Released 30 years ago today. One of my favorite sports movies (mainly b/c of Tom Hanks).
I've always wanted to tell someone that they look like a penis with a little hat on, but unfortunately I've never had the right opportunity.
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If I'm remembering correctly that kind of gives an example of her and Kit's relationship. She loved her and wanted her to have her chance, but wouldn't do anything not to bury her when playing against her.
If someone has access to watch it, I'd be interested in this scene. I think it's a tell from Marshall that Dottie doesn't think one sibling, even older, should just let the other one win, but have to earn it. Which of course Kit did in the end.
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wasn't there a scene when Dottie was older and her grand kids were playing basketball and she told the older one to remember that his younger brother is littler and to let him get some shots, but then pulls him aside and whispers to him to "kill him".
If I'm remembering correctly that kind of gives an example of her and Kit's relationship. She loved her and wanted her to have her chance, but wouldn't do anything not to bury her when playing against her.
If someone has access to watch it, I'd be interested in this scene. I think it's a tell from Marshall that Dottie doesn't think one sibling, even older, should just let the other one win, but have to earn it. Which of course Kit did in the end.
I agree with the analogy but think you might have it flipped. To be clear, older Dottie does tell the older brother to give his younger brother a chance, at some shots; then she pulls the younger one aside and says, now kill him (the older). So, even if the couplet is ambiguous, it certainly admits of Dottie dropping the ball in the last scene in the WS to give Kit a leg up, in life, which it clearly did, with Kit the hero signing autographs as they exit their dressing rooms.
Also of note, for those unaware.. Amazon will soon be releasing a series based on the movie (new characters, new storylines)
It comes out in August.
D'Arcy Carden (aka Janis) is part of the cast!
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Kit’s life took after that and Dottie’s never got any worse. Win-win.
It’s a good flick,.the whole missing the cutoff man dialogue is superb...
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wasn't there a scene when Dottie was older and her grand kids were playing basketball and she told the older one to remember that his younger brother is littler and to let him get some shots, but then pulls him aside and whispers to him to "kill him".
If I'm remembering correctly that kind of gives an example of her and Kit's relationship. She loved her and wanted her to have her chance, but wouldn't do anything not to bury her when playing against her.
If someone has access to watch it, I'd be interested in this scene. I think it's a tell from Marshall that Dottie doesn't think one sibling, even older, should just let the other one win, but have to earn it. Which of course Kit did in the end.
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that the actress was Gina Davis with old person make up on. But it turns out that is a totally different woman.
I also thought they did a good job with the Kit elderly woman actress.
Wait really?!?!? I thought that was Davis.
My understanding is that Davis dubbed in the dialogue for Older Dottie with her own voice. All the more impressive because you can't even tell. It's perfectly synched.
Also one of the better sports movie debates of all time - did Dottie drop the ball at the end on purpose (I still say no).
That’s a debate? It was clear she did it intentionally. It is eluded to multiple times after the fact. Like when Dottie says “Look at how happy she is”. She definitely did it on purpose. She also talked about how the league meant so much more to Kit then it did for her. She was helping out her kid sister.
As somebody else said, she told Betty Spaghetti to pitch to Kit's weakness, so she was clearly wanting to win. Nothing happened between that moment and Kit rounding third that justifies a decision to drop the ball on purpose.
The game definitely meant more to Kit than it did to Dottie, but it meant enough to Dottie that she came back for Game 7, and all to intentionally throw the game with one out to go?
Betty Spaghetti left the league after learning her husband was killed in action. It’s the Beauty Queen that was pitching I believe.
And the reason she told her to throw it high was because she felt her sister knew she would do that which is why she did it. It was a tell to her sister when she stopped the game to talk to the pitcher. And Kit then over came her inability not to be able to hit that pitch because she knew it was coming. And Dottie let her finish off the moment with the win.
That’s how I always viewed it. And even watching it the first time I remember thinking she’s gonna let her win if she gets the chance.
And the reason she told her to throw it high was because she felt her sister knew she would do that which is why she did it. It was a tell to her sister when she stopped the game to talk to the pitcher. And Kit then over came her inability not to be able to hit that pitch because she knew it was coming. And Dottie let her finish off the moment with the win.
That’s how I always viewed it. And even watching it the first time I remember thinking she’s gonna let her win if she gets the chance.
Geena Davis was asked about this recently (not for the first time). She says she knows whether Dottie dropped it on purpose, but she’s taking it to her grave. Penny Marshall has already taken the answer to her grave.
