B can just be an anomaly and we'd have to then pay to keep Jones. He'd have to have a hell of a season for me to think he's turned the corner, and also do it again and again moving forward.
But I’ll take B. Regardless of how the rookies do this year, they remain the hope for the future. If DJ plays lights out for one year, someone will pay him, but not necessarily the Giants. I trust Daboll to evaluate and Schoen to NOT overpay.
if Jones has a breakthrough campaign. And by that, I mean Jones is so good that it's worth the stretch to re-sign him to big dollars.
Now, I would still be skeptical, but since the QB position is the hardest position to solve for in the NFL, that would be huge relief.
You can't be skeptical if you're going to be responsible for handing the guy 25-35 million a year, I'd say.
Suppose he does have a great year, he would have every right to come to the table and ask for top 10 QB money.
I dont think most people would love that debate.
I'm always skeptical about anyone - largely - until I see consecutive years of high-level performance. That's me.
But if Jones plays lights out - say 33/11, 68%, 8+ YPA, 8+ AY/A, GWDs, playoffs, etc - I could see huge momentum for to sign him...with Daboll getting tons of credit for his handywork; and how Jones could shine even more in a second year under the same HC/OC, etc...
than no thanks. You are getting around Tannehill level of play which requires a great team to make noise. There’s probably 6 or 7 QBs that can really carry an offense and that’s where it would need to be for me to forfeit A in favor of B.
top-7 is less of a fluke than top-10. QB is by far the most important position on the field. Solve that and we are on our way.
I think most of us know what a great year at QB looks like. It's combination of stats and eye test. A lot of QBs have good years, but great years are much, much different.
If Jones gets to that level in 2022, it's going to be hard not to sign him to a huge second contract.
If Jones has a top 10 season, then "C" has to happen, which is a second contract with a minimum 35 million per year.
He can be tagged. And if it’s truly $35m then I don’t mind overpaying for 1 year to find out if he can do it again. Better than guaranteeing double that or more, and tying this new regime to his success or failure.
I am hopeful they evaluate the talent around the QB and have a baseline expectation. It gets complicated after that but the first step is raising that baseline with a all around better offensive team.
In the end I expect it will be through the draft but if they are not able to fulfill that they will need a alternative plan. This is where Jones or another FA comes into play for 2023 if needed.
but only because option A is actually a possibility
Jones just doesnt have what it takes, he's serviceable but he's no top 10 QB.
I am not going to argue that DJ a top ten QB (or even close), but you must realize that what you are saying is exactly what was said about both Phil Simms and Eli Manning heading into their 4th years right?
but only because option A is actually a possibility
Jones just doesnt have what it takes, he's serviceable but he's no top 10 QB.
I am not going to argue that DJ a top ten QB (or even close), but you must realize that what you are saying is exactly what was said about both Phil Simms and Eli Manning heading into their 4th years right?
Simms didn't even play his fourth year, he was out for the season with a knee injury.
Due to Jones' work ethic. Its kind of proof that it was the coaching staff and surrounding talent. If he makes that leap, I dont think he's coming back down.
the case before any QB or RB was chosen. The Giants totally got away from that for so many years and look where they've gotten
All the Giants problems started when the LOS fell apart. They never adequately replaced what was once a strength. Decade and counting......
Why didn't they? You would have expected Mara to know that given how the Giants won games for at least 30 years.
The great mystery. Little over 40 years as a fan and winning the physical battle has always led to good things with at least competitive and enjoyable football.
I think a lot stemmed from Reese and team going to "modernization" but with all the stuff that came out about the front office for years who knows for sure. Dave certainly did very little to chance the trajectory.
than no thanks. You are getting around Tannehill level of play which requires a great team to make noise. There’s probably 6 or 7 QBs that can really carry an offense and that’s where it would need to be for me to forfeit A in favor of B.
Why, it doesn't say Thibs and Neal end up busts. By far the the best scenario is Jones proves he's worthy of keeping and Neal and Thibs show the ability to grow into key pieces. QB is by far harder to fill.
The expection with Neal and Thibs is that they're going to be excellent to great, and they have 3-4 years to prove it repeatedly.
