And we have more assets moving forward than we did at the beginning of the off-season. The team is clearly better. What’s excruciating is waiting for a big deal to come along. Clearly Rose thinks it will eventually. He hasn’t spent assets on a player like Murray. He must be aiming higher. But it is legit crazy that he keeps kicking the can down the road. He must have some guys in mind that will be available. We just have to wait and see if he’s right.
Crazy that he keeps kicking the can down the road? Who has ever been available that he has missed on since he took over? There has been very little movement the past two years.
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Free agent guard Jalen Brunson has agreed to a four-year, $104 million deal with the New York Knicks, his agents Aaron Mintz and Sam Rose of
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tell ESPN. The deal includes a player option on the final season.
And we have more assets moving forward than we did at the beginning of the off-season. The team is clearly better. What’s excruciating is waiting for a big deal to come along. Clearly Rose thinks it will eventually. He hasn’t spent assets on a player like Murray. He must be aiming higher. But it is legit crazy that he keeps kicking the can down the road. He must have some guys in mind that will be available. We just have to wait and see if he’s right.
Crazy that he keeps kicking the can down the road? Who has ever been available that he has missed on since he took over? There has been very little movement the past two years.
Crazy is probably the wrong word. More like I can’t believe it. I give Rose this. He’s fucking patient. Two drafts in a row we kick resources forward into future drafts. Still hoarding assets and waiting to pounce. I may have come across as critical but really impressed. Patience and Knicks GM has never been a thing in my time as a fan.
I guess the key thing is that this is not a quick turnaround. He’s gonna really wait until the right guy(s) come available and until then, it’s steady improvement and keep his powder dry, so to speak. Haven’t seen anything like it.
We finally got a FA we targeted. Love Brunson. Love hartenstein. Let Mitch walk and must must must get rid of Randle. That is the start of something good. On our way!
All of the rumored people to target with our “warchest” of picks are signing extensions and not available. This team still lacks true number 1 and possibly number 2 unless Barrett can prove to be that guy which he hasn’t yet.
Just not sure where or what the move is that can actually have us advance past a play in will come from
And we have more assets moving forward than we did at the beginning of the off-season. The team is clearly better. What’s excruciating is waiting for a big deal to come along. Clearly Rose thinks it will eventually. He hasn’t spent assets on a player like Murray. He must be aiming higher. But it is legit crazy that he keeps kicking the can down the road. He must have some guys in mind that will be available. We just have to wait and see if he’s right.
Crazy that he keeps kicking the can down the road? Who has ever been available that he has missed on since he took over? There has been very little movement the past two years.
Crazy is probably the wrong word. More like I can’t believe it. I give Rose this. He’s fucking patient. Two drafts in a row we kick resources forward into future drafts. Still hoarding assets and waiting to pounce. I may have come across as critical but really impressed. Patience and Knicks GM has never been a thing in my time as a fan.
I guess the key thing is that this is not a quick turnaround. He’s gonna really wait until the right guy(s) come available and until then, it’s steady improvement and keep his powder dry, so to speak. Haven’t seen anything like it.
Knicks GMs have been patient and played the long game before only to be left at the altar TWICE by the game’s best players at that time.
Unless the Knicks draft the next NBA megastar in the next few years, their fate will likely be decided by whoever is the NBA’s next big game changing free agent. So far they are a resounding 0-2 in that department.
Knicks GMs have been patient and played the long game before only to be left at the altar TWICE by the game’s best players at that time.
Knicks GMs have NEVER before been patient and played the long game. They quick purged and hoped big stars would flock to them. And then threw money at third rate players when it didn’t happen.
All of the rumored people to target with our “warchest” of picks are signing extensions and not available. This team still lacks true number 1 and possibly number 2 unless Barrett can prove to be that guy which he hasn’t yet.
Just not sure where or what the move is that can actually have us advance past a play in will come from
Short answer is, it doesn't stop here.
They have questions to answer about the young players on this roster, and they have to figure out how to get them minutes and regular playing time.
There's no play to be made for a star who wants out. Yet. Probably need to stay the course, see what they have. A good season from everyone boosts all trade value and that can remove the minutes logjams and increase the assets.
