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Kmed6000 : 7/3/2022 9:17 am
Why would anyone want this guy on the roster. He's an ok RF and can hit it far if he gets a hold of one, but his numbers are atrocious. It's not just this year either, he's a career .203 hitter in 700 games.

65 Games Played
221 Plate Appearances

Batting Average- .168
On Base %- .281
OPS: .610
Homeruns: 9
RBI: 18
Strikeouts: 87

His career numbers arent good either. Outside of an outlier shortened season for him when he hit .253/389, he's been a career .200/.300 guy. Why is he still in MLB? His potential because he hits it far?
You can rip his hiting.  
section125 : 7/3/2022 9:20 am : link
But he is more than an ok outfielder.

I think he will be off the team by July 31st. He is just dead weight at the plate. You can tolerate it a bit with Higgy because catcher is so important.
He's an ok RF.  
Kmed6000 : 7/3/2022 9:21 am : link
He's not a good LF and to be honest, I don't trust him in the field at all.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/3/2022 9:25 am : link
His name was in the papers all last week.

Yeah, I saw that.

But you didn't actually read the articles.

No.

Too bad.

Why'd that?

Cause he's dead.
RE: ...  
Del Shofner : 7/3/2022 9:36 am : link
In comment 15746615 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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His name was in the papers all last week.

Yeah, I saw that.

But you didn't actually read the articles.

No.

Too bad.

Why'd that?

Cause he's dead.


haha - we're watching 'The Offer' and Joey Gallo is in the middle of things right now... as to baseball, this from the other thread:

RE: Does Gallo have any trade value?
Del Shofner : 7/2/2022 6:00 pm : link : reply
In comment 15746454 adamg said:
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What's the deal with not DFAing him? Do they think he's going to magically start hitting at some point and become a reliable piece?


Don't see how he could have much trade value. It looked good on paper at the time but the seller knew the player was cooked and the buyer didn't. DFA'ing him, which he deserves on the merits, is bad optics for management, so my guess is they are waiting as long as possible (the team is winning anyway) and hoping he turns it around at some point.
RE: He's an ok RF.  
section125 : 7/3/2022 9:42 am : link
In comment 15746613 Kmed6000 said:
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He's not a good LF and to be honest, I don't trust him in the field at all.


You are reaching. He covers a lot of ground, has a good arm. Yes he is better in RF. I guess you don't see the plays he makes at YS against the wall. Unlike Stanton and even Judge on occasion, Gallo gets to the wall as fast as possible and then has time to judge where the ball is coming down. He is a far better OF than Stanton and Andujar and right now, better than Hicks, too. That puts him behind only Judge and the Yankees outfield is pretty decent.

I have no problem excoriating his hitting. But he is a good OF and there is no need to conflate his hitting with his fielding to make a point.
What's even worse is that Smith and Duran are now in the majors  
Rick in Dallas : 7/3/2022 9:46 am : link
Rangers really high on Smith. Duran can really hit the ball but is not a good defensive player.
Have no idea why Cashman traded for Gallo....
I thought you meant  
Bill in UT : 7/3/2022 9:52 am : link
Joey Callo
why are you singling out Gallo and not  
Del Shofner : 7/3/2022 10:15 am : link
Chapman? Chapman is a bigger problem.

So is Carlos Beltran, but in a different way.
RE: I thought you meant  
BamaBlue : 7/3/2022 10:23 am : link
In comment 15746631 Bill in UT said:
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Joey Callo


Brilliant!
RE: He's an ok RF.  
Eman11 : 7/3/2022 10:26 am : link
In comment 15746613 Kmed6000 said:
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He's not a good LF and to be honest, I don't trust him in the field at all.


Then I don’t think you have been paying enough attention to his fielding. Either that or you’ve let his offensive struggles cloud your judgment.

He’s played a very good above average outfield this year.
Well, since we couldn't have protected everybody, it's okay that we  
Jim in Hoboken : 7/3/2022 10:28 am : link
gave away all those prospects for nothing.

