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Big Dex with a pass deflection on a Jones attempt
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We’re done. Let’s just say it was a rough day for Daniel Jones and the #Giants offense. Defense won the day. Dexter Lawrence spent the practice in the backfield. C Jon Feliciano was missed.
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Players not spotted at today’s practice: TE Ricky Seals-Jones, TE Jordan Akins, C Jon Feliciano and DL Nick Williams. Saw LB Darrian Beavers on the side at the start of practice but he didn’t participate.
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Giants’ first string offense was a mess today. Dexter Lawrence and the defense dominated. Lawrence for a second straight day. Very curious to hear Brian Daboll’s comments tomorrow AM
Bobby Skinner
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Giants Training Camp Day 3 thots
•Wink Martindale in his bag with exotic blitz packages w/ free rushers
•Darnay interception streak continues
•O-Line had some issues & would’ve had a few sacks
•Jones & Taylor both missed opportunities deep. Taylor had a dropped TD & INT deep
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We’re done. Let’s just say it was a rough day for Daniel Jones and the #Giants offense. Defense won the day. Dexter Lawrence spent the practice in the backfield. C Jon Feliciano was missed.
This Jordan Tweet was basically ever day from last year's training camp. I ignored it last year and said it was "training camp"--I am not ignoring it this year--he stinks.
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Daboll was as fired up as I’ve seen him. He was upset twice with corners making contact with receivers after catches, and then he shouted at the offensive sideline when there was big confusion getting the WR personnel on the field.
Justin Penik
@JustinPenik
Short practice summary:
Offense was sloppy. Defense looked fun and showed looks they haven’t shown yet. Wink was super aggressive today.
is still taping practice even though he was told not to.
Skinner and Justin posting video to Twitter all day. Dumb
who cares dude? You work for the giants? Some of you "fans" made no damn sense. Yeah lets root for Skinner to kicked out so we have zero video and just cream our pants imagining how bad Daniel did. Weirdos
confounded the O again, after Wink threw the kitchen sink at them, again.
Learning curve for the O.
Give them a few weeks to gain reads….it’s called PRACTICE for a reason.
If the O was beating everything Wink threw at them, you’d be dumping a Winks D as. Ineffective.
Line needs time to gel and be cohesive. It is nice for both tackles to get an electric pass rusher as "practice" though in comparison to the past several years. Obviously missing Feliciano is important. Hopefully he is able go stay jealthy; he isn't great by no means but Douglas being forced to start is very concerning. Hopefully Schoen has a plan there.
Daboll instructing the offense to take chances is fine. People here are weird. What isn't fine is seeing some drops. Slayton I expect but seems all but Wan'Dale has had trouble holding onto the ball.
U guys are killing me with DJ criticism on day 3 with no pads
Not a jones lover but geez, let him work thru the ups and downs of a new offense, 1week 1 of camp etc
He has the yr the flip or flop
I would guess maybe more flop but let in 0lay out. It’s July
this camp as Dabole told him to take chances to see what works and what doesn’t. Obviously, you also have everyone learning a new offense.
I know the haters will say this is making excuses, but only the coaches will truly understand DJ’s rate of progress in an accurate manner.
It's one thing to throw a pick on a down the field throw..it's another on a quick WR screen..
Actually its no. On a WR screen you need to throw quick and assume there is blocking happening, if you delay the play is dead. Regardless, anyone making any decision on a player in July practice #4 (or whatever) is really reaching to support an agenda. You aren't there, you don't know why, and you don't know what he is being told by the coaches. We have to give them the preseason at least to figure things out.
this camp as Dabole told him to take chances to see what works and what doesn’t. Obviously, you also have everyone learning a new offense.
I know the haters will say this is making excuses, but only the coaches will truly understand DJ’s rate of progress in an accurate manner.
It's one thing to throw a pick on a down the field throw..it's another on a quick WR screen..
Actually its no. On a WR screen you need to throw quick and assume there is blocking happening, if you delay the play is dead. Regardless, anyone making any decision on a player in July practice #4 (or whatever) is really reaching to support an agenda. You aren't there, you don't know why, and you don't know what he is being told by the coaches. We have to give them the preseason at least to figure things out.
Screens in general are "misdirection"/counter plays. The D is playing you one way and you call a screen to beat it typically.
