Dan Salomone
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Daboll: “Big week ahead of us starting today. We’re in full pads.” There will be a heavy emphasis on the run game. “This is where the game is played.”
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants Daboll - might do some real tackling at some point in practice with 2s and 3s..feliciano day or two away from practicing
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants Daboll - lemieux did "good. it's a start" on giving h
im some snaps at center....rotating many reserves in that spot
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First-string center Jon Feliciano won’t be practicing today again, a 3rd straight missed. Brian Daboll says Feliciano is “working through some things” and will be out another day or two #Giants
Dan Salomone
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Daboll said Feliciano will not be back today. Hopefully tomorrow but maybe the next day. Daboll said it was good to get Lemieux some reps at center against the first team defense.
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants Daboll - worked with a lot of 7 on 7 in spring, so use the practice time for more positional work and 11 on 11
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants Daboll - some times in practice you just ask the QB to throw it up because you simply want to see how the DBs play that ball..
Dan Salomone
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Daboll said he was just talking to Toney this morning about position flexibility and adding something else to his plate. He said “oh yeah and had a big smile.”
Dan Salomone
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Daboll said he and Schoen have talked to the rookies multiple times about how to be a pro. He’s been pleased with how they’ve handled everything and credits Ashley Lynn in player engagement.
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants Daboll - some times in practice you just ask the QB to throw it up because you simply want to see how the DBs play that ball..
Yea but I think a lot of that was fan driven, and maybe a bit of damage control from the regime.
Remember, the fanbase knew we needed one bad and had no idea what we had in Gates. The Giants passed on Biadsz multiple times and took Shane in the 5th...I don't know how serious they were about "Shane can play center" unless of course Gates fell flat on his face.
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants Daboll - some times in practice you just ask the QB to throw it up because you simply want to see how the DBs play that ball..
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A very light rain is falling right now. We’ll see if they can keep practice outside or if it has to move indoors. #giants
Justin Penik
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Leonard Williams just messed up Mark Glowinski in 1v1’s. Messed up could be an exaggeration but this is a Leonard Williams stan account
Dexter Lawrence and Leonard Williams predictably dominated 1 on 1 rush drills. Oshane Ximines and Kayvon Thibodeaux also had some nice wins around the edge. #Giants #PFNTCTour
Bobby Skinner
@BobbySkinner_
Andrew Thomas locking up Kayvon Thibodeaux part 2 https://twitter.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1554114182668238853 - ( New Window )
Thibs looked like he would've run that rep if he didn't slip
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Matt Breida showing decisiveness and quickness In Hitting the hole. #giants
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants 11 on 11 - Jones completes dart over the middle to WRobinson (vs ARobinson) for a nice gain...Jones follows with a short rope of to Toney on the right sideline
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants Daboll - some times in practice you just ask the QB to throw it up because you simply want to see how the DBs play that ball..
That should be effortless for Daniel Jones
INTs have not been an issue for Jones. Where do people get this stuff from? His INT percentage has fallen every year, and was the same as Murray's in 2020 and better than Murray's and Herbert's in 2021, and better than two of Mahommes' four years as a starter (including 2021). His 1.9 INT percentage last year was better than Allen's 2.3. And how much better would it have been if Engram didn't cause multiple INTs with deflections.
He had one game where turnovers were an issue last year, the Rams game when he came back from a concussion the week before (and likely shouldn't have played) when he threw 3 of his total 7 INTS. So he had 4 INTS in his other 10 games.
He also had 2 fumbles (one lost) in that Rams game (one lost). In the other 10 games he had 5 fumbles (2 lost). So in 10 games not using the game a week after a concussion, he had 4 INTS and 2 fumbles lost. For comparison, Josh Allen had 8 fumbles (3 lost) in 17 games (along with his 15 INTs). Take that to 10 games and it would have been 4.6 fumbles and 1.6 lost.
Daniel Jones hits Wan’Dale Robinson over the middle in stride to begin 11 on 11 work and the fans erupt like it was a 99-yard TD toss. #Giants #PFNTCTour
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Minor depth chart change over the past few days: Cor’Dale Flott has been getting work outside at corner on the second-team D with Michael Jacquet bumped to the third string. Khalil Dorsey has been the slot corner with the 2’s.
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants Daboll - some times in practice you just ask the QB to throw it up because you simply want to see how the DBs play that ball..
That should be effortless for Daniel Jones
INTs have not been an issue for Jones. Where do people get this stuff from? His INT percentage has fallen every year, and was the same as Murray's in 2020 and better than Murray's and Herbert's in 2021, and better than two of Mahommes' four years as a starter (including 2021). His 1.9 INT percentage last year was better than Allen's 2.3. And how much better would it have been if Engram didn't cause multiple INTs with deflections.
He had one game where turnovers were an issue last year, the Rams game when he came back from a concussion the week before (and likely shouldn't have played) when he threw 3 of his total 7 INTS. So he had 4 INTS in his other 10 games.
He also had 2 fumbles (one lost) in that Rams game (one lost). In the other 10 games he had 5 fumbles (2 lost). So in 10 games not using the game a week after a concussion, he had 4 INTS and 2 fumbles lost. For comparison, Josh Allen had 8 fumbles (3 lost) in 17 games (along with his 15 INTs). Take that to 10 games and it would have been 4.6 fumbles and 1.6 lost.
Yea the Jones turnover problem is the biggest myth perpetuated by fans and media...not saying the guy is an effective QB right now, but he hasn't been a turnover machine since his rookie year.
Jones needs to score, and actually produce big plays in the air. There's room for the turnover numbers to actually go up if they are being aggressive and actually scoring more.
Bobby Skinner
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Andrew Thomas locking up Kayvon Thibodeaux part 2 https://twitter.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1554114182668238853 - ( New Window )
Andrew Thomas looks incredible. Build wise, feet wise, hand usage. That's what an All Pro LT looks like.
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants Daboll - some times in practice you just ask the QB to throw it up because you simply want to see how the DBs play that ball..
That should be effortless for Daniel Jones
INTs have not been an issue for Jones. Where do people get this stuff from? His INT percentage has fallen every year, and was the same as Murray's in 2020 and better than Murray's and Herbert's in 2021, and better than two of Mahommes' four years as a starter (including 2021). His 1.9 INT percentage last year was better than Allen's 2.3. And how much better would it have been if Engram didn't cause multiple INTs with deflections.
He had one game where turnovers were an issue last year, the Rams game when he came back from a concussion the week before (and likely shouldn't have played) when he threw 3 of his total 7 INTS. So he had 4 INTS in his other 10 games.
He also had 2 fumbles (one lost) in that Rams game (one lost). In the other 10 games he had 5 fumbles (2 lost). So in 10 games not using the game a week after a concussion, he had 4 INTS and 2 fumbles lost. For comparison, Josh Allen had 8 fumbles (3 lost) in 17 games (along with his 15 INTs). Take that to 10 games and it would have been 4.6 fumbles and 1.6 lost.
The difference between Jones' litany of turnovers and good QBs turning the ball over us that generally, when they turn the ball over, it's in the context of a game in which they're an asset because they're producing yards and points.
I’ll say this again, I don’t know how folks thought the UNC OL was bad, as both Marcus McKethan & Joshua Ezeudu stood out during the all-star practices, my film study and during this fully padded practice.
Talkin’ Giants
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Matt Breida & Cam Brown got into a shoving match after the play
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Tempera starting to flare in the first padded practice. Cam Brown just grabbed Matt Breida’s face mask as players jawed and pushed after a play.
The Giant Insider Newspaper & Podcast
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DJ Davidson and Ben Bredeson get into a mild scuffle, Daboll jumps in and orders both to respective sidelines.
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants - Barkley breaks contact on a nice long inside run .... a few snaps later, Cam Brown gets a bit feisty on a stop
Bobby Skinner
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Jamil Douglas at Center is so bad
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants - WRobinson turns on the jets for a big play down the right sideline
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I like how the running game is spreading out the defense and making guys give chase more. Tire those big guys out. #giants
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Daboll working in Lemieux at center, Ezeudu left guard again.
