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NGT: Baker Mayfield traded to Carolina

Burt64 : 7/6/2022 1:37 pm
for a 5th round pick.

A new QB in Carolina: The #Panthers are acquiring former No. 1 overall pick Baker Mayfield from the #Browns for a 2024 conditional 5th-round draft pick, sources tell me and @TomPelissero. Deal is pending a physical. All parties split the financials to make it happen.
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A conditional 5th two years away?  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 7/6/2022 1:40 pm : link
I’d rather have a medium Pepsi!
ouch  
mattlawson : 7/6/2022 1:44 pm : link
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RE: A conditional 5th two years away?  
rnargi : 7/6/2022 1:51 pm : link
In comment 15748032 HopePhil and Optimistic said:
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I’d rather have a medium Pepsi!


Well played, well played!

First domino to fall. Jimmy G should be moving on soon
Browns agree to pay 10.5 mil  
ZogZerg : 7/6/2022 1:52 pm : link
Of bakers salary
Panthers pay 5 mil
Baker takes pay cut as well.
Carolina is starting to  
Tom from LI : 7/6/2022 1:54 pm : link
collect former 1st round QB's
I hope they pick up Josh Rosen  
cjac : 7/6/2022 1:54 pm : link
to be the 3rd stringer
RE: Browns agree to pay 10.5 mil  
rnargi : 7/6/2022 1:57 pm : link
In comment 15748038 ZogZerg said:
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Of bakers salary
Panthers pay 5 mil
Baker takes pay cut as well.


He can earn all that "paycut" back via incentives
i forgot  
cjac : 7/6/2022 1:58 pm : link
they drafted Matt Corral
RE: Carolina is starting to  
kcgiants : 7/6/2022 1:59 pm : link
In comment 15748039 Tom from LI said:
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collect former 1st round QB's

Maybe they would trade for Daniel Jones next year. LOL
RE: ouch  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/6/2022 2:01 pm : link
In comment 15748034 mattlawson said:
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No kidding.
Certainly makes our home opener  
bLiTz 2k : 7/6/2022 2:01 pm : link
more entertaining.
Sam Darnold  
Gman11 : 7/6/2022 2:12 pm : link
Future USFL all-star.
Cleveland QB  
Archer : 7/6/2022 2:14 pm : link
So Jacoby Brissett will be the Browns starting QB for next year or longer, with Joshua Dobbs as his backup.


What is the Browns problem?  
Debaser : 7/6/2022 2:17 pm : link
They didn't like how Baker handled it?

It just seem slike if anyone should be pissed its Baker.

shrewd. no costing CLE $50 million for a QB who won't play  
Victor in CT : 7/6/2022 2:20 pm : link
this year. brilliant.
RE: What is the Browns problem?  
djm : 7/6/2022 2:23 pm : link
In comment 15748053 Debaser said:
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They didn't like how Baker handled it?

It just seem slike if anyone should be pissed its Baker.


Baker should be grateful he’s employed. Why should he be pissed off? He isn’t that good and the browns wanted to upgrade qb.

Baker would be starting in Cleveland if he was good. He isn’t. He’s average.
RE: What is the Browns problem?  
djm : 7/6/2022 2:23 pm : link
In comment 15748053 Debaser said:
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They didn't like how Baker handled it?

It just seem slike if anyone should be pissed its Baker.


Baker should be grateful he’s employed. Why should he be pissed off? He isn’t that good and the browns wanted to upgrade qb.

Baker would be starting in Cleveland if he was good. He isn’t. He’s average.
Mayfield said it himself  
UConn4523 : 7/6/2022 2:26 pm : link
he's never playing for them again, why is this a surprise?
RE: RE: What is the Browns problem?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/6/2022 2:27 pm : link
In comment 15748056 djm said:
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In comment 15748053 Debaser said:


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They didn't like how Baker handled it?

It just seem slike if anyone should be pissed its Baker.




Baker should be grateful he’s employed. Why should he be pissed off? He isn’t that good and the browns wanted to upgrade qb.

Baker would be starting in Cleveland if he was good. He isn’t. He’s average.


He did everything we would want a QB to do. Not use injuries as an excuse, play with a torn labrum in his shoulder, and a bad knee. Yeah he wasn't great considering the injuries We still want players to play hurt. I get the hard feelings considering he was dumped for a sex offender.
Browns could not have screwed this up more if they tried  
mikeinbloomfield : 7/6/2022 2:40 pm : link
A conditional 5th rounder for their starting QB and are now staring at Jacoby Brisset for a year maybe. Ha ha ha ha ha!

Hope  
Toth029 : 7/6/2022 2:42 pm : link
Baker does well. But I don't like Rhule and his style.
RE: Cleveland QB  
NINEster : 7/6/2022 2:58 pm : link
In comment 15748052 Archer said:
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So Jacoby Brissett will be the Browns starting QB for next year or longer, with Joshua Dobbs as his backup.



I see a possible New England reunion soon in Cleveland.
Maybe the Giants can trade them Saquon...  
sb from NYT Forum : 7/6/2022 2:58 pm : link
...and then Carolina will have the top 3 picks of the 2018 draft!

