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Maryland Blows : 7/5/2022 11:25 am
The next few days things should start to heat up arounnd the NHL. Teams will be looking to get guys signed or shed salary in order to go after players in FA.

The Rangers need to make moves in order to keep some of their FA's or bring in new players.

The Islanders will look to move Bailey for sure and they have been linked to Forsberg and Gaudreau.

If you see or hear something let us know. Should be an interesting next 2 weeks.

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NHLN take on NYI and Kadri  
pjcas18 : 8/19/2022 9:10 am : link

NHL Network
@NHLNetwork
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The Islanders just couldn't create the cap space needed to sign Nazem Kadri, likely because of their RFA signings.
RE: RE: seems like Price's  
pjcas18 : 8/19/2022 10:33 am : link
In comment 15784661 JayBinQueens said:
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In comment 15784620 pjcas18 said:


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knee is not getting better and has possibly degenerated to an arthritic condition that may never get better.




Sad way to go for one of the best


Completely agree. NHL is the only level he hasn't won.

I hope his career isn't over, but if it is, 1st ballot HOFer and the most positionally sound, calm, poised, elite, goalie of the past era. Not even sure who his peer is? Lundqvist? The Hasek/Roy/Brodeur era ended and not sure who leads the next one. I guess Carey and Henrik - maybe two of the best goalies to never win a cup (the dubious distinction no one wants).

I was watching one game, I forget which - maybe have been the 2014 Olympics, the talking head said "if Carey Price sees the puck he's going to save it. If he doesn't see it, he's still probably going to save it" - that is how fundamentally sound he is in net. In those Olympics, Price had a 0.6 GAA and a 97% save percentage (over 5 games). And maybe in a fitting display for the era Price outdueled Hank to lead Canada to gold over Sweden.




Lundqvist/Price/Fleury  
five5 : 8/19/2022 10:39 am : link
How would you rank them?
RE: Lundqvist/Price/Fleury  
pjcas18 : 8/19/2022 10:40 am : link
In comment 15785060 five5 said:
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How would you rank them?


Price
Lundqvist
MAF

and MAF has three rings and a Vezina.

RE: NHLN take on NYI and Kadri  
Eric on Li : 8/19/2022 10:45 am : link
In comment 15784953 pjcas18 said:
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NHL Network
@NHLNetwork
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The Islanders just couldn't create the cap space needed to sign Nazem Kadri, likely because of their RFA signings.


i buy this given what it cost CAL to dump 1 year of monahan. have to think 2 years of bailey would have cost even more if there was no salary coming back.

also have to think there wouldn't have been much of a return for beauvillier even though he has 2 very reasonable years on his deal. that would have been a toews trade all over again.

varlamov is probably movable but they dont seem to want to do that, and in the numbers game since they already have 12 Fs they would have had to move a F somehow. to fit Gaudreau i'd have been a lot more willing to dump others off than Kadri because I think in Gaudreau's case just by simple math you are getting 3 extra prime aged years for the same length deal.
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BrettNYG10 : 8/19/2022 11:02 am : link
I think the best season of Price is better than the best season of Lundqvist but Lundqvist was great for a longer period of time.
MTL  
pjcas18 : 8/19/2022 11:05 am : link
should aggressively shop Dvorak, Josh Anderson, Jake Allen, Drouin, Hoffman, Dadanov, Byron, basically everyone over 25 - eat the salary (or most of it) and just get back picks and prospects.

2023 draft is "supposed to be" historic.

And with their D core and goalie even if the forwards do well MTL should be epically bad. With OTT and BUF improving it's MTL and ARI battling for worst team.


RE: .....  
Greg from LI : 8/19/2022 11:12 am : link
In comment 15785087 BrettNYG10 said:
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I think the best season of Price is better than the best season of Lundqvist but Lundqvist was great for a longer period of time.


Yes.

Price's MVP season was sensational, one of the best goalie seasons ever. Lundqvist never had a season like that, but he was a machine. His durability and consistency led to a very long period of consistently excellent play. Price's career was more of a roller coaster, in no small part due to injuries. They played the same number of seasons but Hank played in about 150 more games. He was in the top five of the Vezina voting seven times, Price was three times.

In any given season there was a goalie or two having a bit better year than Lundqvist, but those guys rose and fell. Hank did it every year, year in and out, for over a decade.
Price had worse teams  
pjcas18 : 8/19/2022 2:09 pm : link
than almost any of his contemporaries. Who are the best forwards Price had driving his teams offense?

Max Pacioretty? Brendan Gallagher? 35 year old Kovalev?