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wasn't there a scene when Dottie was older and her grand kids were playing basketball and she told the older one to remember that his younger brother is littler and to let him get some shots, but then pulls him aside and whispers to him to "kill him".
If I'm remembering correctly that kind of gives an example of her and Kit's relationship. She loved her and wanted her to have her chance, but wouldn't do anything not to bury her when playing against her.
If someone has access to watch it, I'd be interested in this scene. I think it's a tell from Marshall that Dottie doesn't think one sibling, even older, should just let the other one win, but have to earn it. Which of course Kit did in the end.
I agree with the analogy but think you might have it flipped. To be clear, older Dottie does tell the older brother to give his younger brother a chance, at some shots; then she pulls the younger one aside and says, now kill him (the older). So, even if the couplet is ambiguous, it certainly admits of Dottie dropping the ball in the last scene in the WS to give Kit a leg up, in life, which it clearly did, with Kit the hero signing autographs as they exit their dressing rooms.
Yeah the more I think about I think you’re right, she says it to the younger one. I’m still not convinced she threw the game, but I believe you are remembering this part correctly
Lynn Cartwright had a long career in movies and TV. She was married (for 50 years) to legendary Hollywood heavy, Leo Gordon.
2) They made such a big deal about Marla Hooch's looks (or lack thereof), but nothing about Rosie O'Donnell?
3) I found Rosie O'Donnell's character annoying right from the start.
4) Prior to this thread, I had no idea Betty Spaghetti was Penny Marshall's daughter. So, obviously, I also didn't know that Rob Reiner adopted her when he was married to Penny Marshall...or at least made enough of an impression for her to take his name. I don't even think I knew she had children.
2) They made such a big deal about Marla Hooch's looks (or lack thereof), but nothing about Rosie O'Donnell?
3) I found Rosie O'Donnell's character annoying right from the start.
4) Prior to this thread, I had no idea Betty Spaghetti was Penny Marshall's daughter. So, obviously, I also didn't know that Rob Reiner adopted her when he was married to Penny Marshall...or at least made enough of an impression for her to take his name. I don't even think I knew she had children.
Regarding Point 1 I think it is to show how Dottie changed as a result of her time in AAGPBL. Part of the relationship dynamic was that everything was Dottie first and Kit was an afterthought. Her growth as a person was realizing that sometimes other people needed a chance to shine.
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1) I just watched the first 40 minutes or so on Sunday night. So, I saw the seen with the grandsons. Why give the older brother the advice to let the younger brother shoot and then tell the younger brother to kill him? It's contradictory and makes less sense coming from the older sibling in a bitter rivalry.
2) They made such a big deal about Marla Hooch's looks (or lack thereof), but nothing about Rosie O'Donnell?
3) I found Rosie O'Donnell's character annoying right from the start.
4) Prior to this thread, I had no idea Betty Spaghetti was Penny Marshall's daughter. So, obviously, I also didn't know that Rob Reiner adopted her when he was married to Penny Marshall...or at least made enough of an impression for her to take his name. I don't even think I knew she had children.
Regarding Point 1 I think it is to show how Dottie changed as a result of her time in AAGPBL. Part of the relationship dynamic was that everything was Dottie first and Kit was an afterthought. Her growth as a person was realizing that sometimes other people needed a chance to shine.
Setting all that aside, if we want to accept Dottie has changed, I still find that scene contradictory. If you tell the older kid to let the younger kid shoot and then tell the younger kid to kill him, with that gusto, you then are likely setting up the older kid for humiliation. It just didn't jive with me the way she did it. But, likely I'm overthinking this and it's just to boost the younger kid's confidence. I just hope the unseen next scene if this were real didn't include the younger kid then gloating on the older sibling's face.
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Because I don't know how much of the movie you have seen, I didn't want to get into events that take place later on in the movie. No matter how well Kit does she is always being measured up to Dottie and/or drawing the short end of the stick/having to make compromises. If you have seen the whole movie I will elaborate more, but just didn't want to spoil things for you.
I've seen the movie. I know the deal and it sucks for Kit. But, Kit is also her own worst enemy. She is a sore loser and constantly makes that comparison herself.
I get it that Kit is a spoiled brat, but she is not wrong that Dottie asks to be traded and they trade Kit instead. Here she is in the league and one of the better pitchers, but heaven forbid someone inconvenience Dottie so Kit has to immediately pack and join an entirely new set of girls.
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Because I don't know how much of the movie you have seen, I didn't want to get into events that take place later on in the movie. No matter how well Kit does she is always being measured up to Dottie and/or drawing the short end of the stick/having to make compromises. If you have seen the whole movie I will elaborate more, but just didn't want to spoil things for you.
