Conspiracy theories are always fun topics. I like when the unknown turns into the dark side with some posters, and I know you like the action too from that viewpoint.
But while incompetence ran rampart for years in that bldg, this one I can’t subscribe to. But happy to listen to in case someone figures out that Booth and Oswald really didn’t do it.
He seems relatively, pretty grounded. He has said publicly, he knows he was born with the "silver spoon in his mouth". He has worked in personnel in Detroit and I think someplace else (escapes me for the moment). He wants to "earn" his keep, and do the job because of qualifications, not just because of his blood line. More than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, and I suspect he will be able to actively work with Schoen for the team's benefit. That will be a refreshing change.
Oh, and JS will get MORE than 2 years to realize his vision. It will take 2 years to really clean up the salary cap, let alone build the roster.
...Don't forget the Tisches. I give them more credit for all of the positive organizational changes we've seen than I do the Maras. They do won 50 percent of the team.
And to this point (and your points of view in this thread with which I agree), let's not forget Steve Tisch's much reported statement, I think at season's end--am surprised it hasn't been brought up: in essence he said, in utter frustration: how the f... does the franchise still find itself in this position? Even if unspoken, the clear implication was that he had had enough of business as usual. To be clear, he was decorous, but outraged.
I put a poll up in the Giants Twitter Community yesterday which basically asked “significant or not”. 75% felt the move was significant with 91 responses.
Offering my own opinion, we’ve sure sucked since he was elevated to VP of Player Personnel. Even if he didn’t actually do anything this could open up the door to bring a real VP in which would impact the organization if we get someone good. Its a big move to me.
Well hopefully Chris shines in his new role as a personnel consultant.
I am certain you all will be able to tell the difference if and when the personnel decisions start getting better. It will have very little to do with Schoen taking over for Gettleman, and be mostly about this title change...
Conspiracy theories are always fun topics. I like when the unknown turns into the dark side with some posters, and I know you like the action too from that viewpoint.
But while incompetence ran rampart for years in that bldg, this one I can’t subscribe to. But happy to listen to in case someone figures out that Booth and Oswald really didn’t do it.
Kudos to you too bw in dc. I read a lot of posts in the other archived thread I linked, with yours being excellent and uber informative. I really liked this one:
Go look at some of the posts, including you all, put up on this very topic of Chris’ role and title around 2pm in that thread you just linked. Sorry but it’s the exact opposite of what has occurred and actually the title of this thread. Kind of funny really.
Christian and a few others (ahem) hitting the marks though if care to read it a bit more carefully.
Good night, maybe you’ll have something more compelling tomorrow...
Conspiracy theories are always fun topics. I like when the unknown turns into the dark side with some posters, and I know you like the action too from that viewpoint.
But while incompetence ran rampart for years in that bldg, this one I can’t subscribe to. But happy to listen to in case someone figures out that Booth and Oswald really didn’t do it.
:- )
Facts aren't conspiracy theories you mongo.
Maybe list your best facts on this topic. Happy to debate every one of them.
May want to lose the mongo thing as well...not a good look. Just sayin’...
Conspiracy theories are always fun topics. I like when the unknown turns into the dark side with some posters, and I know you like the action too from that viewpoint.
But while incompetence ran rampart for years in that bldg, this one I can’t subscribe to. But happy to listen to in case someone figures out that Booth and Oswald really didn’t do it.
:- )
You and I are always good, Googs.
But I think there was a grassy knoll at Jints Central the last decade and Chris Mara was very likely the other decision maker behind it... ;)
So that dumb comment aside, it is obvious that Giants personnel management has been suspect. No one is saying CM is the sole problem. A lot of people are saying it is likely he is (or was) part of the problem, perhaps a large part of it.
To be fair, a lot of people allege he just had an empty title.
CM has a history of being involved in scouting, in wanting to be a GM, in wanting to have a say/be part of the decision making, of having the ear of his brother John. The only evidence that he gave up that quest is that he has horses.
Didn’t read through the thread given how familiar we are
My opinion is simply this: Though he has some culpability I imagine, he is far from the major reason we have sucked so bad for most of the last 10 years. I am aware of the feelings the “Mara” name has conjured up and continues to conjure up, but I never felt his influence was anything to worry about and certainly not a “franchise killer.”
since I've been reading and posting on BBI. I never thought I would see the day that Chris Mara would be removed from the personnel department. It took 10 years of the Sons of Wellington proving to the NFL that the 1970's were no fluke and that the apple landed at the foot of tree but it's happened and I'm hoping that like 1979 lightning can strike twice in the swamps of Jersey.