Other than Shea Weber name a good Habs defenseman in his career? PK Subban? Jeff Petry?

any way, it's an opinion question, so I won't argue with anyone who ranks those three goalies in any order, my opinion is my opinion.

Shesterkin  
five5 : 8/19/2022 2:21 pm : link
What was he this year? Kinda curious…
RE: Shesterkin  
pjcas18 : 8/19/2022 2:25 pm : link
In comment 15785214 five5 said:
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What was he this year? Kinda curious…


34.1 - just this year. I believe they track it more structured now.
Thanks PJ  
five5 : 8/19/2022 2:26 pm : link
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RE: MTL  
5BowlsSoon : 8/19/2022 2:27 pm : link
In comment 15785092 pjcas18 said:
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should aggressively shop Dvorak, Josh Anderson, Jake Allen, Drouin, Hoffman, Dadanov, Byron, basically everyone over 25 - eat the salary (or most of it) and just get back picks and prospects.

2023 draft is "supposed to be" historic.

And with their D core and goalie even if the forwards do well MTL should be epically bad. With OTT and BUF improving it's MTL and ARI battling for worst team.



Pj…I’m surprised to see you so negative on your boys. I know you are rebuilding, but you still have some decent players, especially forwards.

Suzuki, Caufield, Anderson, Gallagher should be much better this coming year, Evans, Dach, Monohan when he is healthy, Dadanov, maybe Drouin if he can stay healthy, Hoffman is decent, Dvorak, unless he is traded…..and others. Maybe even your #1 draft choice, Slafkowsky comes up sometime this season.

You still have Edmundson, Matheson, Savard and a bevy of top prospects to play defense. (Barrón and Harris to name two.)

Your two goalies not named Price are pretty solid too. That Montembeault kid played better as the season wore on last year.

I don’t see your guys are being that bad. Your boys played especially inspired hockey when you changed coaches to MSL. You have to factor him in this too.
Montreal forwards will be good  
pjcas18 : 8/19/2022 2:36 pm : link
but they don't have a top pair on D and Montembeault got better because he couldn't get worse.

when your goalie has almost a 4.0 GAA it's hard to find nice things to say about them.

I like Jake Allen more than most people, but he's most valuable as a backup IMO. He gets exposed as a starter when he starts too often.

I don't even think I'm being negative. I'm fine with where the Habs are today. You don't replace a Price and Weber (plus) with the wave of a magic wand, I just hope they're patient because as bad as NY or BOS or TOR are, I'm not sure anywhere is as bad as MTL for impatience.

The only move I really question is trading Lehkonen. I like Barron in the return, but look what Lehkonen did post-trade playing PP1 and top 6 min. MTL never have him that opportunity and it took a trade to the SC winner for people to realize how good he could be.

I 100% support trading the veterans, but Lehky was an RFA even though he is 27. Some players take a little white to have the light go on and 5 years $22M like he got in COL is a steal IMO.


RE: Price had worse teams  
BrettNYG10 : 8/19/2022 5:10 pm : link
In comment 15785207 pjcas18 said:
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than almost any of his contemporaries. Who are the best forwards Price had driving his teams offense?

Max Pacioretty? Brendan Gallagher? 35 year old Kovalev?

Other than Shea Weber name a good Habs defenseman in his career? PK Subban? Jeff Petry?

any way, it's an opinion question, so I won't argue with anyone who ranks those three goalies in any order, my opinion is my opinion.



Can't go wrong with either - I forget how good Tukka Rask was sometimes. They went from Tim Thomas->Rask. So lucky (so are the Rangers).

I think Lundqvist's defenses were overrated for much of his career but Price had it much worse.
No argument from me Brett and I think  
pjcas18 : 8/19/2022 5:22 pm : link
to this day Tim Thomas has the best recorded season of goals saved above expected with ~40 in 2010-2011.

I think the stat only goes back about 15 years, and it's not exact, but I'd guess it's a pretty good indicator.

Thomas only had one other season remotely close to that season. and he didn't debut in the NHL until he was 28 and had his best season at 36.

Goalies are weird. no offense CHP.
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BrettNYG10 : 8/22/2022 12:04 pm : link
I saw this on Twitter:

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Carey Price played with one 80 point player in his entire career. That was Kovalev in Price’s rookie year


People are debating Lundqvist vs. Price on Twitter and have been really heated, of course. I see both sides of the debate so it's hard for me to get riled up one way or the other.

I think both teams did a disservice to their goaltenders and should have been able to win Cups. However, I'd add that I think the value of an elite goaltender has declined vs. the early 90s as the average goaltender has gotten so good.
Fans are idiots - it's like the old Brady vs  
pjcas18 : 8/22/2022 12:47 pm : link
Peyton debates I used to read (before Brady separated from the pack) and they'd also result in online death threats. lol.