Lets just say we had bad coaching staffs over and over and over again. Even Clawfin, HOF coach that he is, was not good at this.
Not a jones lover but geez, let him work thru the ups and downs of a new offense, 1week 1 of camp etc
He has the yr the flip or flop
I would guess maybe more flop but let in 0lay out. It’s July
Not a fan either but when you’re playing without pads and not hitting you would think DJ would be consistent be it day 1,2 or 3. Granted we all have bad days so let this one go but you expect him to be able to complete and perform at this stage of his career day after day.
about Jone's miscues, is that that's been the story with him all along. If it's about reacting to pressure, and he can't function under pressure, especially when there's no real hitting, it's a concern.
Had the passes today being 15/22. Lots of would-be sacks he mentions. With all the criticism at the pass game, you would have figured it's 5/22.
I don't know how the practice setting works with line calls and all that, but a backup tier/PS caliber C in there is not one I hope Schoen looks to be a key backup. Feliciano isn't injured thankfully but C is a critical position in finding out what the defense is doing.
Fingers cross that Gates is able to come back in the preseason and is able to show something. If he isn't, I suspect Schoen looks at cuts to find the 2022 backup C.
That said, I can't wait to see Martindale and his defense does this season. He has these guys already attacking good bookend tackles and getting free rushers.
to do his job, I don't get why Daboll's marriage/personal life is any of our business.
I'm happy to read a smart quote on this topic..Do you guys air your troubles at home to your fellow employees?? I know you don't...SO MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS..Just worry/talk about FOOTBALL...NY GIANTS football..
My goodness, we haven't had a Defensive Coordinator like this in a long, long time.
Take what you hear about the offense with a grain of salt because they are going against a wizard of a DC. It's like practicing against a Buddy or Rex Ryan D.
You wonder, at some point, if Daboll will require him to "call off the dogs" so they can get a somewhat normal look to practice against.
about Jone's miscues, is that that's been the story with him all along. If it's about reacting to pressure, and he can't function under pressure, especially when there's no real hitting, it's a concern.
That's why I really like the Tyrod Taylor signing. He's been on some bad teams over the years, and he usually makes them look better. I'm not trying to say Jones should be benched, but I do think Taylor is one of the better backup QB's in the NFL.
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The Giants worked on third-and-long during today's practice. The defense unveiled a six-DB package that featured Leonard Williams and Jihad Ward at the interior DL spots, Kayvon Thibodeaux and Oshane Ximines on the edge and Tae Crowder at MLB.
Adoree' Jackson and Aaron Robinson were the outside CBs with Darnay Holmes in the slot. Xavier McKinney, Julian Love and Dane Belton were at safety. Love primarily was in the box, Belton primarily was deep and McKinney moved all around.
Not doing a full practice report, so some quick observations from today:
• The offense again struggled with Wink's blitzes. Ximines would have had a sack when Jones held the ball forever on one play.
• Jamil Douglas had a low snap and gave up a pressure to Leonard Williams.
Dexter Lawrence was in the backfield all day and knocked down one pass at the line.
• Kayvon Thibodeaux beat Andrew Thomas inside with a quick move.
• The Giants ran a bunch of screens today, including some to the tight ends. Chris Myarick had 4 catches from Jones today.
Few depth chart notes:
• When the offense broke off for an install period, RBs Matt Breida and Antonio Williams, WRs David Sills and Darius Slayton, and OLs Josh Ezeudu and Ben Bredeson went with the starters. Bredeson got at least one live rep at RG with the 1's.
• Jarren Williams stepped for Xavier McKinney at safety with the first-team defense for a few reps.
The express purpose of today's practice was to put pressure on the offense and see how they react. That was the plan. After the practice is over, the coach or coaches will decide whether they can improve the execution against a strong defense or throw out plays that just won't work. You can focus on complaining about Jones if you like, but Daboll intended to make it tough on the offense for a reason. That's a successful practice because it had a purpose. That would be the point of view of the coach, not the fans. Iron sharpens iron.
Jamil Douglas was the one that I liked the least. I didn't hate the addition because he signed for the minimum and he has started but I did not expect him to make the team. According to todays reports it sounds like he struggled mightily filling in for Feliciano. I would like to see Bredeson and Garcia receive more playing time because it will be very concerning if Douglas has to start at any point this season.
