Incredibly insightful info from the GOAT film analyst Greg Cosell on Inside the Birds about the #Giants re: Daniel Jones, Joe Judge and Brian Daboll
Doing a quick thread w/ key takeaways
From what Greg heard, JJ wouldn't allow a a single mistake to happen. He would freak out for any kind of error. This is a horrific way to coach, obv, but it can also have a debilitating impact on a QB no matter who the QB is. "It was almost as if you weren't allowed to make a mistake." Serves as a viable excuse for DJ to me. That's two years of his career listening to/playing under that kind of nasty environment (I still have no clue why JJ was celebrated for winning a few games down the stretch of 2020 against backup/out of league QBs).
Dabes will be the total opposite style coach. He'll let the QB make mistakes while getting a feel for what he CAN do well. This, more than anything to me, could have the biggest impact on DJ realizing his potential despite it being Year 4. Judge's no-mistake environment is gone.
Now as for DJ, Cosell liked his game film more than the consensus. Per Cosell, "At his core DJ is a pocket passer playing in rhythm and DJ showed the ability to be decisive with his throws on 3rd downs." Third downs = money downs and Cosell likes what DJ has shown on film there
Cosell is very excited about the #Giants offense schematically. Talked about the mix of quick game + vertical concepts. Talked about Kafka bringing over what he learned from the best route designer (IMO) ever in Andy Reid. Talked about the #Giants leaning on three-level route concepts with a vertical element like flood. Personally, I LOVE to hear this. Flood concepts put a lot of stress on the defense -- specifically the second and third levels. I'm very excited to see the mix of Daboll/Kafka on tape.
Cosell is also excited about the #Giants going away from using so many TEs/RBs to chip/help in pass pro leaving them w/ so many 3-man routes vs. 7-man coverages. I CONCUR! We saw this far too often on film and Dabes/Kafka's history suggests We won't be seeing much of it in the new offense. Very good news schematically speaking.
Cosell also LOVED #Giants 3rd-rd pick Josh Ezeudo's tape. He also spoke w/ a UNC coach who raved about this diamond in the rough. Cosell thinks he'll be starting for them at some point.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/DanSchneierNFL/status/1552063969891942400
And I would add, that you should try to be more respectful of fellow posters, rather than adopting this unnecessarily sarcastic, and combative, tone. It's not warranted. You are advocating a highly speculative position that Jones will be good enough for us with a better supporting cast. Better, sure, but good enough, it's a highly dubious claim. So you shouldn't behave like you have concrete science behind you. All you have is faith. You should adopt a more humble and circumspect posture. We have all seen enough football to know that careers that start like Jones' generally fizzle. It is an exceedingly improbable outcome that Daniel Jones will transform into a great QB - which is what we need.
And I would add, that you should try to be more respectful of fellow posters, rather than adopting this unnecessarily sarcastic, and combative, tone. It's not warranted. You are advocating a highly speculative position that Jones will be good enough for us with a better supporting cast. Better, sure, but good enough, it's a highly dubious claim. So you shouldn't behave like you have concrete science behind you. All you have is faith. You should adopt a more humble and circumspect posture. We have all seen enough football to know that careers that start like Jones' generally fizzle. It is an exceedingly improbable outcome that Daniel Jones will transform into a great QB - which is what we need.
Are you serious? Don’t you see the comedy in your posts? First off, I attack your claim regarding Garret’s reason – and your 2nd sentence to me is exactly what I said about you- that you make things up. So – what did you do? – You imply that I suggested Jones would be great? It’s incredible. It’s incredible. Most people have a knee-jerk reflex but you – you take it up a notch. When someone disagrees with an absurd point you make, you respond so quickly like the knee-jerk reflex and double-down with another lunatic make-believe comment implying that I think Jones will be great. You’re a natrual bullshitter. You didn’t find your comments funny?
