NFT: NHL Draft/ NHL trades and FA

In comment 15759798 Greg from LI said:

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Granted, two of them were interim deals, but still - why hire a 67 year old Rick Bowness?

He's exactly who I was thinking of. Even guys like Michelle Therrien, Alan Vigneault, Claude Julien has a SC, but even Claude.

Marc Crawford won a Stanley cup in his 2nd year as a coach in COL. He then went 15 more years as a HC (probably be hired again soon too) with 4 teams and won 3 more playoff series in those 15 years (two of them the year after the SC win). None in his last 7 seasons.

not to pick on Marc.

In comment 15759805 Stu11 said:

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In comment 15759790 pjcas18 said: Quote: Not to pick on Ruff - there are dozens like him. Oh pick away! 😂🤣

Ruff deserves to be picked on.

I don't think Quinn is as bad as Ranger fans think but what an uninspiring hire. Take some risk.

Agreed with pj, it sucks. I'd rather see SJ reach for someone in Juniors or overseas.

Mainly it's about being behind the times. The other leagues used to be totally the same, but have evolved into thinking more outside the box and giving younger guys a shot. Then again you're talking about a league where N could easily stand for nepotism instead of National. Every year at least half the 1st Rd seems like they're the son or nephew of some former NHL'er

Kind of up there but next to Johnny Hockey he might score 50. To clear out cap space the trade Bjorkstrand to Seattle for 2023 3rd and 4th. Nice move for Seattle picking up a solid top 6 fwd for peanuts.

Matthew Tkachuk traded to Florida for Huberdeau, Weager, and a 1st.

In comment 15760579 Jay on the Island said:

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Matthew Tkachuk traded to Florida for Huberdeau, Weager, and a 1st.

Crazy return. I think Calgary won this

When you trade a superstar you almost never get even value back, but they did about as well as you can do.

Pretty cool to see an actual hockey trade and not just "futures for stud".

Hard to call a 115 point all star underrated, but I feel Huberdeau is underrated when people talk about stars of the league.

He and Weegar are impending Ufa.

If they can keep Huberdeau with an extension. Weegar is a good defenseman but both of their contracts are up at the end of the season. This will be a bad trade if Calgary loses both to free agency.

Good luck duplicating it. Florida knew it and sold for top dollar

And I agree, I think the Flames got the better end of the deal

In comment 15760589 Snablats said:

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Good luck duplicating it. Florida knew it and sold for top dollar

Scoring was way up in the league last year everyone had a career year including Tkachuk. Huberdeau has been a 90 point guy and the short season in 20-21 he scored well over a ppg. The key to the deal is being able to sign Huberdeau and Weegar. If they can Calgary made our great.

to replace Weegar. I would LOVE to get Anton Lundell, but we'd have to add.

In comment 15760650 Anakim said:

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to replace Weegar. I would LOVE to get Anton Lundell, but we'd have to add.

Have to add? Anakim, what are you drinking this AM? I'd love Lundell too (might be good for KK), but Lundkvist would not be nearly enough: Chytil (who would be pushed to 4C if not dealt), Schneider, and a #1, even that would not likely be enough. Then you have Trocheck: I think Lundell is a 2C, but Trocheck was 'promised' Panarin as one of his wingers.

Pie in the sky, my man

Hard to see how at this point in the off season any contender could have made that deal without sending significant $ back.

In comment 15760629 Stu11 said:

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In comment 15760589 Snablats said: Quote: Good luck duplicating it. Florida knew it and sold for top dollar Scoring was way up in the league last year everyone had a career year including Tkachuk. Huberdeau has been a 90 point guy and the short season in 20-21 he scored well over a ppg. The key to the deal is being able to sign Huberdeau and Weegar. If they can Calgary made our great.