Ugh, the problem is none of our remaining prospects are having a good start to their seasons. Except for maybe 2 or 3, and those are the ones we want to hold onto. How are we going to get a Benintendi or Happ when we only have prospects hitting under .200 to trade?

Why trade Roansy Contreras instead of Gomez? Or Alcantera instead of Vargas? Or Duran instead of Cabrera? We don't know what the other teams were asking for of course, but we don't seem capable identifying prospects worth keeping. Just another reason why so many prospects come up and flounder I guess.

Gallo and Hicks cannot be in the lineup come playoffs, unless we can magically petition the league to have Judge, Stanton or Rizzo come up on every important juncture.
RE: I thought you meant  
Pete in MD : 7/3/2022 11:08 am : link
In comment 15746631 Bill in UT said:
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Joey Callo

Joey Gallo is dead!
Gallo's been considerably more effective in right than left,  
Mad Mike : 7/3/2022 11:42 am : link
and unfortunately he's played more left than right. On balance, he hasn't been much of a defensive positive, though if he gets more time in right as the season goes no, that may flip.

And anyway, if you're arguing about Gallo's defensive contributions, I think you've already given up the ghost.
RE: Gallo's been considerably more effective in right than left,  
section125 : 7/3/2022 11:55 am : link
In comment 15746695 Mad Mike said:
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and unfortunately he's played more left than right. On balance, he hasn't been much of a defensive positive, though if he gets more time in right as the season goes no, that may flip.

And anyway, if you're arguing about Gallo's defensive contributions, I think you've already given up the ghost.


Not the point. There is nothing really wrong with Gallo's outfield play. Kmed sort of exaggerating him as a defensive liability which he is most definitely not. He is not Dwight Evans out there, but he didn't earned two Gold Gloves by butchering the position. He may not be overall as good as Judge, as he has had a couple bungled plays, but he has a better feel for the walls(IMHO) and has better range then people realize.
Everyone has acknowledged his ineptitude at the plate and most if not all would like to see him moved/replaced.
RE: RE: ...  
Matt M. : 7/3/2022 1:10 pm : link
In comment 15746621 Del Shofner said:
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In comment 15746615 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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His name was in the papers all last week.

Yeah, I saw that.

But you didn't actually read the articles.

No.

Too bad.

Why'd that?

Cause he's dead.



haha - we're watching 'The Offer' and Joey Gallo is in the middle of things right now... as to baseball, this from the other thread:

RE: Does Gallo have any trade value?
Del Shofner : 7/2/2022 6:00 pm : link : reply
In comment 15746454 adamg said:
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What's the deal with not DFAing him? Do they think he's going to magically start hitting at some point and become a reliable piece?


Don't see how he could have much trade value. It looked good on paper at the time but the seller knew the player was cooked and the buyer didn't. DFA'ing him, which he deserves on the merits, is bad optics for management, so my guess is they are waiting as long as possible (the team is winning anyway) and hoping he turns it around at some point.
But, there is no turning it around. This is who he is.
^^^^  
Del Shofner : 7/3/2022 1:11 pm : link
No disagreement - I'm just saying what I think management is thinking. Cutting him is a pretty major admission of error.
RE: RE: Gallo's been considerably more effective in right than left,  
Matt M. : 7/3/2022 1:15 pm : link
In comment 15746699 section125 said:
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In comment 15746695 Mad Mike said:


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and unfortunately he's played more left than right. On balance, he hasn't been much of a defensive positive, though if he gets more time in right as the season goes no, that may flip.

And anyway, if you're arguing about Gallo's defensive contributions, I think you've already given up the ghost.



