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Entering into Dark Daniel era?

broadbandz : 7/24/2022 7:31 pm
With Daniel not having a contract next yr. Who else thinks we're going to see a ruthless Daniel on and off the field? Imagine all the abuse since day 1 this terrible fanbase has directed toward him for the failure of others. Most notably ownership.

I would not give a single person in this org or fan the benefit of the doubt. Short non-answers to the media. Do as little as possible off-field interactions. Essentially the Jay Cutler approach.

Jordan, Kobe, and Brady are all giant assholes. It fuels their will and drive. I think Daniel has been far too nice on and off the field. It's time to be ruthless. Yell at Slayton for dropping easy passes. Beat Toney's ass not knowing the plays. Even get physical with the oline for missed blocks. Get physical if needed with coaches; Rattle some cages!






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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/24/2022 7:34 pm : link
Please don't mention Daniel Fucking Jones in the same post as Michael Jordan, Kobe, & TB.
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I am Ninja : 7/24/2022 7:37 pm : link
Good approach. You should be an agent.


SF whoever you are, is it really necessary for you to use obscenity to  
plato : 7/24/2022 7:37 pm : link
express yourself or can you not think clearly.
this post is deranged  
Producer : 7/24/2022 7:38 pm : link
you are engaging in fantasy that Daniel Jones, who has not been good, is somehow going to become awesome because he's been too nice.
My only hope for Daniel Jones  
cjac : 7/24/2022 7:40 pm : link
Fewer fumbles

When he’s on the field that is.

Actually I have one other hope. It’s him wearing a different uniform in 2023
Great athletes have abilities  
81_Great_Dane : 7/24/2022 7:50 pm : link
that some would call... unnatural.
Get physical with the coaches?  
Jersey Heel : 7/24/2022 7:55 pm : link
Are you a moron?
RE: SF whoever you are, is it really necessary for you to use obscenity to  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/24/2022 7:57 pm : link
In comment 15761488 plato said:
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express yourself or can you not think clearly.


What?
RE: Great athletes have abilities  
Optimus-NY : 7/24/2022 7:58 pm : link
In comment 15761504 81_Great_Dane said:
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that some would call... unnatural.


“ Once you start down the dark path,  
Ben in Tampa : 7/24/2022 8:00 pm : link
forever will it dominate your destiny. Consume you, it will.”

RE: RE: Great athletes have abilities  
81_Great_Dane : 7/24/2022 8:02 pm : link
In comment 15761518 Optimus-NY said:
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that some would call... unnatural.



That's the quote!
Dark Daniel can learn from Smokin' Jay.  
Optimus-NY : 7/24/2022 8:13 pm : link
RE: RE: Great athletes have abilities  
FStubbs : 7/24/2022 8:57 pm : link
In comment 15761518 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 15761504 81_Great_Dane said:


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that some would call... unnatural.





A QB rushing for 80 yards on a play and not scoring a TD is pretty unnatural.
While opinions may vary about his talents and expectations for his  
Mad Mike : 7/24/2022 8:58 pm : link
2022 performance, I think we all know what to expect with respect to the kind of person he is. He'll work hard, drawing praise from teammates and coaches in that regard, and be generally friendly, if somewhat bland, in interactions with the press and fans. Not sure why anyone would expect that to change now, and it won't.
Assaulting coaches always works well  
eric2425ny : 7/24/2022 9:10 pm : link
ask Latrell Sprewell lol.
Nothing triggers bbi  
djm : 7/24/2022 9:20 pm : link
Like Daniel jones talk. It’s ok.. take a deep breath people.
Could be another dark era....after a dark era.  
Kev in Cali : 7/24/2022 9:29 pm : link
Dave Brown, Kent Graham, Danny Kanell, Kerry collins, Kurt Warner.....

Daniel  
Spider43 : 7/24/2022 9:39 pm : link
Darko.
Not his style  
The_Boss : 7/24/2022 10:00 pm : link
Dumb thread.
Too many  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/24/2022 10:07 pm : link
people are really overthinking this.

Jones' leash is likely all but gone. If he doesn't perform THIS year, he's gone.

I think things are going to get very interesting...  
bw in dc : 7/24/2022 10:19 pm : link
when we hear how good Taylor looks in practice compared to Jones.
RE: Too many  
Producer : 7/24/2022 10:19 pm : link
In comment 15761640 Eric from BBI said:
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people are really overthinking this.