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Giants just lined up in Wild Cat and then shifted into traditional alignment. Saquon with a big off-tackle run. #giants
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants 3rd 11 on 11 period - Barkley rips off a big run up the middle followed by a quick Slayton catch from Jones....then looked like a busted route by WRob on an incomplete
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Thibs with a beautiful swim move beating Thomas forcing Daniel to roll right
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Thibodeaux came off the edge past Andrew Thomas on a blitz and chased Daniel Jones out of the pocket. #giants
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants - barkley nice interior blitz pickup but ARob draws PI flag defending WRob...
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants deep red zone - OL paves way for Barkley 11 yd gain on right side to the 4...then Lobe breaks up Jones slant for Toney...then a throwaway as ARob blankets Golladay in right corner.
Justin Penik
@JustinPenik
Daniel Jones has been… not very good today. Lot of inaccurate throws. Most uncomfortable he’s looked so far in camp.
Bobby Skinner
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Giants training camp Day 5 thots
•Saquon looks explosive and starting O ran the ball well
•Daniel Jones finished the day w/ 6 straight incompletions
•Shane Lemieux is looking really good
•Aaron Robinson had an awesome day
•Wink sent the house on 3rd down everytime
Bobby Skinner
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Giants training camp Day 5 thots
•Saquon looks explosive and starting O ran the ball well
•Daniel Jones finished the day w/ 6 straight incompletions
•Shane Lemieux is looking really good
•Aaron Robinson had an awesome day
•Wink sent the house on 3rd down everytime
6 straight incompletions without a turnover breaking the streak is improvement though, right?
will probably be the starter by mid-season and we’ll be looking for a new QB next year! However, Taylor starting could take us out of the top 5 looking for a new QB. Maybe Jones should start all year after all?!🤔
Bobby Skinner
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Saquon Barkley looks really good and was hitting the hole hard in the first day of full pads and running the ball.
Offense runs well with Shane Lemieux at C & Josh Ezeudu at LG
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One quick observation: The interior of the O-line is definitely struggling against Leo and Dex. Even Justin Ellis got some push today.
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#Giants Daboll - some times in practice you just ask the QB to throw it up because you simply want to see how the DBs play that ball..
That should be effortless for Daniel Jones
INTs have not been an issue for Jones. Where do people get this stuff from? His INT percentage has fallen every year, and was the same as Murray's in 2020 and better than Murray's and Herbert's in 2021, and better than two of Mahommes' four years as a starter (including 2021). His 1.9 INT percentage last year was better than Allen's 2.3. And how much better would it have been if Engram didn't cause multiple INTs with deflections.
He had one game where turnovers were an issue last year, the Rams game when he came back from a concussion the week before (and likely shouldn't have played) when he threw 3 of his total 7 INTS. So he had 4 INTS in his other 10 games.
He also had 2 fumbles (one lost) in that Rams game (one lost). In the other 10 games he had 5 fumbles (2 lost). So in 10 games not using the game a week after a concussion, he had 4 INTS and 2 fumbles lost. For comparison, Josh Allen had 8 fumbles (3 lost) in 17 games (along with his 15 INTs). Take that to 10 games and it would have been 4.6 fumbles and 1.6 lost.
For those who have eyes, they should be able to see this clearly…..but to those who are blind, nothing you write will mean anything to them. In order not to get discouraged just remind yourself you are not writing to please that latter group, the blind guys…..you are writing to enlighten those who are walking in the darkness, but not blind (still hope).
Bobby Skinner
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Saquon Barkley looks really good and was hitting the hole hard in the first day of full pads and running the ball.
Offense runs well with Shane Lemieux at C & Josh Ezeudu at LG
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One quick observation: The interior of the O-line is definitely struggling against Leo and Dex. Even Justin Ellis got some push today.
BTW, note the conflicting narratives here... this is why you can't take anything from an observer as gospel.
Bobby Skinner
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Saquon Barkley looks really good and was hitting the hole hard in the first day of full pads and running the ball.
Offense runs well with Shane Lemieux at C & Josh Ezeudu at LG
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One quick observation: The interior of the O-line is definitely struggling against Leo and Dex. Even Justin Ellis got some push today.
BTW, note the conflicting narratives here... this is why you can't take anything from an observer as gospel.
It is up to us to be objective and not always go with the information that we want to hear.
Bobby Skinner
@BobbySkinner_
Saquon Barkley looks really good and was hitting the hole hard in the first day of full pads and running the ball.
Offense runs well with Shane Lemieux at C & Josh Ezeudu at LG
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One quick observation: The interior of the O-line is definitely struggling against Leo and Dex. Even Justin Ellis got some push today.
BTW, note the conflicting narratives here... this is why you can't take anything from an observer as gospel.
I was thinking the same exact thing when I read that
Bobby Skinner
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Saquon Barkley looks really good and was hitting the hole hard in the first day of full pads and running the ball.
Offense runs well with Shane Lemieux at C & Josh Ezeudu at LG
The Giant Insider Newspaper & Podcast
@GiantInsider
One quick observation: The interior of the O-line is definitely struggling against Leo and Dex. Even Justin Ellis got some push today.
BTW, note the conflicting narratives here... this is why you can't take anything from an observer as gospel.
It is up to us to be objective and not always go with the information that we want to hear.
I think the point is that two different people commented on the same area of the team (IOL) and have two completely different takes on it.
Bobby Skinner
@BobbySkinner_
Saquon Barkley looks really good and was hitting the hole hard in the first day of full pads and running the ball.
Offense runs well with Shane Lemieux at C & Josh Ezeudu at LG
The Giant Insider Newspaper & Podcast
@GiantInsider
One quick observation: The interior of the O-line is definitely struggling against Leo and Dex. Even Justin Ellis got some push today.
BTW, note the conflicting narratives here... this is why you can't take anything from an observer as gospel.
It is up to us to be objective and not always go with the information that we want to hear.
I think the point is that two different people commented on the same area of the team (IOL) and have two completely different takes on it.
Right, I did not meant to come off as if I was somehow challenging that post. If we have different views, then there will be different takes. It is not uncommon for us fans to accept the view that we agree with.
I like the view that Barkley looked explosive, but I gotta see it first, and consistently.
I'm going to voice concerns over the clips I've been seeing of Daniel Jones...
He looks... Bad.
Inaccurate, indecisive and weak arm. It's really the Indecisive part that kills me the most... this guy holds the ball to long throwing against just air!!!
I am seriously beginning to doubt he will ever put it all together and I'm starting to wonder if Tyrod would be better/win more games with this team... not to mention Jimmy G
Dan Duggan
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Daniel Jones getting extra work post-practice with WRs David Sills (obviously) and Collin Johnson
Pat Leonard
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Giants may be trying out some players today. We are doing interviews outside instead of on their indoor field. Saw some evaluators go in
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Giants worked lot on running game first day of padded practices. Saquon Barkley looks explosive.
First-team offense didn’t make many plays in pass game. Had Daniel Jones 5-of-13 passing. Only big pass play was his first pass to rookie Wan’Dale Robinson, who continues to shine.
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants - the inverse of what Daboll spoke about with the QBs is that he also sometimes tells them to hold the ball a bit and then let it rip into tight coverage, trying to thread the needle....can't hit a tough pass in a game if you don't practice them
What have you read about Jones today? I’ve not seen anything negative.
Stop reading and start watching... clips are all over the place showing him struggle. He's holding the ball to long, throwing behind receivers, he's getting "sacked" a bunch, he gets picked off throwing simple screen passes... the list has goes and has gone on and on
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants Jackson - impressed with ARob...watched a lot of tape on him and he works hard
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone
Jackson said Darnay Holmes “sticks to the script.” He likes the way he works every day. He never worries about the past. He sees growth in him as a person, which allows him to grow as a player. They’ve known each other going back to high school days.
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#Giants - the inverse of what Daboll spoke about with the QBs is that he also sometimes tells them to hold the ball a bit and then let it rip into tight coverage, trying to thread the needle....can't hit a tough pass in a game if you don't practice them
Maybe this explains how poor Daniel has looked IMV but seems like a weird way to coach at the same time... IDK... I'm not hitting the alarm rn but I am panicking just a little... if he sucks it up early I think I'm going to be leading the "we want Tyrod" chants
pre-draft. Based on everything I listened to and read, the knock was more accurately characterized as, when his first move and counter were neutralized, there was a perceptible level of, shall we say, defeatist attitude.