I respect BB56's opinions although a lot of times we're on the opposite side of the discussions. On this one we are 100% on the opposite side of the discussion.
IMO John & Chris Mara are W/L franchise killers when they are GMing unchecked like they have been since 2012.
It's also my opinion John Mara had every intention of bringing Joe Judge back and letting him have input into the hiring of the next GM.
It is also my opinion that Steve and possibly Jonathon Tisch stepped in and stepped up and forced the Mara brothers to fire Judge and forced them to recruit the best and the brightest available coaches and GM in the NFL even if they were/are generations younger and had no or very limited ties to the Giants.
This is what Art Stapleton wrote on nj.com 1/10/22:
Quote:
Joe Judge expects to be back for a third season as the head coach of the New York Giants.
That much we know, and it's been reflected in his actions, not just in recent weeks and days, but Monday morning, when news of Dave Gettleman's exit following four losing seasons as general manager was made official with his retirement.
Firings were taking place throughout the league on "Black Monday," including a stunner in Miami with the Dolphins parting ways with Brian Flores.
Yet Judge, despite persistent speculation within the last 24 hours that he'd be dismissed, came to 1925 Giants Drive and kept on doing his job, which began with closing the book on a season that fell way short of expectations with an eye on coming up with a plan to make sure this next one with Big Blue does not follow the same path.
There's more of a feeling inside the organization, because of the way Judge was allowed to operate Monday, that he will be retained. But no final decision has been made, and there are still important discussions to be had that could result in change.
And then Steve Tisch flew to NJ, met with John Mara and then with John Mara and Joe Judge and then John Mara met with Judge alone and then Joe Judge was fired. I don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
So you came to a point that you never thought you would.
since I've been reading and posting on BBI. I never thought I would see the day that Chris Mara would be removed from the personnel department. It took 10 years of the Sons of Wellington proving to the NFL that the 1970's were no fluke and that the apple landed at the foot of tree but it's happened and I'm hoping that like 1979 lightning can strike twice in the swamps of Jersey.
I respect BB56's opinions although a lot of times we're on the opposite side of the discussions. On this one we are 100% on the opposite side of the discussion.
IMO John & Chris Mara are W/L franchise killers when they are GMing unchecked like they have been since 2012.
It's also my opinion John Mara had every intention of bringing Joe Judge back and letting him have input into the hiring of the next GM.
It is also my opinion that Steve and possibly Jonathon Tisch stepped in and stepped up and forced the Mara brothers to fire Judge and forced them to recruit the best and the brightest available coaches and GM in the NFL even if they were/are generations younger and had no or very limited ties to the Giants.
This is what Art Stapleton wrote on nj.com 1/10/22:
Quote:
Joe Judge expects to be back for a third season as the head coach of the New York Giants.
That much we know, and it's been reflected in his actions, not just in recent weeks and days, but Monday morning, when news of Dave Gettleman's exit following four losing seasons as general manager was made official with his retirement.
Firings were taking place throughout the league on "Black Monday," including a stunner in Miami with the Dolphins parting ways with Brian Flores.
Yet Judge, despite persistent speculation within the last 24 hours that he'd be dismissed, came to 1925 Giants Drive and kept on doing his job, which began with closing the book on a season that fell way short of expectations with an eye on coming up with a plan to make sure this next one with Big Blue does not follow the same path.
There's more of a feeling inside the organization, because of the way Judge was allowed to operate Monday, that he will be retained. But no final decision has been made, and there are still important discussions to be had that could result in change.
And then Steve Tisch flew to NJ, met with John Mara and then with John Mara and Joe Judge and then John Mara met with Judge alone and then Joe Judge was fired. I don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
I agree. The sons of Squint have carried on their dad's tradition. I cringed whenever John John made those "Jerrel Jernigan needs to play more comments". No wonder Tom Coughlin refused to shake JM's hand when he was told to "retire". Here are some good posts form an archived thread (linked at the bottom):
since I've been reading and posting on BBI. I never thought I would see the day that Chris Mara would be removed from the personnel department. It took 10 years of the Sons of Wellington proving to the NFL that the 1970's were no fluke and that the apple landed at the foot of tree but it's happened and I'm hoping that like 1979 lightning can strike twice in the swamps of Jersey.
I respect BB56's opinions although a lot of times we're on the opposite side of the discussions. On this one we are 100% on the opposite side of the discussion.
IMO John & Chris Mara are W/L franchise killers when they are GMing unchecked like they have been since 2012.