61 pts in 55 games (1.1 pts ppg) in 20-21 is not "well over". Its a 90 pt pace for a full season. And he is 29, not 24 like Tkachuck. Florida chose to pay Tkachuck instead of Huberdeau - good choice

In comment 15760777 Snablats said:

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In comment 15760629 Stu11 said: Quote: In comment 15760589 Snablats said: Quote: Good luck duplicating it. Florida knew it and sold for top dollar Scoring was way up in the league last year everyone had a career year including Tkachuk. Huberdeau has been a 90 point guy and the short season in 20-21 he scored well over a ppg. The key to the deal is being able to sign Huberdeau and Weegar. If they can Calgary made our great. 61 pts in 55 games (1.1 pts ppg) in 20-21 is not "well over". Its a 90 pt pace for a full season. And he is 29, not 24 like Tkachuck. Florida chose to pay Tkachuck instead of Huberdeau - good choice

No duh. Of course you'd rather have Tkachuk. It wasn't a case of selling high though. It's not like Florida was shopping Huberdeau and Weegar around the league. This was a unique opportunity to get a budding star and they went for it.

I did not think Calgary would get a "Huberdeau" back.

Plus a Weegar.

I thought they'd get younger players/prospects or picks.

Kind of depends what CAL wants to do now, but if they want to rebuild they have two highly flippable pieces but they can also re-sign two top line (top wing and top D) players under 30 for the rest of their primes.

Florida somehow traded Huberdeau and Weegar, lost Giroux, Chiarot, and Marchment in free agency and arguably improved.

online the Canadiens still plan to trade Dvorak - less certain in the rumors about if it's to clear space for PLD.

I don't get the PLD non-commitment from WIN. He'll improve on the face-offs IMO.

He's 24 years old, .75 PPG player, good PP player, at worst a 2C.

I think the NHL is going to go into a pretty quiet period now that Tkachuk has been dealt. Maybe a trade here or there.

In comment 15761805 Stu11 said:

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I think the NHL is going to go into a pretty quiet period now that Tkachuk has been dealt. Maybe a trade here or there.

Kadri and Klingberg.

Klingberg is another one I am surpised is not signed.

You have someone like Darnell Nurse making 9M+ with term, but Klingberg can't get a contract?

He's a few years older, but I'd take Klingberg all day.

not exactly scientific, but maybe decent representation of fan sentiment.

Look at Seider already top 10. He is what Dahlin is supposed to be (and may eventually be)

Klingberg shows as a top pair D, based on the fan vote.

he has the look of a guy who is trending down but with good enough numbers that he's probably asking for more than teams are willing to pay because it wasn't so long ago he was getting post-season award votes.

kadri i think has a deal somewhere or at least deals he's been told will remain on the table for him because he's a very different profile (colorado being one, and id guess the isles another). entering his age 32 off a career year and a stanley cup there's never going to be a better offer than whatever he was already offered.

why is he still unannounced? i dont know but id probably guess lou over colorado, more because i dont think colorado would want to move any of their younger players to make cap room.

has had a strange career. #1 overall pick to disappointment to wait, he's not that disappointing to Hart trophy winner (with a different team), back to disappointment.

Klingberg has never had those peaks, but been more consistent.

I just don't think you see top pair RD's, worst case top 4 RD's sitting out there this long.

In comment 15762023 pjcas18 said:

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has had a strange career. #1 overall pick to disappointment to wait, he's not that disappointing to Hart trophy winner (with a different team), back to disappointment. Klingberg has never had those peaks, but been more consistent. I just don't think you see top pair RD's, worst case top 4 RD's sitting out there this long.

no huge disagreement - but his asks from dallas had to be pretty big bc they seemed to move on from extension talks pretty definitively despite him having been so productive there.

he has the raw point totals to justify asking for hamilton money, but apparently whatever he's been offered just hasn't been close enough to whatever his expectations are. then looking beyond the point totals his +/- has been going the wrong way with 4 straight seasons along with not getting norris votes after placing 6th or better in his first 3/4 years. most of his rate metrics have backslid also even though he's played fewer mpg with fewer dz starts.

if the isles had an opening at RD i'd 100% take him and just expect to shelter him as much as possible with an offensive role.

rated that low, almost as if his contract value gutted some rating sentiment. He is more than solid backliner, a warrior, and has some threat on the rush.

Why is it that German players drafted high seem to play consistently to their draft status, at least? e.g., Seider. Not based on anything more or less than impressionistic, I know.

Is too high. Bryam is going to be a star for a long time. Had concussion issues this past year but should take a huge jump next year.

I think the German thing is recency theory.