No mention of that in these camp reports so far, but I'd be interested if the boots on the ground see anything like this. Thanks.
pre-draft. Based on everything I listened to and read, the knock was more accurately characterized as, when his first move and counter were neutralized, there was a perceptible level of, shall we say, defeatist attitude.
No mention of that in these camp reports so far, but I'd be interested if the boots on the ground see anything like this. Thanks.
Subject line should be -Regarding the takes plays off reports-
If you guys remember from his first training camp, he was remarkably accurate, hitting guys in stride, something Eli struggled in. This was mentioned in threads repeatedly.
Besides coaching him to make tight window throws (which he did a LOT as a rookie), Daboll has to de-program Jones from Garrett's "don't you dare make a mistake" offense.
Jones may be unfixable, but Daboll is going to try to get the most out of him. I expected struggles early. Taylor has looked better because he knows the playbook having been in Buffalo.
Let it play out.
If you guys remember from his first training camp, he was remarkably accurate, hitting guys in stride, something Eli struggled in. This was mentioned in threads repeatedly.
Besides coaching him to make tight window throws (which he did a LOT as a rookie), Daboll has to de-program Jones from Garrett's "don't you dare make a mistake" offense.
Jones may be unfixable, but Daboll is going to try to get the most out of him. I expected struggles early. Taylor has looked better because he knows the playbook having been in Buffalo.
Let it play out.
Career completion percentages:
Eli Manning: 60.3 percent
Daniel Jones 62.8 percent
If you guys remember from his first training camp, he was remarkably accurate, hitting guys in stride, something Eli struggled in. This was mentioned in threads repeatedly.
Besides coaching him to make tight window throws (which he did a LOT as a rookie), Daboll has to de-program Jones from Garrett's "don't you dare make a mistake" offense.
Jones may be unfixable, but Daboll is going to try to get the most out of him. I expected struggles early. Taylor has looked better because he knows the playbook having been in Buffalo.
Let it play out.
Daboll and Taylor weren't in Buffalo togetherness. Daboll was brought on to be the OC the year after Tyrod left
You won't be able to tell a thing about Jones in these
practices, so why do some try? Daboll has said things like :"I ask the QB sometimes to throw it up in a tight situation just to see what the db will do" or
"I ask the QB to hold the ball longer and then deliver it into tight coverage just to practice that".
So we don't know what is really happening. I don't know if Jones will be good or not, but living and dying on a 2 hr practice in August, where you have no idea what is happening and why, is nuts
practices, so why do some try? Daboll has said things like :"I ask the QB sometimes to throw it up in a tight situation just to see what the db will do" or
"I ask the QB to hold the ball longer and then deliver it into tight coverage just to practice that".
So we don't know what is really happening. I don't know if Jones will be good or not, but living and dying on a 2 hr practice in August, where you have no idea what is happening and why, is nuts
Wait for the games.
Exactly - not to mention those screaming to "watch the tape" are only getting snippets of a controlled practice from an iPhone without any context for what the offense is trying to do. I'm not saying DJ will be great this year, but making DJ evaluations at this point is a little foolish.
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Oshane Ximines had some nice wins in 1v1 pass rushes today, but his offsides penalties outnumbered those victories. Remember it was his costly jump offsides in Tampa last year that basically ended his season.
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Oshane Ximines had some nice wins in 1v1 pass rushes today, but his offsides penalties outnumbered those victories. Remember it was his costly jump offsides in Tampa last year that basically ended his season.
I thought Ximines' season was ended by his offside penalty in Kansas City, not Tampa Bay.
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Giants held a free agent workout after today’s practice. Wonder if we see a transaction related to any of the injured players later today…
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Giants rookie safety Dane Belton has a broken collarbone, per sources. Tough break for the fourth-round pick. Was making a real strong impression.
Belton will be sidelined an extended period of time. There still remains hope he can be ready for the start of the season.
RE: Jones has always been inaccurate, this shouldn't surprise
would "zip it" on Jones. We know he's had every disadvantage a QB can possibly have. That's not an excuse, its a fact.
He didn't get an extension (wise decision by NYG). But jeez, let's see how this plays out a bit with the hope of an NFL caliber OL, play callers and a few weapons. If it doesn't go well, call him Dave Brown 2.0 to your hearts content. But to spout off 4 practices in? Odd.
would "zip it" on Jones. We know he's had every disadvantage a QB can possibly have. That's not an excuse, its a fact.
He didn't get an extension (wise decision by NYG). But jeez, let's see how this plays out a bit with the hope of an NFL caliber OL, play callers and a few weapons. If it doesn't go well, call him Dave Brown 2.0 to your hearts content. But to spout off 4 practices in? Odd.
why are you opposed to the free exchange of ideas? And there is plenty of data, presented by me and others, to suggest that Jones' disadvantages are overstated. The problem with Jones, just may be Jones.
I don't know what a "Jones stans" is but I do know that this is a useless argument on Day 4 of camp.
Maybe he's Dave Brown 2.0 or alternatively. maybe with the benefit of some NFL caliber combo of OL, weapons, coaching he's some middle tier QB e.g. Ryan Tannehill. I don't know. But let's see the thing play out a bit shall we?
I don't know what a "Jones stans" is but I do know that this is a useless argument on Day 4 of camp.
Maybe he's Dave Brown 2.0 or alternatively. maybe with the benefit of some NFL caliber combo of OL, weapons, coaching he's some middle tier QB e.g. Ryan Tannehill. I don't know. But let's see the thing play out a bit shall we?
Day 4 of camp or August of year 4 with the same issues?
would "zip it" on Jones. We know he's had every disadvantage a QB can possibly have. That's not an excuse, its a fact.
He didn't get an extension (wise decision by NYG). But jeez, let's see how this plays out a bit with the hope of an NFL caliber OL, play callers and a few weapons. If it doesn't go well, call him Dave Brown 2.0 to your hearts content. But to spout off 4 practices in? Odd.
Everyone is a QB expert.
Lets hope our new regime is smart enough to build a team that will support different levels of QB play. You hope you get a great one who plays big in the big moments but you still have to win games with acceptable QB play.
RE: RE: RE: Jones has always been inaccurate, this shouldn't surprise
I don't know what a "Jones stans" is but I do know that this is a useless argument on Day 4 of camp.
Maybe he's Dave Brown 2.0 or alternatively. maybe with the benefit of some NFL caliber combo of OL, weapons, coaching he's some middle tier QB e.g. Ryan Tannehill. I don't know. But let's see the thing play out a bit shall we?
Day 4 of camp or August of year 4 with the same issues?
I'd say Jones issues have been:
-team's complete inability to run the ball (setting up near constant bad down/distance situations)
-inability to pass block
-unimaginative and ineffective coaching
-ridiculously high rate of injury of skill position players
-his own injury problems
-his ball security issues
In that order.
RE: RE: Jones has always been inaccurate, this shouldn't surprise
I don't know what a "Jones stans" is but I do know that this is a useless argument on Day 4 of camp.
Maybe he's Dave Brown 2.0 or alternatively. maybe with the benefit of some NFL caliber combo of OL, weapons, coaching he's some middle tier QB e.g. Ryan Tannehill. I don't know. But let's see the thing play out a bit shall we?
Day 4 of camp or August of year 4 with the same issues?
I'd say Jones issues have been:
-team's complete inability to run the ball (setting up near constant bad down/distance situations)
-inability to pass block
-unimaginative and ineffective coaching
-ridiculously high rate of injury of skill position players
-his own injury problems
-his ball security issues
The scrutiny is going to be really tough to bear all camp, as far as it relates to comments on these threads. Every misplaced ball, every miscue, etc. etc. I s going to be fodder for people yelling "See??? See??? We told you!"
LOL
Meanwhile you read they focused on the run game and threw 18 total passes, with this comment from Daboll: "Some times in practice you just ask the QB to throw it up because you simply want to see how the DBs play that ball".
This is going to be a Jones fest every day on these threads.... lol
I don't know what a "Jones stans" is but I do know that this is a useless argument on Day 4 of camp.
Maybe he's Dave Brown 2.0 or alternatively. maybe with the benefit of some NFL caliber combo of OL, weapons, coaching he's some middle tier QB e.g. Ryan Tannehill. I don't know. But let's see the thing play out a bit shall we?