Awesome. Lack of a true point guard has only been half the Knicks problem. They’ve also generally had few players at other positions who were good passers.
The really good teams have multiple unselfish players that get easy buckets for their teammates.
All of the rumored people to target with our “warchest” of picks are signing extensions and not available. This team still lacks true number 1 and possibly number 2 unless Barrett can prove to be that guy which he hasn’t yet.
Just not sure where or what the move is that can actually have us advance past a play in will come from
All these players have to sign the extension it's the only way to max out your deal, then you ask for a trade.
The goal was to make players stay with their teams but players sign the max and ask for a trade.
Knicks need to be ready for a Mitchell or someone else to ask out or draft a superstar.
Hartenstein brings size as well as a lot of skills that are coveted in a modern big man. He’s one of the best rim protectors in the league, averaging 3.1 blocks per 100 possessions (9th in the NBA). Hartenstein led the entire NBA in Rim dFG% vs Expected. Players shot 15.01% less than expected against him. Opponents shot just 47.5% against him at the rim, the lowest percentage in the league. The 24-year-old journeymen center averaged 8.3 points, 4.9 rebounds, in just shy of 18 minutes per game.
While his numbers won’t jump out to most in an eye-popping fashion, those who watched Hartenstein play last season know that he does have plenty of juice, high motor, and is the definition of impact. In fact he averaged 1.34 defensive miles per 75 minutes (2nd in the NBA) behind only Jacob Poetl. He’s non-stop energy player who is always on the prowl to get his teammate buckets. Hartenstein has an elite 18.5% assist rate that ranks (92nd percentile among all bigs) in 2022. Hartenstein ranks sixth amongst all centers with an 11.2% adjusted assist-to-pass ratio in 2021-22. His 4.7 assists per 36 minutes was league-leading amongst big men. He excels on finding cutters on backdoor passes constantly. Link - ( New Window )
Correct me if I’m wrong. We came out of the draft without our pick but with Brunson and two future firsts (heavily protected) we still have major assets in picks going forward and didn’t have to give up anything for our new point guard.
As much hate as gets tossed around on twitter (which I had to stop looking at) you would think we lost our minds. I’d say we’re a better team today and have a decent outlook for the future. That’s a stark difference from the same old Knicks. Maybe I have Stockholm syndrome but I’m okay with slow and steady getting better for a change. Maybe not a championship team but a team that competes hard is great for this fan.
What you're not understanding is that despite the Knicks being better - the chances are the ceiling will be so limited that it just wasn't worth it.
Bottomline line is that some of us see this team going nowhere in which we're the ones who actually want slow while you want to spend. You ay you want o see slow and steady but signing Brunson and last year giving a pretty big contract to Randle is not evidence of slow and steady.
Instead it's nothing more that "treading water" without any sort of plan to contend.
Awesome. Lack of a true point guard has only been half the Knicks problem. They’ve also generally had few players at other positions who were good passers.
The really good teams have multiple unselfish players that get easy buckets for their teammates.
Correct me if I’m wrong. We came out of the draft without our pick but with Brunson and two future firsts (heavily protected) we still have major assets in picks going forward and didn’t have to give up anything for our new point guard.
As much hate as gets tossed around on twitter (which I had to stop looking at) you would think we lost our minds. I’d say we’re a better team today and have a decent outlook for the future. That’s a stark difference from the same old Knicks. Maybe I have Stockholm syndrome but I’m okay with slow and steady getting better for a change. Maybe not a championship team but a team that competes hard is great for this fan.
What you're not understanding is that despite the Knicks being better - the chances are the ceiling will be so limited that it just wasn't worth it.
Bottomline line is that some of us see this team going nowhere in which we're the ones who actually want slow while you want to spend. You ay you want o see slow and steady but signing Brunson and last year giving a pretty big contract to Randle is not evidence of slow and steady.
Instead it's nothing more that "treading water" without any sort of plan to contend.
I do understand what your saying but just don’t agree. You have to change the perception around the league that your headed in the right direction and not a laughing stock. The salary cap is going up and we have good young players and picks. Everybody wants a magic wand but you have to show your headed in the right direction before a star is going to come to the Knicks.