Draisaitl was the 1st German to go in the 1st round in a decade.

since then (2014) only Donimik Bokk (jury still out on him but not looking good), Reichel (see Bokk), Tim Stutzle and Moritz Seider.

that's it in the 1st round for Germans in the past 22 years.

the only notable Germans outside of the 1st round the past quarter century are:

Tobias Rieder (4th round)
Tom Kuhnhackl (4th round)
Phillip Grubauer (4th round)
Christian Erhoff (4th round)
Doug Seidenberg (6th round)

For the size of their country they should be better than some of the Nordic countries, but they're not.

In comment 15762298 pjcas18 said:

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I think the German thing is recency theory. Draisaitl was the 1st German to go in the 1st round in a decade. since then (2014) only Donimik Bokk (jury still out on him but not looking good), Reichel (see Bokk), Tim Stutzle and Moritz Seider. that's it in the 1st round for Germans in the past 22 years. the only notable Germans outside of the 1st round the past quarter century are: Tobias Rieder (4th round) Tom Kuhnhackl (4th round) Phillip Grubauer (4th round) Christian Erhoff (4th round) Doug Seidenberg (6th round) For the size of their country they should be better than some of the Nordic countries, but they're not.

Devils had a German Dman Uli Heimer back on the 80's was at the Byrne arena Halloween '85 he got a hat trick in a 7-6 loss to the Pens. It's the night I decided to become a Devs fan lol

player I remember was Uwe Krupp, the big defenseman.

Draisaitl is already the best German player ever. by far. Marco Sturm is next.

The Devils sign D Jonas Siegenthaler to a 5 year $17 million dollar contract extension.

In comment 15762773 Jay on the Island said:

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The Devils sign D Jonas Siegenthaler to a 5 year $17 million dollar contract extension.

wow I looooooove this! We absolutely stole him from the Caps at the deadline a a few years back. In 2 or 3 years this deal is gonna look even better. Love having him as a cornerstone piece on D locked up at a very affordable #. I generally liked some of the things Shero did, especially up till 2019. However from the Summer of Hughes/Subban on he was a disaster. Someone pointed out on twitter after the Marino trade this was the D Shero left behind:
Subban
Mirco Mueller
Vattanen
Conor Carrick
Wil Butcher
Severson

Fast forward to today:
Graves
Hamilton
Severson
Marino
Siegenthaler
B. Smith
R. Walsh
with Nemec & L. Hughes on the way by March.

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wow I looooooove this! We absolutely stole him from the Caps at the deadline a a few years back. In 2 or 3 years this deal is gonna look even better. Love having him as a cornerstone piece on D locked up at a very affordable #. I generally liked some of the things Shero did, especially up till 2019. However from the Summer of Hughes/Subban on he was a disaster. Someone pointed out on twitter after the Marino trade this was the D Shero left behind: Subban Mirco Mueller Vattanen Conor Carrick Wil Butcher Severson Fast forward to today: Graves Hamilton Severson Marino Siegenthaler B. Smith R. Walsh with Nemec & L. Hughes on the way by March.

I am very happy about this move. After this season Graves and Severson are UFA’s and Siegenthaler would have been an RFA. Of those three I wanted Siegenthaler back the most because he would be cheaper and he’s the best stay at home defenseman on the roster. I was expecting him to get $4-4.5 million AAV next offseason so I’m very happy to land him for $3.4 AAV.

As of now the 2023-24 D looks like:
Siegenthaler Hamilton
Hughes Marino
Bahl/Okhotiuk Nemec
Smith

The Devils really should look to move Severson now. Hopefully they can trade Graves by the deadline also if they are out of the hunt.

skaters prospect list yesterday.
Some highlights:
-Owen Power is #1
-Luke Hughes is #2 (He's gushing on him like he's in love)
-Wright #3 (top prospect just drafted)
-Nemec #4
-Cooley rounds out the top 5
-he has Beniers at #6
-Slaf is #10. He gives the usual breakdown on him- the eyes tell you he could be the best fwd prospect, the advanced stats kill him...
-Highest Ranger is Brennan Othmann at #33
- No Isle in the top 50

the rules he uses are that the guy can't be a regular in the NHL right now(I think Power is on the border here as he's most definitely going to be a regular on Buffalo's D this season) and they have to be under 23.
Link - ( New Window )

and Power finished last season with the NHL clubs.

