and he was very candid, he feels this penalty feels too light and the NFL SHOULD appeal and the suspension should be much longer.
Eric, I agree with you but I think it could go deeper than just if this guy were a guard. For the NFL you are walking two tight ropes- one, if you go after Watson further will you be accused of racism (ie Big Ben will be brought up , Kraft etc) but then you also walk the tightrope of how men treat women, sexual violence etc..
I think the league will be asking for much more time.
They also included a clause that Watson can ONLY get massage therapy through the team.
appeal this decision. No way Goodell lets this go with just 6 games while the league speaks on women's rights, sexual abuse etc..
You mean like when they say they are concerned about injuries but then expand the schedule to 17 games?
That is completely different. The NFL is married to the swings in social winds and the push for equality has been huge. To ignore womens rights and safety at a time when they are really trying to bring in other revenue, says to me they will go after this.
I see too many here ignore the reality that the NFL is about $ and perceptions. You mention health and 17 games, the health piece has been in the background and centered specially around the league itself. The Me Too movement, the violence against women by men in power, is a situation far outside their privy and they will want to protect their reputation.
That was a point made on GMFB by Garafolo, those are two different situations. The NFL controlled that penalty this one is an independent arbitrators ruling-so far.
That was a point made on GMFB by Garafolo, those are two different situations. The NFL controlled that penalty this one is an independent arbitrators ruling-so far.
I really hate the Calvin Ridley comparisons. Gambling by a pro athlete is potentially so much more damaging to the overall health of a sport than something like Watson's situation, it's very silly to compare.
And I'm not saying what Ridley did was that big a deal in the context of the actual situation but pro leagues HAVE TO take a hard line stance on it. It has to do with the integrity of the competitive outcome.
Does anyone get the feeling this guy is going to be heckled/booed mercilessly when he plays? I don't know if its the times we live in or just the sheer number of accusations, but this has a different feel to it then the Roethlisberger case. Wishful thinking?
you can take hard stances on multiple things, not just gambling. I completely understand why Ridley's gambling shouldn't be tolerated - but neither should the Watson situation, or the Ray Rice situation, etc.
as I remember seeing quite a few suggesting the Giants should be in on him. I don't know what the actual punishment should be but the NFL needs to better protect against this. Lots of players get these massages. Might be a good time for the league and teams to regulate this by only allowing vetted professionals in these services to be used by the players. If you utilize anyone outside these lists there are severe consequences.
gets a whole season for gambling $1500 and Watson gets 6 games for being a trash human. That's crazy. The NFL can't go an entire season without admitting they think women are a lesser species.
So he got the same amount of games as Deandre Hopkins for having a trace amount of a banned substance.
The NFL, folks!
And way fewer games than someone who gambled. And WAY fewer games than someone who smoked pot (albeit someone who smoked and smoked and smoked and smoked pot).
Per the CBA, both sides agreed to a former Federal judge - a neutral party - to hear these types of disputes. And the judge happens to be a woman, Susan Robinson. She listened to the evidence from both sides back in May. After nearly three months of evaluation, she renders a 15-page report laying out why she made her decision.
So, until proven otherwise, I am going to assume a judge who graduated from UPenn Law and served as a judge for nearly 20 years made a non-emotional, fact-based decision.
Of course, I am sure it's going to be all for naught because the NLPA, inexplicably, agreed to let Goodell handle all appeals. Which means he will likely decide a new outcome rendering a judge's decision completely useless.
The NFLPA is beyond daft for agreeing to let Goodell continue to have THE final word on these situations...
I don't want to suggest I think Watson is not some scum of the earth here, but a process was in place with a neutral party who heard all of the evidence presented. And she seems pretty damn competent for the role....
May appeal for PR reasons, beacuse this is light...but they risk having a stay on this ruling/ That may allow Watson to play at the begining of the season.
Whatever we think of the crime and punishment, the NFL, Browns, and Watson want to move on ASAP and get this out of the headlines.
The Ray Rice story brought up is interesting as his career was over after. That caught everyone by suprise until the video came out. Although there was no "violence" here, any new news, video, etc could change the NFL and others perspective.
Yeah, this is ridiculous. Ray Rice got effectively expelled from the league for less.