The express purpose of today's practice was to put pressure on the offense and see how they react. That was the plan. After the practice is over, the coach or coaches will decide whether they can improve the execution against a strong defense or throw out plays that just won't work. You can focus on complaining about Jones if you like, but Daboll intended to make it tough on the offense for a reason. That's a successful practice because it had a purpose. That would be the point of view of the coach, not the fans. Iron sharpens iron.
Your post is spot on.
That said, certain guys are going to take their shots.
Which admittedly may be both wishful thinking (defense) and probably somewhat realistic (offense) —- the D has to prove its 1996-2002 good first, but if Thibs is the goods we have some players on the D that can carry the day and we have solid players to complement them. The 97 defense kicked the shit out of the offense too, early and often.
I think Taylor should be given the opportunity to compete for the starting QB this camp. That doesn't mean I necessarily think he is the best QB on the team. It also doesn't mean I hate Jones. I do, however, think Taylor might be the best QB on the team, which is more an indictment of our roster/personnel issues coming into this year than anything else. He is also the only QB under contract for next year. In my opinion, based on his contract and what we have seen of Jones thus far, Taylor has a better chance of being with the Giants next year than Jones. That my be backing up a rookie, depending on where we pick. But, either way, Jones should not be a lock. It can be his job to lose, but Taylor should at least have a shot to be in the game.
I said the same on the threads about him a week or two ago...Jimmy G is better than anyone on the Giants roster and potentially better than anyone they would select or sign next year. However, I would not trade for him. Given his injury history, I would stay away, especially with this new regime. I'd rather have as many draft picks possible and let them develop whoever it is we have at QB.
Whether it's Jones or Taylor, I expect better QB play this year and a better offense this year. I'd rather keep draft capital and see what happens, especially since this is not a team just a QB away from being a contender.
RE: I'll take Pat Leonard's Tweet one step further
I think Taylor should be given the opportunity to compete for the starting QB this camp. That doesn't mean I necessarily think he is the best QB on the team. It also doesn't mean I hate Jones. I do, however, think Taylor might be the best QB on the team, which is more an indictment of our roster/personnel issues coming into this year than anything else. He is also the only QB under contract for next year. In my opinion, based on his contract and what we have seen of Jones thus far, Taylor has a better chance of being with the Giants next year than Jones. That my be backing up a rookie, depending on where we pick. But, either way, Jones should not be a lock. It can be his job to lose, but Taylor should at least have a shot to be in the game.
What makes you think he isn't being given the chance? The coaches and GM are around these guys constantly, and they've determined Jones is the clear-cut starter.
Had the passes today being 15/22. Lots of would-be sacks he mentions. With all the criticism at the pass game, you would have figured it's 5/22.
I don't know how the practice setting works with line calls and all that, but a backup tier/PS caliber C in there is not one I hope Schoen looks to be a key backup. Feliciano isn't injured thankfully but C is a critical position in finding out what the defense is doing.
Fingers cross that Gates is able to come back in the preseason and is able to show something. If he isn't, I suspect Schoen looks at cuts to find the 2022 backup C.
You do realize it is highly unlikely Gates will see the field at any point this season?
I know the haters will say this is making excuses, but only the coaches will truly understand DJ’s rate of progress in an accurate manner.
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Big Dex with a pass deflection on a Jones attempt
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We’re done. Let’s just say it was a rough day for Daniel Jones and the #Giants offense. Defense won the day. Dexter Lawrence spent the practice in the backfield. C Jon Feliciano was missed.
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Players not spotted at today’s practice: TE Ricky Seals-Jones, TE Jordan Akins, C Jon Feliciano and DL Nick Williams. Saw LB Darrian Beavers on the side at the start of practice but he didn’t participate.
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Giants’ first string offense was a mess today. Dexter Lawrence and the defense dominated. Lawrence for a second straight day. Very curious to hear Brian Daboll’s comments tomorrow AM
Bobby Skinner
@BobbySkinner_
Giants Training Camp Day 3 thots
•Wink Martindale in his bag with exotic blitz packages w/ free rushers
•Darnay interception streak continues
•O-Line had some issues & would’ve had a few sacks
•Jones & Taylor both missed opportunities deep. Taylor had a dropped TD & INT deep
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Big Dex with a pass deflection on a Jones attempt
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@JordanRaanan
We’re done. Let’s just say it was a rough day for Daniel Jones and the #Giants offense. Defense won the day. Dexter Lawrence spent the practice in the backfield. C Jon Feliciano was missed.
