources tell ESPN.
I was banging the drum to trade him earlier than most and we missed our window. He's not a bad guy at all. He was frustrated last year. I hated his attitude but he does care and wants to be here. Rose, Thibs, Randle, and whoever else need to sit down and have a conversation about what is best for the team and him. Obi needs to play. That's non-negotiable. Thibs needs to find ways to play both m9re consistently. Randle needs to realize he has help and doesn't need to do it all himself. Randle really isn't a selfish player. He is like most though. When things get bad you revert to what you know and what he knows is to dominate the ball. He can't be taking last second shots. He sucks at them. Focus on what he does well and how the team benefits from what he does well. He's not stupid. He'll get it. If at that point he still wants out then the easy selling point is for him to help this team win because that is when his value isnthe highest, not because he scores more. Then he can be moved.
As I said earlier, I was calling for him to be traded before most but now is not the right time unless it is too good to pass up. The problem is nobody wants him now. Fine. He's not a bad player. He has more value to us on the team right now. Thibs just has to give Obi minutes and fans won't be pissed off.
If Mitch re-signs it is going to be impossible for
Obi to get more then 15 minutes a night because Randle will not be able to play backup Center .
Randle needs to be traded just to open up minutes for Obi aside from all the other issues on and off the court. It doesnt matter what they can get for him at this point. Just get rid of him and move forward with the youth
Word from somewhere this offseason was Randle was told his role would decrease. If he plays 32 min a night, that is 16 for Obi and that is not counting time that they can play together hence my comment about sitting Thibs down too. Is it ideal? No but just trading him to trade him doesn't help this team as much as getting more back for Randle. And, as others and myself have pointed out, PF would be a problem behind Obi if Randle was traded. I don't think Cam can be effective there but I could be wrong.
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Fournier and Rose.
Both Grimes and IQ are going to be behind them on the depth chart and are also going to only get 15-20 minutes a night like Toppin. Knicks really need to get rid of 1 of Rose or Fournier to open up minutes for the young players
I get your concern but Grimes and Fournier can play the 3 too so it isn't as clogged as say PF with Randle and Obi.
There is also Reddish who needs playing time at the 3.
There are just not enough minutes to divy up with Brunson/Fournier/Rose/RJ/Grimes/IQ/Reddish and with Thibs and how he favors the vets there is a good chance REddish would not even make the rotation right now, and IQ and Grimes end up with 15 minutes a night .
I mean if you do the math Brunson and RJ play around 35 a night and Fournier plays around 30. That leaves you with 46 minutes between those 3 positions. Rose will get around 20. So 26 minutes to divide between Quickley and Grimes (approximately ). 1 of Rose or Fournier HAS to go in order for both of them to get the minutes they need
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I'd rather have Grimes start a d IQ with the second team and overlap with Brunson. Who is leading the 2nd unit? Rose? McBride?
Rose was the reason we made the playoffs two years ago. I wouldn't sleep on him in that role.
But he isn't reliable. He's always banged up and as we've seen the last two years, Thibs likes consistency with his units. Even when Rose got hurt, he kept IQ with the 2nd unit and had Burks with the starters. Thibs will want IQ with that 2nd unit. That doesn't mean he will get backup minutes. We've seen Thibs stick with IQ at the end of games. IQ doesn't have to be a PG but I owe him an apology. That last month and a half he was clicking. Thibs likes combo guards like that and Rose and IQ can easily play off of each other. IQ can come in early to get time with Brunson as well and we'll see how the end of games are handled. And, as has been mentioned before, Brunson will need another defender next to him. That first unit with Brunson, RJ, and Randle already have enough ball handlers. Grimes is a perfect match for that unit.
I mean if you do the math Brunson and RJ play around 35 a night and Fournier plays around 30. That leaves you with 46 minutes between those 3 positions. Rose will get around 20. So 26 minutes to divide between Quickley and Grimes (approximately ). 1 of Rose or Fournier HAS to go in order for both of them to get the minutes they need
Fournier could easily be S&T in the Brunson deal.
And we could deal Rose pretty easily. Trade him to BOS for a couple of second rounders.
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Fournier and Rose.
Both Grimes and IQ are going to be behind them on the depth chart and are also going to only get 15-20 minutes a night like Toppin. Knicks really need to get rid of 1 of Rose or Fournier to open up minutes for the young players
I get your concern but Grimes and Fournier can play the 3 too so it isn't as clogged as say PF with Randle and Obi.
