Believe me..players do get evaulated in practices under certain game situations...
Jones has 17 games to prove his value to the GM and HC...we shall see...
RE: What if Jason Garret wasn’t holding Jones back but
Golladay hasnt been good for us but he is not a guy that gets great separation, never has been. I dont think he will be here long. Its a bad signing but he will have a better season this year.
Barkley dropped a pass. BFD. He is probably going to get 100 thrown his way or more if healthy. I think he will have a great season in this O but I still think he will be elsewhere next season
Jones is the guy to pick on as usual. Nothing new here. e is again learning a new O and the coach wants him to throw into tight windows in practice. I think Jones will have a good season but that doesnt mean he will be the QB next year. If he again misses games with injury he will be on the way out regardless of his season. I think he can get into the top 15 in this offense. Does tat mean we pay him big money? No, I think regardless of his season, he will either be on a 1 year deal next year or he will be on another team. Schoen isnt going to pay him long term based off one season imo.
Was genuinely elevating his performance with his gameplanning?
That's how I view it myself. Jones is a QB that people pull for and looks the part of the good QB. The problem is he's never proven he can consistently be a good quarterback. How long are you supposed to wait for him to figure it out?
RE: RE: What if Jason Garret wasn’t holding Jones back but
I was in favor of giving Shurmur a third year, mainly to provide continuity for Jones and to avoid any “what if’s.”
Looking back at the 2019 season, Jones had a few huge games and a few disasters.
I always suspected Shurmur prioritized getting through the plays, and didn’t get after Jones about the fumbles. And that if he stayed, he would have slowly emphasized ball security as Jones mastered the field.
Fast-forward two years and we still don’t know if Jones is a guy who can go out and play aggressively and not the turn the ball over a lot.
I was in favor of giving Shurmur a third year, mainly to provide continuity for Jones and to avoid any “what if’s.”
Looking back at the 2019 season, Jones had a few huge games and a few disasters.
I always suspected Shurmur prioritized getting through the plays, and didn’t get after Jones about the fumbles. And that if he stayed, he would have slowly emphasized ball security as Jones mastered the field.
Fast-forward two years and we still don’t know if Jones is a guy who can go out and play aggressively and not the turn the ball over a lot.
Looking back at the 2019 season, Jones had a few huge games and a few disasters.
Jones has 37 career NFL starts and 45 TD passes. 3 games in 2019, against terrible defenses, account for 13 of his 45 TDs. 13 in 3 games, 32 in the other 34 games. Over a quarter (29%) of his touchdowns in 8% of his starts.
Looking back at the 2019 season, Jones had a few huge games and a few disasters.
Jones has 37 career NFL starts and 45 TD passes. 3 games in 2019, against terrible defenses, account for 13 of his 45 TDs. 13 in 3 games, 32 in the other 34 games. Over a quarter (29%) of his touchdowns in 8% of his starts.
Yup, and he had 6 fumbles in 2 games.
I've come to believe there's not much to glean from the rookie year. You take a way the 3 big games, and the 2 disaster games -- and the guy you get is pretty similar to the 2020 & 2021 version.
In comment 15768249 Greg from LI said:Looking back at the 2019 season, Jones had a few huge games and a few disasters.
Jones has 37 career NFL starts and 45 TD passes. 3 games in 2019, against terrible defenses, account for 13 of his 45 TDs. 13 in 3 games, 32 in the other 34 games. Over a quarter (29%) of his touchdowns in 8% of his starts./////
Yup, and he had 6 fumbles in 2 games.
I've come to believe there's not much to glean from the rookie year. You take a way the 3 big games, and the 2 disaster games -- and the guy you get is pretty similar to the 2020 & 2021 version.
Prolly valid takes.
Aside from the continual broadsides from the burn-him-in-the-pyre crowd, perhaps the (only) remaining questions are 1/for a slow-maturation/recognition mind and 2/exacerbated by the multiple scheme/regime change obstacle course: is there a point where it can come together for him after he unlearns all the prior 'learning' and OL sieve? It is understandable that there is real doubt.
The Mara mandate crowd will say he's on a longer leash than should be allowed, but I also feel that Schoen and Daboll, as knowledgeable professional football people, first here in years, would pursue this tack in any event.
I like the part where X says that Wan’Dale is a problem. A problem to cover! Get some little man! Make some plays and hit pay dirt rook!
X is standing out in camp too. Wearing the green dot, getting ready to bring the nasty blitz heavy always attack Wink style defense! Fuck yeah X man! Get some! T-bah-d’oh and Sexy Dexy and the Big Cat, Martinez is back, A-Rob - this defense is gonna be a lot better and especially so playing the easiest schedule in the NFL.
