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NFT: Mets at Reds Game 2. Scherzer!

ZGiants98 : 7/5/2022 6:51 pm
Mets Lineup

Nimmo CF
Marte RF
Lindor SS
Alonso 1B
Canha LF
Escobar 3B
McNeil 2B
J.D. Davis DH
McCann C

Scherzer RHP (first start since May 18). LFGM!
First pitch is at 7:30  
ZGiants98 : 7/5/2022 6:53 pm : link
Due to weather delay.
Shreve DFA'd  
ZGiants98 : 7/5/2022 6:59 pm : link
For Scherzer.
Scherzer with a beautiful  
ZGiants98 : 7/5/2022 7:50 pm : link
1,2,3 first.
Ah  
Spider43 : 7/5/2022 7:50 pm : link
Big dog is back, finally.
97 on the black from  
ZGiants98 : 7/5/2022 8:15 pm : link
Scherzer. Welcome back.
Jonathan India  
five5 : 7/5/2022 8:37 pm : link
Guy looks totally lost at the plate. What happened to him?
with the Braves leading again, I'm trying to  
Rory : 7/5/2022 9:00 pm : link
anticipate what they do at the deadline this year.

closer could be an option since Jansen is hurt.

2b/utility is another need unless Albies comes back.

but would it be crazy to think that they target one of the top SP's like Luis Castillo?

Jansen is expected back soon  
Mike in NY : 7/5/2022 9:03 pm : link
Mets need to beef up their hitting against lefties
We need to fix DH.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/5/2022 9:09 pm : link
It's a real weakness that bites us when playing better teams.
Max makes it look easy  
Debaser : 7/5/2022 9:10 pm : link
A dominant performance
Mixes is in  
Debaser : 7/5/2022 9:11 pm : link
Freakin change up of all things….
RE: Jansen is expected back soon  
Eric on Li : 7/5/2022 9:13 pm : link
In comment 15747713 Mike in NY said:
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Mets need to beef up their hitting against lefties


if only we had someone in the minors slashing .290/.361/.758 for an 1.119 OPS against lefties with nine homers in 72 plate appearances.
Great work by Max. His pitch count is 70. I wonder how long they'll  
Ira : 7/5/2022 9:14 pm : link
let him pitch on his 1st game back.
RE: Jansen is expected back soon  
Rory : 7/5/2022 9:15 pm : link
In comment 15747713 Mike in NY said:
[quote] Mets need to beef up their hitting against lefties [/]

I was referring to the Braves.
I would think 3 maybe 4 batters depending on  
bhill410 : 7/5/2022 9:16 pm : link
How he gets on. That would put him around 85 or so.
1st pitch curve ball  
Debaser : 7/5/2022 9:27 pm : link
Totally fooling reds and makes it look so easy
This team  
seanr : 7/5/2022 9:27 pm : link
Is really struggling at the plate lately. Moves need to be made.
So now how are there Mets fans  
Debaser : 7/5/2022 9:31 pm : link
Over there? When I see it in Florida teams , Arizona teams , and even California teams — I just assume it’s former NYers. There are really NY transplants in Cincinnati
RE: I would think 3 maybe 4 batters depending on  
Mike in NY : 7/5/2022 9:32 pm : link
In comment 15747725 bhill410 said:
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How he gets on. That would put him around 85 or so.


He’s at 79 through 6. Another inning puts him at about 90-92. I say put him out there with someone like Ottavino or Rodriguez warming up just in case.
RE: This team  
Rory : 7/5/2022 9:35 pm : link
In comment 15747732 seanr said:
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Is really struggling at the plate lately. Moves need to be made.


Are you basing that on this game?
RE: RE: This team  
seanr : 7/5/2022 9:38 pm : link
In comment 15747737 Rory said:
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In comment 15747732 seanr said:


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Is really struggling at the plate lately. Moves need to be made.



Are you basing that on this game?
absolutely not but they were 2 games over 500 in June.
The Braves just continue to punish EVERYONE  
CooperDash : 7/5/2022 9:40 pm : link
Yes, they have a lollipop schedule for nearly ALL of June and July, but in the very rare cases that they play some better teams over these two months, they are beating them too.

This 3.5 game lead over the Braves now means nothing to me. We need to fix our warts in the DH role and against lefties if we have any intention of winning the division. Adding Max and deGrom is great, but they ain’t hitting. Maybe deGrom should, lol. I know that they will do something…and I’m very curious as to who they are targeting.
How can you be competitive  
Mike in NY : 7/5/2022 9:40 pm : link
If 1/3 of your lineup have OPS below .700 including one at a whopping .500 and your bench guys aren’t improvements?
RE: RE: This team  
CooperDash : 7/5/2022 9:43 pm : link
In comment 15747737 Rory said:
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In comment 15747732 seanr said:


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Is really struggling at the plate lately. Moves need to be made.



Are you basing that on this game?