Jones' leash is likely all but gone. If he doesn't perform THIS year, he's gone.


amen.. put up or shut up time.
Ah, the birth of the measurement unit: leash!  
NYRiese : 7/24/2022 10:21 pm : link
Daniel Jones is measured at about 1/4 leash!
Run Danny Run!  
Optimus-NY : 7/24/2022 10:21 pm : link
Danny Be Good!

RE: I think things are going to get very interesting...  
Producer : 7/24/2022 10:21 pm : link
In comment 15761651 bw in dc said:
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when we hear how good Taylor looks in practice compared to Jones.


I don't think Taylor will look better. But he might look more consistent. Jones' fatal flaw is that when he opens up his game, he makes too many mistakes. And when he turtles, he can't put points on the board. Taylor isn't good either, but he has an identity. He's ultra conservative, and in that style, negligibly effective.
A tiger  
Les in TO : 7/24/2022 10:37 pm : link
Is not going to change his stripes. He’s not an a hole and never will be. Just like Eli was an easy going dude who didn’t show his teammates up.
not for nothing,  
bluefin : 7/24/2022 10:37 pm : link
his demeanor is pretty serious lately
Jones will be vastly improved from last year  
kelly : 7/24/2022 11:03 pm : link
Problem is the bar is so low is vastly improved going to get him a second contract with the Giants.
RE: ...  
Route 9 : 7/24/2022 11:30 pm : link
In comment 15761483 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Please don't mention Daniel Fucking Jones in the same post as Michael Jordan, Kobe, & TB.


Or Jay Cutler. He's not even tbat good lol
RE: RE: ...  
Optimus-NY : 7/24/2022 11:50 pm : link
In comment 15761698 Route 9 said:
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Please don't mention Daniel Fucking Jones in the same post as Michael Jordan, Kobe, & TB.



Or Jay Cutler. He's not even tbat good lol


RE: RE: RE: Great athletes have abilities  
Optimus-NY : 7/24/2022 11:58 pm : link
In comment 15761572 FStubbs said:
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that some would call... unnatural.







A QB rushing for 80 yards on a play and not scoring a TD is pretty unnatural.


RE: My only hope for Daniel Jones  
Jack Stroud : 7/25/2022 12:04 am : link
In comment 15761490 cjac said:
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Fewer fumbles

When he’s on the field that is.

Actually I have one other hope. It’s him wearing a different uniform in 2023
Well, if he is hit less in the back by 350ld dlinemen and 250 LBers I suspect he will have fewer fumbles! Are you prepared for years and years of qb search?
disagree with 8 needing to be an asshole.......  
thrunthrublue : 7/25/2022 12:14 am : link
Take the Eli route young man.......work the hardest....and this has the most work you need to get after......don't choke in the big moments......that may get you a couple a rings, or if not, journeyman backup here you come!
How about he starts with winning more games than losing  
sb from NYT Forum : 7/25/2022 1:55 am : link
...when's the last time he's done that, middle school?
Sounds like a winning strategy for DJ...  
Jimmy Googs : 7/25/2022 2:03 am : link
...make your peers and others hate you.

One less thing in the PRO column...
RE: My only hope for Daniel Jones  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/25/2022 7:17 am : link
In comment 15761490 cjac said:
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Fewer fumbles

When he’s on the field that is.

Actually I have one other hope. It’s him wearing a different uniform in 2023


You already got your wish.

This is one of the myths surrounding Jones that simply won't go away due to his rookie season. You see "expert analysts" still misidentifying the problem:

Daniel Jones fumbles by year:

2019: 18 (lost 11)
2020: 11 (lost 6)
2021: 7 (lost 3)

For comparison, Eli's last four full years, he fumbled 11, 7, 11, and 7 times per season.

RE: Could be another dark era....after a dark era.  
joeinpa : 7/25/2022 7:40 am : link
In comment 15761610 Kev in Cali said:
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Dave Brown, Kent Graham, Danny Kanell, Kerry collins, Kurt Warner.....


Umm…Collins took the Giants to a Super Bowl, but…..ok.
RE: How about he starts with winning more games than losing  
Mattman : 7/25/2022 7:49 am : link
In comment 15761728 sb from NYT Forum said:
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...when's the last time he's done that, middle school?