Correct me if I’m wrong. We came out of the draft without our pick but with Brunson and two future firsts (heavily protected) we still have major assets in picks going forward and didn’t have to give up anything for our new point guard.
As much hate as gets tossed around on twitter (which I had to stop looking at) you would think we lost our minds. I’d say we’re a better team today and have a decent outlook for the future. That’s a stark difference from the same old Knicks. Maybe I have Stockholm syndrome but I’m okay with slow and steady getting better for a change. Maybe not a championship team but a team that competes hard is great for this fan.
What you're not understanding is that despite the Knicks being better - the chances are the ceiling will be so limited that it just wasn't worth it.
Bottomline line is that some of us see this team going nowhere in which we're the ones who actually want slow while you want to spend. You ay you want o see slow and steady but signing Brunson and last year giving a pretty big contract to Randle is not evidence of slow and steady.
Instead it's nothing more that "treading water" without any sort of plan to contend.
I do understand what your saying but just don’t agree. You have to change the perception around the league that your headed in the right direction and not a laughing stock. The salary cap is going up and we have good young players and picks. Everybody wants a magic wand but you have to show your headed in the right direction before a star is going to come to the Knicks.
Yes you are right. And by doing that you don't go after 2nd tier players unless you know you are attracting the super player, or you have the superstar and a 2nd tier player will be a huge help. You build through the draft. You don't go and spend on 2nd tier players like the Knicks do.
The idea is to attract the next Kevin Durant by having many young players available that you can move along with letting him decide who he wants to play with instead of forcing him to play with a 2nd tier player not of his choosing .
I hear many say "Brunson is going to average 21/7" and /or "He is going to attract other players." --- But he isn't attracting the superstar. That is just Knicks fans being homers. You have either have the other superstar or have so much cap space that the superstar can dictate who he wants to play with. Brunson averaging 21/7 means nothing unless he wins. ANd if you think this roster is any more than a playin type of dream I have a very large bridge to sell you.
True. And there are superstars on teams that are not really good.
And yet the teams that have won recently and most that have been to finals have superstars. It is rare without that for getting to finals or winning it.
SO why not follow that path? The ball movement seems to follow the superstar. It's why they are superstars.
The Knicks upgraded point guard and center last night. They're a
Brunson is an ascending player. You can't just group any "overpaid" player and say typical Knicks. Unlike those teams we have a glut of picks which is the opposite of those "overpaid players" teams. I don't even think this is much of an overpay.
We have many trade pieces and can make a move for a star.
Every thread turns into a Knicks fan trauma thread.
For the millionth time, who the fuck did Rose and company miss out on? This hypothetical bullshit is exhausting. We need a star. We need a bit move. Rose is too patient. Blah blah blah. This is like arguing over draft picks. We traded a lottery pick. It's the end of the world.
Put names to these situations. Who were we supposed to bring in? The big names haven't really changed teams in two years. What moves were left on the table where Rose was too patient? What rookie did we pass on that was such a sin?
These multiple threads over the last few days have just been filled with the same same shit from the past 20+ years. Nothing is happening over night. No one move is changing this franchise. There are steps and a plan, even if people don't see it. Others do and you cant just go from sea level to the top of Mount Kilimanjaro in one day. Give it a rest.
I think some like to bitch for the sake of bitching. The Knicks are a better team at 6:15 AM this morning then they were at 6:15 AM yesterday.
We have some of the best,loyal,intelligent well read folks on here...
Its sad that the good stuff gets derailed by absolute garbage
Id like to start a new forum which kicks folks out who do that
I've been accused of being a troll for simply disagreeing with folks...I have seen too many threads just ruined by frankly the lowest denominator....
Thoughts?
Hartenstein brings size as well as a lot of skills that are coveted in a modern big man. He’s one of the best rim protectors in the league, averaging 3.1 blocks per 100 possessions (9th in the NBA). Hartenstein led the entire NBA in Rim dFG% vs Expected. Players shot 15.01% less than expected against him. Opponents shot just 47.5% against him at the rim, the lowest percentage in the league. The 24-year-old journeymen center averaged 8.3 points, 4.9 rebounds, in just shy of 18 minutes per game.