It's also my opinion John Mara had every intention of bringing Joe Judge back and letting him have input into the hiring of the next GM.
It is also my opinion that Steve and possibly Jonathon Tisch stepped in and stepped up and forced the Mara brothers to fire Judge and forced them to recruit the best and the brightest available coaches and GM in the NFL even if they were/are generations younger and had no or very limited ties to the Giants.
This is what Art Stapleton wrote on nj.com 1/10/22:
Quote:
Joe Judge expects to be back for a third season as the head coach of the New York Giants.
That much we know, and it's been reflected in his actions, not just in recent weeks and days, but Monday morning, when news of Dave Gettleman's exit following four losing seasons as general manager was made official with his retirement.
Firings were taking place throughout the league on "Black Monday," including a stunner in Miami with the Dolphins parting ways with Brian Flores.
Yet Judge, despite persistent speculation within the last 24 hours that he'd be dismissed, came to 1925 Giants Drive and kept on doing his job, which began with closing the book on a season that fell way short of expectations with an eye on coming up with a plan to make sure this next one with Big Blue does not follow the same path.
There's more of a feeling inside the organization, because of the way Judge was allowed to operate Monday, that he will be retained. But no final decision has been made, and there are still important discussions to be had that could result in change.
And then Steve Tisch flew to NJ, met with John Mara and then with John Mara and Joe Judge and then John Mara met with Judge alone and then Joe Judge was fired. I don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
It is not like they went completely off the radar here. Joe Schoen had the backing of Bill Parcells and Brian Daboll has New England/Alabama ties. Even Don "Wink" Martindale was a consideration for Head Coach before the job went to Joe Judge. I think Tisch's presence got Poles and the SF guy a shot at impressing Mara and also got Mara to let the GM decide on Head Coach not the other way around. Had Tisch not been involved the finalist list for GM would probably have been Abrams, one of the Tennessee guys who were formerly in New England, and a token minority.
Here's a link to another archived thread (see bottom) with some interesting discussion going on about this same subject. Here are some interesting snippets from the thread:
Davis Webb was Chris Mara's pick...
...
I agree with arniefez's point about Mara Tech here too...
Miss our BBI Mock Draft threads. Hope all's well :-)
I fully agree about the Tisch factor. They are needed to counterbalance the "Mara Effect."
Doing well and quite busy between work and looking for work as I think I have maxed out at my current position and there are dynamics in play that I don't want to be part of long term.
Miss our BBI Mock Draft threads. Hope all's well :-)
I fully agree about the Tisch factor. They are needed to counterbalance the "Mara Effect."
Doing well and quite busy between work and looking for work as I think I have maxed out at my current position and there are dynamics in play that I don't want to be part of long term.
I hear you my friend. That was me earlier this academic year where I was teaching. I opted out. Some of my colleagues did the same as me as we all saw the writing on the wall. Hang in there and maintain your sanity and mental well-being above all else.
Jerry in DC's post summed things up well in the linked archived thread
The Autopsy, Part I: How it all got so bad, so fast for the New York Giants - goLongTD.com | by Tyler Dunne - Dec 21, 2021 - ( New Window )
Great article. I agree with so much of it that I almost feel they took a bunch of it from my posts over the past several years. Especially like how Chris Mara is barely mentioned amongst all that dysfunction. Almost like it was happening anyway, whether he was in the bldg or not...
after JMara cleaned house - firing Reese and McAdoo - with four games to go.
From NJ.com:
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It's obvious that Mara's brother, Chris, who has been the team's senior vice president of player personnel since 2011, will remain in the front office.
But John Mara said that his brother is not in the running to replace Reese.
"He does not want to be a candidate, I don't think, for the full-time position," John Mara said during an interview with Mike Francesa on WFAN. "His input is certainly going to be something that is very crucial to the final decision."
Just 4.5 short years ago, John was saying Chris did not want to be a GM candidate - not John, btw - and that getting Chris's opinion on the new GM was "very crucial".
Is it such a stretch, then, to see John valuing his SVP/PP's input on the draft and free agency as equally "crucial"?
I'm glad that it seems on cyber-paper that Chris's role has been reduced by a much lighter title. But I really hope the change was driven by Schoen and his realization that Chris wasn't fit for the role...
Yeah, I think John garnering his brothers opinion on hiring a GM
is actually world’s apart from asking him to provide his “valuable” input on player personnel decisions that he leaves up to the GM.