After the video dropped, there was nothing Rice could do. If there was video of Watson performing these sexual exploits, the suspension would be much worse.
Yeah, this is ridiculous. Ray Rice got effectively expelled from the league for less.
Last time I checked, there was damning video evidence of Ray Rice and his wife in the elevator. Don't know if there is any of Watson and the plaintiffs. Accusations and no indictment make the arbitrator's job, and to a lesser extent the NFL, that much harder.
Yeah, this is ridiculous. Ray Rice got effectively expelled from the league for less.
For less? Rice coldcocked his wife in an elevator, and then dragged her limp, unconscious body out of the elevator. And looked completely disinterested in trying to help here recover...
Didn’t he bet on the games he played in? Kind of comparing apples with oranges.
I hate to defend the guy but are we sure Watson is a “sexual predator?” That’s a pretty hefty label to throw down. What do we actually know here? And ask yourself why the nfl is (so far) pretty ok with allowing Watson to play?
The whole thing smelled weird to me from the jump. Everything from the Texans to now.
Not ONE person could get this to a criminal trial? Ask yourself why??? Am i nuts to think that’s a little weird?
Apparently they limited the scope of their report and the subsequent suspension to just a portion of the victims with a larger amount of evidence? This is a conduct penalty by the league and not a criminal court. Therefore, if you have enough confidence in a suspension due to a declaration of Watson committing the alleged acts, surely the couple dozen other allegations that follow the same exact pattern of misconduct are more likely than not to be true.
So, we have a habitual offender which has cast the entire league in a negative light via high-profile coverage for a very long period of time, and all he gets is a slap on the wrist? In my opinion, such repeated acts of disrespect towards another person, where they were degraded and now have to live with a screwed-up experience for the rest of their lives, while many have also been brave enough to have their name on public records admitting to the abuse they were forced to experience, and the guy just misses six games?
If any average person did this shit and their employer came to the conclusion the employee was guilty of such accusations, they would simply be fired. Meanwhile, he knows how to throw a football, so he not only doesn't get fired, he also gets a huge new contract.
The less I want to defend Watson or the NFL. I just hate not knowing the facts or what really happened but the nfl’s track record with this kind of thing isn’t exactly clear cut.
Wasn't he held out the entire year?
The NFL, folks!
Was it his choice? I did not realize it.
I thought it was a Texans decision due to the legal issues
thanks (ignore my post please lol)
Eric, I agree with you but I think it could go deeper than just if this guy were a guard. For the NFL you are walking two tight ropes- one, if you go after Watson further will you be accused of racism (ie Big Ben will be brought up , Kraft etc) but then you also walk the tightrope of how men treat women, sexual violence etc..
I think the league will be asking for much more time.
They also included a clause that Watson can ONLY get massage therapy through the team.
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and I believe he was inactive due to his own choice IIRC, which was also for injury protection.
Was it his choice? I did not realize it.
I thought it was a Texans decision due to the legal issues
thanks (ignore my post please lol)
It doesn't matter on choice, it was he was inactive and was paid. Suspended means no pay.
I mean... I don't want to be in the position of defending Watson...
But Watson gets off ejaculating in front of women.
Bauer gets off PUNCHING THEM IN THE !@#$ HEAD.
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Being Trevor Bauer today. What a joke
Bauer won his court case. Some people like rough sex.
I mean... I don't want to be in the position of defending Watson...
But Watson gets off ejaculating in front of women.
Bauer gets off PUNCHING THEM IN THE !@#$ HEAD.
But hey, Goodell gives out free hugs at the draft so everything is good bro!
I'm pretty sure the NFL doesn't mind being hypocrites. They'll take whatever action that will get this out of the news cycle fastest.
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26m
nearly $45M signing bonus?
keeps all $45M
$46M salary for 2022?
keeps $45.65M
remaining fully guaranteed $184M?
keeps all $184M
6 game suspension?
equal to DeAndre Hopkins for "trace" amount of a PED in 1 test
games missed?
NFL gave CLE the #1 easiest schedule weeks 1-6
You mean like when they say they are concerned about injuries but then expand the schedule to 17 games?
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appeal this decision. No way Goodell lets this go with just 6 games while the league speaks on women's rights, sexual abuse etc..
You mean like when they say they are concerned about injuries but then expand the schedule to 17 games?