There is also Reddish who needs playing time at the 3.
There are just not enough minutes to divy up with Brunson/Fournier/Rose/RJ/Grimes/IQ/Reddish and with Thibs and how he favors the vets there is a good chance REddish would not even make the rotation right now, and IQ and Grimes end up with 15 minutes a night .
I mean if you do the math Brunson and RJ play around 35 a night and Fournier plays around 30. That leaves you with 46 minutes between those 3 positions. Rose will get around 20. So 26 minutes to divide between Quickley and Grimes (approximately ). 1 of Rose or Fournier HAS to go in order for both of them to get the minutes they need
Reddish seems like trade bait to me and I wouldn't put him above the others mentioned. Yes, we have a ton of bodies and it will be tough to get these young kids a lot of minutes.
But he isn't reliable. He's always banged up and as we've seen the last two years, Thibs likes consistency with his units. Even when Rose got hurt, he kept IQ with the 2nd unit and had Burks with the starters. Thibs will want IQ with that 2nd unit. That doesn't mean he will get backup minutes. We've seen Thibs stick with IQ at the end of games. IQ doesn't have to be a PG but I owe him an apology. That last month and a half he was clicking. Thibs likes combo guards like that and Rose and IQ can easily play off of each other. IQ can come in early to get time with Brunson as well and we'll see how the end of games are handled. And, as has been mentioned before, Brunson will need another defender next to him. That first unit with Brunson, RJ, and Randle already have enough ball handlers. Grimes is a perfect match for that unit.
You're right. I think your view is going to play out. Thibs likes IQ first of the bench. And having Grimes as the complementary piece to RJ and Brunson does make sense too.
I just hope IQ plays 30 minutes a night.
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I mean if you do the math Brunson and RJ play around 35 a night and Fournier plays around 30. That leaves you with 46 minutes between those 3 positions. Rose will get around 20. So 26 minutes to divide between Quickley and Grimes (approximately ). 1 of Rose or Fournier HAS to go in order for both of them to get the minutes they need
Fournier could easily be S&T in the Brunson deal.
And we could deal Rose pretty easily. Trade him to BOS for a couple of second rounders.
That works for me . Anything to get rid of these Vets. The priority for this front office needs to be figuring out how to get Quickley, Grimes, and Toppin at least 25 minutes a night next season and that will only happen if at least 1 of Rose oor Fournier are traded and Randle
POSITION F
He was projected to C in many draft profiles, it's true. But maybe he could be Obi's backup if we're able to trade Randle.
I actually like Bagley-pains me as a Heels fan to type that- & think he could be good, in the right spot (Ducks).
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I mean if you do the math Brunson and RJ play around 35 a night and Fournier plays around 30. That leaves you with 46 minutes between those 3 positions. Rose will get around 20. So 26 minutes to divide between Quickley and Grimes (approximately ). 1 of Rose or Fournier HAS to go in order for both of them to get the minutes they need
Fournier could easily be S&T in the Brunson deal.
And we could deal Rose pretty easily. Trade him to BOS for a couple of second rounders.
That works for me . Anything to get rid of these Vets. The priority for this front office needs to be figuring out how to get Quickley, Grimes, and Toppin at least 25 minutes a night next season and that will only happen if at least 1 of Rose oor Fournier are traded and Randle
We'd need to sign somebody though. We'd be clearing space and if we're re-signing Mitch, we might as well go over the cap on that deal.
Then have Quickley with either Rose or Fournier /Reddish/Hartenstein and they would need to add a backup 3 or 4 coming off the bench and that team would be a lot of fun to watch and root for
POSITION F
He was projected to C in many draft profiles, it's true. But maybe he could be Obi's backup if we're able to trade Randle.
Possibly but that is a huge liability on offense if he is playing PF imo.
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POSITION F
He was projected to C in many draft profiles, it's true. But maybe he could be Obi's backup if we're able to trade Randle.
Possibly but that is a huge liability on offense if he is playing PF imo.
Yeah, he can't shoot. I love his energy and how active he is on the boards but he's not an NBA PF at this point in time.
If they were to trade Randle, who backs up OBI? All of a sudden they would have a big whole at PF.
I agree that they need to find more minutes for Toppin, but I'm not sure of an easy answer without the team suffering for it unless Tibbs will start using them together more often.
Signing Mitch is your best value play. If he walks, you get nothing and the day looks less bright. You can always trade him down the line.