While his numbers won’t jump out to most in an eye-popping fashion, those who watched Hartenstein play last season know that he does have plenty of juice, high motor, and is the definition of impact. In fact he averaged 1.34 defensive miles per 75 minutes (2nd in the NBA) behind only Jacob Poetl. He’s non-stop energy player who is always on the prowl to get his teammate buckets. Hartenstein has an elite 18.5% assist rate that ranks (92nd percentile among all bigs) in 2022. Hartenstein ranks sixth amongst all centers with an 11.2% adjusted assist-to-pass ratio in 2021-22. His 4.7 assists per 36 minutes was league-leading amongst big men. He excels on finding cutters on backdoor passes constantly. Link - ( New Window )
I think some like to bitch for the sake of bitching. The Knicks are a better team at 6:15 AM this morning then they were at 6:15 AM yesterday.
We have some of the best,loyal,intelligent well read folks on here...
Its sad that the good stuff gets derailed by absolute garbage
Id like to start a new forum which kicks folks out who do that
I've been accused of being a troll for simply disagreeing with folks...I have seen too many threads just ruined by frankly the lowest denominator....
Thoughts?
I’ve always felt BBI NYK threads are some of the best threads I’ve seen anywhere - idiots can always be ignored
Apologies if posted already and I missed it but here’s a video of
having 8 firsts in the next few years, young players under 24 and the cap rising go 133 next year according to marks and will keep rising, shows that thr Knicks keep improving on what they have..
Every player on this team hasnt peaked, some you dont know even know what their ceiling is..
I dont know how anyone can say well Knicks hit their ceiling..
earlier. I'm not. I'm happy. This team, with a true lead guard, will be a lot more fun to watch, even if we don't make more moves. Our new backup center is also really fun to watch. We have never had a center who plays like this. There was a lot of BBI excitement for Bamba, but this guy is better, IMO. This is just a really smart mid level basketball move.
The only thing that puts a fun season in jeopardy is 40 mins a night of a sulking Randle. If they don't move him, I really hope they figured out what was up his ass last year.
After sleeping on it, I feel confident that Rose will deliver us a big fish or two some day. I just have no idea who or when. I'm still amazed at his ability to wait when most GMs I know with the pressure he's under would look at all the assets and decide to do *SOMETHING*. If this really was the same ol knicks the GM would have traded them for a broken down all star. This is different.
Yes. Fornier because he can't play defense. Randle because it seems his only play is to back into his defender, turn around and jump shoot, or pass the ball after the clock has run down. Seems Randle's lone positive is rebounding.
Crazy that he keeps kicking the can down the road? Who has ever been available that he has missed on since he took over? There has been very little movement the past two years.
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Free agent guard Jalen Brunson has agreed to a four-year, $104 million deal with the New York Knicks, his agents Aaron Mintz and Sam Rose of
@CAA_Basketball
tell ESPN. The deal includes a player option on the final season.
Sam Rose, huh?....Well then.
Well, Brunson had a good run. It'a all downhill from here.
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And we have more assets moving forward than we did at the beginning of the off-season. The team is clearly better. What’s excruciating is waiting for a big deal to come along. Clearly Rose thinks it will eventually. He hasn’t spent assets on a player like Murray. He must be aiming higher. But it is legit crazy that he keeps kicking the can down the road. He must have some guys in mind that will be available. We just have to wait and see if he’s right.
Crazy that he keeps kicking the can down the road? Who has ever been available that he has missed on since he took over? There has been very little movement the past two years.
Crazy is probably the wrong word. More like I can’t believe it. I give Rose this. He’s fucking patient. Two drafts in a row we kick resources forward into future drafts. Still hoarding assets and waiting to pounce. I may have come across as critical but really impressed. Patience and Knicks GM has never been a thing in my time as a fan.
I guess the key thing is that this is not a quick turnaround. He’s gonna really wait until the right guy(s) come available and until then, it’s steady improvement and keep his powder dry, so to speak. Haven’t seen anything like it.