#domination
Funny that Macadoo is going to be his OC  
Blue Dream : 7/6/2022 3:00 pm : link
He rated every QB from the 2018 class including Mason Rudolph ahead of Mayfield. Said he was a poor athlete with small hands.
"I cannot believe the Giants took Daniel Jones. It blows my mind,  
Ben in Tampa : 7/6/2022 3:04 pm : link
Some people overthink it. That’s where people go wrong. They forget you’ve gotta win." - Baker Mayfield
It was a decent pickup  
upnyg : 7/6/2022 3:06 pm : link
for Carolina for $5m. I would have been fine if the Giants did that instead of Taylor and let him compete with Jones.
...  
christian : 7/6/2022 3:07 pm : link
If Jones has the year heatlthy Mayfield did in 2020, there will be a number of posters wanting to give him 35M+ AAV.
RE: RE: RE: What is the Browns problem?  
djm : 7/6/2022 3:09 pm : link
In comment 15748060 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 15748053 Debaser said:


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They didn't like how Baker handled it?

It just seem slike if anyone should be pissed its Baker.




Baker should be grateful he’s employed. Why should he be pissed off? He isn’t that good and the browns wanted to upgrade qb.

Baker would be starting in Cleveland if he was good. He isn’t. He’s average.



He did everything we would want a QB to do. Not use injuries as an excuse, play with a torn labrum in his shoulder, and a bad knee. Yeah he wasn't great considering the injuries We still want players to play hurt. I get the hard feelings considering he was dumped for a sex offender.


yea i mean look if he was dumped simply because of the injuries ok fine, but I just don't think the guy is that good to begin with. He had a damn good team around him and never really scored many points or won that much. He's ok, you can do worse that's for sure, but if I am a team like the Browns with a window to compete for the next few year I want more out of the QB than just rah rah placeholder.
So is the assumption that he's starting?  
Debaser : 7/6/2022 3:09 pm : link
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RE: ...  
djm : 7/6/2022 3:12 pm : link
In comment 15748097 christian said:
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If Jones has the year heatlthy Mayfield did in 2020, there will be a number of posters wanting to give him 35M+ AAV.


You can't resist can you lol.

No, I won't advocate for that kind of deal or at least I would feel some trepidation about it but not every statistical compiled season is created equally. Context...it's kind of a big deal.

i've been screaming here Baker is overrated for a couple of years now  
djm : 7/6/2022 3:15 pm : link
I haven't changed a bit. I liked BAker coming out...was ok with his first 2-3 years but to me the cracks started to show more and more the last 2 years or so.

Every play seems to be a designed rollout. He can't see the entire field. He's tough to be sure. He's vocal ( couldn't care less really) and you can win with him, but you won't win because of him. THat's why the Browns looked to Watson.

Baker is average. He's the very embodiment of average. He won't move the needle in Carolina but he won't be Sam Darnold either. Not a bad move to get him there.
RE: RE: RE: RE: What is the Browns problem?  
NINEster : 7/6/2022 3:15 pm : link
In comment 15748101 djm said:
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They didn't like how Baker handled it?

It just seem slike if anyone should be pissed its Baker.




Baker should be grateful he’s employed. Why should he be pissed off? He isn’t that good and the browns wanted to upgrade qb.

Baker would be starting in Cleveland if he was good. He isn’t. He’s average.



He did everything we would want a QB to do. Not use injuries as an excuse, play with a torn labrum in his shoulder, and a bad knee. Yeah he wasn't great considering the injuries We still want players to play hurt. I get the hard feelings considering he was dumped for a sex offender.



yea i mean look if he was dumped simply because of the injuries ok fine, but I just don't think the guy is that good to begin with. He had a damn good team around him and never really scored many points or won that much. He's ok, you can do worse that's for sure, but if I am a team like the Browns with a window to compete for the next few year I want more out of the QB than just rah rah placeholder.


Mayfield's biggest problem is his attitude.

I think he has decent QBing ability and moxie, but absolute garbage leadership abilities.

One of the least mature NFL QBs over the last two decades.
He proved a capable game manager  
Lines of Scrimmage : 7/6/2022 3:22 pm : link
with a outstanding OL and running game. They supported him well for his rookie contract but you could tell they had concerns with him throwing the ball down field and schemed accordingly imv.

He asked to be traded and they wanted a upgrade. Hard to bring that combo back to your team. Now they have the Watson issue to deal with.
RE: ...  
UConn4523 : 7/6/2022 3:24 pm : link
In comment 15748097 christian said:
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If Jones has the year heatlthy Mayfield did in 2020, there will be a number of posters wanting to give him 35M+ AAV.


I don't think so, atleast not any serious posters. You didn't earn $35m with 1 above average year of football. And 2020 Baker didn't score 30 times, even prorated for 17 games.