This Jordan Tweet was basically ever day from last year's training camp. I ignored it last year and said it was "training camp"--I am not ignoring it this year--he stinks.
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Daboll was as fired up as I’ve seen him. He was upset twice with corners making contact with receivers after catches, and then he shouted at the offensive sideline when there was big confusion getting the WR personnel on the field.
Justin Penik
@JustinPenik
Short practice summary:
Offense was sloppy. Defense looked fun and showed looks they haven’t shown yet. Wink was super aggressive today.
I know the haters will say this is making excuses, but only the coaches will truly understand DJ’s rate of progress in an accurate manner.
For the most part that is true but staring down receivers, throwing picks and missing throws have nothing to do with a new offense.
Skinner and Justin posting video to Twitter all day. Dumb
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is still taping practice even though he was told not to.
Skinner and Justin posting video to Twitter all day. Dumb
He claimed people were sending it to him, which is probably true.
-Joe Schoen
2022 will tell his story no doubt
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is still taping practice even though he was told not to.
Skinner and Justin posting video to Twitter all day. Dumb
who cares dude? You work for the giants? Some of you "fans" made no damn sense. Yeah lets root for Skinner to kicked out so we have zero video and just cream our pants imagining how bad Daniel did. Weirdos
I don't want a ring on my hands if I have to demonstrate anything technical with hands, but he is the HC.
Learning curve for the O.
Give them a few weeks to gain reads….it’s called PRACTICE for a reason.
If the O was beating everything Wink threw at them, you’d be dumping a Winks D as. Ineffective.
Daboll instructing the offense to take chances is fine. People here are weird. What isn't fine is seeing some drops. Slayton I expect but seems all but Wan'Dale has had trouble holding onto the ball.
He has the yr the flip or flop
I would guess maybe more flop but let in 0lay out. It’s July
I know the haters will say this is making excuses, but only the coaches will truly understand DJ’s rate of progress in an accurate manner.
It's one thing to throw a pick on a down the field throw..it's another on a quick WR screen..
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Are any of the beats going to have some stones and ask Daboll why isn't he wearing his wedding ring?
I don't want a ring on my hands if I have to demonstrate anything technical with hands, but he is the HC.
I don't wear my ring at work because it's a safety hazard, but those silicone rings are pretty popular now.
I have one but it's a size too big and I haven't gotten another
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this camp as Dabole told him to take chances to see what works and what doesn’t. Obviously, you also have everyone learning a new offense.
I know the haters will say this is making excuses, but only the coaches will truly understand DJ’s rate of progress in an accurate manner.
It's one thing to throw a pick on a down the field throw..it's another on a quick WR screen..
Actually its no. On a WR screen you need to throw quick and assume there is blocking happening, if you delay the play is dead. Regardless, anyone making any decision on a player in July practice #4 (or whatever) is really reaching to support an agenda. You aren't there, you don't know why, and you don't know what he is being told by the coaches. We have to give them the preseason at least to figure things out.
He's technically not media
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this camp as Dabole told him to take chances to see what works and what doesn’t. Obviously, you also have everyone learning a new offense.
I know the haters will say this is making excuses, but only the coaches will truly understand DJ’s rate of progress in an accurate manner.
It's one thing to throw a pick on a down the field throw..it's another on a quick WR screen..
Actually its no. On a WR screen you need to throw quick and assume there is blocking happening, if you delay the play is dead. Regardless, anyone making any decision on a player in July practice #4 (or whatever) is really reaching to support an agenda. You aren't there, you don't know why, and you don't know what he is being told by the coaches. We have to give them the preseason at least to figure things out.
Screens in general are "misdirection"/counter plays. The D is playing you one way and you call a screen to beat it typically.
Lets just say we had bad coaching staffs over and over and over again. Even Clawfin, HOF coach that he is, was not good at this.
Stat line for the Bills. Josh Allen 22/37 206 yard 5.6 1td/OINT. Running game 16 carries for 32 yards.