Not the point. There is nothing really wrong with Gallo's outfield play. Kmed sort of exaggerating him as a defensive liability which he is most definitely not. He is not Dwight Evans out there, but he didn't earned two Gold Gloves by butchering the position. He may not be overall as good as Judge, as he has had a couple bungled plays, but he has a better feel for the walls(IMHO) and has better range then people realize.
Everyone has acknowledged his ineptitude at the plate and most if not all would like to see him moved/replaced.
Past Gold Gloves don't make you a current Gold Glover. I do not agree with those saying he has been terrible. But, he also is not the Gold Glove OFer from a couple of years ago. And last year, his play in LF when he came over took a quick nose dive. This year, he has been a decent OF. That's not enough to even remotely consider defending his atrocious play at the plate.
RE: why are you singling out Gallo and not  
mitch300 : 7/3/2022 1:18 pm : link
In comment 15746646 Del Shofner said:
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Chapman? Chapman is a bigger problem.

So is Carlos Beltran, but in a different way.

I would do a package deal. Gallo and Chapman . I would ask for 4 dozen baseballs. Settle on 2 dozen. Addition by subtraction.
RE: RE: why are you singling out Gallo and not  
Matt M. : 7/3/2022 1:20 pm : link
In comment 15746750 mitch300 said:
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In comment 15746646 Del Shofner said:


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Chapman? Chapman is a bigger problem.

So is Carlos Beltran, but in a different way.


I would do a package deal. Gallo and Chapman . I would ask for 4 dozen baseballs. Settle on 2 dozen. Addition by subtraction.
I have never felt 100% confident with Chapman as a Yankee in the closer role, even when he is on. But, man did he fall off a cliff.
the best thing about Gallo is...  
BCD : 7/3/2022 2:49 pm : link
he passes the eye test.
Send Hicks with him.  
Red Dog : 7/3/2022 4:48 pm : link
Another near zero.
If you thought Gallo was going to hit for average  
HomerJones45 : 7/3/2022 5:05 pm : link
you've got the wrong player. His game is walks, HR's and scoring runs. He's a Bill Jamesian wet dream.

His line drive percentage is up at the expense of fly balls, and he is pulling the ball far more than he ever has. Don't know why, but those seem to be the largest differences.

Home run hitters are streaky. He's tough to take at the moment, but you guys will all be cheering if he goes on one of his 10 homers in 12 games streaks. He's done it before.

RE: If you thought Gallo was going to hit for average  
mitch300 : 7/3/2022 5:25 pm : link
In comment 15746860 HomerJones45 said:
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you've got the wrong player. His game is walks, HR's and scoring runs. He's a Bill Jamesian wet dream.

His line drive percentage is up at the expense of fly balls, and he is pulling the ball far more than he ever has. Don't know why, but those seem to be the largest differences.

Home run hitters are streaky. He's tough to take at the moment, but you guys will all be cheering if he goes on one of his 10 homers in 12 games streaks. He's done it before.

Are you part of the Yankees analytic team.
RE: If you thought Gallo was going to hit for average  
Stan in LA : 7/3/2022 5:26 pm : link
In comment 15746860 HomerJones45 said:
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you've got the wrong player. His game is walks, HR's and scoring runs. He's a Bill Jamesian wet dream.

His line drive percentage is up at the expense of fly balls, and he is pulling the ball far more than he ever has. Don't know why, but those seem to be the largest differences.

Home run hitters are streaky. He's tough to take at the moment, but you guys will all be cheering if he goes on one of his 10 homers in 12 games streaks. He's done it before.


At this point, I'd be happy if he went on a 1 homer streak.
Gallo got old before our very eyes ...  
Manny in CA : 7/3/2022 8:11 pm : link

When he was young, he got away with the heck-jerky now he can't. Now he's baseball old with all the twitches that can't react to the "97 mph heater".
RE: Gallo got old before our very eyes ...  
HomerJones45 : 7/3/2022 10:13 pm : link
In comment 15746899 Manny in CA said:
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When he was young, he got away with the heck-jerky now he can't. Now he's baseball old with all the twitches that can't react to the "97 mph heater".
I think he is 28.