Day 4 of camp or August of year 4 with the same issues?
I'd say Jones issues have been:
-team's complete inability to run the ball (setting up near constant bad down/distance situations)
-inability to pass block
-unimaginative and ineffective coaching
-ridiculously high rate of injury of skill position players
-his own injury problems
-his ball security issues
In that order.
So none of it’s his fault, got it.
>> Reading comprehension.
-his own injury problems
-his ball security issues
If you guys remember from his first training camp, he was remarkably accurate, hitting guys in stride, something Eli struggled in. This was mentioned in threads repeatedly.
Besides coaching him to make tight window throws (which he did a LOT as a rookie), Daboll has to de-program Jones from Garrett's "don't you dare make a mistake" offense.
Jones may be unfixable, but Daboll is going to try to get the most out of him. I expected struggles early. Taylor has looked better because he knows the playbook having been in Buffalo.
Let it play out.
Career completion percentages:
Eli Manning: 60.3 percent
Daniel Jones 62.8 percent
Eli was a down field passer. DJ is not. So you would expect DJ to have a higher completion percentage. And DJ can only attain 62.8% even though he has the lowest yards per pass attempt in the league. Not good.
If you guys remember from his first training camp, he was remarkably accurate, hitting guys in stride, something Eli struggled in. This was mentioned in threads repeatedly.
Besides coaching him to make tight window throws (which he did a LOT as a rookie), Daboll has to de-program Jones from Garrett's "don't you dare make a mistake" offense.
Jones may be unfixable, but Daboll is going to try to get the most out of him. I expected struggles early. Taylor has looked better because he knows the playbook having been in Buffalo.
Let it play out.
Taylor and Dabol were not in Buffalo at the same time. Taylor left Buffalo before Dabol got there. Taylor has looked better because he has more experience playing in various systems and he has no pressure on him.
If you guys remember from his first training camp, he was remarkably accurate, hitting guys in stride, something Eli struggled in. This was mentioned in threads repeatedly.
Besides coaching him to make tight window throws (which he did a LOT as a rookie), Daboll has to de-program Jones from Garrett's "don't you dare make a mistake" offense.
Jones may be unfixable, but Daboll is going to try to get the most out of him. I expected struggles early. Taylor has looked better because he knows the playbook having been in Buffalo.
Let it play out.
Career completion percentages:
Eli Manning: 60.3 percent
Daniel Jones 62.8 percent
Eli was a down field passer. DJ is not. So you would expect DJ to have a higher completion percentage. And DJ can only attain 62.8% even though he has the lowest yards per pass attempt in the league. Not good.
Team can't run the ball. They also generally lack downfield weapons and even to the extent they have a little bit of downfield speed (Engram via seam, Slayton), they never really use it because of persistent OL leaks and the fact that the OC is a pussy.
Play a little multiple choice: You feel this is the kind of environment that:
a) destroys a QBs chance to develop and show well
b) doesn't matter; its always the QBs fault
I choose to live in 2022. Let's see if Jones can be good or solid or adequate. If he is not, so be it...Taylor will serve as a bridge to whatever is next. But to have an all day, every day thread about Jones is...what's the word I am looking for...STUPID.
If you guys remember from his first training camp, he was remarkably accurate, hitting guys in stride, something Eli struggled in. This was mentioned in threads repeatedly.
Besides coaching him to make tight window throws (which he did a LOT as a rookie), Daboll has to de-program Jones from Garrett's "don't you dare make a mistake" offense.
Jones may be unfixable, but Daboll is going to try to get the most out of him. I expected struggles early. Taylor has looked better because he knows the playbook having been in Buffalo.
Let it play out.
Career completion percentages:
Eli Manning: 60.3 percent
Daniel Jones 62.8 percent
Eli was a down field passer. DJ is not. So you would expect DJ to have a higher completion percentage. And DJ can only attain 62.8% even though he has the lowest yards per pass attempt in the league. Not good.
totally correct. and let's not forget completion pcts are higher in this era than in previous eras.
I don't know what a "Jones stans" is but I do know that this is a useless argument on Day 4 of camp.
Maybe he's Dave Brown 2.0 or alternatively. maybe with the benefit of some NFL caliber combo of OL, weapons, coaching he's some middle tier QB e.g. Ryan Tannehill. I don't know. But let's see the thing play out a bit shall we?
Day 4 of camp or August of year 4 with the same issues?
I'd say Jones issues have been:
-team's complete inability to run the ball (setting up near constant bad down/distance situations)
-inability to pass block
-unimaginative and ineffective coaching
-ridiculously high rate of injury of skill position players
-his own injury problems
-his ball security issues
In that order.
So none of it’s his fault, got it.
>> Reading comprehension.
-his own injury problems
-his ball security issues
Got our first OL vs DL 1-on-1’s of camp today. Going to thread nine here.
1. Andrew Thomas has looked very solid this summer. Has more than held his own against Kayvon Thibodeaux:
2. Leonard Williams is having a strong camp. Looks explosive. He’s the best player on this defense until Xavier McKinney takes that title from him:
3. Oshane Ximines has been one of the surprises of camp. Has gotten the best of Evan Neal a few times. But offside penalties like the first rep here bring back bad memories:
4. NT Justin Ellis jumped offside two straight times. Lot of that from the DL in this drill. Daboll was not happy:
5. Thibodeaux showing his quickness against backup RT Matt Gono:
6. More Thibodeaux vs Thomas:
7. Williams’ strength evident against Shane Lemieux:
8. Dexter Lawrence has been dominant early in camp. Believe this rep is vs. Jamil Douglas (if I ever become coach for a day, I’d cut any player who rolls up his jersey. Real headache for attendance purposes).
9. Good rep for Ximines, eventually, against Neal. But don’t think Daboll appreciated it after another offside penalty:
Has been pleasant to see is how positive the word has been around Aaron Robinson.
Idk where your info comes from but the camp practice I attended and from what I've seen in highlights of camp he seems to be getting picked on in coverage a bunch... I'm just saying what I've seen... not read.
Bobby Skinner is no QB guru in case you didn't know...
But posters on BBI are. Interesting.
And the Aaron Robinson noise is just snippets I've read. I haven't seen any chatter on any DB being picked on so far. Second team DBs (it's not a position with much depth) maybe but not the first.
No way one can take seriously what he thinks he sees in week 1 of camp and day 1 in pads. It even sounds ridiculous. Jones will get plenty of rope otherwise he’d already be gone.
Bobby Skinner is no QB guru in case you didn't know...
But posters on BBI are. Interesting.
And the Aaron Robinson noise is just snippets I've read. I haven't seen any chatter on any DB being picked on so far. Second team DBs (it's not a position with much depth) maybe but not the first.
Im saying at least I have my own opinion from actually watching and not just Bobby Skinner's opinion, having never watched...
So far in this brief bit of camp it has been clear that Tyrod releases the football much faster and has thrown the ball more accurately than DJ has... thats all
Im saying at least I have my own opinion from actually watching and not just Bobby Skinner's opinion, having never watched...
So far in this brief bit of camp it has been clear that Tyrod releases the football much faster and has thrown the ball more accurately than DJ has... thats all
Funny, but the reporters haven't mentioned that, well, from what I read.
"I hope they come out of this practice clean with no injuries?"
Whoops.
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Daboll said there will be a heavy emphasis on the run game today. #giants
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#Giants Daboll - full pads and normal situations today...emphasis on run game...eye specifically on techniques and energy
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Daboll: “Big week ahead of us starting today. We’re in full pads.” There will be a heavy emphasis on the run game. “This is where the game is played.”
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#Giants Daboll - might do some real tackling at some point in practice with 2s and 3s..feliciano day or two away from practicing
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im some snaps at center....rotating many reserves in that spot
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First-string center Jon Feliciano won’t be practicing today again, a 3rd straight missed. Brian Daboll says Feliciano is “working through some things” and will be out another day or two #Giants
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Daboll said Feliciano will not be back today. Hopefully tomorrow but maybe the next day. Daboll said it was good to get Lemieux some reps at center against the first team defense.
