Brah.. the threads tend to get verbose and off track
I am only trying to keep the discussion relevant to what I am interested in..
You can ignore..I promise not to be upset if you do...
Perhaps this was spoken to in a past thread...but I dont want to scroll thru all that to find it..OK?
In the game threads most were saying no way he gets 15 million, he is not worth that, etc. Etc.
But here we are.
Anyone feel the Knicks were bidding against themselves on Mitch?
Has it been definitively reported whether it is all guaranteed? I will feel much better if the last year is a team option like most of last year FA deals ended up being.
RE: RE: How many Knicks threads are we going to get
Brah.. the threads tend to get verbose and off track
I am only trying to keep the discussion relevant to what I am interested in..
You can ignore..I promise not to be upset if you do...
Perhaps this was spoken to in a past thread...but I dont want to scroll thru all that to find it..OK?
The point is you started a thread about RJ being traded for Mitchell. That was discussed in the prior thread. This thread is about Robinson's salary, which was also discussed in the other thread. You aren't starting new threads about new topics or breaking news. You have a thought pop in your head and start a thread about things already discussed. Feel free to start more threads. That's your call. It just makes me laugh based on your reasoning for starting a new thread.
It’s a little surprising given how chronically bad the team has played… a condition that has motivated numerous star players to stay as far away as possible from this franchise, which is a pretty good trick considering how NYC/Manhattan/MSG we’re supposed to be a lure for players looking for the bright lights of a high profile basketball market.
in terms of AAV, that's not terrible I guess. I think the moral of this story is that NBA contracts are out of control. I hope that bubble bursts.
Why should it burst?
There are only 15 guys on a team, smallest among major sports, yet are near the top in TV revenue, gate receipts, and merchandise sales. Are the players not entitled to an equitable share of league revenues? In a league that has a maximum salary for individual players, the remaining money has to go somewhere. The middle class of the NBA is overpaid because the top end of the league is comparatively underpaid.
The pay scale for NBA veteran players will always be out of whack because of the max salary. Want to fix it? Get rid of the max salary and let superstars command their open market value with only the team salary cap and luxury tax to restrict salaries.
Im waiting for any sport to not gouge the fans. Do players really need to make $50M a year playing freaking basketball while a family of 4 needs to spend 1k to go to a game? Really hoping this bubble burst, maybe when the recession hits.
Yeah, let's just give that money to the owners instead
They're not spoiled at all and are the real reason we tune in.
Good grief, is there any sports cliche that is more played out than "athletes make too much money"?
It's laughably out of touch at best and actively nasty at worst to characterize individuals trying to maximize their salaries within an agreed-upon framework as spoiled malcontents. How would you feel if someone said that about you at your next job interview or salary negotiation? Oh, do you really need that much money? Can't you live on less? Why are you so greedy? It's nonsense.
Per year for 5 years! Yeah lets compare it to what I make. You are out of touch if you think that's normal. I do NOT blame the players at all. They should get what they can get. I look forward to the professional sports bubble bursting.
Was that if you were in a position to be paid millions of dollars for fair work, how would you react to people calling you greedy?
These aren't shithead CEOs who make their millions of the backs of underpaid laborers and through the manipulation of the system. Save your ire for people are make the world worse to earn their fortunes, not professional athletes.
I will take that into consideration when forming my opinions. For now, I will stick with it, I think the majority of professional athletes ae spoiled and entitled and I don't think any sport cares about the fans and I hope the bubble burst and none of these guys(players and owners) are making silly money and i will be able to afford going to games. Thanks.
Do I know you? I don't remember your handle at all.
That being said, its really not contradicting. I don't blame them for getting what they can get. However, when they still cry and complain and force themselves out of situations, they are spoiled and entitled. Get it?
Im waiting for any sport to not gouge the fans. Do players really need to make $50M a year playing freaking basketball while a family of 4 needs to spend 1k to go to a game? Really hoping this bubble burst, maybe when the recession hits.
If teams charged less for tickets, they would just be scooped up in season ticket packages and sold on the secondary market for an arbitrage margin that brings them back to their proper market value (which is elevated because the arenas can only hold a limited amount of people, so the demand far outpaces supply).
The fact that there even is a secondary market for tickets indicates that not only are teams not gouging fans, but that in fact, they're actually leaving revenue opportunity on the table (which is where the resale profit margin comes from).