If anyone is interested, there are many analytics stats available online.

Joey is a throwback  
Vanzetti : 7/4/2022 3:41 am : link
to the days of Rob Deere, Dave Kingman and Gorman Thomas
Not a "Big Stage" Sort of Player  
varco : 7/4/2022 7:01 am : link
Some players just can't thrive under the big lights. I can see Gallo going to a team like the Reds and start hitting the cover off the ball. Some guys just can't loosen up under the media microscope and fans' expectations. If I were Gallo, I would ask out and try to reboot elsewhere. Too bad.
Re: the analytics  
mattnyg05 : 7/4/2022 7:05 am : link
I understand his value in total, according to those smarter than me, might be high for a whole season if he were to hit 35 homers and bat 200 (and walk a decent amount). But I don’t understand how the analytics (sorry for broad term usage) don’t account for striking out with runners on, going through months long periods of not hitting the ball, or simply NEVER hitting the ball other than his home runs.

There has to be something there that says “this guy will do this-but only this-and that ain’t good” other than the obvious eye test. He absolutely stinks. And IMO he stunk even when he was hitting 40 homers. It’s the Gary Sanchez debate… if he’s going to get out the entirety of the year other than his homer streaky times, is that more valuable than the 250-275 guy who doesn’t strike out but hits 20 homers instead of 40???? I guess so. That’s what everyone tells me.
Benintendi  
GruningsOnTheHill : 7/4/2022 7:24 am : link
This team has enough HR hitters. Give me Andrew Benintendi in LF.

While 10-D -- as Sox fans used to call him -- is not on pace to hit his usual 16 to 20 HRs for 2022, he is batting .308 this year. His 88 hits for the season are more hits than anyone on the Yankees has (Judge leader the team with 83). Plus he is a lefty, which would be another boost to the right-heavy NYY lineup.

Against tough pitchers in the playoffs, give me Benintendi in LF instead of the black hole/strikeout machine that is Joey Gallo.

RE: Well, since we couldn't have protected everybody, it's okay that we  
Spirit of '86 : 7/4/2022 7:37 am : link
In comment 15746653 Jim in Hoboken said:
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gave away all those prospects for nothing.

Ugh, the problem is none of our remaining prospects are having a good start to their seasons. Except for maybe 2 or 3, and those are the ones we want to hold onto. How are we going to get a Benintendi or Happ when we only have prospects hitting under .200 to trade?

Why trade Roansy Contreras instead of Gomez? Or Alcantera instead of Vargas? Or Duran instead of Cabrera? We don't know what the other teams were asking for of course, but we don't seem capable identifying prospects worth keeping. Just another reason why so many prospects come up and flounder I guess.

Gallo and Hicks cannot be in the lineup come playoffs, unless we can magically petition the league to have Judge, Stanton or Rizzo come up on every important juncture.


Speaking of prospects, why not bring up Florial? He is leading Scranton is all offensive categories (he is one behind in HR). He can play CF and has power and is left handed. Play Andujar in left, Florial in center, Judge/Stanton in right, and hicks as 4th OF. Pretty good group and much better than current one.
RE: RE: Well, since we couldn't have protected everybody, it's okay that we  
Victor in CT : 7/4/2022 8:15 am : link
In comment 15746965 Spirit of '86 said:
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In comment 15746653 Jim in Hoboken said:


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gave away all those prospects for nothing.

Ugh, the problem is none of our remaining prospects are having a good start to their seasons. Except for maybe 2 or 3, and those are the ones we want to hold onto. How are we going to get a Benintendi or Happ when we only have prospects hitting under .200 to trade?

Why trade Roansy Contreras instead of Gomez? Or Alcantera instead of Vargas? Or Duran instead of Cabrera? We don't know what the other teams were asking for of course, but we don't seem capable identifying prospects worth keeping. Just another reason why so many prospects come up and flounder I guess.

Gallo and Hicks cannot be in the lineup come playoffs, unless we can magically petition the league to have Judge, Stanton or Rizzo come up on every important juncture.