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#Giants Daboll - worked with a lot of 7 on 7 in spring, so use the practice time for more positional work and 11 on 11
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#Giants Daboll - some times in practice you just ask the QB to throw it up because you simply want to see how the DBs play that ball..
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Daboll said he was just talking to Toney this morning about position flexibility and adding something else to his plate. He said “oh yeah and had a big smile.”
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Daboll said he and Schoen have talked to the rookies multiple times about how to be a pro. He’s been pleased with how they’ve handled everything and credits Ashley Lynn in player engagement.
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#Giants Daboll - some times in practice you just ask the QB to throw it up because you simply want to see how the DBs play that ball..
That should be effortless for Daniel Jones
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#Giants Daboll - belton jwilliams seals-jones not working today
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Just saw Dane Belton With his left arm in a sling, he will miss some time #Giants
Yea but I think a lot of that was fan driven, and maybe a bit of damage control from the regime.
Remember, the fanbase knew we needed one bad and had no idea what we had in Gates. The Giants passed on Biadsz multiple times and took Shane in the 5th...I don't know how serious they were about "Shane can play center" unless of course Gates fell flat on his face.
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#Giants Daboll - some times in practice you just ask the QB to throw it up because you simply want to see how the DBs play that ball..
That should be effortless for Daniel Jones
Ok, I laughed at that one.
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A very light rain is falling right now. We’ll see if they can keep practice outside or if it has to move indoors. #giants
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Thibodeaux vs Thomas in 1-on-1s #GiantsCamp
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Andrew Thomas locking up Kayvon Thibodeaux
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Ximines beats Evan Neal in 1-on-1s
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Leonard Williams just messed up Mark Glowinski in 1v1’s. Messed up could be an exaggeration but this is a Leonard Williams stan account
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Dexter Lawrence and Leonard Williams predictably dominated 1 on 1 rush drills. Oshane Ximines and Kayvon Thibodeaux also had some nice wins around the edge. #Giants #PFNTCTour
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OL. S DL drills right now. DL winning majority of one on ones so far. #giants
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Ximines with two good reps, beating his man to the inside. #giants
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Andrew Thomas locking up Kayvon Thibodeaux part 2
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Thibs looked like he would've run that rep if he didn't slip
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Andre Miller getting 1st team H-Back reps over Jeremiah Hall
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Matt Breida showing decisiveness and quickness In Hitting the hole. #giants
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#Giants 11 on 11 - Jones completes dart over the middle to WRobinson (vs ARobinson) for a nice gain...Jones follows with a short rope of to Toney on the right sideline
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#Giants Daboll - some times in practice you just ask the QB to throw it up because you simply want to see how the DBs play that ball..
That should be effortless for Daniel Jones
INTs have not been an issue for Jones. Where do people get this stuff from? His INT percentage has fallen every year, and was the same as Murray's in 2020 and better than Murray's and Herbert's in 2021, and better than two of Mahommes' four years as a starter (including 2021). His 1.9 INT percentage last year was better than Allen's 2.3. And how much better would it have been if Engram didn't cause multiple INTs with deflections.
He had one game where turnovers were an issue last year, the Rams game when he came back from a concussion the week before (and likely shouldn't have played) when he threw 3 of his total 7 INTS. So he had 4 INTS in his other 10 games.
He also had 2 fumbles (one lost) in that Rams game (one lost). In the other 10 games he had 5 fumbles (2 lost). So in 10 games not using the game a week after a concussion, he had 4 INTS and 2 fumbles lost. For comparison, Josh Allen had 8 fumbles (3 lost) in 17 games (along with his 15 INTs). Take that to 10 games and it would have been 4.6 fumbles and 1.6 lost.
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Daniel Jones hits Wan’Dale Robinson over the middle in stride to begin 11 on 11 work and the fans erupt like it was a 99-yard TD toss. #Giants #PFNTCTour
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Gary Brightwell gets a quality rep. Nice burst. #giants
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#Giants - Taylor hits James on a short cross...then Brightwell with sweet jukes behind the left side for a big run
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Hello, Kayvon! That’s him having his way with Matt Gano.
More of these type clips on IG.
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#Giants - Taylor hits James on a short cross...then Brightwell with sweet jukes behind the left side for a big run
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#Giants - Holmes diving breakup along right sideline of jones throw to breida
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Darrian Beavers getting some reps in with 1s. So is WR Richie James.
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Micah McFadden and Darrian Beavers with some nice plays in the backfield on run plays so far.
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Shame Lemoeux getting snaps at center again, BTW. #giants
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#Giants - Taylor toss to bellinger on a cross over the middle for a nice gain vs a zone
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Oshane Ximines is looking really good?
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Minor depth chart change over the past few days: Cor’Dale Flott has been getting work outside at corner on the second-team D with Michael Jacquet bumped to the third string. Khalil Dorsey has been the slot corner with the 2’s.
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#Giants Daboll - some times in practice you just ask the QB to throw it up because you simply want to see how the DBs play that ball..
That should be effortless for Daniel Jones
INTs have not been an issue for Jones. Where do people get this stuff from? His INT percentage has fallen every year, and was the same as Murray's in 2020 and better than Murray's and Herbert's in 2021, and better than two of Mahommes' four years as a starter (including 2021). His 1.9 INT percentage last year was better than Allen's 2.3. And how much better would it have been if Engram didn't cause multiple INTs with deflections.
He had one game where turnovers were an issue last year, the Rams game when he came back from a concussion the week before (and likely shouldn't have played) when he threw 3 of his total 7 INTS. So he had 4 INTS in his other 10 games.
He also had 2 fumbles (one lost) in that Rams game (one lost). In the other 10 games he had 5 fumbles (2 lost). So in 10 games not using the game a week after a concussion, he had 4 INTS and 2 fumbles lost. For comparison, Josh Allen had 8 fumbles (3 lost) in 17 games (along with his 15 INTs). Take that to 10 games and it would have been 4.6 fumbles and 1.6 lost.
Yea the Jones turnover problem is the biggest myth perpetuated by fans and media...not saying the guy is an effective QB right now, but he hasn't been a turnover machine since his rookie year.
Jones needs to score, and actually produce big plays in the air. There's room for the turnover numbers to actually go up if they are being aggressive and actually scoring more.
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Andrew Thomas looks incredible. Build wise, feet wise, hand usage. That's what an All Pro LT looks like.
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#Giants Daboll - some times in practice you just ask the QB to throw it up because you simply want to see how the DBs play that ball..
That should be effortless for Daniel Jones
INTs have not been an issue for Jones. Where do people get this stuff from? His INT percentage has fallen every year, and was the same as Murray's in 2020 and better than Murray's and Herbert's in 2021, and better than two of Mahommes' four years as a starter (including 2021). His 1.9 INT percentage last year was better than Allen's 2.3. And how much better would it have been if Engram didn't cause multiple INTs with deflections.
He had one game where turnovers were an issue last year, the Rams game when he came back from a concussion the week before (and likely shouldn't have played) when he threw 3 of his total 7 INTS. So he had 4 INTS in his other 10 games.
He also had 2 fumbles (one lost) in that Rams game (one lost). In the other 10 games he had 5 fumbles (2 lost). So in 10 games not using the game a week after a concussion, he had 4 INTS and 2 fumbles lost. For comparison, Josh Allen had 8 fumbles (3 lost) in 17 games (along with his 15 INTs). Take that to 10 games and it would have been 4.6 fumbles and 1.6 lost.
The difference between Jones' litany of turnovers and good QBs turning the ball over us that generally, when they turn the ball over, it's in the context of a game in which they're an asset because they're producing yards and points.
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Darrian Beavers very active, young man off to a nice start of camp
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I’ll say this again, I don’t know how folks thought the UNC OL was bad, as both Marcus McKethan & Joshua Ezeudu stood out during the all-star practices, my film study and during this fully padded practice.
They’ve excelled in the run game today
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#Giants 2nd period of 11 on 11 - starting out with a group interior runs...then AWilliams breaks a long one around right side
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Matt Breida & Cam Brown got into a shoving match after the play
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Tempera starting to flare in the first padded practice. Cam Brown just grabbed Matt Breida’s face mask as players jawed and pushed after a play.
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DJ Davidson and Ben Bredeson get into a mild scuffle, Daboll jumps in and orders both to respective sidelines.