John may respect Chris’ opinion because he’s his brother, but that doesn’t mean the non-family GM has to. Especially since John was pretty clear how all of scouting and personnel are the responsibility of the GM...
RE: Yeah, I think John garnering his brothers opinion on hiring a GM
is actually world’s apart from asking him to provide his “valuable” input on player personnel decisions that he leaves up to the GM.
John may respect Chris’ opinion because he’s his brother, but that doesn’t mean the non-family GM has to. Especially since John was pretty clear how all of scouting and personnel are the responsibility of the GM...
What benefit is there for Chris to give a fair assessment about a GM candidate who wants his personnel role to be as minimal as possible. At least Abrams fell on his sword.
RE: RE: Yeah, I think John garnering his brothers opinion on hiring a GM
is actually world’s apart from asking him to provide his “valuable” input on player personnel decisions that he leaves up to the GM.
John may respect Chris’ opinion because he’s his brother, but that doesn’t mean the non-family GM has to. Especially since John was pretty clear how all of scouting and personnel are the responsibility of the GM...
What benefit is there for Chris to give a fair assessment about a GM candidate who wants his personnel role to be as minimal as possible. At least Abrams fell on his sword.
His personnel role is minimal as possible no matter the GM. Chris can spend as much time or as little time as he wants with it...nobody wants it or needs it anyway...
Conspiracy theories are always fun topics. I like when the unknown turns into the dark side with some posters, and I know you like the action too from that viewpoint.
But while incompetence ran rampart for years in that bldg, this one I can’t subscribe to. But happy to listen to in case someone figures out that Booth and Oswald really didn’t do it.
:- )
Oh, and JS will get MORE than 2 years to realize his vision. It will take 2 years to really clean up the salary cap, let alone build the roster.
And to this point (and your points of view in this thread with which I agree), let's not forget Steve Tisch's much reported statement, I think at season's end--am surprised it hasn't been brought up: in essence he said, in utter frustration: how the f... does the franchise still find itself in this position? Even if unspoken, the clear implication was that he had had enough of business as usual. To be clear, he was decorous, but outraged.
Offering my own opinion, we’ve sure sucked since he was elevated to VP of Player Personnel. Even if he didn’t actually do anything this could open up the door to bring a real VP in which would impact the organization if we get someone good. Its a big move to me.
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Kudos to some very good posts on this topic.
Conspiracy theories are always fun topics. I like when the unknown turns into the dark side with some posters, and I know you like the action too from that viewpoint.
But while incompetence ran rampart for years in that bldg, this one I can’t subscribe to. But happy to listen to in case someone figures out that Booth and Oswald really didn’t do it.
:- )
Facts aren't conspiracy theories you mongo.
Kudos to you too bw in dc. I read a lot of posts in the other archived thread I linked, with yours being excellent and uber informative. I really liked this one:
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Christian and a few others (ahem) hitting the marks though if care to read it a bit more carefully.
Good night, maybe you’ll have something more compelling tomorrow...
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Kudos to some very good posts on this topic.
Conspiracy theories are always fun topics. I like when the unknown turns into the dark side with some posters, and I know you like the action too from that viewpoint.
But while incompetence ran rampart for years in that bldg, this one I can’t subscribe to. But happy to listen to in case someone figures out that Booth and Oswald really didn’t do it.
:- )
Facts aren't conspiracy theories you mongo.
Maybe list your best facts on this topic. Happy to debate every one of them.
May want to lose the mongo thing as well...not a good look. Just sayin’...
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Kudos to some very good posts on this topic.
Conspiracy theories are always fun topics. I like when the unknown turns into the dark side with some posters, and I know you like the action too from that viewpoint.
But while incompetence ran rampart for years in that bldg, this one I can’t subscribe to. But happy to listen to in case someone figures out that Booth and Oswald really didn’t do it.
:- )
You and I are always good, Googs.
But I think there was a grassy knoll at Jints Central the last decade and Chris Mara was very likely the other decision maker behind it... ;)
That son of a bitch...
To be fair, a lot of people allege he just had an empty title.
CM has a history of being involved in scouting, in wanting to be a GM, in wanting to have a say/be part of the decision making, of having the ear of his brother John. The only evidence that he gave up that quest is that he has horses.
My opinion is simply this: Though he has some culpability I imagine, he is far from the major reason we have sucked so bad for most of the last 10 years. I am aware of the feelings the “Mara” name has conjured up and continues to conjure up, but I never felt his influence was anything to worry about and certainly not a “franchise killer.”
I respect BB56's opinions although a lot of times we're on the opposite side of the discussions. On this one we are 100% on the opposite side of the discussion.
