There’s a lull, so wth..
DISCLAIMER: I may “hate” them as a fan, but I’m going to judge them solely on performance only.
DC: Buddy Ryan..I’m omitting Belichick because his greatness was as a Giants DC though he coordinated for BP with the Jets, but feel free to list him.
OC: Norv Turner..In his prime, he made almost everything work, imo
I'll go with Bill Walsh in Cincinnati as the best OC.
I'll go with Bill Walsh in Cincinnati as the best OC.
How long did Walsh OC? I don’t recall
Great call!
I remember seeing a show on Bill Walsh. Paul Brown was behind his inability to get a HC position.
Thanks. Didn’t realize he was OC gor that long. He certainly ranks up there as well..
Was Holmgren an OC or just a QB Coach (like Reid) before taking over Niners’ HC job
Loved his defenses.
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HE was the OC for Chargers for one year in 1976. No NFL team would hire him as HC so he went to Stanford for a few years and then the 49ers hired him.
Thanks. Didn’t realize he was OC gor that long. He certainly ranks up there as well..
Was Holmgren an OC or just a QB Coach (like Reid) before taking over Niners’ HC job
Looks like Holmgren went from being San Francisco's OC/QB coach to Green Bay.
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HE was the OC for Chargers for one year in 1976. No NFL team would hire him as HC so he went to Stanford for a few years and then the 49ers hired him.
Thanks. Didn’t realize he was OC gor that long. He certainly ranks up there as well..
Was Holmgren an OC or just a QB Coach (like Reid) before taking over Niners’ HC job
Looks like Holmgren went from being San Francisco's OC/QB coach to Green Bay.
Ah, so he wasn’t just a QB coach..
Offense Walsh and Don Coryell.
For a DC, count me in with the Dick Lebeau camp. A mastermind.
Amazing coordinators not so good head coaches.
The RG3 rookie season that revolutionized the mobile QB and college offenses we see in the league today.
The 2016 Matt Ryan MVP season.
The SF tenure with 2 NFC Championship appearances and a near SB win with what 90% of the NFL fanbase feels is not a good, let alone franchise QB.
That 1994 49er offense towards the end of that season was the closest thing to unstoppable as I could recall at the time. Was like a preview of the 2011 Saints offense, in an era where defenses could still be a factor.
The Shanahans can call plays, and create good schemes.
Can't 100% deliver without elite QB play and/or defensive lapses. I know people will want to bring up 28-3, and 20-10, but those would never have happened in 2006 NFL let alone 80s or 90s.
That to me is why Mike has 3 rings (1 as OC, 2 as HC) and Kyle is still (????) searching for his.
Only difference thus far is that.
Wade Phillips
Vic Fangio
Underrated:
Pete Carroll
George Seifert
In terms of overall play calling, however, I think both are below the level of Holmgren. And that's because Holmgren has a PhD with the passing offense to compliment his running attack.
In terms of overall play calling, however, I think both are below the level of Holmgren. And that's because Holmgren has a PhD with the passing offense to compliment his running attack.
Shanny’s success with the RB game does not make that position “fungible” unless you have 32 Shannys
Also was thinking of the Gilbride/Ryan fight on the sidelines...good times back in the day!
Offense: Norv Turner is up there. A dude who should get some love is Josh McDaniels.