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#Giants - Barkley breaks contact on a nice long inside run .... a few snaps later, Cam Brown gets a bit feisty on a stop
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Jamil Douglas at Center is so bad
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Nice little jet sweep to Wan’Dale picks up some yards. Will see a lot of that this season
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#Giants - WRobinson turns on the jets for a big play down the right sideline
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I like how the running game is spreading out the defense and making guys give chase more. Tire those big guys out. #giants
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Daboll working in Lemieux at center, Ezeudu left guard again.
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First time we’ve seen the Giants’ base defense. Jalyn Holmes was the third DL with Dexter Lawrence playing NT.
I don't know if it was his rookie year or not but there was one offseason he was training as a C. I think it was the offseason after his rookie year.
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First time we’ve seen the Giants’ base defense. Jalyn Holmes was the third DL with Dexter Lawrence playing NT.
Very interesting.
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Giants just lined up in Wild Cat and then shifted into traditional alignment. Saquon with a big off-tackle run. #giants
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#Giants 3rd 11 on 11 period - Barkley rips off a big run up the middle followed by a quick Slayton catch from Jones....then looked like a busted route by WRob on an incomplete
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Thibs with a beautiful swim move beating Thomas forcing Daniel to roll right
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Thibodeaux came off the edge past Andrew Thomas on a blitz and chased Daniel Jones out of the pocket. #giants
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#Giants - barkley nice interior blitz pickup but ARob draws PI flag defending WRob...
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#Giants - jomes misses golladay - behind him on a hot read in-cut
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#Giants - Taylor hits Board on a long crossing route vs Jacquet
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#Giants deep red zone - OL paves way for Barkley 11 yd gain on right side to the 4...then Lobe breaks up Jones slant for Toney...then a throwaway as ARob blankets Golladay in right corner.
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Daniel Jones has been… not very good today. Lot of inaccurate throws. Most uncomfortable he’s looked so far in camp.
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#Giants - Taylor runs in untouched from the 2
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Giants training camp Day 5 thots
•Saquon looks explosive and starting O ran the ball well
•Daniel Jones finished the day w/ 6 straight incompletions
•Shane Lemieux is looking really good
•Aaron Robinson had an awesome day
•Wink sent the house on 3rd down everytime
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First padded practice is over. Pretty uneventful day, worked a lot on running plays.
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Giants training camp Day 5 thots
•Saquon looks explosive and starting O ran the ball well
•Daniel Jones finished the day w/ 6 straight incompletions
•Shane Lemieux is looking really good
•Aaron Robinson had an awesome day
•Wink sent the house on 3rd down everytime
6 straight incompletions without a turnover breaking the streak is improvement though, right?
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Saquon Barkley looks really good and was hitting the hole hard in the first day of full pads and running the ball.
Offense runs well with Shane Lemieux at C & Josh Ezeudu at LG
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One quick observation: The interior of the O-line is definitely struggling against Leo and Dex. Even Justin Ellis got some push today.
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#Giants Daboll - some times in practice you just ask the QB to throw it up because you simply want to see how the DBs play that ball..
That should be effortless for Daniel Jones
INTs have not been an issue for Jones. Where do people get this stuff from? His INT percentage has fallen every year, and was the same as Murray's in 2020 and better than Murray's and Herbert's in 2021, and better than two of Mahommes' four years as a starter (including 2021). His 1.9 INT percentage last year was better than Allen's 2.3. And how much better would it have been if Engram didn't cause multiple INTs with deflections.
He had one game where turnovers were an issue last year, the Rams game when he came back from a concussion the week before (and likely shouldn't have played) when he threw 3 of his total 7 INTS. So he had 4 INTS in his other 10 games.
He also had 2 fumbles (one lost) in that Rams game (one lost). In the other 10 games he had 5 fumbles (2 lost). So in 10 games not using the game a week after a concussion, he had 4 INTS and 2 fumbles lost. For comparison, Josh Allen had 8 fumbles (3 lost) in 17 games (along with his 15 INTs). Take that to 10 games and it would have been 4.6 fumbles and 1.6 lost.
For those who have eyes, they should be able to see this clearly…..but to those who are blind, nothing you write will mean anything to them. In order not to get discouraged just remind yourself you are not writing to please that latter group, the blind guys…..you are writing to enlighten those who are walking in the darkness, but not blind (still hope).
Keep up the good work.
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Saquon Barkley looks really good and was hitting the hole hard in the first day of full pads and running the ball.
Offense runs well with Shane Lemieux at C & Josh Ezeudu at LG
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One quick observation: The interior of the O-line is definitely struggling against Leo and Dex. Even Justin Ellis got some push today.
BTW, note the conflicting narratives here... this is why you can't take anything from an observer as gospel.
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Saquon Barkley looks really good and was hitting the hole hard in the first day of full pads and running the ball.
Offense runs well with Shane Lemieux at C & Josh Ezeudu at LG
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One quick observation: The interior of the O-line is definitely struggling against Leo and Dex. Even Justin Ellis got some push today.
BTW, note the conflicting narratives here... this is why you can't take anything from an observer as gospel.
It is up to us to be objective and not always go with the information that we want to hear.
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Saquon Barkley looks really good and was hitting the hole hard in the first day of full pads and running the ball.
Offense runs well with Shane Lemieux at C & Josh Ezeudu at LG
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One quick observation: The interior of the O-line is definitely struggling against Leo and Dex. Even Justin Ellis got some push today.
BTW, note the conflicting narratives here... this is why you can't take anything from an observer as gospel.
I was thinking the same exact thing when I read that
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Saquon Barkley looks really good and was hitting the hole hard in the first day of full pads and running the ball.
Offense runs well with Shane Lemieux at C & Josh Ezeudu at LG
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One quick observation: The interior of the O-line is definitely struggling against Leo and Dex. Even Justin Ellis got some push today.
BTW, note the conflicting narratives here... this is why you can't take anything from an observer as gospel.
It is up to us to be objective and not always go with the information that we want to hear.
I think the point is that two different people commented on the same area of the team (IOL) and have two completely different takes on it.
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Saquon Barkley looks really good and was hitting the hole hard in the first day of full pads and running the ball.
Offense runs well with Shane Lemieux at C & Josh Ezeudu at LG
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One quick observation: The interior of the O-line is definitely struggling against Leo and Dex. Even Justin Ellis got some push today.
BTW, note the conflicting narratives here... this is why you can't take anything from an observer as gospel.
It is up to us to be objective and not always go with the information that we want to hear.
I think the point is that two different people commented on the same area of the team (IOL) and have two completely different takes on it.
Right, I did not meant to come off as if I was somehow challenging that post. If we have different views, then there will be different takes. It is not uncommon for us fans to accept the view that we agree with.
I like the view that Barkley looked explosive, but I gotta see it first, and consistently.
What have you read about Jones today? I’ve not seen anything negative.
He looks... Bad.
Inaccurate, indecisive and weak arm. It's really the Indecisive part that kills me the most... this guy holds the ball to long throwing against just air!!!
I am seriously beginning to doubt he will ever put it all together and I'm starting to wonder if Tyrod would be better/win more games with this team... not to mention Jimmy G
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Daniel Jones getting extra work post-practice with WRs David Sills (obviously) and Collin Johnson
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Giants may be trying out some players today. We are doing interviews outside instead of on their indoor field. Saw some evaluators go in
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Giants worked lot on running game first day of padded practices. Saquon Barkley looks explosive.
First-team offense didn’t make many plays in pass game. Had Daniel Jones 5-of-13 passing. Only big pass play was his first pass to rookie Wan’Dale Robinson, who continues to shine.
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#Giants - the inverse of what Daboll spoke about with the QBs is that he also sometimes tells them to hold the ball a bit and then let it rip into tight coverage, trying to thread the needle....can't hit a tough pass in a game if you don't practice them
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What have you read about Jones today? I’ve not seen anything negative.
Stop reading and start watching... clips are all over the place showing him struggle. He's holding the ball to long, throwing behind receivers, he's getting "sacked" a bunch, he gets picked off throwing simple screen passes... the list has goes and has gone on and on
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#Giants Jackson - impressed with ARob...watched a lot of tape on him and he works hard
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Jackson said Darnay Holmes “sticks to the script.” He likes the way he works every day. He never worries about the past. He sees growth in him as a person, which allows him to grow as a player. They’ve known each other going back to high school days.