IMO John & Chris Mara are W/L franchise killers when they are GMing unchecked like they have been since 2012.
It's also my opinion John Mara had every intention of bringing Joe Judge back and letting him have input into the hiring of the next GM.
It is also my opinion that Steve and possibly Jonathon Tisch stepped in and stepped up and forced the Mara brothers to fire Judge and forced them to recruit the best and the brightest available coaches and GM in the NFL even if they were/are generations younger and had no or very limited ties to the Giants.
This is what Art Stapleton wrote on nj.com 1/10/22:
That much we know, and it's been reflected in his actions, not just in recent weeks and days, but Monday morning, when news of Dave Gettleman's exit following four losing seasons as general manager was made official with his retirement.
Firings were taking place throughout the league on "Black Monday," including a stunner in Miami with the Dolphins parting ways with Brian Flores.
Yet Judge, despite persistent speculation within the last 24 hours that he'd be dismissed, came to 1925 Giants Drive and kept on doing his job, which began with closing the book on a season that fell way short of expectations with an eye on coming up with a plan to make sure this next one with Big Blue does not follow the same path.
There's more of a feeling inside the organization, because of the way Judge was allowed to operate Monday, that he will be retained. But no final decision has been made, and there are still important discussions to be had that could result in change.
And then Steve Tisch flew to NJ, met with John Mara and then with John Mara and Joe Judge and then John Mara met with Judge alone and then Joe Judge was fired. I don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
No need for conspiracy theories?
Or are more coming. .
I respect BB56's opinions although a lot of times we're on the opposite side of the discussions. On this one we are 100% on the opposite side of the discussion.
IMO John & Chris Mara are W/L franchise killers when they are GMing unchecked like they have been since 2012.
It's also my opinion John Mara had every intention of bringing Joe Judge back and letting him have input into the hiring of the next GM.
It is also my opinion that Steve and possibly Jonathon Tisch stepped in and stepped up and forced the Mara brothers to fire Judge and forced them to recruit the best and the brightest available coaches and GM in the NFL even if they were/are generations younger and had no or very limited ties to the Giants.
This is what Art Stapleton wrote on nj.com 1/10/22:
Quote:
Joe Judge expects to be back for a third season as the head coach of the New York Giants.
That much we know, and it's been reflected in his actions, not just in recent weeks and days, but Monday morning, when news of Dave Gettleman's exit following four losing seasons as general manager was made official with his retirement.
Firings were taking place throughout the league on "Black Monday," including a stunner in Miami with the Dolphins parting ways with Brian Flores.
Yet Judge, despite persistent speculation within the last 24 hours that he'd be dismissed, came to 1925 Giants Drive and kept on doing his job, which began with closing the book on a season that fell way short of expectations with an eye on coming up with a plan to make sure this next one with Big Blue does not follow the same path.
There's more of a feeling inside the organization, because of the way Judge was allowed to operate Monday, that he will be retained. But no final decision has been made, and there are still important discussions to be had that could result in change.
And then Steve Tisch flew to NJ, met with John Mara and then with John Mara and Joe Judge and then John Mara met with Judge alone and then Joe Judge was fired. I don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
I agree. The sons of Squint have carried on their dad's tradition. I cringed whenever John John made those "Jerrel Jernigan needs to play more comments". No wonder Tom Coughlin refused to shake JM's hand when he was told to "retire". Here are some good posts form an archived thread (linked at the bottom):
Here's another...
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Archived Thread Chad Forbes calls out CHRIS MARA as the problem - FStubbs: 11/23/2021 - 1:24 pm - ( New Window )
I respect BB56's opinions although a lot of times we're on the opposite side of the discussions. On this one we are 100% on the opposite side of the discussion.
IMO John & Chris Mara are W/L franchise killers when they are GMing unchecked like they have been since 2012.
It's also my opinion John Mara had every intention of bringing Joe Judge back and letting him have input into the hiring of the next GM.
It is also my opinion that Steve and possibly Jonathon Tisch stepped in and stepped up and forced the Mara brothers to fire Judge and forced them to recruit the best and the brightest available coaches and GM in the NFL even if they were/are generations younger and had no or very limited ties to the Giants.
This is what Art Stapleton wrote on nj.com 1/10/22:
Quote:
Joe Judge expects to be back for a third season as the head coach of the New York Giants.
That much we know, and it's been reflected in his actions, not just in recent weeks and days, but Monday morning, when news of Dave Gettleman's exit following four losing seasons as general manager was made official with his retirement.