That is completely different. The NFL is married to the swings in social winds and the push for equality has been huge. To ignore womens rights and safety at a time when they are really trying to bring in other revenue, says to me they will go after this.
I see too many here ignore the reality that the NFL is about $ and perceptions. You mention health and 17 games, the health piece has been in the background and centered specially around the league itself. The Me Too movement, the violence against women by men in power, is a situation far outside their privy and they will want to protect their reputation.
That was a point made on GMFB by Garafolo, those are two different situations. The NFL controlled that penalty this one is an independent arbitrators ruling-so far.
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- Calvin Ridley
That was a point made on GMFB by Garafolo, those are two different situations. The NFL controlled that penalty this one is an independent arbitrators ruling-so far.
I really hate the Calvin Ridley comparisons. Gambling by a pro athlete is potentially so much more damaging to the overall health of a sport than something like Watson's situation, it's very silly to compare.
And I'm not saying what Ridley did was that big a deal in the context of the actual situation but pro leagues HAVE TO take a hard line stance on it. It has to do with the integrity of the competitive outcome.
The NFL, folks!
And way fewer games than someone who gambled. And WAY fewer games than someone who smoked pot (albeit someone who smoked and smoked and smoked and smoked pot).
So, until proven otherwise, I am going to assume a judge who graduated from UPenn Law and served as a judge for nearly 20 years made a non-emotional, fact-based decision.
Of course, I am sure it's going to be all for naught because the NLPA, inexplicably, agreed to let Goodell handle all appeals. Which means he will likely decide a new outcome rendering a judge's decision completely useless.
The NFLPA is beyond daft for agreeing to let Goodell continue to have THE final word on these situations...
I don't want to suggest I think Watson is not some scum of the earth here, but a process was in place with a neutral party who heard all of the evidence presented. And she seems pretty damn competent for the role....
So his career was over because of it.
And I'm not saying that is the right or wrong decision, simply pointing out the unofficial "punishment" angle for Rice.
Whatever we think of the crime and punishment, the NFL, Browns, and Watson want to move on ASAP and get this out of the headlines.
The Ray Rice story brought up is interesting as his career was over after. That caught everyone by suprise until the video came out. Although there was no "violence" here, any new news, video, etc could change the NFL and others perspective.
Yeah, this is ridiculous. Ray Rice got effectively expelled from the league for less.
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6 games for being a sexual predator. seems right
Yeah, this is ridiculous. Ray Rice got effectively expelled from the league for less.
After the video dropped, there was nothing Rice could do. If there was video of Watson performing these sexual exploits, the suspension would be much worse.
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6 games for being a sexual predator. seems right
Yeah, this is ridiculous. Ray Rice got effectively expelled from the league for less.
Last time I checked, there was damning video evidence of Ray Rice and his wife in the elevator. Don't know if there is any of Watson and the plaintiffs. Accusations and no indictment make the arbitrator's job, and to a lesser extent the NFL, that much harder.
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6 games for being a sexual predator. seems right
Yeah, this is ridiculous. Ray Rice got effectively expelled from the league for less.
For less? Rice coldcocked his wife in an elevator, and then dragged her limp, unconscious body out of the elevator. And looked completely disinterested in trying to help here recover...
Didn’t he bet on the games he played in? Kind of comparing apples with oranges.
I hate to defend the guy but are we sure Watson is a “sexual predator?” That’s a pretty hefty label to throw down. What do we actually know here? And ask yourself why the nfl is (so far) pretty ok with allowing Watson to play?
The whole thing smelled weird to me from the jump. Everything from the Texans to now.
Not ONE person could get this to a criminal trial? Ask yourself why??? Am i nuts to think that’s a little weird?
So, we have a habitual offender which has cast the entire league in a negative light via high-profile coverage for a very long period of time, and all he gets is a slap on the wrist? In my opinion, such repeated acts of disrespect towards another person, where they were degraded and now have to live with a screwed-up experience for the rest of their lives, while many have also been brave enough to have their name on public records admitting to the abuse they were forced to experience, and the guy just misses six games?
If any average person did this shit and their employer came to the conclusion the employee was guilty of such accusations, they would simply be fired. Meanwhile, he knows how to throw a football, so he not only doesn't get fired, he also gets a huge new contract.