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#Giants - the inverse of what Daboll spoke about with the QBs is that he also sometimes tells them to hold the ball a bit and then let it rip into tight coverage, trying to thread the needle....can't hit a tough pass in a game if you don't practice them
Maybe this explains how poor Daniel has looked IMV but seems like a weird way to coach at the same time... IDK... I'm not hitting the alarm rn but I am panicking just a little... if he sucks it up early I think I'm going to be leading the "we want Tyrod" chants
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There was a lot of focus on the run game today. As for the passing offense, umm, it’s still early…
No mention of that in these camp reports so far, but I'd be interested if the boots on the ground see anything like this. Thanks.
No mention of that in these camp reports so far, but I'd be interested if the boots on the ground see anything like this. Thanks.
Subject line should be -Regarding the takes plays off reports-
pre-draft.
Dropped the ball on quotation mark usage.
Bobby Skinner @BobbySkinner_
Had Daniel Jones at 5/13 today which ended with 6 straight incompletions.
Ball came out much quicker than previous days but had some misses paired w/ WR’s locked up in man.
Ahhh, no.
Besides coaching him to make tight window throws (which he did a LOT as a rookie), Daboll has to de-program Jones from Garrett's "don't you dare make a mistake" offense.
Jones may be unfixable, but Daboll is going to try to get the most out of him. I expected struggles early. Taylor has looked better because he knows the playbook having been in Buffalo.
Let it play out.
Besides coaching him to make tight window throws (which he did a LOT as a rookie), Daboll has to de-program Jones from Garrett's "don't you dare make a mistake" offense.
Jones may be unfixable, but Daboll is going to try to get the most out of him. I expected struggles early. Taylor has looked better because he knows the playbook having been in Buffalo.
Let it play out.
Career completion percentages:
Eli Manning: 60.3 percent
Daniel Jones 62.8 percent
Besides coaching him to make tight window throws (which he did a LOT as a rookie), Daboll has to de-program Jones from Garrett's "don't you dare make a mistake" offense.
Jones may be unfixable, but Daboll is going to try to get the most out of him. I expected struggles early. Taylor has looked better because he knows the playbook having been in Buffalo.
Let it play out.
Daboll and Taylor weren't in Buffalo togetherness. Daboll was brought on to be the OC the year after Tyrod left
"I ask the QB to hold the ball longer and then deliver it into tight coverage just to practice that".
So we don't know what is really happening. I don't know if Jones will be good or not, but living and dying on a 2 hr practice in August, where you have no idea what is happening and why, is nuts
Wait for the games.
Not Harry Carson.
"I ask the QB to hold the ball longer and then deliver it into tight coverage just to practice that".
So we don't know what is really happening. I don't know if Jones will be good or not, but living and dying on a 2 hr practice in August, where you have no idea what is happening and why, is nuts
Wait for the games.
Exactly - not to mention those screaming to "watch the tape" are only getting snippets of a controlled practice from an iPhone without any context for what the offense is trying to do. I'm not saying DJ will be great this year, but making DJ evaluations at this point is a little foolish.
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Oshane Ximines had some nice wins in 1v1 pass rushes today, but his offsides penalties outnumbered those victories. Remember it was his costly jump offsides in Tampa last year that basically ended his season.
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Oshane Ximines had some nice wins in 1v1 pass rushes today, but his offsides penalties outnumbered those victories. Remember it was his costly jump offsides in Tampa last year that basically ended his season.
I thought Ximines' season was ended by his offside penalty in Kansas City, not Tampa Bay.
@GiantInsider
Darrian Beavers very active, young man off to a nice start of camp
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Giants held a free agent workout after today’s practice. Wonder if we see a transaction related to any of the injured players later today…
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Giants rookie safety Dane Belton has a broken collarbone, per sources. Tough break for the fourth-round pick. Was making a real strong impression.
Belton will be sidelined an extended period of time. There still remains hope he can be ready for the start of the season.
Oh, you mean when he's had one second to throw and no starting receivers???
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The numbers have always said that. The eye test has always said that.
Ahhh, no.
Here are Daniel Jones' ranks in completion pct through his career. And I don't think I need to tell you that completion pct is a measure of accuracy.
2019: 24th
2020: 31st
2021: 23rd
Are these the rankings of an accurate NFL passer?
He didn't get an extension (wise decision by NYG). But jeez, let's see how this plays out a bit with the hope of an NFL caliber OL, play callers and a few weapons. If it doesn't go well, call him Dave Brown 2.0 to your hearts content. But to spout off 4 practices in? Odd.
He didn't get an extension (wise decision by NYG). But jeez, let's see how this plays out a bit with the hope of an NFL caliber OL, play callers and a few weapons. If it doesn't go well, call him Dave Brown 2.0 to your hearts content. But to spout off 4 practices in? Odd.
why are you opposed to the free exchange of ideas? And there is plenty of data, presented by me and others, to suggest that Jones' disadvantages are overstated. The problem with Jones, just may be Jones.
@AlexWilsonESM
Josh Ezeudu needs to win that starting left guard spot — 4 years of a CHEAP left guard would do wonders for this offensive line #NYG
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I don't know what a "Jones stans" is but I do know that this is a useless argument on Day 4 of camp.
Maybe he's Dave Brown 2.0 or alternatively. maybe with the benefit of some NFL caliber combo of OL, weapons, coaching he's some middle tier QB e.g. Ryan Tannehill. I don't know. But let's see the thing play out a bit shall we?
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Still standing firm is incredible
I don't know what a "Jones stans" is but I do know that this is a useless argument on Day 4 of camp.
Maybe he's Dave Brown 2.0 or alternatively. maybe with the benefit of some NFL caliber combo of OL, weapons, coaching he's some middle tier QB e.g. Ryan Tannehill. I don't know. But let's see the thing play out a bit shall we?
Day 4 of camp or August of year 4 with the same issues?
He didn't get an extension (wise decision by NYG). But jeez, let's see how this plays out a bit with the hope of an NFL caliber OL, play callers and a few weapons. If it doesn't go well, call him Dave Brown 2.0 to your hearts content. But to spout off 4 practices in? Odd.
Everyone is a QB expert.
Lets hope our new regime is smart enough to build a team that will support different levels of QB play. You hope you get a great one who plays big in the big moments but you still have to win games with acceptable QB play.
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The numbers have always said that. The eye test has always said that.
Ahhh, no.
Here are Daniel Jones' ranks in completion pct through his career. And I don't think I need to tell you that completion pct is a measure of accuracy.
2019: 24th
2020: 31st
2021: 23rd
Are these the rankings of an accurate NFL passer?
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Still standing firm is incredible
I don't know what a "Jones stans" is but I do know that this is a useless argument on Day 4 of camp.
Maybe he's Dave Brown 2.0 or alternatively. maybe with the benefit of some NFL caliber combo of OL, weapons, coaching he's some middle tier QB e.g. Ryan Tannehill. I don't know. But let's see the thing play out a bit shall we?
Day 4 of camp or August of year 4 with the same issues?
I'd say Jones issues have been:
-team's complete inability to run the ball (setting up near constant bad down/distance situations)
-inability to pass block
-unimaginative and ineffective coaching
-ridiculously high rate of injury of skill position players
-his own injury problems
-his ball security issues
In that order.
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The numbers have always said that. The eye test has always said that.
Oh, you mean when he's had one second to throw and no starting receivers???
This hyperbole makes the other hyperbole come out of the woodwork.
Jones was tied for 2nd most pocket time (with 7 others) at 2.5 second per snap in 2022.
Jones was right in the middle of the league in pressure percentage at 23.3% of the time.
Jones just simply wasn’t in the disadvantage many insist he was.
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Still standing firm is incredible
I don't know what a "Jones stans" is but I do know that this is a useless argument on Day 4 of camp.
Maybe he's Dave Brown 2.0 or alternatively. maybe with the benefit of some NFL caliber combo of OL, weapons, coaching he's some middle tier QB e.g. Ryan Tannehill. I don't know. But let's see the thing play out a bit shall we?
Day 4 of camp or August of year 4 with the same issues?