Firings were taking place throughout the league on "Black Monday," including a stunner in Miami with the Dolphins parting ways with Brian Flores.
Yet Judge, despite persistent speculation within the last 24 hours that he'd be dismissed, came to 1925 Giants Drive and kept on doing his job, which began with closing the book on a season that fell way short of expectations with an eye on coming up with a plan to make sure this next one with Big Blue does not follow the same path.
There's more of a feeling inside the organization, because of the way Judge was allowed to operate Monday, that he will be retained. But no final decision has been made, and there are still important discussions to be had that could result in change.
And then Steve Tisch flew to NJ, met with John Mara and then with John Mara and Joe Judge and then John Mara met with Judge alone and then Joe Judge was fired. I don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
It is not like they went completely off the radar here. Joe Schoen had the backing of Bill Parcells and Brian Daboll has New England/Alabama ties. Even Don "Wink" Martindale was a consideration for Head Coach before the job went to Joe Judge. I think Tisch's presence got Poles and the SF guy a shot at impressing Mara and also got Mara to let the GM decide on Head Coach not the other way around. Had Tisch not been involved the finalist list for GM would probably have been Abrams, one of the Tennessee guys who were formerly in New England, and a token minority.
I fully agree about the Tisch factor. They are needed to counterbalance the "Mara Effect."
Davis Webb was Chris Mara's pick...
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I agree with arniefez's point about Mara Tech here too...
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Mara Tech run by committee...
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CM and Russell Okung in Free Agency...
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I fully agree about the Tisch factor. They are needed to counterbalance the "Mara Effect."
Doing well and quite busy between work and looking for work as I think I have maxed out at my current position and there are dynamics in play that I don't want to be part of long term.
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Miss our BBI Mock Draft threads. Hope all's well :-)
I fully agree about the Tisch factor. They are needed to counterbalance the "Mara Effect."
Doing well and quite busy between work and looking for work as I think I have maxed out at my current position and there are dynamics in play that I don't want to be part of long term.
I hear you my friend. That was me earlier this academic year where I was teaching. I opted out. Some of my colleagues did the same as me as we all saw the writing on the wall. Hang in there and maintain your sanity and mental well-being above all else.
(Archived Thread) Chris Canty and Chris Mara - Breaker: 12/7/2021 - 8:03 am - ( New Window )
The Autopsy, Part I: How it all got so bad, so fast for the New York Giants - goLongTD.com | by Tyler Dunne - Dec 21, 2021 - ( New Window )
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Great article. I agree with so much of it that I almost feel they took a bunch of it from my posts over the past several years. Especially like how Chris Mara is barely mentioned amongst all that dysfunction. Almost like it was happening anyway, whether he was in the bldg or not...
:- )
From NJ.com:
But John Mara said that his brother is not in the running to replace Reese.
"He does not want to be a candidate, I don't think, for the full-time position," John Mara said during an interview with Mike Francesa on WFAN. "His input is certainly going to be something that is very crucial to the final decision."
Just 4.5 short years ago, John was saying Chris did not want to be a GM candidate - not John, btw - and that getting Chris's opinion on the new GM was "very crucial".
Is it such a stretch, then, to see John valuing his SVP/PP's input on the draft and free agency as equally "crucial"?
I'm glad that it seems on cyber-paper that Chris's role has been reduced by a much lighter title. But I really hope the change was driven by Schoen and his realization that Chris wasn't fit for the role...
John may respect Chris’ opinion because he’s his brother, but that doesn’t mean the non-family GM has to. Especially since John was pretty clear how all of scouting and personnel are the responsibility of the GM...
John may respect Chris’ opinion because he’s his brother, but that doesn’t mean the non-family GM has to. Especially since John was pretty clear how all of scouting and personnel are the responsibility of the GM...
What benefit is there for Chris to give a fair assessment about a GM candidate who wants his personnel role to be as minimal as possible. At least Abrams fell on his sword.
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is actually world’s apart from asking him to provide his “valuable” input on player personnel decisions that he leaves up to the GM.
John may respect Chris’ opinion because he’s his brother, but that doesn’t mean the non-family GM has to. Especially since John was pretty clear how all of scouting and personnel are the responsibility of the GM...
What benefit is there for Chris to give a fair assessment about a GM candidate who wants his personnel role to be as minimal as possible. At least Abrams fell on his sword.
His personnel role is minimal as possible no matter the GM. Chris can spend as much time or as little time as he wants with it...nobody wants it or needs it anyway...