Hold on, are you suggesting that they haven’t been struggling at the plate?
Wow  
ZGiants98 : 7/5/2022 9:44 pm : link
Francisco Alvarez is MLB Pipeline's #2 prospect in baseball.
Hitting with RISP is the basis of our issues - case in point…  
CooperDash : 7/5/2022 9:58 pm : link
From the beginning of the season through 5/31, the Mets were the best in MLB with RISP with a .294 average (Atlanta was ranked 20th in MLB during this time batting .230).

From 6/1 through today, the Mets are 19th in MLB with RISP and hitting .238 (while the Braves are 6th in MLB batting .270).

It’s not a small sample size. They need to figure some shit out. Trading for one decent hitter to DH isn’t going to fix the rest of the lineup.
RE: Hitting with RISP is the basis of our issues - case in point…  
Eric on Li : 7/5/2022 10:22 pm : link
In comment 15747756 CooperDash said:
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From the beginning of the season through 5/31, the Mets were the best in MLB with RISP with a .294 average (Atlanta was ranked 20th in MLB during this time batting .230).

From 6/1 through today, the Mets are 19th in MLB with RISP and hitting .238 (while the Braves are 6th in MLB batting .270).

It’s not a small sample size. They need to figure some shit out. Trading for one decent hitter to DH isn’t going to fix the rest of the lineup.


good post - you are right 1 hitter won't change everything but more than 1 thing went wrong the last month.

McNeil missed some games. Marte too. Nimmo too. Plummer was a literal auto out replacing them.

Escobar/JDD/Dom all slumped so guillorme had to play too much which got him in a slump.

injured guys are back now but the dh spot is still the biggest impact where change can happen. you cant have a designated hitter not hit.
I can’t stand Lugo  
CooperDash : 7/5/2022 10:34 pm : link
He’s gonna lose this game.
Yup  
CooperDash : 7/5/2022 10:36 pm : link
.
Tough loss  
ZGiants98 : 7/5/2022 10:37 pm : link
At least Scherzer is back. Win tomorrow.
What a waste.  
moze1021 : 7/5/2022 10:38 pm : link
Terrible job by the offense.

Pete needs to get going
Seemingly never good when Lugo  
nygfaninorlando : 7/5/2022 10:39 pm : link
pitches back to back days. Granted Marte should’ve caught the Pham double but the walk after the intentional walk was inexcusable and basically cost them the ball game.
A pitiful Reds team, with a pitcher coming off a long IL  
CooperDash : 7/5/2022 10:41 pm : link
stint, without their big hitter. And a gem thrown by Max. Stupid, stupid loss.

This team really needs to figure out their offensive issues.
Offensive and bullpen help is needed  
moespree : 7/5/2022 10:41 pm : link
Which is an obvious statement.
RE: Hitting with RISP is the basis of our issues - case in point…  
Shecky : 7/5/2022 10:42 pm : link
In comment 15747756 CooperDash said:
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From the beginning of the season through 5/31, the Mets were the best in MLB with RISP with a .294 average (Atlanta was ranked 20th in MLB during this time batting .230).

From 6/1 through today, the Mets are 19th in MLB with RISP and hitting .238 (while the Braves are 6th in MLB batting .270).

It’s not a small sample size. They need to figure some shit out. Trading for one decent hitter to DH isn’t going to fix the rest of the lineup.


To my eyes they must have fired the new approach and went all in in analytics when the clock struck midnight and a June began.
Can’t afford to lose a game like that  
nygfaninorlando : 7/5/2022 10:43 pm : link
to the worst team in the league starting a pitcher with an ERA over 4. Especially when the Braves are on fire.
RE: RE: Hitting with RISP is the basis of our issues - case in point…  
Eric on Li : 7/5/2022 10:45 pm : link
In comment 15747780 Shecky said:
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In comment 15747756 CooperDash said:


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From the beginning of the season through 5/31, the Mets were the best in MLB with RISP with a .294 average (Atlanta was ranked 20th in MLB during this time batting .230).

From 6/1 through today, the Mets are 19th in MLB with RISP and hitting .238 (while the Braves are 6th in MLB batting .270).

It’s not a small sample size. They need to figure some shit out. Trading for one decent hitter to DH isn’t going to fix the rest of the lineup.



To my eyes they must have fired the new approach and went all in in analytics when the clock struck midnight and a June began.


mute button liquid courage.
Gross loss.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/5/2022 10:48 pm : link
1-0 in that joke of a ballpark.


Three weeks ago they probably score 8 runs.