Honestly don’t give a fuck any more about Jones and Barkley. King is right that there’s no foreseeable scenario where Barkley is here next year. Stupid pick, way, way over hyped and almost certainly the biggest draft bust in NYG history. Run him into the ground hope for the best.
If Jones is gonna be the guy, he’s gonna be the guy. I don’t see it happening. Hope I’m wrong. If Jones sucks again this year I suppose that will help draft position. If he turns into a star - or even middle of the pack QB1 - I’ll be more than happy to eat my share of humble pie.
Kenny G hasn’t caught a TD in two seasons? Did I get that right? Or is it three? Terrible signing. But if he should get a lot of single coverage with Wan’Dale and KT or Shep on the field. We know Kenny G can catch the football whether he’s covered or not. So, bad signing but he can play a part when he’s healthy.
Things are looking up fella’s - camp so far is going great. Now I’m going to the Apple Store and then to Starbucks and to the Admirals Lounge where I’ll wait to board the plane to my daughter’s summer softball tourney.
Was genuinely elevating his performance with his gameplanning?
But how was it that Jones looked like a potentially decent quarterback under Shurmur?
Player performance varies by game. Sometimes they get hot, sometimes they slump. Jones’ 2019 performances, which came against bad opponents as was mentioned, no longer look glimmers of the future. They are outliers.
On the other side, Jones played an absolutely putrid game vs Carolina last season. Is he as bad a player as he showed that day? No, he’s better than that. That’s another outlier.
After 3 seasons those 2019 performances don’t mean that’s his future average. They are high points in a scatter plot where most of the points lie in the mediocre NFL player range.
I believe he’ll thrive this year with Kafka/Daboll planning. An absolute slam dunk, TO ME..Obviously, if he’s seriously hurt yet again, all bets are off. Otherwise, as with DJ, just you watch..😎
I think the more likely and prohibitive outcome isn’t a serious injury, but another ankle or knee sprain that takes him out for 4 games, and slows him for another few.
Could be, buddy
Let me rephrase that — I don’t think he’s more likely to get hurt than to have a great year.
I think it’s more likely if he gets hurt, it’ll be his ankle more than something serious.
Both JS and BD have been pretty tepid since they came in discussing Jones. Not negative but little to suggest they are 100% sold. They saw the QB class who came out in this recent class was pretty poor. Most of the posters who slam Jones the most were touting Willis/Corral as the right pick at 5. Look what the rest of the NFL thought. At least bw acknowledged it afterwards. The others....crickets.
If Jones does not perform well I don't think he will keep Taylor on the bench. He spent a long time with BB. Started with NS. He knows the best player plays and won't risk losing the respect of his players if it goes this way imv. He waited a long time to be a HC and I doubt he blows it over this.
Jones has 17 games to prove his value to the GM and HC...we shall see...
But how was it that Jones looked like a potentially decent quarterback under Shurmur?
Barkley dropped a pass. BFD. He is probably going to get 100 thrown his way or more if healthy. I think he will have a great season in this O but I still think he will be elsewhere next season
Jones is the guy to pick on as usual. Nothing new here. e is again learning a new O and the coach wants him to throw into tight windows in practice. I think Jones will have a good season but that doesnt mean he will be the QB next year. If he again misses games with injury he will be on the way out regardless of his season. I think he can get into the top 15 in this offense. Does tat mean we pay him big money? No, I think regardless of his season, he will either be on a 1 year deal next year or he will be on another team. Schoen isnt going to pay him long term based off one season imo.
That's how I view it myself. Jones is a QB that people pull for and looks the part of the good QB. The problem is he's never proven he can consistently be a good quarterback. How long are you supposed to wait for him to figure it out?
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Was genuinely elevating his performance with his gameplanning?
But how was it that Jones looked like a potentially decent quarterback under Shurmur?
Shurmur sucked as a HC but is a really good OC and absolutely great at making QBs look good.
Looking back at the 2019 season, Jones had a few huge games and a few disasters.
I always suspected Shurmur prioritized getting through the plays, and didn’t get after Jones about the fumbles. And that if he stayed, he would have slowly emphasized ball security as Jones mastered the field.
Fast-forward two years and we still don’t know if Jones is a guy who can go out and play aggressively and not the turn the ball over a lot.
Looking back at the 2019 season, Jones had a few huge games and a few disasters.
I always suspected Shurmur prioritized getting through the plays, and didn’t get after Jones about the fumbles. And that if he stayed, he would have slowly emphasized ball security as Jones mastered the field.
Fast-forward two years and we still don’t know if Jones is a guy who can go out and play aggressively and not the turn the ball over a lot.
If you don't know - you know.
Jones has 37 career NFL starts and 45 TD passes. 3 games in 2019, against terrible defenses, account for 13 of his 45 TDs. 13 in 3 games, 32 in the other 34 games. Over a quarter (29%) of his touchdowns in 8% of his starts.