No, he didn’t have the talent around him needed to succeed in middle school.
RE: RE: My only hope for Daniel Jones  
Scooter185 : 7/25/2022 7:51 am : link
In comment 15761714 Jack Stroud said:
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In comment 15761490 cjac said:


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Fewer fumbles

When he’s on the field that is.

Actually I have one other hope. It’s him wearing a different uniform in 2023

Well, if he is hit less in the back by 350ld dlinemen and 250 LBers I suspect he will have fewer fumbles! Are you prepared for years and years of qb search?


Lol years and years of a QB search?
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NYG22 : 7/25/2022 8:38 am : link
If we read the actual OP, there is no comparison whatsoever to Brady, MJ etc. (he's merely talking about a possible mindset tweak).

Any ya think we can see if he can be solid if given the benefit of things like a decent OL, running game, creative coaching staff? As Eric said, just see what he can do this year. If its crap, he's gone. If not, maybe he bucks the odds and has a future here.
RE: not for nothing,  
Optimus-NY : 7/25/2022 8:39 am : link
In comment 15761673 bluefin said:
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his demeanor is pretty serious lately


RE: How about he starts with winning more games than losing  
TommyWiseau : 7/25/2022 8:40 am : link
In comment 15761728 sb from NYT Forum said:
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...when's the last time he's done that, middle school?


Before he wins more games he needs to figure out how to get the damn ball in the end zone. You aren’t winning sh*t by tossing 10 TDs a year
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Klaatu : 7/25/2022 8:41 am : link
I love it, dark Daniel period.  
MartyNJ1969 : 7/25/2022 8:45 am : link
This is awesome, hope it stick.
We never saw it from Eli, and  
CT Charlie : 7/25/2022 9:41 am : link
we'll never see it from Daniel.

RE: RE: My only hope for Daniel Jones  
joeinpa : 7/25/2022 10:00 am : link
In comment 15761755 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15761490 cjac said:


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Fewer fumbles

When he’s on the field that is.

Actually I have one other hope. It’s him wearing a different uniform in 2023



You already got your wish.

This is one of the myths surrounding Jones that simply won't go away due to his rookie season. You see "expert analysts" still misidentifying the problem:

Daniel Jones fumbles by year:

2019: 18 (lost 11)
2020: 11 (lost 6)
2021: 7 (lost 3)

For comparison, Eli's last four full years, he fumbled 11, 7, 11, and 7 times per season.


Eric, we ve reached a point where the narrative is more important than the facts where Daniel Jones fumbling is concerned.

RE: I love it, dark Daniel period.  
Optimus-NY : 7/25/2022 11:08 am : link
In comment 15761797 MartyNJ1969 said:
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This is awesome, hope it stick.



RE: SF whoever you are, is it really necessary for you to use obscenity to  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/25/2022 11:08 am : link
In comment 15761488 plato said:
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express yourself or can you not think clearly.

Your next worthwhile contribution here will be your first.

No fucking obscenity required.
RE: RE: My only hope for Daniel Jones  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/25/2022 11:10 am : link
In comment 15761755 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15761490 cjac said:


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Fewer fumbles

When he’s on the field that is.

Actually I have one other hope. It’s him wearing a different uniform in 2023



You already got your wish.

This is one of the myths surrounding Jones that simply won't go away due to his rookie season. You see "expert analysts" still misidentifying the problem:

Daniel Jones fumbles by year:

2019: 18 (lost 11)
2020: 11 (lost 6)
2021: 7 (lost 3)

For comparison, Eli's last four full years, he fumbled 11, 7, 11, and 7 times per season.

This is true. And it's also come at the cost of whatever limited playmaking ability DJ has being neutered in order to limit his mistakes.

Also, related, we should be looking at fumbles per game, not per season. Looking at the full season numbers gives DJ credit for "improving" his fumbles while he's missing games.
Jones’ fumbles per game is close to the same  
cosmicj : 7/25/2022 1:36 pm : link
In 2020 (14 starts) and 2021 (11 starts). He improved after 2019 but the last two seasons have been level.
You know, I might be able to do something with this.  
Klaatu : 7/25/2022 1:42 pm : link
Dark Dan, maybe? Let me know what you think.

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Like when hogan turned heel  
mattlawson : 7/25/2022 8:53 pm : link
And went Hollywood?
RE: Like when hogan turned heel  
Optimus-NY : 7/25/2022 11:09 pm : link
In comment 15762452 mattlawson said:
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And went Hollywood?




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