That Astros thrashing might have left them shook.
RE: Seemingly never good when Lugo  
Eric on Li : 7/5/2022 10:50 pm : link
In comment 15747777 nygfaninorlando said:
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pitches back to back days. Granted Marte should’ve caught the Pham double but the walk after the intentional walk was inexcusable and basically cost them the ball game.


don't think there was another option bc Buck says Ottavino was unavailable?

bottomline is any 1-0 loss is on the offense. the bottom 1/3 of the order has been brutal for a month. mind boggling they didn't give vientos a chance a couple weeks ago, and now it seems like they are just trying to justify a bad decision or afraid to reverse themselves or punish anyone at the mlb level like Dom or JDD.

buck and eppler are on a really nice honeymoon because in years past met fans would have been in a frenzy about it just like conforto in 2015 and alonso in 2018.
Smith and Davis are automatic outs  
moespree : 7/5/2022 10:54 pm : link
Smith looks completely washed as a major leaguer already. Maybe a change of scenery will help him but I have my doubts.

You cannot have the type of production out of the DH spot the team is getting. It's actually pathetic how bad the production from that spot is.
also in 2 weeks if Alvarez is hitting the same way he did in AA  
Eric on Li : 7/5/2022 10:55 pm : link
he's going to be in a similar position. All 3 of the catchers have .500 OPS' right now. There is no reason to keep protecting guys who aren't performing.
RE: Smith and Davis are automatic outs  
Eric on Li : 7/5/2022 10:58 pm : link
In comment 15747786 moespree said:
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Smith looks completely washed as a major leaguer already. Maybe a change of scenery will help him but I have my doubts.

You cannot have the type of production out of the DH spot the team is getting. It's actually pathetic how bad the production from that spot is.


for the year the mets DH has combined to be worth (negative) -.5 FWAR. Triple slash is .220/.297/.326 which are almost as low as Robinson Cano's numbers as a met earlier this year that got him DFA'd. It's odd that accountability stopped with him.
RE: RE: RE: Hitting with RISP is the basis of our issues - case in point…  
CooperDash : 7/5/2022 11:23 pm : link
In comment 15747782 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15747780 Shecky said:


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In comment 15747756 CooperDash said:


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From the beginning of the season through 5/31, the Mets were the best in MLB with RISP with a .294 average (Atlanta was ranked 20th in MLB during this time batting .230).

From 6/1 through today, the Mets are 19th in MLB with RISP and hitting .238 (while the Braves are 6th in MLB batting .270).

It’s not a small sample size. They need to figure some shit out. Trading for one decent hitter to DH isn’t going to fix the rest of the lineup.



To my eyes they must have fired the new approach and went all in in analytics when the clock struck midnight and a June began.



mute button liquid courage.


Lol

However, if he suggests Plawecki for DH then he’s getting the same treatment.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Hitting with RISP is the basis of our issues - case in point…  
Shecky : 7/5/2022 11:32 pm : link
In comment 15747792 CooperDash said:
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In comment 15747782 Eric on Li said:



Lol

However, if he suggests Plawecki for DH then he’s getting the same treatment.

LOL
All I know is we sure could use his arm in our bullpen right now…
shecky for the love of plawecki pls give us a breadcrumb re vientos  
Eric on Li : 7/5/2022 11:38 pm : link
what conceivable pedantic box do they need to see him check before realizing his ability to hit the ball very hard is worth it? i get that he k's a lot but he's also very consistently walked. what am i missing?
RE: RE: Smith and Davis are automatic outs  
dannysection 313 : 7/6/2022 12:09 pm : link
In comment 15747789 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15747786 moespree said:


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Smith looks completely washed as a major leaguer already. Maybe a change of scenery will help him but I have my doubts.

You cannot have the type of production out of the DH spot the team is getting. It's actually pathetic how bad the production from that spot is.

for the year the mets DH has combined to be worth (negative) -.5 FWAR. Triple slash is .220/.297/.326 which are almost as low as Robinson Cano's numbers as a met earlier this year that got him DFA'd. It's odd that accountability stopped with him.


At this point, I walk out of the room with other things to do at night whenever JD, Smith, or McCann come to the plate...."automatic out" doesn't do them justice. Dom shows some hope since his call-up, but JD (who seems like a good teammate) is on the wrong side of 30 and hasn't been able to catch up with a high heater all season. Enough with this guy....I think he may be DFA'd if and when a trade happens.

Regarding McCann, this is the trouble with bad contracts...not only do you have to pay the guy, but you (at least it seems in every sport) have to play them too, hoping you'll get some ROI...When McCann comes up with runners on and less than 2 outs, I count anything that's not a DP as a win...Nido's swing is too long, but he seems to hit a bit with RISP..

So, if Pete, Lindor, Squirrel, etc, have an off game, there are too many other dead spots to pick them up.

Escobar has been bad too, but shows some signs of life....
Difference between winning the division and getting a wild card  
Metnut : 7/6/2022 12:47 pm : link
Is either something like getting to host the MIL vs SF series winner with a fresh pitching staff or having to win a best of 3 versus SF/SD/STL and then turning around the next day and travelling to Atlanta to start a series vs them if we're fortunate enough to win the best of 3.
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