They won't need to. The NBA ahould be investigating that on their own. It was so blatantly obvious. The good news is that the precedent for this is like a 2nd round pick so worst case scenario is that we lose a 2nd.
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right now if there are no sign and trades? We can go over the cap to sign Robinson but that means something else might be coming as we haven't heard anything other than speculation with Mitch so far.
Signing Mitch is your best value play. If he walks, you get nothing and the day looks less bright. You can always trade him down the line.
Okay, but that had nothing to do with what I was talking about. Lol. I'm saying he hasn't signed yet so it seems more moves are on the way otherwise he would have signed already.
Second being Mitch? Did I miss something?
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Second being Mitch? Did I miss something?
Isaiah Hartenstein
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day for the Knicks. Two good signings.
Second being Mitch? Did I miss something?
Ike Hartenstein, formerly of the Clips.
Backup C, 24 y/o
As I said earlier, I was calling for him to be traded before most but now is not the right time unless it is too good to pass up. The problem is nobody wants him now. Fine. He's not a bad player. He has more value to us on the team right now. Thibs just has to give Obi minutes and fans won't be pissed off.
If we re-sign Mitch and having signed Hartenstein - that doesn't sound like a plan involving Randle and Obi playing together.
& my greatest fear with keeping Randle is that its at Obi's expense because let's face it...Thibs is still the coach & unless he has a come to Jesus moment, he is going to ride 'his guys', if you will, at the expense of the youngins.
Rose-IQ-Obi-Hartenstein (9 man rotation for Thibs)
odd men out - Deuce, Sims, Cam, Taj (if back), a couple of rookies
Not saying it's what I'd do but that's how it's looking to me right now
Rose-IQ-Obi-Hartenstein (9 man rotation for Thibs)
odd men out - Deuce, Sims, Cam, Taj (if back), a couple of rookies
Not saying it's what I'd do but that's how it's looking to me right now
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As I said earlier, I was calling for him to be traded before most but now is not the right time unless it is too good to pass up. The problem is nobody wants him now. Fine. He's not a bad player. He has more value to us on the team right now. Thibs just has to give Obi minutes and fans won't be pissed off.
If Mitch re-signs it is going to be impossible for
Obi to get more then 15 minutes a night because Randle will not be able to play backup Center .
Randle needs to be traded just to open up minutes for Obi aside from all the other issues on and off the court. It doesnt matter what they can get for him at this point. Just get rid of him and move forward with the youth
Free agent guard Jalen Brunson, armed with a five-year, $106M-plus Mavericks offer, is headed into a meeting with the New York Knicks within the hour, sources tell ESPN.
Fat Joe is a source now?
Riley could sell a broken down 1999 Mercury Mountaineer…
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I was banging the drum to trade him earlier than most and we missed our window. He's not a bad guy at all. He was frustrated last year. I hated his attitude but he does care and wants to be here. Rose, Thibs, Randle, and whoever else need to sit down and have a conversation about what is best for the team and him. Obi needs to play. That's non-negotiable. Thibs needs to find ways to play both m9re consistently. Randle needs to realize he has help and doesn't need to do it all himself. Randle really isn't a selfish player. He is like most though. When things get bad you revert to what you know and what he knows is to dominate the ball. He can't be taking last second shots. He sucks at them. Focus on what he does well and how the team benefits from what he does well. He's not stupid. He'll get it. If at that point he still wants out then the easy selling point is for him to help this team win because that is when his value isnthe highest, not because he scores more. Then he can be moved.
As I said earlier, I was calling for him to be traded before most but now is not the right time unless it is too good to pass up. The problem is nobody wants him now. Fine. He's not a bad player. He has more value to us on the team right now. Thibs just has to give Obi minutes and fans won't be pissed off.
If Mitch re-signs it is going to be impossible for
Obi to get more then 15 minutes a night because Randle will not be able to play backup Center .
Randle needs to be traded just to open up minutes for Obi aside from all the other issues on and off the court. It doesnt matter what they can get for him at this point. Just get rid of him and move forward with the youth
Word from somewhere this offseason was Randle was told his role would decrease. If he plays 32 min a night, that is 16 for Obi and that is not counting time that they can play together hence my comment about sitting Thibs down too. Is it ideal? No but just trading him to trade him doesn't help this team as much as getting more back for Randle. And, as others and myself have pointed out, PF would be a problem behind Obi if Randle was traded. I don't think Cam can be effective there but I could be wrong.
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