I'd say Jones issues have been:
-team's complete inability to run the ball (setting up near constant bad down/distance situations)
-inability to pass block
-unimaginative and ineffective coaching
-ridiculously high rate of injury of skill position players
-his own injury problems
-his ball security issues
In that order.
So none of it’s his fault, got it.
Halt the legend status.
People will need to learn to calm down. Maybe.
LOL
Meanwhile you read they focused on the run game and threw 18 total passes, with this comment from Daboll: "Some times in practice you just ask the QB to throw it up because you simply want to see how the DBs play that ball".
This is going to be a Jones fest every day on these threads.... lol
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Still standing firm is incredible
I don't know what a "Jones stans" is but I do know that this is a useless argument on Day 4 of camp.
Maybe he's Dave Brown 2.0 or alternatively. maybe with the benefit of some NFL caliber combo of OL, weapons, coaching he's some middle tier QB e.g. Ryan Tannehill. I don't know. But let's see the thing play out a bit shall we?
Day 4 of camp or August of year 4 with the same issues?
I'd say Jones issues have been:
-team's complete inability to run the ball (setting up near constant bad down/distance situations)
-inability to pass block
-unimaginative and ineffective coaching
-ridiculously high rate of injury of skill position players
-his own injury problems
-his ball security issues
In that order.
So none of it’s his fault, got it.
>> Reading comprehension.
-his own injury problems
-his ball security issues
Those things are his fault.
>> Can we just let it play the fck out?
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If you guys remember from his first training camp, he was remarkably accurate, hitting guys in stride, something Eli struggled in. This was mentioned in threads repeatedly.
Besides coaching him to make tight window throws (which he did a LOT as a rookie), Daboll has to de-program Jones from Garrett's "don't you dare make a mistake" offense.
Jones may be unfixable, but Daboll is going to try to get the most out of him. I expected struggles early. Taylor has looked better because he knows the playbook having been in Buffalo.
Let it play out.
Career completion percentages:
Eli Manning: 60.3 percent
Daniel Jones 62.8 percent
Eli was a down field passer. DJ is not. So you would expect DJ to have a higher completion percentage. And DJ can only attain 62.8% even though he has the lowest yards per pass attempt in the league. Not good.
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Besides coaching him to make tight window throws (which he did a LOT as a rookie), Daboll has to de-program Jones from Garrett's "don't you dare make a mistake" offense.
Jones may be unfixable, but Daboll is going to try to get the most out of him. I expected struggles early. Taylor has looked better because he knows the playbook having been in Buffalo.
Let it play out.
Taylor and Dabol were not in Buffalo at the same time. Taylor left Buffalo before Dabol got there. Taylor has looked better because he has more experience playing in various systems and he has no pressure on him.
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If you guys remember from his first training camp, he was remarkably accurate, hitting guys in stride, something Eli struggled in. This was mentioned in threads repeatedly.
Besides coaching him to make tight window throws (which he did a LOT as a rookie), Daboll has to de-program Jones from Garrett's "don't you dare make a mistake" offense.
Jones may be unfixable, but Daboll is going to try to get the most out of him. I expected struggles early. Taylor has looked better because he knows the playbook having been in Buffalo.
Let it play out.
Career completion percentages:
Eli Manning: 60.3 percent
Daniel Jones 62.8 percent
Eli was a down field passer. DJ is not. So you would expect DJ to have a higher completion percentage. And DJ can only attain 62.8% even though he has the lowest yards per pass attempt in the league. Not good.
Team can't run the ball. They also generally lack downfield weapons and even to the extent they have a little bit of downfield speed (Engram via seam, Slayton), they never really use it because of persistent OL leaks and the fact that the OC is a pussy.
Play a little multiple choice: You feel this is the kind of environment that:
a) destroys a QBs chance to develop and show well
b) doesn't matter; its always the QBs fault
I choose to live in 2022. Let's see if Jones can be good or solid or adequate. If he is not, so be it...Taylor will serve as a bridge to whatever is next. But to have an all day, every day thread about Jones is...what's the word I am looking for...STUPID.
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If you guys remember from his first training camp, he was remarkably accurate, hitting guys in stride, something Eli struggled in. This was mentioned in threads repeatedly.
Besides coaching him to make tight window throws (which he did a LOT as a rookie), Daboll has to de-program Jones from Garrett's "don't you dare make a mistake" offense.
Jones may be unfixable, but Daboll is going to try to get the most out of him. I expected struggles early. Taylor has looked better because he knows the playbook having been in Buffalo.
Let it play out.
Career completion percentages:
Eli Manning: 60.3 percent
Daniel Jones 62.8 percent
Eli was a down field passer. DJ is not. So you would expect DJ to have a higher completion percentage. And DJ can only attain 62.8% even though he has the lowest yards per pass attempt in the league. Not good.
totally correct. and let's not forget completion pcts are higher in this era than in previous eras.
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Still standing firm is incredible
I don't know what a "Jones stans" is but I do know that this is a useless argument on Day 4 of camp.
Maybe he's Dave Brown 2.0 or alternatively. maybe with the benefit of some NFL caliber combo of OL, weapons, coaching he's some middle tier QB e.g. Ryan Tannehill. I don't know. But let's see the thing play out a bit shall we?
Day 4 of camp or August of year 4 with the same issues?
I'd say Jones issues have been:
-team's complete inability to run the ball (setting up near constant bad down/distance situations)
-inability to pass block
-unimaginative and ineffective coaching
-ridiculously high rate of injury of skill position players
-his own injury problems
-his ball security issues
In that order.
So none of it’s his fault, got it.
>> Reading comprehension.
-his own injury problems
-his ball security issues
Those things are his fault.
>> Can we just let it play the fck out?
There’s a lot more he’s at fault for but sure.
1. Andrew Thomas has looked very solid this summer. Has more than held his own against Kayvon Thibodeaux:
2. Leonard Williams is having a strong camp. Looks explosive. He’s the best player on this defense until Xavier McKinney takes that title from him:
3. Oshane Ximines has been one of the surprises of camp. Has gotten the best of Evan Neal a few times. But offside penalties like the first rep here bring back bad memories:
4. NT Justin Ellis jumped offside two straight times. Lot of that from the DL in this drill. Daboll was not happy:
5. Thibodeaux showing his quickness against backup RT Matt Gono:
6. More Thibodeaux vs Thomas:
7. Williams’ strength evident against Shane Lemieux:
8. Dexter Lawrence has been dominant early in camp. Believe this rep is vs. Jamil Douglas (if I ever become coach for a day, I’d cut any player who rolls up his jersey. Real headache for attendance purposes).
9. Good rep for Ximines, eventually, against Neal. But don’t think Daboll appreciated it after another offside penalty:
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Halt the legend status.
People will need to learn to calm down. Maybe.
Bobby Skinner is no QB guru in case you didn't know...
Idk where your info comes from but the camp practice I attended and from what I've seen in highlights of camp he seems to be getting picked on in coverage a bunch... I'm just saying what I've seen... not read.
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Was bad today according to Bobby Skinner.
Halt the legend status.
People will need to learn to calm down. Maybe.
Bobby Skinner is no QB guru in case you didn't know...
But posters on BBI are. Interesting.
And the Aaron Robinson noise is just snippets I've read. I haven't seen any chatter on any DB being picked on so far. Second team DBs (it's not a position with much depth) maybe but not the first.
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Was bad today according to Bobby Skinner.
Halt the legend status.
People will need to learn to calm down. Maybe.
Bobby Skinner is no QB guru in case you didn't know...
But posters on BBI are. Interesting.
And the Aaron Robinson noise is just snippets I've read. I haven't seen any chatter on any DB being picked on so far. Second team DBs (it's not a position with much depth) maybe but not the first.
Im saying at least I have my own opinion from actually watching and not just Bobby Skinner's opinion, having never watched...
So far in this brief bit of camp it has been clear that Tyrod releases the football much faster and has thrown the ball more accurately than DJ has... thats all
53 is Ximines
Im saying at least I have my own opinion from actually watching and not just Bobby Skinner's opinion, having never watched...
So far in this brief bit of camp it has been clear that Tyrod releases the football much faster and has thrown the ball more accurately than DJ has... thats all
Funny, but the reporters haven't mentioned that, well, from what I read.