@BobbyMarks42
Remaining FA resources
$5.4M room ML and bird rights to Mitchell Robinson
Jeremy Cohen
@TheCohencidence
This implies that Brunson's contract is descending and that the Knicks went under the cap for Brunson and Hartenstein. No more cap space.
Additionally, if Brunson's contract is 4/$104M as reported, a S&T involving Brunson and Fournier cannot occur due to salary matching issues
Gotta work on next year… Zion and Simmons? Zion and Deandre?
Make it happen!
All of the rumored people to target with our “warchest” of picks are signing extensions and not available. This team still lacks true number 1 and possibly number 2 unless Barrett can prove to be that guy which he hasn’t yet.
Just not sure where or what the move is that can actually have us advance past a play in will come from
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And we have more assets moving forward than we did at the beginning of the off-season. The team is clearly better. What’s excruciating is waiting for a big deal to come along. Clearly Rose thinks it will eventually. He hasn’t spent assets on a player like Murray. He must be aiming higher. But it is legit crazy that he keeps kicking the can down the road. He must have some guys in mind that will be available. We just have to wait and see if he’s right.
Crazy that he keeps kicking the can down the road? Who has ever been available that he has missed on since he took over? There has been very little movement the past two years.
Crazy is probably the wrong word. More like I can’t believe it. I give Rose this. He’s fucking patient. Two drafts in a row we kick resources forward into future drafts. Still hoarding assets and waiting to pounce. I may have come across as critical but really impressed. Patience and Knicks GM has never been a thing in my time as a fan.
I guess the key thing is that this is not a quick turnaround. He’s gonna really wait until the right guy(s) come available and until then, it’s steady improvement and keep his powder dry, so to speak. Haven’t seen anything like it.
Knicks GMs have been patient and played the long game before only to be left at the altar TWICE by the game’s best players at that time.
Unless the Knicks draft the next NBA megastar in the next few years, their fate will likely be decided by whoever is the NBA’s next big game changing free agent. So far they are a resounding 0-2 in that department.
Knicks GMs have been patient and played the long game before only to be left at the altar TWICE by the game’s best players at that time.
Knicks GMs have NEVER before been patient and played the long game. They quick purged and hoped big stars would flock to them. And then threw money at third rate players when it didn’t happen.
All of the rumored people to target with our “warchest” of picks are signing extensions and not available. This team still lacks true number 1 and possibly number 2 unless Barrett can prove to be that guy which he hasn’t yet.
Just not sure where or what the move is that can actually have us advance past a play in will come from
Short answer is, it doesn't stop here.
They have questions to answer about the young players on this roster, and they have to figure out how to get them minutes and regular playing time.
There's no play to be made for a star who wants out. Yet. Probably need to stay the course, see what they have. A good season from everyone boosts all trade value and that can remove the minutes logjams and increase the assets.
Link - ( New Window )
Awesome. Lack of a true point guard has only been half the Knicks problem. They’ve also generally had few players at other positions who were good passers.
The really good teams have multiple unselfish players that get easy buckets for their teammates.
All of the rumored people to target with our “warchest” of picks are signing extensions and not available. This team still lacks true number 1 and possibly number 2 unless Barrett can prove to be that guy which he hasn’t yet.
Just not sure where or what the move is that can actually have us advance past a play in will come from
All these players have to sign the extension it's the only way to max out your deal, then you ask for a trade.
The goal was to make players stay with their teams but players sign the max and ask for a trade.
Knicks need to be ready for a Mitchell or someone else to ask out or draft a superstar.
While his numbers won’t jump out to most in an eye-popping fashion, those who watched Hartenstein play last season know that he does have plenty of juice, high motor, and is the definition of impact. In fact he averaged 1.34 defensive miles per 75 minutes (2nd in the NBA) behind only Jacob Poetl. He’s non-stop energy player who is always on the prowl to get his teammate buckets. Hartenstein has an elite 18.5% assist rate that ranks (92nd percentile among all bigs) in 2022. Hartenstein ranks sixth amongst all centers with an 11.2% adjusted assist-to-pass ratio in 2021-22. His 4.7 assists per 36 minutes was league-leading amongst big men. He excels on finding cutters on backdoor passes constantly.