Some NYI news (legit this time)

PuckPedia
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The #isles re-signed 22 y/o RD Noah Dobson to 3 year $4M Cap Hit deal per @FriedgeHNIC
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Will be RFA on expiry & 2 years from UFA eligibility

51P in 80 GP

Rep'd by Andrew Maloney @maloneythompson
More NYI...  
pjcas18 : 8/22/2022 12:52 pm : link
Dan Milstein-Hockey
@HockeyAgent1
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Alexander Romanov signs 3 year contract extension with the New York Islanders. #WeAreGoldStar!

2.5M AAV

CapFriendly
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Keiffer Bellows - #NYI
$1.2M x 1 year

All base salary. He will be an arbitration-eligible RFA at the expiry of the contract.

really like the strategy of those deals  
Eric on Li : 8/22/2022 3:29 pm : link
they could have gone longer but probably saved themselves 3-4m per year in cushion to keep adding. and since they have rfa rights at the end they will have leverage for extensions then. if they play well enough the price goes up that's a good problem.

they now have a full roster signed now with around 3-4m in cap room so they probably have something of a league-wide standing offer of their first plus a roster F (beauvillier or bailey) for a 7m+ impact rental winger like kane or jt miller or meier.
RE: really like the strategy of those deals  
pjcas18 : 8/22/2022 3:40 pm : link
In comment 15788148 Eric on Li said:
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they could have gone longer but probably saved themselves 3-4m per year in cushion to keep adding. and since they have rfa rights at the end they will have leverage for extensions then. if they play well enough the price goes up that's a good problem.

they now have a full roster signed now with around 3-4m in cap room so they probably have something of a league-wide standing offer of their first plus a roster F (beauvillier or bailey) for a 7m+ impact rental winger like kane or jt miller or meier.


And the players probably don't hate it either.

If you're Dobson, for example, you get $12M guaranteed for the next 3 years, at that time your career earnings are around $17M. So sure, you're still an RFA when this contract is done but if managed wisely you're basically set for life financially, and then can decide if you want a bridge (if you don't want to commit to the team long-term) or long-term at that time - when you have more leverage which = more money.

Same with Romanov to a slightly lesser extent.

I think Bellows still needs to prove he's a NHLer who deserves a regular shift, but Dobson and Romanov are top 4 D.

totally agree  
Eric on Li : 8/22/2022 3:44 pm : link
bellows is an extra forward fighting for his spot.

the other thing that's positive about the romanov and dobson deals is that they expire at 25 years old. so if you decided to max out either of them with 8 years, those next deals will basically cover almost all prime years, likely at a rate under whatever their open market rate is (since they will be RFAs).

i hate lou's secrecy and it would be great to not always be the bridesmaid on top FA's but he knows how to manage a roster. for the love of god just find barzal a winger.
RE: No argument from me Brett and I think  
BillKo : 8/22/2022 3:49 pm : link
In comment 15785301 pjcas18 said:
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to this day Tim Thomas has the best recorded season of goals saved above expected with ~40 in 2010-2011.

I think the stat only goes back about 15 years, and it's not exact, but I'd guess it's a pretty good indicator.

Thomas only had one other season remotely close to that season. and he didn't debut in the NHL until he was 28 and had his best season at 36.

Goalies are weird. no offense CHP.


People sorta forget - the season before 2010/2011 Thomas was essentially replaced late in the season by a young Rask - Thomas appeared to be on the decline.

The B's then blew that series to the Flyers, but Rask was the unquestioned starter the next year in 2010/2011 but really struggled in the first quarter of the season and Thomas got back in there and never gave it back, playing outstanding.
Was that Flyers series  
pjcas18 : 8/22/2022 5:34 pm : link
the one they were up 3 - 0 in the series and then the Bruins had a 3 - 0 lead in game 7 and lost the game and hence the series?


RE: .  
Jay on the Island : 8/22/2022 7:38 pm : link
In comment 15787839 BrettNYG10 said:
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I saw this on Twitter:



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Carey Price played with one 80 point player in his entire career. That was Kovalev in Price’s rookie year



People are debating Lundqvist vs. Price on Twitter and have been really heated, of course. I see both sides of the debate so it's hard for me to get riled up one way or the other.

I think both teams did a disservice to their goaltenders and should have been able to win Cups. However, I'd add that I think the value of an elite goaltender has declined vs. the early 90s as the average goaltender has gotten so good.