Speaking of prospects, why not bring up Florial? He is leading Scranton is all offensive categories (he is one behind in HR). He can play CF and has power and is left handed. Play Andujar in left, Florial in center, Judge/Stanton in right, and hicks as 4th OF. Pretty good group and much better than current one.


thank you! Florial has gotten over his disappointment an has been sizzling for over 40 games, plays excellent OF and can run.

I'll grant that he's a good outfielder, but Gallo CAN'T HIT. These fucking nerds that cream themselves over .150 hitters who strike out 40% of their ABs because they MIGHT go on the "10 homers in 12 games tear" are what's ruining baseball. Gallo is the poster child. .181, .160, .165 in his last 3 seasons. Only 1 yr in his life over .209. Relying on these types of players is why you fail in the post-season when the pitching is better. Sounds like alot of people here thought Dave Kingman was a great player, who by the way was a much better hitter than Gallo.
RE: Re: the analytics  
HomerJones45 : 7/4/2022 9:23 am : link
In comment 15746961 mattnyg05 said:
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I understand his value in total, according to those smarter than me, might be high for a whole season if he were to hit 35 homers and bat 200 (and walk a decent amount). But I don’t understand how the analytics (sorry for broad term usage) don’t account for striking out with runners on, going through months long periods of not hitting the ball, or simply NEVER hitting the ball other than his home runs.

There has to be something there that says “this guy will do this-but only this-and that ain’t good” other than the obvious eye test. He absolutely stinks. And IMO he stunk even when he was hitting 40 homers. It’s the Gary Sanchez debate… if he’s going to get out the entirety of the year other than his homer streaky times, is that more valuable than the 250-275 guy who doesn’t strike out but hits 20 homers instead of 40???? I guess so. That’s what everyone tells me.
Personally, I agree with you and wouldn't have traded for the guy. But among the analytics devotees, he's a good player to have around.
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arcarsenal : 7/4/2022 10:40 am : link
I understand why he was targeted in the first place. The Texas version of Gallo would have been an asset to NYY - he has just literally not been that player at all since he got here.

I just think this is one of those things where the Yankees need to turn the page and move on as soon as it's possible. It didn't work out. Not all trades will, and unfortunately this one went about as poorly as possible.

He has zero confidence and it's not going to come back here.
RE: RE: Re: the analytics  
arcarsenal : 7/4/2022 10:46 am : link
In comment 15746983 HomerJones45 said:
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I understand his value in total, according to those smarter than me, might be high for a whole season if he were to hit 35 homers and bat 200 (and walk a decent amount). But I don’t understand how the analytics (sorry for broad term usage) don’t account for striking out with runners on, going through months long periods of not hitting the ball, or simply NEVER hitting the ball other than his home runs.

There has to be something there that says “this guy will do this-but only this-and that ain’t good” other than the obvious eye test. He absolutely stinks. And IMO he stunk even when he was hitting 40 homers. It’s the Gary Sanchez debate… if he’s going to get out the entirety of the year other than his homer streaky times, is that more valuable than the 250-275 guy who doesn’t strike out but hits 20 homers instead of 40???? I guess so. That’s what everyone tells me.

Personally, I agree with you and wouldn't have traded for the guy. But among the analytics devotees, he's a good player to have around.


He's not. Not this version. There aren't analytics that say anything positive about the Yankees version of Gallo.

This argument worked in Texas. You could reasonably show how Gallo had value even as a ~.220 hitter. He doesn't need to hit for average to have value. The problem is that the things that he was doing in the past, he's not doing now.

His .160 ISO is a career-low (by a lot) - he's not walking as much as he did last year. He has a -0.2 fWAR.. he's literally below replacement level.

He's a career 111 wRC+ hitter. This year, he's @ 77. Meaning, he's 23% worse than the average offensive player.

He's not doing anything well this year. His confidence is shot.
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