And you’re right – I apologize if my post was harsh. I truly apologize. I guess sometimes it’s not funny but amazement. Amazement in that so many of your posts are filled with such bullshit that no one could compare to the make-believe crap you post. I mean even when confronted with the comment innuendo from Garrett , you basically called him a liar by him stating it was the OLINE. Ofc it’s not you just throwing out more bullshit just like your implication that I suggested Jones would be great, right? SO the article I provided is bullshit. Garrett is saying bullshit. But you the an anonymous poster on BBI that has an infatuation with Jones, isn’t,, right? LMAO.
It's just so funny you are trying to twist the argument to "Jones being a great QB" when maybe other than 1 or 2 extreme posters might have said it a long time ago. You've invented a comment from others in your own mind and now you are using it to deflect from your lunatic comment abut the coaches and Jones. More examples of just complete bullshit. You can't help yourself, can you?
Again - you stay away from the subject. And now I'm about "Histrionics?" Before that you implied that I said Jones would be great? To be able to bullshit is so natural with you, isn't it?
Again in the article it says Garrett implies that the OLINE is the problem and you basically suggest he is lying. It doesn't fit your argument so ofc he must be lying, right?>
And then you comically say you are a "Cosell Disciple?" Are you serious? Just wow!!!! And you are comically talking about real life? Holy crap.
Well tell me "Mr Disciple." Does Greg Cosell also go around all but calling Offensive Coordinators liars as you seem to be doing? Did you learn that from Greg Cosell teaching school, or is that just an added bonus you picked up on your own?
Thank you. That's all I'm saying.
Most of know Jones will probably be gone. But to pretend like the OLINE is just an excuse and then try to diminish the OL factor by comparing Jones to elite QB's that don't need an OLINE, or pretend like many posters on here had identified Jones as being "great," is just made up stuff.
It doesn't do anything for a conversation.
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losing your mind as if I said aliens have taken control of the Giants FO, or something equally absurd. Your histrionics are completely out of proportion. I have real-life worries to think about, I can't try to figure out why you are responding in a manner that's out of perspective. This, by the way, is a Cosell truism. I learned it from him. The coaches tell you what they think of a player by how they use him. It's simple really. You may not agree but to wave your arms and flap your gums shouting amazing and stunning... it just seems out of whack.
Again - you stay away from the subject. And now I'm about "Histrionics?" Before that you implied that I said Jones would be great? To be able to bullshit is so natural with you, isn't it?
Again in the article it says Garrett implies that the OLINE is the problem and you basically suggest he is lying. It doesn't fit your argument so ofc he must be lying, right?>
And then you comically say you are a "Cosell Disciple?" Are you serious? Just wow!!!! And you are comically talking about real life? Holy crap.
Well tell me "Mr Disciple." Does Greg Cosell also go around all but calling Offensive Coordinators liars as you seem to be doing? Did you learn that from Greg Cosell teaching school, or is that just an added bonus you picked up on your own?
I just have a different opinion than you. And it's a pretty clear opinion. And it's supported by the data. And rather than accept the idea that somebody has drawn a different conclusion than you have, you are straining, unsuccessfully, to discredit me.
And, no, I don't take any coaches word at face value. whether they are the coach at the moment, or a former coach. Most coaches are boring and imprecise. And the quote you put forward proves nothing either way.
But I'm sure you will continue this tactic of attacking me and making this about you and me rather than what this should be about: Is Daniel Jones good enough to be our QB. And as Sy is reporting from camp, Jones is air mailing passes over WRs heads. I guess the OL is still giving him fits, even in training camp.
Then the next play he holds the ball way too long and gets sacked.
I think play design can help with some of that. Quick throws, more screens and different types of screens etc . . But I think ultimately its an instinctual thing that is hard to really correct
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losing your mind as if I said aliens have taken control of the Giants FO, or something equally absurd. Your histrionics are completely out of proportion. I have real-life worries to think about, I can't try to figure out why you are responding in a manner that's out of perspective. This, by the way, is a Cosell truism. I learned it from him. The coaches tell you what they think of a player by how they use him. It's simple really. You may not agree but to wave your arms and flap your gums shouting amazing and stunning... it just seems out of whack.