Lundqvist was a HOF goaltender but Price was better IMO.
RE: Was that Flyers series  
BillKo : 8/22/2022 8:23 pm : link
In comment 15788304 pjcas18 said:
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the one they were up 3 - 0 in the series and then the Bruins had a 3 - 0 lead in game 7 and lost the game and hence the series?



Yep, they had a 3-0 Game 7 lead, but gave up a late goal at the end of the 1st period to make it 3-1, and you just had a bad vibe about it...

But Rask wasn't blamed for the collapse - and went into the following season as the #1 but really struggled and Thomas just played lights out given the chance to be #1 again.

Thomas was essentially the #1 the two years prior and of course was the #1 the year following the Cup before he retired I believe.
Quite a few RFAs still out there lingering  
pjcas18 : 8/23/2022 7:32 am : link
Robertson (DAL)
Dach (MTL)
Oettinger (DAL)
Zadina (DET)
Brannstrom (OTT)
Formenton (OTT)

22 or so remaining.

Robertson the biggest name, but quite a few important players. DAL, OTT, DET all have space, MTL doesn't until/if they put Price on LTIR. Making Dach (and Cayden Primeau) ripe for offer sheet if a team still wants to go that way.
F-ing Hurricanes  
pjcas18 : 8/23/2022 12:22 pm : link
they might be my most hated team. This is a steal IMO even at this age.

Brennan Klak
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#Canes sign Paul Stastny to a one-year deal at 1.5M
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 8/23/2022 12:27 pm : link
Kakko 107 MPH slap shot. A few miles short of mine, obviously.
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RE: F-ing Hurricanes  
BrettNYG10 : 8/23/2022 12:29 pm : link
In comment 15789005 pjcas18 said:
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they might be my most hated team. This is a steal IMO even at this age.

Brennan Klak
@nhlupdate
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#Canes sign Paul Stastny to a one-year deal at 1.5M


Great signing. I think the Rangers should have signed Stastny to a deal like that rather than giving Trocheck so much money and term.
I am going to disagree with you there  
Andy in Halifax : 8/23/2022 12:32 pm : link
Not saying VT was the best move, but Stasny is slooooooow. Not a fit for what NYR are doing in the top 6.

Rangers are on the cusp of something great imo, maybe just missing one piece but I don't think PS is that piece.
RE: .....  
pjcas18 : 8/23/2022 12:45 pm : link
In comment 15789014 BrettNYG10 said:
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Kakko 107 MPH slap shot. A few miles short of mine, obviously. Twitter - ( New Window )


I'd get that gun checked. NHL record is 108.8.

Shea Weber fastest time (as far as I know) is 108.5, Chara is 108.8 - and that is the NHL record. Iafrate was around 105

Not saying Kakko doesn't have a shot that hard, but I never thought of him like I do Weber, Chara, Iafrate, etc.

Different roles  
pjcas18 : 8/23/2022 12:55 pm : link
Stastny is a bottom 6 player who gives you a veteran presence, money on the dots, late game guy who can play PP2 or PK2 and be defensively responsible.

Trocheck is top 6 player.

Both were in play for NYR IMO.
RE: I am going to disagree with you there  
BrettNYG10 : 8/23/2022 1:26 pm : link
In comment 15789025 Andy in Halifax said:
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Not saying VT was the best move, but Stasny is slooooooow. Not a fit for what NYR are doing in the top 6.

Rangers are on the cusp of something great imo, maybe just missing one piece but I don't think PS is that piece.


My thinking is more that the Rangers have a 3-4 year window and should reserve some cap space to add a piece next year or the year after (or to try and extend Miller on a cheaper deal for a longer time period when his deal is up).

Trocheck and Stastny had the same P/60 last year. I think they are closer players than people think.

I would have put Chytil at 2C and Stastny at 3C and then traded for someone at the deadline if Chytil bombed.
I like the aggressive  
pjcas18 : 8/23/2022 1:35 pm : link
approach with Chytil. All three of Chytil, Kakko and Lafreniere for that matter.

Some times players need to be pushed.

I think pushing Miller proved to be valuable to his development.

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BrettNYG10 : 8/23/2022 2:03 pm : link
I agree. If the Rangers are going to take the next step it's going to be driven by the young guys.
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pjcas18 : 8/24/2022 11:00 pm : link
NHL News
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Phil Kessel 1x$1.5M with Vegas
I didn't realize Kessel  
pjcas18 : 8/24/2022 11:02 pm : link
is the current "iron man" in the NHL and if he plays 10 games next year he takes over the all-time lead from Yandle.