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Looking back at the 2019 season, Jones had a few huge games and a few disasters.
Jones has 37 career NFL starts and 45 TD passes. 3 games in 2019, against terrible defenses, account for 13 of his 45 TDs. 13 in 3 games, 32 in the other 34 games. Over a quarter (29%) of his touchdowns in 8% of his starts.
Yup, and he had 6 fumbles in 2 games.
I've come to believe there's not much to glean from the rookie year. You take a way the 3 big games, and the 2 disaster games -- and the guy you get is pretty similar to the 2020 & 2021 version.
Jones has 37 career NFL starts and 45 TD passes. 3 games in 2019, against terrible defenses, account for 13 of his 45 TDs. 13 in 3 games, 32 in the other 34 games. Over a quarter (29%) of his touchdowns in 8% of his starts./////
Yup, and he had 6 fumbles in 2 games.
I've come to believe there's not much to glean from the rookie year. You take a way the 3 big games, and the 2 disaster games -- and the guy you get is pretty similar to the 2020 & 2021 version.
Prolly valid takes.
Aside from the continual broadsides from the burn-him-in-the-pyre crowd, perhaps the (only) remaining questions are 1/for a slow-maturation/recognition mind and 2/exacerbated by the multiple scheme/regime change obstacle course: is there a point where it can come together for him after he unlearns all the prior 'learning' and OL sieve? It is understandable that there is real doubt.
The Mara mandate crowd will say he's on a longer leash than should be allowed, but I also feel that Schoen and Daboll, as knowledgeable professional football people, first here in years, would pursue this tack in any event.
X is standing out in camp too. Wearing the green dot, getting ready to bring the nasty blitz heavy always attack Wink style defense! Fuck yeah X man! Get some! T-bah-d’oh and Sexy Dexy and the Big Cat, Martinez is back, A-Rob - this defense is gonna be a lot better and especially so playing the easiest schedule in the NFL.
Honestly don’t give a fuck any more about Jones and Barkley. King is right that there’s no foreseeable scenario where Barkley is here next year. Stupid pick, way, way over hyped and almost certainly the biggest draft bust in NYG history. Run him into the ground hope for the best.
If Jones is gonna be the guy, he’s gonna be the guy. I don’t see it happening. Hope I’m wrong. If Jones sucks again this year I suppose that will help draft position. If he turns into a star - or even middle of the pack QB1 - I’ll be more than happy to eat my share of humble pie.
Kenny G hasn’t caught a TD in two seasons? Did I get that right? Or is it three? Terrible signing. But if he should get a lot of single coverage with Wan’Dale and KT or Shep on the field. We know Kenny G can catch the football whether he’s covered or not. So, bad signing but he can play a part when he’s healthy.
Things are looking up fella’s - camp so far is going great. Now I’m going to the Apple Store and then to Starbucks and to the Admirals Lounge where I’ll wait to board the plane to my daughter’s summer softball tourney.
Because if he stumbles early, it's not hard for me to envision Jones's confidence tank quickly going to E.
So, I am hoping Daboll has the proverbial short lease and doesn't give Jones more than September to show he's good for a full year evaluation.
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Was genuinely elevating his performance with his gameplanning?
But how was it that Jones looked like a potentially decent quarterback under Shurmur?
Player performance varies by game. Sometimes they get hot, sometimes they slump. Jones’ 2019 performances, which came against bad opponents as was mentioned, no longer look glimmers of the future. They are outliers.
On the other side, Jones played an absolutely putrid game vs Carolina last season. Is he as bad a player as he showed that day? No, he’s better than that. That’s another outlier.
After 3 seasons those 2019 performances don’t mean that’s his future average. They are high points in a scatter plot where most of the points lie in the mediocre NFL player range.
Totally agree. Once they declared that Jones was staying for 2022, his scholarship - as Terps would say - was basically renewed.
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I think if we had a training camp competition between DJ & TT...TT would be the starter.
Totally agree. Once they declared that Jones was staying for 2022, his scholarship - as Terps would say - was basically renewed.
I don't think he's got much scholarship left, especially if camp and preseason continues to be poor
I think the more likely and prohibitive outcome isn’t a serious injury, but another ankle or knee sprain that takes him out for 4 games, and slows him for another few.
Could be, buddy
Let me rephrase that — I don’t think he’s more likely to get hurt than to have a great year.
I think it’s more likely if he gets hurt, it’ll be his ankle more than something serious.
If Jones does not perform well I don't think he will keep Taylor on the bench. He spent a long time with BB. Started with NS. He knows the best player plays and won't risk losing the respect of his players if it goes this way imv. He waited a long time to be a HC and I doubt he blows it over this.