I'm surprised that people didn't notice is today focused on 3rd-and-long situations. Against Wink Martindale's defense.
Good point. Martindale actually is a reason I am a little excited for this year. Overall, I think our team is just going to fall a little short in a lot of games by virtue of being outclassed personnel-wise. But, I think his D will be a big reason we will be in a lot of games and they will be more fun to watch.
It also can't hurt for our offense to finally have a D like this to practice against. It should help us get better.
RE: RE: I'll take Pat Leonard's Tweet one step further
I think Taylor should be given the opportunity to compete for the starting QB this camp. That doesn't mean I necessarily think he is the best QB on the team. It also doesn't mean I hate Jones. I do, however, think Taylor might be the best QB on the team, which is more an indictment of our roster/personnel issues coming into this year than anything else. He is also the only QB under contract for next year. In my opinion, based on his contract and what we have seen of Jones thus far, Taylor has a better chance of being with the Giants next year than Jones. That my be backing up a rookie, depending on where we pick. But, either way, Jones should not be a lock. It can be his job to lose, but Taylor should at least have a shot to be in the game.
What makes you think he isn't being given the chance? The coaches and GM are around these guys constantly, and they've determined Jones is the clear-cut starter.
Before they saw either take a snap, it was made clear by Mara and then others followed suit, that Taylor was brought in to be the backup. That is the only decision thus far I really have a problem with by the new front office and staff because I think it is at least a possibility that Taylor is better. That is more an indictment of Jones than props to Taylor.
RE: I'll take Pat Leonard's Tweet one step further
I think Taylor should be given the opportunity to compete for the starting QB this camp. That doesn't mean I necessarily think he is the best QB on the team. It also doesn't mean I hate Jones. I do, however, think Taylor might be the best QB on the team, which is more an indictment of our roster/personnel issues coming into this year than anything else. He is also the only QB under contract for next year. In my opinion, based on his contract and what we have seen of Jones thus far, Taylor has a better chance of being with the Giants next year than Jones. That my be backing up a rookie, depending on where we pick. But, either way, Jones should not be a lock. It can be his job to lose, but Taylor should at least have a shot to be in the game.
I agree with this and think that generally every position should be open to competition. Obviously guys who have played at a high level consistently will not lose their jobs in camp, but there are virtually none of those on this team.
However, the Giants drafted Jones to be their starter and they are paying him $9M or so this year, and the guys behind him are what they are. With this QB room you should go into the season with him as the starter, but not be wed to having him go the entire season. If he struggles their is no reason to keep gathering additional data points that he is not an NFL QB. If Taylor gives you a better shot to win he should start.
If we're going to put stock in everything Mara said publicly, he also said he likes DJ but if Schoen/Daboll wanted to go in another direction it's their call.
They have no obligation to Jones. They could've cut Jones and traded for Jimmy G if they wanted. The simplest explanation is they've worked with both QBs every day and Jones is the starter.
confounded the O again, after Wink threw the kitchen sink at them, again.
Learning curve for the O.
Give them a few weeks to gain reads….it’s called PRACTICE for a reason.
If the O was beating everything Wink threw at them, you’d be dumping a Winks D as. Ineffective.
So true lol
RE: U guys are killing me with DJ criticism on day 3 with no pads
Not a jones lover but geez, let him work thru the ups and downs of a new offense, 1week 1 of camp etc
He has the yr the flip or flop
I would guess maybe more flop but let in 0lay out. It’s July
The critics of Jones have their minds made up. They will take every mistake he makes, mistakes that all quarterbacks make, and be convinced he stinks.
Some of us understand he has not been effective, but wanted to see another season. We also understand it is possible he has been “ Dereck Car ed”
He s a physically gifted athlete, he s been in a horrible situation, it might be too late for him, we will find out.
But the analzation of each play, each mistake, during the first 3 days of a new offense, is predictable and annoying.
RE: RE: U guys are killing me with DJ criticism on day 3 with no pads
Not a jones lover but geez, let him work thru the ups and downs of a new offense, 1week 1 of camp etc
He has the yr the flip or flop
I would guess maybe more flop but let in 0lay out. It’s July
The critics of Jones have their minds made up. They will take every mistake he makes, mistakes that all quarterbacks make, and be convinced he stinks.
Some of us understand he has not been effective, but wanted to see another season. We also understand it is possible he has been “ Dereck Car ed”
He s a physically gifted athlete, he s been in a horrible situation, it might be too late for him, we will find out.
But the analzation of each play, each mistake, during the first 3 days of a new offense, is predictable and annoying.
And the analyzation of each play goes both ways. Just like the back shoulder throw for a TD to Kardarius Toney the other day and the posts that followed it. It's not unexpected as we are finally seeing some football again after many months and posters are chiming in.
The predictable and annoying part is actually a post like yours bitching about it...
RE: RE: RE: U guys are killing me with DJ criticism on day 3 with no pads
Not a jones lover but geez, let him work thru the ups and downs of a new offense, 1week 1 of camp etc
He has the yr the flip or flop
I would guess maybe more flop but let in 0lay out. It’s July
The critics of Jones have their minds made up. They will take every mistake he makes, mistakes that all quarterbacks make, and be convinced he stinks.
