I know we are all so excited to see another Jones thread, lol, myself included. But honestly, reports are that he has struggled so far in camp. He has what the “experts” say are two creative offensive minds in Daboll and Kafka who have worked with arguably the leagues two top QB’s in Allen and Mahomes (I say arguably because Herbert looks like the real deal).
If he goes out and stinks up the joint in preseason they have to roll with Tyrod right? It’s year four, if the light hasn’t gone on yet it’s not happening.
I hope that’s the case if that scenario plays out. If they end up rolling with Jones after that scenario potentially occurs it means one of two things:
1.) they are “tanking” to put themselves in a better position to draft a QB next April or
2.) Jones is still on scholarship per ownership.
People are making light of Jones throwing poorly in these practices. Great QBs make great throws routinely. That's just a fact. Even tight window throws. If Jones can't execute in practice, how will he do it during competitive games. And then how will he do it when the stakes are even bigger, like the playoffs.
sure they want to play well, but it's a real low percentage of nfl coaches that put any real weight into those games.
Plus, teams are putting starters out there less and less (for most teams) and there's only 3 games.
Jones is the starter and will be all year barring the wheels totally coming off
sure they want to play well, but it's a real low percentage of nfl coaches that put any real weight into those games.
Plus, teams are putting starters out there less and less (for most teams) and there's only 3 games.
Jones is the starter and will be all year barring the wheels totally coming off
maybe. but if he plays like shit he should and will be out. What is the point of watching Jones play terribly all season. It's not necessary. If he doesn't play well in the first 6 games (or so) they should make a change. This isn't a science experiment. This is a multi-billion dollar sports franchise and wasting time is a sin. Time is our most valuable resource. You don't squander it on subpar talent.
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it's an extended practice, where coaches on both sides are experimenting and trying things, testing guys.
sure they want to play well, but it's a real low percentage of nfl coaches that put any real weight into those games.
Plus, teams are putting starters out there less and less (for most teams) and there's only 3 games.
Jones is the starter and will be all year barring the wheels totally coming off
maybe. but if he plays like shit he should and will be out. What is the point of watching Jones play terribly all season. It's not necessary. If he doesn't play well in the first 6 games (or so) they should make a change. This isn't a science experiment. This is a multi-billion dollar sports franchise and wasting time is a sin. Time is our most valuable resource. You don't squander it on subpar talent.
Totally agree. This fan base has watched a lot of trash football the last several years. If Jones sucks, I’ll take your 6 down to after 4 games, put Tyrod in and let the season play out. Tyrod is a bridge QB, but he has the skills and experience to at least make a rebuilding year slightly more entertaining.
thank you. and playing most of the time behind one of the worst o lines and least imaginative offensive schemes in the league. there's no guarantee he'll break out, but to bench him because he has a few bad games for tyrod taylor would be absurd. but the haters just want to shit on him - they still can't forgive him for being taken #6 overall
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suck because he hasn't become elite after 3 seasons are advocating for Taylor, a guy who hasn't become elite after 11 seasons. I'm not saying anyone is wrong about Jones, but how about a little intellectual consistency
thank you. and playing most of the time behind one of the worst o lines and least imaginative offensive schemes in the league. there's no guarantee he'll break out, but to bench him because he has a few bad games for tyrod taylor would be absurd. but the haters just want to shit on him - they still can't forgive him for being taken #6 overall
I’m not a Jones hater. I’ve defended him several times for the reasons you noted. However, I am very concerned that after an entire offseason under Daboll and Kafka he still seems to suck based on all reports I have seen thus far. It’s year 4, time to do something. If he sucks in preseason I’d rather see Taylor or Webb start week 1 as ridiculous as that sounds. We deserve better than this as fans.
That is not true. There are plenty here who hate him and any success he has will destroy their built up narratives. There are fans actively rooting for his failure to feed their I am superior egos.
I am not defending Jones anymore, those days have passed but I don't want him to fail either. If he plays well and we win then yes fricking haw. If he plays poorly we look for a new QB in 23, kind of like I expect our plan has been all along since Schoen and Daboll were hired.
That is exactly how I feel about him. I have no I’ll will towards him whatsoever, he seems like a solid human being. He just doesn’t seem to have what it takes to be a consistent winner in the NFL, and he may go on to have moderate success with another team. As a fan I’m willing to give him this season to prove me wrong, but it’s not like I have a choice.
And repeating the same narratives ad nauseam.
At any rate, I'm more concerned with TT being our QB for the 2023 season, which seems like a real possibility at this point.
With DJ, there's always this glint of hope even if it's unrealistic.
With TT, we're losing a lot of games and have to hope we lose enough to have a real shot in the draft.
Seriously, though… Taylor will mostly play with backups, against backups. The comparison won’t mean much, unless the differences are truly glaring.
As for the OP, I don't see Taylor starting week 1 for any reason other than a Jones injury. Jones will have every opportunity to learn the new system and execute what has been billed as a much better offense for QB's. There's no camp competition, IMO, Jones is the starter.