Beniers even used up year 1 of his ELC with 10 games played.

Power did not use up 1 year of his ELC because he gets an ELC slide.

Both are listed on the NHL cap, from what I can tell.

surprised they count.

In comment 15762827 pjcas18 said:

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and Power finished last season with the NHL clubs. Beniers even used up year 1 of his ELC with 10 games played. Power did not use up 1 year of his ELC because he gets an ELC slide. Both are listed on the NHL cap, from what I can tell. surprised they count.

Yep I thought of Beniers too in that he finished the season with Seattle. Its hard to count them as they've clearly graduated. I think he said that they were really on the border. I think today he comes out with the goalies list. Will be interesting to see that.

Seattle had Beniers play the last game of the season. The final game of the season was his 10th game and that cost them probably $3M because it means his ELC can't slide and he used up year 1.

Power finished the season with 8 games, so basically it didn't count at all in his ELC because like Beniers he was 18 when he signed it.

of L. Hughes. Man in just a year his skating balance and strength has improved immeasurably. He's probably gonna play in the NHL at 6'2/200 or so. He and Nemec are gonna fit perfectly next to each other. They're opposite shots and Nemec has the skating ability and passing vision to put up nice offensive #'s but Hughes like to really lead the rush so they could be a great team together.

In comment 15762869 pjcas18 said:

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Seattle had Beniers play the last game of the season. The final game of the season was his 10th game and that cost them probably $3M because it means his ELC can't slide and he used up year 1. Power finished the season with 8 games, so basically it didn't count at all in his ELC because like Beniers he was 18 when he signed it.

I think they lucked out so much with Wright. He and Beniers are a damn nice way to start a franchise.

In comment 15762799 Stu11 said:

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skaters prospect list yesterday. Some highlights: -Owen Power is #1 -Luke Hughes is #2 (He's gushing on him like he's in love) -Wright #3 (top prospect just drafted) -Nemec #4 -Cooley rounds out the top 5 -he has Beniers at #6 -Slaf is #10. He gives the usual breakdown on him- the eyes tell you he could be the best fwd prospect, the advanced stats kill him... -Highest Ranger is Brennan Othmann at #33 - No Isle in the top 50 the rules he uses are that the guy can't be a regular in the NHL right now(I think Power is on the border here as he's most definitely going to be a regular on Buffalo's D this season) and they have to be under 23. Link - ( New Window )

Power shouldn't count as PJ mentioned so the Devils basically have the 1st and 3rd best prospects and both are defensemen. I will be shocked if Luke Hughes isn't in the NHL as soon as Michigan's season ends.

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Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli I’m told free agent defenseman John Klingberg has parted ways with longtime agent Peter Wallen. Klingberg is now being represented by Newport Sports Management.

I would imagine a 1 year pillow deal at some point in the next few weeks is in his future.

is such a fun player to watch, but #1? hmmm, not sure who I'd have ahead of him. I think I'm ok with him at 1.

I think there are some liberties here with player positions. Miller is a C, Stutzle is a C, Caufield mostly a RW, I guess if you played 1 game at LW you could be included.

That seems way too high

so results definitely can be skewed.

but Robo is awesome - even more so if you consider age, etc.

He just turned 23 last week and in his first two seasons he's playing right around a ppg pace. In 21 and 22 year old seasons combined he's got 125 games played 124 points.

while playing responsible defense.

he's in DAL so maybe he's not that well known, but I really can't argue with him at 11 with no specific criteria.

most of these guys after the top 10 are pretty interchangeable without much argument from me.

Excellent hire. He mainly coached the Vegas D from. 17-21 and by all accounts is a real solid coach. I have to say they may have not been successful with the sexy acquisition of either Gaudreau or Tkachuk but quietly they've had a solid Summer. They hopefully improved in goal, landed solid vet players who know how to win in Marino, Palat, and Haula and really improved their coaching staff at least under Ruff with guys from winning situations. With L. Hughes and Nemec hopefully arriving later in the season maybe the Devs can start being competitive again. Oh well the proof will have to be seen on the ice though...

overall seems like a weak position league wide.

Also some position liberties here too.

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In comment 15765853 pjcas18 said:

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