Some of us understand he has not been effective, but wanted to see another season. We also understand it is possible he has been “ Dereck Car ed”
He s a physically gifted athlete, he s been in a horrible situation, it might be too late for him, we will find out.
But the analzation of each play, each mistake, during the first 3 days of a new offense, is predictable and annoying.
And the analyzation of each play goes both ways. Just like the back shoulder throw for a TD to Kardarius Toney the other day and the posts that followed it. It's not unexpected as we are finally seeing some football again after many months and posters are chiming in.
The predictable and annoying part is actually a post like yours bitching about it...
David Carr. Plus not bitching about any posts. Annoyed is not equivalent to asking someone to stop posting.
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Similarly, it’s going to take some time for BBI posters to “unlearn” the excuses they have developed posting about DJ for several years now…
There are only a few posters who actually believe that Jones could still become the long term answer.
It also can't hurt for our offense to finally have a D like this to practice against. It should help us get better.
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I think Taylor should be given the opportunity to compete for the starting QB this camp. That doesn't mean I necessarily think he is the best QB on the team. It also doesn't mean I hate Jones. I do, however, think Taylor might be the best QB on the team, which is more an indictment of our roster/personnel issues coming into this year than anything else. He is also the only QB under contract for next year. In my opinion, based on his contract and what we have seen of Jones thus far, Taylor has a better chance of being with the Giants next year than Jones. That my be backing up a rookie, depending on where we pick. But, either way, Jones should not be a lock. It can be his job to lose, but Taylor should at least have a shot to be in the game.
What makes you think he isn't being given the chance? The coaches and GM are around these guys constantly, and they've determined Jones is the clear-cut starter.
I agree with this and think that generally every position should be open to competition. Obviously guys who have played at a high level consistently will not lose their jobs in camp, but there are virtually none of those on this team.
However, the Giants drafted Jones to be their starter and they are paying him $9M or so this year, and the guys behind him are what they are. With this QB room you should go into the season with him as the starter, but not be wed to having him go the entire season. If he struggles their is no reason to keep gathering additional data points that he is not an NFL QB. If Taylor gives you a better shot to win he should start.
They have no obligation to Jones. They could've cut Jones and traded for Jimmy G if they wanted. The simplest explanation is they've worked with both QBs every day and Jones is the starter.
Learning curve for the O.
Give them a few weeks to gain reads….it’s called PRACTICE for a reason.
If the O was beating everything Wink threw at them, you’d be dumping a Winks D as. Ineffective.
So true lol
He has the yr the flip or flop
I would guess maybe more flop but let in 0lay out. It’s July
The critics of Jones have their minds made up. They will take every mistake he makes, mistakes that all quarterbacks make, and be convinced he stinks.
Some of us understand he has not been effective, but wanted to see another season. We also understand it is possible he has been “ Dereck Car ed”
He s a physically gifted athlete, he s been in a horrible situation, it might be too late for him, we will find out.
But the analzation of each play, each mistake, during the first 3 days of a new offense, is predictable and annoying.
Quote:
Not a jones lover but geez, let him work thru the ups and downs of a new offense, 1week 1 of camp etc
He has the yr the flip or flop
I would guess maybe more flop but let in 0lay out. It’s July
The critics of Jones have their minds made up. They will take every mistake he makes, mistakes that all quarterbacks make, and be convinced he stinks.
Some of us understand he has not been effective, but wanted to see another season. We also understand it is possible he has been “ Dereck Car ed”
He s a physically gifted athlete, he s been in a horrible situation, it might be too late for him, we will find out.
But the analzation of each play, each mistake, during the first 3 days of a new offense, is predictable and annoying.
Haha, please reach Derek Carr levels. We're waiting.
And the analyzation of each play goes both ways. Just like the back shoulder throw for a TD to Kardarius Toney the other day and the posts that followed it. It's not unexpected as we are finally seeing some football again after many months and posters are chiming in.
The predictable and annoying part is actually a post like yours bitching about it...
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In comment 15765799 Payasdaddy said:
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Not a jones lover but geez, let him work thru the ups and downs of a new offense, 1week 1 of camp etc
He has the yr the flip or flop
I would guess maybe more flop but let in 0lay out. It’s July
The critics of Jones have their minds made up. They will take every mistake he makes, mistakes that all quarterbacks make, and be convinced he stinks.
Some of us understand he has not been effective, but wanted to see another season. We also understand it is possible he has been “ Dereck Car ed”
He s a physically gifted athlete, he s been in a horrible situation, it might be too late for him, we will find out.
But the analzation of each play, each mistake, during the first 3 days of a new offense, is predictable and annoying.
Haha, please reach Derek Carr levels. We're waiting.
And the analyzation of each play goes both ways. Just like the back shoulder throw for a TD to Kardarius Toney the other day and the posts that followed it. It's not unexpected as we are finally seeing some football again after many months and posters are chiming in.
The predictable and annoying part is actually a post like yours bitching about it...
David Carr. Plus not bitching about any posts. Annoyed is not equivalent to asking someone to stop posting.