I would always be skeptical of players that come out of the blue with a great season and then you have to pay them huge money.
A2) They are studs, but Jones is a complete bust
B1) Jones is top 10 but Neal and KT5 are clearly busts
B2) Jones is top 10, but Neal and KT5 struggle
I’ll take A1 or B2
Now, I would still be skeptical, but since the QB position is the hardest position to solve for in the NFL, that would be huge relief.
Now, I would still be skeptical, but since the QB position is the hardest position to solve for in the NFL, that would be huge relief.
You can't be skeptical if you're going to be responsible for handing the guy 25-35 million a year, I'd say.
Suppose he does have a great year, he would have every right to come to the table and ask for top 10 QB money.
I dont think most people would love that debate.
Jones just doesnt have what it takes, he's serviceable but he's no top 10 QB.
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if Jones has a breakthrough campaign. And by that, I mean Jones is so good that it's worth the stretch to re-sign him to big dollars.
Now, I would still be skeptical, but since the QB position is the hardest position to solve for in the NFL, that would be huge relief.
You can't be skeptical if you're going to be responsible for handing the guy 25-35 million a year, I'd say.
Suppose he does have a great year, he would have every right to come to the table and ask for top 10 QB money.
I dont think most people would love that debate.
I'm always skeptical about anyone - largely - until I see consecutive years of high-level performance. That's me.
But if Jones plays lights out - say 33/11, 68%, 8+ YPA, 8+ AY/A, GWDs, playoffs, etc - I could see huge momentum for to sign him...with Daboll getting tons of credit for his handywork; and how Jones could shine even more in a second year under the same HC/OC, etc...
I think most of us know what a great year at QB looks like. It's combination of stats and eye test. A lot of QBs have good years, but great years are much, much different.
If Jones gets to that level in 2022, it's going to be hard not to sign him to a huge second contract.
He can be tagged. And if it’s truly $35m then I don’t mind overpaying for 1 year to find out if he can do it again. Better than guaranteeing double that or more, and tying this new regime to his success or failure.
I am hopeful they evaluate the talent around the QB and have a baseline expectation. It gets complicated after that but the first step is raising that baseline with a all around better offensive team.
In the end I expect it will be through the draft but if they are not able to fulfill that they will need a alternative plan. This is where Jones or another FA comes into play for 2023 if needed.
Jones just doesnt have what it takes, he's serviceable but he's no top 10 QB.
I am not going to argue that DJ a top ten QB (or even close), but you must realize that what you are saying is exactly what was said about both Phil Simms and Eli Manning heading into their 4th years right?
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but only because option A is actually a possibility
Jones just doesnt have what it takes, he's serviceable but he's no top 10 QB.
I am not going to argue that DJ a top ten QB (or even close), but you must realize that what you are saying is exactly what was said about both Phil Simms and Eli Manning heading into their 4th years right?
Simms didn't even play his fourth year, he was out for the season with a knee injury.
All the Giants problems started when the LOS fell apart. They never adequately replaced what was once a strength. Decade and counting......
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the case before any QB or RB was chosen. The Giants totally got away from that for so many years and look where they've gotten
All the Giants problems started when the LOS fell apart. They never adequately replaced what was once a strength. Decade and counting......
Why didn't they? You would have expected Mara to know that given how the Giants won games for at least 30 years.
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the case before any QB or RB was chosen. The Giants totally got away from that for so many years and look where they've gotten
All the Giants problems started when the LOS fell apart. They never adequately replaced what was once a strength. Decade and counting......
Why didn't they? You would have expected Mara to know that given how the Giants won games for at least 30 years.
The great mystery. Little over 40 years as a fan and winning the physical battle has always led to good things with at least competitive and enjoyable football.
I think a lot stemmed from Reese and team going to "modernization" but with all the stuff that came out about the front office for years who knows for sure. Dave certainly did very little to chance the trajectory.
Why, it doesn't say Thibs and Neal end up busts. By far the the best scenario is Jones proves he's worthy of keeping and Neal and Thibs show the ability to grow into key pieces. QB is by far harder to fill.