But I'll take having that problem, I'm confident Schoen would do the right thing.
Browns vs Panthers  
Sy'56 : 7/6/2022 3:37 pm : link
Week 1
And  
AcidTest : 7/6/2022 3:41 pm : link
that ladies and gentlemen is why the Browns are the Browns. The Watson trade was awful, and as soon as it was made whatever little value Mayfield had plummeted.

Carolina obviously has no confidence in Darnold. Nor should they. He'll likely be cut at the end of the year.
Yikes!  
Grey Pilgrim : 7/6/2022 3:41 pm : link
Brutal.
RE: And  
Debaser : 7/6/2022 3:45 pm : link
In comment 15748127 AcidTest said:
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that ladies and gentlemen is why the Browns are the Browns. The Watson trade was awful, and as soon as it was made whatever little value Mayfield had plummeted.

Carolina obviously has no confidence in Darnold. Nor should they. He'll likely be cut at the end of the year.


How do you really know that? Maybe since they were able to pick him up for a song figured -- why not?
...  
christian : 7/6/2022 3:46 pm : link
If Jones wins 11/12 regular season games, wins a playoff game, and has 28/9 3800 YD in his contract year, I think plenty of BBIers would support paying Jones in the midrange for veteran starting QBs.
Wait so was Carolina able to snag a Baker mayfield  
Debaser : 7/6/2022 3:51 pm : link
for cheaper than what we are paying our back up? I mean say what you will about Glennon but, at least he was not a 9 mil a year (with incentives) back up.
6 letters,quarterback or another word for chef  
ghost718 : 7/6/2022 3:55 pm : link
I think I got another

Ironic that two of the newest owners...  
Racer : 7/6/2022 4:00 pm : link
..who have only distinguished themselves in their failed attempts to learn 'how' to own in the NFL are doing business together.
I think they got an absolute bargain  
Festina Lente : 7/6/2022 4:31 pm : link
Shrewd move by Carolina
RE: ...  
BigBlueShock : 7/6/2022 4:35 pm : link
In comment 15748136 christian said:
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If Jones wins 11/12 regular season games, wins a playoff game, and has 28/9 3800 YD in his contract year, I think plenty of BBIers would support paying Jones in the midrange for veteran starting QBs.

Not me. But so what if there are some fans on BBI that would be ok with that after a season like that? What’s your point?
RE: RE: ...  
christian : 7/6/2022 4:59 pm : link
In comment 15748181 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 15748136 christian said:


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If Jones wins 11/12 regular season games, wins a playoff game, and has 28/9 3800 YD in his contract year, I think plenty of BBIers would support paying Jones in the midrange for veteran starting QBs.


Not me. But so what if there are some fans on BBI that would be ok with that after a season like that? What’s your point?


My point is Mayfield just a season ago played at a level I believe a lot of fans would find very attractive if Jones hit.

And that 35M AAV is the going rate for a guy in the second tier of starting veteran starters.

So if Jones duplicates Mayfield's 2020, in 2022 what would you do?
......  
Route 9 : 7/6/2022 5:00 pm : link
I definitely think Jones can get 28 TDs ...

If you total his throwing TDs from 2020, 2021 and 2022.
RE: RE: RE: ...  
BigBlueShock : 7/6/2022 5:06 pm : link
In comment 15748203 christian said:
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If Jones wins 11/12 regular season games, wins a playoff game, and has 28/9 3800 YD in his contract year, I think plenty of BBIers would support paying Jones in the midrange for veteran starting QBs.


Not me. But so what if there are some fans on BBI that would be ok with that after a season like that? What’s your point?



My point is Mayfield just a season ago played at a level I believe a lot of fans would find very attractive if Jones hit.

And that 35M AAV is the going rate for a guy in the second tier of starting veteran starters.

So if Jones duplicates Mayfield's 2020, in 2022 what would you do?

That’s a tough question. I’m not Jones’ biggest fan based on previous results so it’ll take a lot to impress me. There are many variables at play. If I had to answer right now without any other context and he put up those numbers and led them to a playoff win? Based on where that would put them in the draft and assuming no other better options available, I’m signing him to the franchise tag. It would be costly but I’d want to see more evidence that he’s finally ready to be a franchise QB. One outlier season isn’t enough to commit to a long term deal. Do it again and we’ll talk
Odds on Mayfield tossing the keys....  
MOOPS : 7/6/2022 5:11 pm : link
to the stadium into Lake Erie?
Mayfield coasted to get that though  
UConn4523 : 7/6/2022 5:26 pm : link
less than 3600 is paltry, meaning, he didn't really do a whole lot to get those TD's. He managed the games, nothing more. That offense went through the run game - 150 ypg on almost 5 yards per carry and 21 scores.

17 of his TD's were inside the 10, 11 inside the 5. I don't know how that stacks up against the rest of the league as far as TD %, but it shows me that he specifically doesn't really do much downfield despite having a great run game.

So if Jones has that type of year then no, you don't pay him $35m per year because it would mean that the run game is carrying the team.
RE: Odds on Mayfield tossing the keys....  
BamaBlue : 7/6/2022 5:39 pm : link
In comment 15748213 MOOPS said:
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to the stadium into Lake Erie?


Bazinga!
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