Not the worst thing for our offense to struggle this camp in preparing for the season. Maybe our D has some talent.
Important thing is progress.
INTs in practice (week 1) is a non-issue.
Exactly…
‘If you don’t throw two interceptions today, you’re not taking enough chances’
He has the yr the flip or flop
I would guess maybe more flop but let in 0lay out. It’s July
Not a fan either but when you’re playing without pads and not hitting you would think DJ would be consistent be it day 1,2 or 3. Granted we all have bad days so let this one go but you expect him to be able to complete and perform at this stage of his career day after day.
I don't know how the practice setting works with line calls and all that, but a backup tier/PS caliber C in there is not one I hope Schoen looks to be a key backup. Feliciano isn't injured thankfully but C is a critical position in finding out what the defense is doing.
Fingers cross that Gates is able to come back in the preseason and is able to show something. If he isn't, I suspect Schoen looks at cuts to find the 2022 backup C.
I'm happy to read a smart quote on this topic..Do you guys air your troubles at home to your fellow employees?? I know you don't...SO MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS..Just worry/talk about FOOTBALL...NY GIANTS football..
I was curious to see what excuses would be offered up on Jones being, well, Jones.
Well done.
Take what you hear about the offense with a grain of salt because they are going against a wizard of a DC. It's like practicing against a Buddy or Rex Ryan D.
You wonder, at some point, if Daboll will require him to "call off the dogs" so they can get a somewhat normal look to practice against.
That's why I really like the Tyrod Taylor signing. He's been on some bad teams over the years, and he usually makes them look better. I'm not trying to say Jones should be benched, but I do think Taylor is one of the better backup QB's in the NFL.
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That slows down your reaction time and play time. Plus he has to unlearn what Jusge and Garrett drilled into him.
I was curious to see what excuses would be offered up on Jones being, well, Jones.
Well done.
Similarly, it’s going to take some time for BBI posters to “unlearn” the excuses they have developed posting about DJ for several years now…
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The Giants worked on third-and-long during today's practice. The defense unveiled a six-DB package that featured Leonard Williams and Jihad Ward at the interior DL spots, Kayvon Thibodeaux and Oshane Ximines on the edge and Tae Crowder at MLB.
Adoree' Jackson and Aaron Robinson were the outside CBs with Darnay Holmes in the slot. Xavier McKinney, Julian Love and Dane Belton were at safety. Love primarily was in the box, Belton primarily was deep and McKinney moved all around.
Not doing a full practice report, so some quick observations from today:
• The offense again struggled with Wink's blitzes. Ximines would have had a sack when Jones held the ball forever on one play.
• Jamil Douglas had a low snap and gave up a pressure to Leonard Williams.
Dexter Lawrence was in the backfield all day and knocked down one pass at the line.
• Kayvon Thibodeaux beat Andrew Thomas inside with a quick move.
• The Giants ran a bunch of screens today, including some to the tight ends. Chris Myarick had 4 catches from Jones today.
Few depth chart notes:
• When the offense broke off for an install period, RBs Matt Breida and Antonio Williams, WRs David Sills and Darius Slayton, and OLs Josh Ezeudu and Ben Bredeson went with the starters. Bredeson got at least one live rep at RG with the 1's.
• Jarren Williams stepped for Xavier McKinney at safety with the first-team defense for a few reps.
Similarly, it’s going to take some time for BBI posters to “unlearn” the excuses they have developed posting about DJ for several years now…
There are only a few posters who actually believe that Jones could still become the long term answer.
That said, certain guys are going to take their shots.
Kudos to Ron’s post. Agree with it completely
Whether it's Jones or Taylor, I expect better QB play this year and a better offense this year. I'd rather keep draft capital and see what happens, especially since this is not a team just a QB away from being a contender.
What makes you think he isn't being given the chance? The coaches and GM are around these guys constantly, and they've determined Jones is the clear-cut starter.
I don't know how the practice setting works with line calls and all that, but a backup tier/PS caliber C in there is not one I hope Schoen looks to be a key backup. Feliciano isn't injured thankfully but C is a critical position in finding out what the defense is doing.
Fingers cross that Gates is able to come back in the preseason and is able to show something. If he isn't, I suspect Schoen looks at cuts to find the 2022 backup C.