Link - ( New Window )
As much hate as gets tossed around on twitter (which I had to stop looking at) you would think we lost our minds. I’d say we’re a better team today and have a decent outlook for the future. That’s a stark difference from the same old Knicks. Maybe I have Stockholm syndrome but I’m okay with slow and steady getting better for a change. Maybe not a championship team but a team that competes hard is great for this fan.
What you're not understanding is that despite the Knicks being better - the chances are the ceiling will be so limited that it just wasn't worth it.
Bottomline line is that some of us see this team going nowhere in which we're the ones who actually want slow while you want to spend. You ay you want o see slow and steady but signing Brunson and last year giving a pretty big contract to Randle is not evidence of slow and steady.
Instead it's nothing more that "treading water" without any sort of plan to contend.
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With some impressive passes Link - ( New Window )
Awesome. Lack of a true point guard has only been half the Knicks problem. They’ve also generally had few players at other positions who were good passers.
The really good teams have multiple unselfish players that get easy buckets for their teammates.
Ummmm - the really good teams have superstars.
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Correct me if I’m wrong. We came out of the draft without our pick but with Brunson and two future firsts (heavily protected) we still have major assets in picks going forward and didn’t have to give up anything for our new point guard.
As much hate as gets tossed around on twitter (which I had to stop looking at) you would think we lost our minds. I’d say we’re a better team today and have a decent outlook for the future. That’s a stark difference from the same old Knicks. Maybe I have Stockholm syndrome but I’m okay with slow and steady getting better for a change. Maybe not a championship team but a team that competes hard is great for this fan.
What you're not understanding is that despite the Knicks being better - the chances are the ceiling will be so limited that it just wasn't worth it.
Bottomline line is that some of us see this team going nowhere in which we're the ones who actually want slow while you want to spend. You ay you want o see slow and steady but signing Brunson and last year giving a pretty big contract to Randle is not evidence of slow and steady.
Instead it's nothing more that "treading water" without any sort of plan to contend.
I do understand what your saying but just don’t agree. You have to change the perception around the league that your headed in the right direction and not a laughing stock. The salary cap is going up and we have good young players and picks. Everybody wants a magic wand but you have to show your headed in the right direction before a star is going to come to the Knicks.
Ummmm - the really good teams have superstars.
True. And there are superstars on teams that are not really good.
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Correct me if I’m wrong. We came out of the draft without our pick but with Brunson and two future firsts (heavily protected) we still have major assets in picks going forward and didn’t have to give up anything for our new point guard.
As much hate as gets tossed around on twitter (which I had to stop looking at) you would think we lost our minds. I’d say we’re a better team today and have a decent outlook for the future. That’s a stark difference from the same old Knicks. Maybe I have Stockholm syndrome but I’m okay with slow and steady getting better for a change. Maybe not a championship team but a team that competes hard is great for this fan.
What you're not understanding is that despite the Knicks being better - the chances are the ceiling will be so limited that it just wasn't worth it.
Bottomline line is that some of us see this team going nowhere in which we're the ones who actually want slow while you want to spend. You ay you want o see slow and steady but signing Brunson and last year giving a pretty big contract to Randle is not evidence of slow and steady.
Instead it's nothing more that "treading water" without any sort of plan to contend.
I do understand what your saying but just don’t agree. You have to change the perception around the league that your headed in the right direction and not a laughing stock. The salary cap is going up and we have good young players and picks. Everybody wants a magic wand but you have to show your headed in the right direction before a star is going to come to the Knicks.
Yes you are right. And by doing that you don't go after 2nd tier players unless you know you are attracting the super player, or you have the superstar and a 2nd tier player will be a huge help. You build through the draft. You don't go and spend on 2nd tier players like the Knicks do.
The idea is to attract the next Kevin Durant by having many young players available that you can move along with letting him decide who he wants to play with instead of forcing him to play with a 2nd tier player not of his choosing .
