Lombardi came to mind first, but our O was no great shakes until Tittle arrived and by then Lombardi was gone 2 years before. Allie was basically our OC and the O thrived, but we also had a ton of talent on that side of the ball..
Under Simms we had Earhardt and he did well, even as conservative as he could be..
Though I had on and off issues with Gilbride, he’s my nominee for the best OC in my lifetime..
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Eli thrived with him imv
No because Bill Parcels had an offensive strategy of preventing turnovers. He was truly 3 yards and a cloud of dust coach. He was a defensive minded coach who wanted to win the field position game, dominate on the ground and grind the opposition into the turf.
If you want to find an OC who did a lot with not much talent, think of McAdoo after Cruz and Nicks were injured and before OBJ.
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and nothing more than speculative at best, but does Simms become a HOFer had he had Gilbride as OC, iyo?
No because Bill Parcels had an offensive strategy of preventing turnovers. He was truly 3 yards and a cloud of dust coach. He was a defensive minded coach who wanted to win the field position game, dominate on the ground and grind the opposition into the turf.
Understood and yet, didn’t BP tell Phil that if you aren’t throwing INTs, you’re not throwing it enough or taking enough chances?
I ignored that. It was silly, imo..Still, many of us had issues with KG AT TIMES..
If they could have kept that WR crew healthy...Eli would have astounding passing numbers.
There is definitely snatches that come out about Gillbride and what his offense was about that are really impressive in terms of it's nuances. In my view Gillbride's Offense would have been successful in the Parcells era.
So overall I have to give Gillbride the edge here.
Context, or nostalgia?
Like the December Washington game when he had Eli throwing into the wind 57 times.... oooff.
Under Sherman as OC then HC/OC the Giants were perennial top 5 offensive teams and went to the championship game 5/6 years.
Sherman was an offense visionary, and his motion offense was well ahead of its time. Much of what the AFL and NFL eventually became was because of Sherman.
If Tittle and Gifford don’t get injured at critical times, the Giants would have at least another title and Sherman would get more credit.
Won two Superbowls. One with his back up. His offence was grind out and boring but it was the right system for the time.
If Landetta does not flub his punt and there is no strike in 1987. Who knows how many more he may have won as OC.
Under Sherman as OC then HC/OC the Giants were perennial top 5 offensive teams and went to the championship game 5/6 years.
Sherman was an offense visionary, and his motion offense was well ahead of its time. Much of what the AFL and NFL eventually became was because of Sherman.
If Tittle and Gifford don’t get injured at critical times, the Giants would have at least another title and Sherman would get more credit.
Excellent points about Sherman
Sherman gets a raw deal in history because of Landry and Lombardi I think.
Sherman gets a raw deal in history because of Landry and Lombardi I think.
Think about this: In an era where 15, MAYBE 20 TD passes were considered to be a solid year, Tittle threw 33 and 36 TDs in just 14 games.
Btw, Yat had a great arm, but he was the best screen passer I have ever seen
Erhardt during the Parcells years was all about running the ball. The TE was the best receiver Simms ever had. even in 86, the passing game was dismal in the first half of the year. Erhardt was effective, but no Bill Walsh.
Gilbride was better than Erhardt, but I would never say the Giants had an explosive offense under him. Not the way SF and other teams had explosive offenses.
We may get more of that with Daboll and Kafka.
Erhardt during the Parcells years was all about running the ball. The TE was the best receiver Simms ever had. even in 86, the passing game was dismal in the first half of the year. Erhardt was effective, but no Bill Walsh.
Gilbride was better than Erhardt, but I would never say the Giants had an explosive offense under him. Not the way SF and other teams had explosive offenses.
We may get more of that with Daboll and Kafka.
I expect that..🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞
Gilbride was outstanding but I think TC was very much involved with it as he was also a outstanding offensive coach himself.
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and nothing more than speculative at best, but does Simms become a HOFer had he had Gilbride as OC, iyo?
No because Bill Parcels had an offensive strategy of preventing turnovers. He was truly 3 yards and a cloud of dust coach. He was a defensive minded coach who wanted to win the field position game, dominate on the ground and grind the opposition into the turf.
Parcells didn’t so much mind interceptions on deep throws, which he viewed as being like a punt. He HATED fumbles, which flip field position.
Forgot to add Gilbride.
And to a lesser extent Jim Fassel. That 2000 squad was one of my favorite offenses the Giants had. And had we not screwed the pooch against SF... That 2002 crew was really fun to watch too.
Given that I started following the Giants in 1956, I never heard the boos that cascaded down from the stands during Conerly’s earlier years, not surprising given how Mickey Mantle was booed in his earlier years once Joe D retired..
Gilbride is complicated. After San Diego and Buffalo, his stock was so low that he had to rebuild his reputation as Coughlin’s QB coach under Hufnagel. And the three years he was in that job, Eli wasn’t very good despite the occasional awesome flashes. Manning made his greatest strides with Gilbride as OC, but also with Chris Palmer as his position coach. Hard to know how to apportion credit and blame. We do know that the offense collapsed when the line and receivers were decimated by age and injuries.
Under Sherman as OC then HC/OC the Giants were perennial top 5 offensive teams and went to the championship game 5/6 years.
Sherman was an offense visionary, and his motion offense was well ahead of its time. Much of what the AFL and NFL eventually became was because of Sherman.
If Tittle and Gifford don’t get injured at critical times, the Giants would have at least another title and Sherman would get more credit.
The question posed here is the greatest offensive coordinator in your lifetime. Your profile says you became a Giants fan in 1990, so why are you talking about the early 60s when you never saw it?
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I think it’s Sherman, and not really close.
Under Sherman as OC then HC/OC the Giants were perennial top 5 offensive teams and went to the championship game 5/6 years.
Sherman was an offense visionary, and his motion offense was well ahead of its time. Much of what the AFL and NFL eventually became was because of Sherman.
If Tittle and Gifford don’t get injured at critical times, the Giants would have at least another title and Sherman would get more credit.
The question posed here is the greatest offensive coordinator in your lifetime. Your profile says you became a Giants fan in 1990, so why are you talking about the early 60s when you never saw it?
Oh zing. You really got me this time, doofus.
You woke up on the 4th of July, went through a thread, of which you've made no substantive contribution (per usual).
And you thought, oh snap BBIer poster Christian answered the question slightly different than Bruce (his long time BBI friend a great guy) asked.
Like I said. You really got me. If you send me a self-addressed stamped envelope I'll send you a cutout construction paper crown so you coronate yourself King Doofus.