Again - you stay away from the subject. And now I'm about "Histrionics?" Before that you implied that I said Jones would be great? To be able to bullshit is so natural with you, isn't it?
Again in the article it says Garrett implies that the OLINE is the problem and you basically suggest he is lying. It doesn't fit your argument so ofc he must be lying, right?>
And then you comically say you are a "Cosell Disciple?" Are you serious? Just wow!!!! And you are comically talking about real life? Holy crap.
Well tell me "Mr Disciple." Does Greg Cosell also go around all but calling Offensive Coordinators liars as you seem to be doing? Did you learn that from Greg Cosell teaching school, or is that just an added bonus you picked up on your own?
I just have a different opinion than you. And it's a pretty clear opinion. And it's supported by the data. And rather than accept the idea that somebody has drawn a different conclusion than you have, you are straining, unsuccessfully, to discredit me.
And, no, I don't take any coaches word at face value. whether they are the coach at the moment, or a former coach. Most coaches are boring and imprecise. And the quote you put forward proves nothing either way.
But I'm sure you will continue this tactic of attacking me and making this about you and me rather than what this should be about: Is Daniel Jones good enough to be our QB. And as Sy is reporting from camp, Jones is air mailing passes over WRs heads. I guess the OL is still giving him fits, even in training camp.
Hahahahaha – You just keep coming back for more with more comedy don’t you, Mr. Disciple. Hahahaha
So now I’m using “tactics?” Hahahhaha – So when I called you a bullshitter, you immediately respond by inferring that I suggested Jones would be great. But that wasn’t bullshit according to you?
And ofc, you all but call Garrett a liar. The Offensive Coordinator in the same article agrees with the notion that a team can’t do shit with an OLINE, along with PFF having not one but two years rating the Giants OL as 30th or worse and yet you feel making up things about me and calling Garrett a liar are not “tactics?” Yet I’m the one using them? Hahahhahaha
Ohh that’s right. You’re the self-proclaimed Disciple of Greg Cosell. And yet on other posts you have talked to me about aliens and the real world. OMG you are such a freaking nutjob.
Well, hey Mr. Disciple, here’s a quote form your Jedi Master, Gregg Cosell. I’m providing the link. You crack me up. You really think you are a Disciple. Hahahahaha
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https://www.yahoo.com/video/greg-cosell-offers-evaluation-giants-125512762.html
“At his core, he’s a pocket quarterback who is at his best playing with timing and rhythm,” Cosell said. “And he showed that pretty well on third down. He was very poised in the pocket, he knew where to go with the ball.
“In fact, I watched all of his third down drop backs. He was really efficient in the pocket, decisive with his reads and throws and the new coaching staff, that’s probably pretty exciting for them. I think when you watch Jones’ tape, you kind of feel like there’s something to work with and we can make this guy a quarterback.”
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And your comment of “most coaches are boring and imprecise.” . hahahahhaha – And what are you Mr. Disciple? Nothing but remains an anonymous behind a computer screen poster who makes up things as he goes along?
As I said before, you are very funny and you really can’t help yourself. The knee-jerk-reflex of saying outlandish things remains constant with you. Now according to you we’re not supposed to believe what coaches say but the “preciseness” of your own “evaluations?” Hahahahaha LMAO. Listening to what coaches say when you don’t agree with it – it’s called a tactic!! Hahahha LMAO.
Well kudos to you. You’re better than a classic Seinfeld episode.
It suggests that no matter who the QB was JJ's "horrific" reactions would have had such a "debilitating impact" that NO QB could have performed well.
It's a good thing that Parcells never yelled at Simms or Simms would have folded under the pressure.
Oh wait! Parcells did and Simms didn't.
That's a bad analogy. Parcells did yell at Simms but he also encouraged him to take chances and make mistakes. He once told Simms that if he didn't throw an INT he wasn't doing his job (meaning he was being too cautious and needed to take risks for the good of the team).