I hear many say "Brunson is going to average 21/7" and /or "He is going to attract other players." --- But he isn't attracting the superstar. That is just Knicks fans being homers. You have either have the other superstar or have so much cap space that the superstar can dictate who he wants to play with. Brunson averaging 21/7 means nothing unless he wins. ANd if you think this roster is any more than a playin type of dream I have a very large bridge to sell you.
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Ummmm - the really good teams have superstars.
True. And there are superstars on teams that are not really good.
And yet the teams that have won recently and most that have been to finals have superstars. It is rare without that for getting to finals or winning it.
SO why not follow that path? The ball movement seems to follow the superstar. It's why they are superstars.
Which has a ceiling of play-in team.
We have many trade pieces and can make a move for a star.
Put names to these situations. Who were we supposed to bring in? The big names haven't really changed teams in two years. What moves were left on the table where Rose was too patient? What rookie did we pass on that was such a sin?
These multiple threads over the last few days have just been filled with the same same shit from the past 20+ years. Nothing is happening over night. No one move is changing this franchise. There are steps and a plan, even if people don't see it. Others do and you cant just go from sea level to the top of Mount Kilimanjaro in one day. Give it a rest.
We have some of the best,loyal,intelligent well read folks on here...
Its sad that the good stuff gets derailed by absolute garbage
Id like to start a new forum which kicks folks out who do that
I've been accused of being a troll for simply disagreeing with folks...I have seen too many threads just ruined by frankly the lowest denominator....
Thoughts?
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Patrick Salazar
@cronotoriously
110 million dollars means he's the 15th highest paid PG in the NBA per year. It's not some crazy number. It's quite literally average.
Weird seeing someone post your tweets lol.
12-15 range depending on deal structure. If it's front loaded, closer to 12.
Sign of the times
While his numbers won’t jump out to most in an eye-popping fashion, those who watched Hartenstein play last season know that he does have plenty of juice, high motor, and is the definition of impact. In fact he averaged 1.34 defensive miles per 75 minutes (2nd in the NBA) behind only Jacob Poetl. He’s non-stop energy player who is always on the prowl to get his teammate buckets. Hartenstein has an elite 18.5% assist rate that ranks (92nd percentile among all bigs) in 2022. Hartenstein ranks sixth amongst all centers with an 11.2% adjusted assist-to-pass ratio in 2021-22. His 4.7 assists per 36 minutes was league-leading amongst big men. He excels on finding cutters on backdoor passes constantly. Link - ( New Window )
assists and defense - perfect for this team
LOL.
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I think some like to bitch for the sake of bitching. The Knicks are a better team at 6:15 AM this morning then they were at 6:15 AM yesterday.
We have some of the best,loyal,intelligent well read folks on here...
Its sad that the good stuff gets derailed by absolute garbage
Id like to start a new forum which kicks folks out who do that
I've been accused of being a troll for simply disagreeing with folks...I have seen too many threads just ruined by frankly the lowest denominator....
Thoughts?
I’ve always felt BBI NYK threads are some of the best threads I’ve seen anywhere - idiots can always be ignored
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110 million dollars means he's the 15th highest paid PG in the NBA per year. It's not some crazy number. It's quite literally average.
Weird seeing someone post your tweets lol.
12-15 range depending on deal structure. If it's front loaded, closer to 12.
Sign of the times
The cap spike of a few years ago changed the landscape. It'll happen again soon too when stars like Ja Morant sign their max extensions.
Every player on this team hasnt peaked, some you dont know even know what their ceiling is..
I dont know how anyone can say well Knicks hit their ceiling..
Still need minutes for Obi and IQ. There's gotta be more moves coming.
The only thing that puts a fun season in jeopardy is 40 mins a night of a sulking Randle. If they don't move him, I really hope they figured out what was up his ass last year.
After sleeping on it, I feel confident that Rose will deliver us a big fish or two some day. I just have no idea who or when. I'm still amazed at his ability to wait when most GMs I know with the pressure he's under would look at all the assets and decide to do *SOMETHING*. If this really was the same ol knicks the GM would have traded them for a broken down all star. This is different.
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Yes. Fornier because he can't play defense. Randle because it seems his only play is to back into his defender, turn around and jump shoot, or pass the ball after the clock has run down. Seems Randle's lone positive is rebounding.