People are making light of Jones throwing poorly in these practices. Great QBs make great throws routinely. That's just a fact. Even tight window throws. If Jones can't execute in practice, how will he do it during competitive games. And then how will he do it when the stakes are even bigger, like the playoffs.
Disagree about practice. Dak Prescott has said he purposely throws passes in training camp that he would never throw in a game or hold the ball longer for someone to get open because any rep that results in throwing the ball away is a wasted rep.
Now, unless I am having a senior moment or two, Taylor did not have a wonderful day yesterday(I also don't remember any reporter praising him) - believe all the QBs have been marginal. Also, Daboll said he wants Jones to just throw the ball into tight windows during camp to show him what he can and cannot do. Basically, just let it fly. It also lets Kafka and Daboll show him on tape, what he is doing wrong. I am sure he has developed bad habits the last two years.
This is a new offense - like the Gilbride offense, the QB and WRs need to be on the same page. If either one reads something different, the play is fubar.
I am certainly not expecting Jones to be seriously better than what we have seen. But I think I would let them get about 3 weeks into camp, when they have all had a chance to learn the play book and build a chemistry before throwing anymore dirt on the grave.
Again, I do not expect much different from Jones, but let's see what Kafka and Daboll can do with the offense.
I guess you missed Ranaan saying Jimmy G isn't happening...
But don't worry you will likely see both this year as both have a hard time staying on the field.
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Im sure that was stated clearly when he took the job. DJ scholarship is over. Watching the previous two seasons of Jones game films will scare anybody. I think the interest in Jimmy G is real and I also think Jones will not start if he continues to play poorly.
I guess you missed Ranaan saying Jimmy G isn't happening...
All I said was the interest was real. Did not say I expect it to happen
On this site? Not possible. Even just a little logic would be good. Commenters on here moan about the fact we have no secondary depth, them rave about Taylor looking so good against that lack of depth.
I was just about to say this, i'm glad i read the comments first. NFL coaches play the players that give them the best chance to win the games. (except Doug Peterson that one time)
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Im sure that was stated clearly when he took the job. DJ scholarship is over. Watching the previous two seasons of Jones game films will scare anybody. I think the interest in Jimmy G is real and I also think Jones will not start if he continues to play poorly.
I guess you missed Ranaan saying Jimmy G isn't happening...
All I said was the interest was real. Did not say I expect it to happen
I doubt the interest was real at all. If most here are right, then DJ sucks at 8 mill, instead of JG sucking at 27 mill+
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Im sure that was stated clearly when he took the job. DJ scholarship is over. Watching the previous two seasons of Jones game films will scare anybody. I think the interest in Jimmy G is real and I also think Jones will not start if he continues to play poorly.
I guess you missed Ranaan saying Jimmy G isn't happening...
All I said was the interest was real. Did not say I expect it to happen
Where, exactly, did anyone of any value say it was real interest? All we get are quips from people nobody heard of and a reporter or two regurgitating. One of the more trust worthy beats say it isn't there.
Never say never, but it makes absolutely no sense to pursue a QB as a rental on a team strapped for cash, building from the draft but trading draft picks for that rental. It seems absolutely incongruous to what Schoen is doing. He is trying to dump salaries and survive the year.
Tyrod Taylor's long term plan is placeholder next year while we find a new QB.
If Jones sucks, they're going to let him suck so it nets us a higher draft pick and Daboll can get "his guy". They're not going to put Taylor in to try and be mediocre.
Taylor is an older, slower version of a once bottom tier NFL starter.
He’s not Mike Glennon. But he’s closer to that guy than he is a legit NFL starter.
But those saying Jones playing poorly in practice means nothing are delusional. I remember hearing once that at his peak Peyton Manning was completing 90% of his passes in controlled practice. Practice is easier.
[quote] In comment 15768784 Bill in UT said:
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suck because he hasn't become elite after 3 seasons are advocating for Taylor, a guy who hasn't become elite after 11 seasons. I'm not saying anyone is wrong about Jones, but how about a little intellectual consistency
thank you. and playing most of the time behind one of the worst o lines and least imaginative offensive schemes in the league. there's no guarantee he'll break out, but to bench him because he has a few bad games for tyrod taylor would be absurd. but the haters just want to shit on him - they still can't forgive him for being taken #6 overall [/quote
Tyrod Taylor was hired strictly as a backup. If Jones shits the bed totally we will get the high draft pick enabling us to get his replacement
Talkin Giants
Explained the whole offense looked like shit. OL bad, receivers running wrong routes, Jones, etc...
But those saying Jones playing poorly in practice means nothing are delusional. I remember hearing once that at his peak Peyton Manning was completing 90% of his passes in controlled practice. Practice is easier.
I’m delusional. It means nothing. Nothing until the bullets start flying, imv
People are making light of Jones throwing poorly in these practices. Great QBs make great throws routinely. That's just a fact. Even tight window throws. If Jones can't execute in practice, how will he do it during competitive games. And then how will he do it when the stakes are even bigger, like the playoffs.
Perhaps they are not over reacting to some bad throws because they are paying attention to what Dabol has said In his pressers
Why is 'elite' the standard here?
If the offense performs at the levels that of when Glennon and Fromm - then you will see a switch.