Should it be the TV deals that provide less revenue to the league? I'm not sure how that would save any money for fans, though, since it's far from a straight line between the broadcast rights contracts and anything that directly impacts consumer costs. Maybe the packaged goods manufacturers who advertise on NBA broadcasts might charge less for their items if they weren't carrying a large enough media budget to be able to afford live sports broadcast TV ad flights, but that feels like a reach.
So, given that the revenues that teams (and the league itself) are not even maximized within their current structure, where should the money go? And how do you propose this bubble should burst if it were not due to a natural shift in the demand side of the equation?
Would you prefer for there to be fewer sports fans? Because that's basically the only way the bubble bursts in this scenario.
RE: RE: RE: How many Knicks threads are we going to get
Brah.. the threads tend to get verbose and off track
I am only trying to keep the discussion relevant to what I am interested in..
You can ignore..I promise not to be upset if you do...
Perhaps this was spoken to in a past thread...but I dont want to scroll thru all that to find it..OK?
The point is you started a thread about RJ being traded for Mitchell. That was discussed in the prior thread. This thread is about Robinson's salary, which was also discussed in the other thread. You aren't starting new threads about new topics or breaking news. You have a thought pop in your head and start a thread about things already discussed. Feel free to start more threads. That's your call. It just makes me laugh based on your reasoning for starting a new thread.
For the record I like your posts and as a new comer I listen to you.
But my last comment to you applies
I dont want to sift thru 10000 posts of people sidetracking shit and arguing over the dumbest stuff
If I look on the board and I dont see what I am interested in I will post it
If it is politely rejected I delete it
No worries
Im waiting for any sport to not gouge the fans. Do players really need to make $50M a year playing freaking basketball while a family of 4 needs to spend 1k to go to a game? Really hoping this bubble burst, maybe when the recession hits.
If teams charged less for tickets, they would just be scooped up in season ticket packages and sold on the secondary market for an arbitrage margin that brings them back to their proper market value (which is elevated because the arenas can only hold a limited amount of people, so the demand far outpaces supply).
The fact that there even is a secondary market for tickets indicates that not only are teams not gouging fans, but that in fact, they're actually leaving revenue opportunity on the table (which is where the resale profit margin comes from).
Should it be the TV deals that provide less revenue to the league? I'm not sure how that would save any money for fans, though, since it's far from a straight line between the broadcast rights contracts and anything that directly impacts consumer costs. Maybe the packaged goods manufacturers who advertise on NBA broadcasts might charge less for their items if they weren't carrying a large enough media budget to be able to afford live sports broadcast TV ad flights, but that feels like a reach.
So, given that the revenues that teams (and the league itself) are not even maximized within their current structure, where should the money go? And how do you propose this bubble should burst if it were not due to a natural shift in the demand side of the equation?
Would you prefer for there to be fewer sports fans? Because that's basically the only way the bubble bursts in this scenario.
NFL off-season.
Besides, we are NY sports fans. We are all acculturated to punishing ourselves....
Brah.. the threads tend to get verbose and off track
I am only trying to keep the discussion relevant to what I am interested in..
You can ignore..I promise not to be upset if you do...
Perhaps this was spoken to in a past thread...but I dont want to scroll thru all that to find it..OK?
But here we are.
Anyone feel the Knicks were bidding against themselves on Mitch?
Quote:
?
Brah.. the threads tend to get verbose and off track
I am only trying to keep the discussion relevant to what I am interested in..
You can ignore..I promise not to be upset if you do...
Perhaps this was spoken to in a past thread...but I dont want to scroll thru all that to find it..OK?
The point is you started a thread about RJ being traded for Mitchell. That was discussed in the prior thread. This thread is about Robinson's salary, which was also discussed in the other thread. You aren't starting new threads about new topics or breaking news. You have a thought pop in your head and start a thread about things already discussed. Feel free to start more threads. That's your call. It just makes me laugh based on your reasoning for starting a new thread.
It’s a little surprising given how chronically bad the team has played… a condition that has motivated numerous star players to stay as far away as possible from this franchise, which is a pretty good trick considering how NYC/Manhattan/MSG we’re supposed to be a lure for players looking for the bright lights of a high profile basketball market.
Guess not.
But here’s to more Knicks threads in the future.
Why should it burst?
There are only 15 guys on a team, smallest among major sports, yet are near the top in TV revenue, gate receipts, and merchandise sales. Are the players not entitled to an equitable share of league revenues? In a league that has a maximum salary for individual players, the remaining money has to go somewhere. The middle class of the NBA is overpaid because the top end of the league is comparatively underpaid.
