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Our best ever OC in your lifetime?

Big Blue '56 : 7/3/2022 8:22 am
Lombardi came to mind first, but our O was no great shakes until Tittle arrived and by then Lombardi was gone 2 years before. Allie was basically our OC and the O thrived, but we also had a ton of talent on that side of the ball..

Under Simms we had Earhardt and he did well, even as conservative as he could be..

Though I had on and off issues with Gilbride, he’s my nominee for the best OC in my lifetime..

You?
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I asked a simple question  
Snablats : 7/4/2022 11:32 am : link
And you go off on a ridiculous diatribe
Probably ...  
FStubbs : 7/4/2022 11:42 am : link
Sean Payton.

He got an offense with Kerry Collins at QB to the Superbowl.
RE: I asked a simple question  
christian : 7/4/2022 11:43 am : link
In comment 15747030 Snablats said:
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And you go off on a ridiculous diatribe


so why are you talking about the early 60s when you never saw it?

Have I not answered your question thoroughly enough doofus?
So you became a Giants fan in 1990  
Snablats : 7/4/2022 11:52 am : link
But you were watching the Giants in the early '60s?
RE: So you became a Giants fan in 1990  
christian : 7/4/2022 12:07 pm : link
In comment 15747040 Snablats said:
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But you were watching the Giants in the early '60s?

Like I said Columbo, you got me. I answered the question with a coordinator before my lifetime. The horror. The agony. The embarrassment.

I really do mean it. I'll send you the doofus crown. It's a holiday, so I'll even pony up for the shipping.
Why are you always so defensive?  
Snablats : 7/4/2022 12:16 pm : link
It was a fair question to ask. You get really defensive when someone questions things you say

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christian : 7/4/2022 12:41 pm : link
Oh don't take it so seriously doofus. I'm just giving you a hard time for coming onto a football thread and offering absolutely zero football contribution. Never change amigo.
If you go by points scored per season  
djm : 7/4/2022 3:21 pm : link
Eli and gilbride are the gold standard when it comes to the QB and OC.
RE: If you go by points scored per season  
Big Blue '56 : 7/4/2022 3:25 pm : link
In comment 15747115 djm said:
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Eli and gilbride are the gold standard when it comes to the QB and OC.


Until Plax Eli/KG were “magic,” at times, imv
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christian : 7/4/2022 6:29 pm : link
The offense that gets big time underrated is the 2012 team.

I think everyone knows my feelings that losing Burress gets a little mythologised.

I think the bigger *if only* is Nicks getting hurt in 2012. He was blossoming into the best WR in the NFL. That week 2 game against Tampa was ridiculous. Nicks gutted it out and came back later in the year, but was never the same player again.

The Giants defense was also pretty respectable in 2012. That's the one I think got away.
chrisitan.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/4/2022 6:36 pm : link
That '12 team-and the organization @ large for the most part-has never been the same since Hurricane Sandy. We were 6-2 & ended up going 3-5 the rest of the way, with a killer loss to WFT in DC on a Monday night.
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christian : 7/4/2022 7:32 pm : link
That loss to Washington was so frustrating. The Giants had a couple shots in the 4th quarter to take the lead but couldn't get in field goal range.

I thought that was going to be the beginning of a real nightmare with RG3.

But the game that really sticks out to me is the Falcons game. It was like every bit of magic from the championship teams was gone. I would have never expected in a million years the Giants to get rocked like that.
chrisitan.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/4/2022 7:37 pm : link
Wasn't Eli picked on the first play of the game in that Falcons game? I remember that game was over before I finished my second beer. And the next week was the Ravens kicking our ass.
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christian : 7/4/2022 9:33 pm : link
After that Atlanta game Coughlin said something to the effect of "They were very, very good and we were very, very bad."

They got wrecked in that game, and it felt like the end of an era where you expected the Giants to turn it on when it mattered.
The early TC/Gilbride  
Lines of Scrimmage : 7/5/2022 9:47 am : link
offenses were defined by balance. Eli always had the option to run/pass based on the defense and in early years they could make you make both ways.

2011 was a changing and they had a advanced cerebral QB and a highly talented group of WR's (led by Nicks) to impact defenses. When he was hurt they really struggled.

Ultimately the biggest thing that impacted TC/Gilbride was the offense lost the inability to impact the game physically caused by the OL/TE group. We have trying to recover the edge for ten years imv.
That’s easy  
King Quis : 7/5/2022 4:40 pm : link
Sean Payton.
RE: RE: …  
Jimmy Googs : 7/5/2022 6:32 pm : link
In comment 15747011 Snablats said:
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I think it’s Sherman, and not really close.

Under Sherman as OC then HC/OC the Giants were perennial top 5 offensive teams and went to the championship game 5/6 years.

Sherman was an offense visionary, and his motion offense was well ahead of its time. Much of what the AFL and NFL eventually became was because of Sherman.

If Tittle and Gifford don’t get injured at critical times, the Giants would have at least another title and Sherman would get more credit.


The question posed here is the greatest offensive coordinator in your lifetime. Your profile says you became a Giants fan in 1990, so why are you talking about the early 60s when you never saw it?


Yeah, this sounds just like what a poster would say after being on BBI years before but hardly ever posting.

Jan 2022 is a good time to revive such strong in-depth commentary you bring to the table as the call-out post above...
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christian : 7/5/2022 7:19 pm : link
Pointing out I slightly mis-answered BB56's question must have been extremely satisfying.

BB56's sensibilities were so offended ... he and I then had a nice exchange about football.

I'm the worst.
Snablats isn’t really backwards for St Albans  
Jimmy Googs : 7/5/2022 7:45 pm : link
it’s code for chucklehead...
What I always admired about Norv Turner was that  
Big Blue '56 : 7/7/2022 9:42 am : link
when he did have meh QBs (Yes he had Aikman) he was often able to get the best out of them as I saw it.
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