I bet most people, if they didn't know already, would not guess Phil Kessel will be the NHL iron man if you gave them 25 guesses.
RE: I didn't realize Kessel  
Anakim : 8/24/2022 11:09 pm : link
In comment 15790718 pjcas18 said:
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is the current "iron man" in the NHL and if he plays 10 games next year he takes over the all-time lead from Yandle.

I bet most people, if they didn't know already, would not guess Phil Kessel will be the NHL iron man if you gave them 25 guesses.


A good reason to go on a hot dog diet
RE: RE: I didn't realize Kessel  
pjcas18 : 8/24/2022 11:10 pm : link
In comment 15790719 Anakim said:
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In comment 15790718 pjcas18 said:


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is the current "iron man" in the NHL and if he plays 10 games next year he takes over the all-time lead from Yandle.

I bet most people, if they didn't know already, would not guess Phil Kessel will be the NHL iron man if you gave them 25 guesses.



A good reason to go on a hot dog diet


and he's a pretty funny guy too:

Alex Texier  
pjcas18 : 8/25/2022 7:58 am : link
to enter substance abuse program and miss 2022-2023.

hope he gets the help he needs.

.  
pjcas18 : 8/26/2022 3:47 pm : link
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CapFriendly
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We are down to 18 RFAs remaining!

Some notable players include: Dach (MTL), Sandin (TOR), Robertson & Oettinger (DAL), Brännström (OTT)

https://capfriendly.com/rfas

RE: I didn't realize Kessel  
Eric on Li : 8/26/2022 3:59 pm : link
In comment 15790718 pjcas18 said:
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is the current "iron man" in the NHL and if he plays 10 games next year he takes over the all-time lead from Yandle.

I bet most people, if they didn't know already, would not guess Phil Kessel will be the NHL iron man if you gave them 25 guesses.


not even kidding but he's a great case study for those that think excessive training leads to injuries. though he may be in a very small subset of pro athletes skilled enough to remain effective pro athletes with a dad bod.
RE: RE: I didn't realize Kessel  
pjcas18 : 8/26/2022 4:16 pm : link
In comment 15792673 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15790718 pjcas18 said:


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is the current "iron man" in the NHL and if he plays 10 games next year he takes over the all-time lead from Yandle.

I bet most people, if they didn't know already, would not guess Phil Kessel will be the NHL iron man if you gave them 25 guesses.



not even kidding but he's a great case study for those that think excessive training leads to injuries. though he may be in a very small subset of pro athletes skilled enough to remain effective pro athletes with a dad bod.


very true and I bet he's one of those athletes that despite his appearance he's in incredible physical shape.

I was never more pissed to get out of a 6am dropoff when my daughter was scheduled to participate in the Amanda Kessel summer hockey camp in Worcester. I was looking forward to meeting her in person, lol. Total opposite in appearance to her brother.
the mannings are both probably on that list too but qb is another  
Eric on Li : 8/26/2022 4:22 pm : link
spot where skill can override athleticism. kerry collins was a pseudo iron man too and i think he once said that the 1x he got hurt as a giant he thought it was because he had lost weight and got in better shape (cant remember if it was a hamstring or sprained ankle).
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pjcas18 : 8/29/2022 1:33 pm : link
Eric Friesen 🏒
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Here's the list of players in NHL history with four Art Ross Trophies, two Hart Memorial Trophies, three Ted Lindsay Awards and five 100-point seasons by age 25. #Oilers

1. Wayne Gretzky

2. Connor McDavid

That's it.
no rings  
pjcas18 : 8/29/2022 1:35 pm : link
though for McDavid yet, Gretzky already had at least 1.
For NYI fans  
pjcas18 : 9/2/2022 11:01 am : link
great clip of Romanov here. This is a couple years ago, but he still loves this hip check/like entry to contact. Pretty text book hit though.


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RE: For NYI fans  
JayBinQueens : 9/2/2022 12:45 pm : link
In comment 15801562 pjcas18 said:
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great clip of Romanov here. This is a couple years ago, but he still loves this hip check/like entry to contact. Pretty text book hit though.
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Looking forward to getting to see him play regularly.

Yes, we all know the Isles need a game-changing scorer.

They do however have a great goalie tandem, a top-tier top 4 D and players who have some offensive skill.

Looking forward to seeing how much more open the offense is under Lambert, and how he juggles that with maintaining their shutdown D
Good move  
pjcas18 : 9/2/2022 6:21 pm : link
Vancouver #Canucks
@Canucks
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Vancouver Canucks General Manager Patrik Allvin announced today that the club has agreed to terms with center J.T. Miller on a 7-year contract worth a total $56 million.
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