The pay scale for NBA veteran players will always be out of whack because of the max salary. Want to fix it? Get rid of the max salary and let superstars command their open market value with only the team salary cap and luxury tax to restrict salaries.
Good grief, is there any sports cliche that is more played out than "athletes make too much money"?
It's laughably out of touch at best and actively nasty at worst to characterize individuals trying to maximize their salaries within an agreed-upon framework as spoiled malcontents. How would you feel if someone said that about you at your next job interview or salary negotiation? Oh, do you really need that much money? Can't you live on less? Why are you so greedy? It's nonsense.
Basketball actually has a lower cap than either NFL or MLB. It's just that salary is being divided among fewer players,
These aren't shithead CEOs who make their millions of the backs of underpaid laborers and through the manipulation of the system. Save your ire for people are make the world worse to earn their fortunes, not professional athletes.
Hmmm.
The consistency of opinion we’ve come to love and appreciate about you old buddy.
That being said, its really not contradicting. I don't blame them for getting what they can get. However, when they still cry and complain and force themselves out of situations, they are spoiled and entitled. Get it?
Excellent. I love being right.
I typically am.
If teams charged less for tickets, they would just be scooped up in season ticket packages and sold on the secondary market for an arbitrage margin that brings them back to their proper market value (which is elevated because the arenas can only hold a limited amount of people, so the demand far outpaces supply).
The fact that there even is a secondary market for tickets indicates that not only are teams not gouging fans, but that in fact, they're actually leaving revenue opportunity on the table (which is where the resale profit margin comes from).
Should it be the TV deals that provide less revenue to the league? I'm not sure how that would save any money for fans, though, since it's far from a straight line between the broadcast rights contracts and anything that directly impacts consumer costs. Maybe the packaged goods manufacturers who advertise on NBA broadcasts might charge less for their items if they weren't carrying a large enough media budget to be able to afford live sports broadcast TV ad flights, but that feels like a reach.
So, given that the revenues that teams (and the league itself) are not even maximized within their current structure, where should the money go? And how do you propose this bubble should burst if it were not due to a natural shift in the demand side of the equation?
Would you prefer for there to be fewer sports fans? Because that's basically the only way the bubble bursts in this scenario.
Quote:
In comment 15746287 robbieballs2003 said:
Quote:
?
Brah.. the threads tend to get verbose and off track
I am only trying to keep the discussion relevant to what I am interested in..
You can ignore..I promise not to be upset if you do...
Perhaps this was spoken to in a past thread...but I dont want to scroll thru all that to find it..OK?
The point is you started a thread about RJ being traded for Mitchell. That was discussed in the prior thread. This thread is about Robinson's salary, which was also discussed in the other thread. You aren't starting new threads about new topics or breaking news. You have a thought pop in your head and start a thread about things already discussed. Feel free to start more threads. That's your call. It just makes me laugh based on your reasoning for starting a new thread.
For the record I like your posts and as a new comer I listen to you.
But my last comment to you applies
I dont want to sift thru 10000 posts of people sidetracking shit and arguing over the dumbest stuff
If I look on the board and I dont see what I am interested in I will post it
If it is politely rejected I delete it
No worries
Quote:
Im waiting for any sport to not gouge the fans. Do players really need to make $50M a year playing freaking basketball while a family of 4 needs to spend 1k to go to a game? Really hoping this bubble burst, maybe when the recession hits.
If teams charged less for tickets, they would just be scooped up in season ticket packages and sold on the secondary market for an arbitrage margin that brings them back to their proper market value (which is elevated because the arenas can only hold a limited amount of people, so the demand far outpaces supply).
The fact that there even is a secondary market for tickets indicates that not only are teams not gouging fans, but that in fact, they're actually leaving revenue opportunity on the table (which is where the resale profit margin comes from).
Should it be the TV deals that provide less revenue to the league? I'm not sure how that would save any money for fans, though, since it's far from a straight line between the broadcast rights contracts and anything that directly impacts consumer costs. Maybe the packaged goods manufacturers who advertise on NBA broadcasts might charge less for their items if they weren't carrying a large enough media budget to be able to afford live sports broadcast TV ad flights, but that feels like a reach.
So, given that the revenues that teams (and the league itself) are not even maximized within their current structure, where should the money go? And how do you propose this bubble should burst if it were not due to a natural shift in the demand side of the equation?
Would you prefer for there to be fewer sports fans? Because that's basically the only way the bubble bursts in this scenario.
+1