I've seen the movie. I know the deal and it sucks for Kit. But, Kit is also her own worst enemy. She is a sore loser and constantly makes that comparison herself.
I get it that Kit is a spoiled brat, but she is not wrong that Dottie asks to be traded and they trade Kit instead. Here she is in the league and one of the better pitchers, but heaven forbid someone inconvenience Dottie so Kit has to immediately pack and join an entirely new set of girls.
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Because I don't know how much of the movie you have seen, I didn't want to get into events that take place later on in the movie. No matter how well Kit does she is always being measured up to Dottie and/or drawing the short end of the stick/having to make compromises. If you have seen the whole movie I will elaborate more, but just didn't want to spoil things for you.
I've seen the movie. I know the deal and it sucks for Kit. But, Kit is also her own worst enemy. She is a sore loser and constantly makes that comparison herself.
I get it that Kit is a spoiled brat, but she is not wrong that Dottie asks to be traded and they trade Kit instead. Here she is in the league and one of the better pitchers, but heaven forbid someone inconvenience Dottie so Kit has to immediately pack and join an entirely new set of girls.
IF you were running the team, would you have traded Dottie or Kit?
This was not a trade negotiation between equal participants. Teams were set by the league. If Dottie got traded spoiled brat Kit would probably have blamed Dottie for making Kit look like the bad one.
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Because I don't know how much of the movie you have seen, I didn't want to get into events that take place later on in the movie. No matter how well Kit does she is always being measured up to Dottie and/or drawing the short end of the stick/having to make compromises. If you have seen the whole movie I will elaborate more, but just didn't want to spoil things for you.
I've seen the movie. I know the deal and it sucks for Kit. But, Kit is also her own worst enemy. She is a sore loser and constantly makes that comparison herself.
I get it that Kit is a spoiled brat, but she is not wrong that Dottie asks to be traded and they trade Kit instead. Here she is in the league and one of the better pitchers, but heaven forbid someone inconvenience Dottie so Kit has to immediately pack and join an entirely new set of girls.
IF you were running the team, would you have traded Dottie or Kit?
This was not a trade negotiation between equal participants. Teams were set by the league. If Dottie got traded spoiled brat Kit would probably have blamed Dottie for making Kit look like the bad one.
Good for Dottie. That is what a big sister should be doing...
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“Babaloo and I never for a moment thought that Dottie dropped the ball on purpose. We never thought that, but after enough people said it (laughs), we said, “Maybe we don’t know our own character as well as we thought we did. Maybe we’re wrong.”
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Well if the writers never entertained the thought she dropped it on purpose that kind of settles it.
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Ganz, the screenwriter, says it was never in his or his co-writer’s mind that Dottie dropped it on purpose. Also mentions proposed prequel following Jimmy Dugan that the studio wouldn’t bite on.
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“Babaloo and I never for a moment thought that Dottie dropped the ball on purpose. We never thought that, but after enough people said it (laughs), we said, “Maybe we don’t know our own character as well as we thought we did. Maybe we’re wrong.”
A League of Their Own Hits 30 - ( New Window )
Well if the writers never entertained the thought she dropped it on purpose that kind of settles it.
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“Babaloo and I never for a moment thought that Dottie dropped the ball on purpose. We never thought that, but after enough people said it (laughs), we said, “Maybe we don’t know our own character as well as we thought we did. Maybe we’re wrong.”
A League of Their Own Hits 30 - ( New Window )
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Ganz, the screenwriter, says it was never in his or his co-writer’s mind that Dottie dropped it on purpose. Also mentions proposed prequel following Jimmy Dugan that the studio wouldn’t bite on.
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“Babaloo and I never for a moment thought that Dottie dropped the ball on purpose. We never thought that, but after enough people said it (laughs), we said, “Maybe we don’t know our own character as well as we thought we did. Maybe we’re wrong.”
A League of Their Own Hits 30 - ( New Window )
Well if the writers never entertained the thought she dropped it on purpose that kind of settles it.
Though you could argue that the movie is not some sort of mystery which must have its innate meaning, but it instead can be interpreted through the human activity of debate and consensus.
Reminds me of that South Park episode. Like how people overanalyze Catcher in the Rye. Did JD Salinger meant for all these different nuances and alternative interpretations or was it meant to be straightforward and taken as face value? And perhaps the better question is does it even matter what the writer intended? As Freud would say, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...but he's not the final authority to determine if it is or not.