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#Giants Daboll - will keep rotating some of the OL now....want poaition flexibility..will plan to eventually settle on the starting five
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Daboll said they’re going to keep rotating offensive linemen around until settling on the five. Ideally, Daboll would like to keep the same during the season.
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#Giants Daboll - dexter lawrence big and smart and a tremendous leader.....
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Daboll—Dex looks good, real smart player, practiced well.
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Giants won’t be in pads today. Daboll said it’ll be a third-and-10 plus focus in today’s practice, so obviously not set up to be advantageous for the offense.
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Daboll said Dexter Lawrence has practiced really well since he got here. “He leads in his own way.” When you’re talented and smart, that usually makes you a good leader, Daboll said.
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#Giants Daboll - feel terrible for belton (collarbone)...was doing a real good job at camp...mature for a young player
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#Giants Daboll - belton does NOT need surgery
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Daboll said Belton was having a good offseason and is really mature for a young player. Daboll said he will not need surgery.
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Daboll said Feliciano is “real close” and should be at practice today. He might not do team drills though.
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Sounds like the end of the two-year #Giants OL rotation once the regular season games come. Brian Daboll wants to identify the best 5, unless it’s close. Remember, that philosophy came from #Patriots, where Daboll grew up
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Belton is not expected to need surgery, per Brian Daboll. So this is why the Giants expect him to be back around the start of the season.
Daboll concedes it’s tough for a rookie to miss training camp. But Belton has been impressive and is quite diligent and mature.
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Daboll says Yusuf Corker has been improving every day.
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Daboll said Corker is instinctive. “He’ll get his opportunities.”
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#Giants Daboll - barkley looks explosive...quick and strong...looks good
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Daboll said Saquon looks “explosive.” He didn’t have the exact number but said Saquon hit a pretty high speed on the GPS yesterday.
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When you see Daniel Jones’ stats today, keep in mind they are practicing 3rd and 10-plus for most of the team periods. #Giants
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Daboll says TE Ricky Seals-Jones will not practice today.
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First strong center today is Ben Bredeson today in a rotation that started with Jamil Douglas and Shane Lemieux factoring in as Feliciano sits out
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Ben Bredeson working as the 1st team Center in the opening jog through
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Jon Feliciano back out here today. Might just work on side with trainers, but good sign he’s progressing after missing the last few practices with heat-related issues, per Brian Daboll. #Giants
- Only one team in the NFL (Chiefs) was above 50% on 3rd down conversions in 2021 (all 3rd downs, not just 10+)
- 50% of NFL teams were below 40% on ALL 3rd down attempts
- This includes ALL 3rd downs, not just 3rd and long
- The defense is also practicing 3rd and long.
- If the Giants O is producing over 40% on 3rd and long, there's something wrong with the defense.
- Be patient, it's practice
I'm sure everyone will be. But if Jones doesn't go 17 for 18 (with the one incompletion a drop) it's obvious he's having a terrible camp and stinks. :)
- Only one team in the NFL (Chiefs) was above 50% on 3rd down conversions in 2021 (all 3rd downs, not just 10+)
- 50% of NFL teams were below 40% on ALL 3rd down attempts
- This includes ALL 3rd downs, not just 3rd and long
- The defense is also practicing 3rd and long.
- If the Giants O is producing over 40% on 3rd and long, there's something wrong with the defense.
- Be patient, it's practice
I'm sure everyone will be. But if Jones doesn't go 17 for 18 (with the one incompletion a drop) it's obvious he's having a terrible camp and stinks. :)
I don't care if they practice 3rd & 30... I just don't want to see him holding the ball for 5 seconds and releasing it only after the defense clearly would have sacked him if not for his "red jersey" and I don't want to see him consistently throwing the ball late or behind or over his guys heads left and right is all
We should be rooting for the defense to play well today
I don't care if they practice 3rd & 30... I just don't want to see him holding the ball for 5 seconds and releasing it only after the defense clearly would have sacked him if not for his "red jersey" and I don't want to see him consistently throwing the ball late or behind or over his guys heads left and right is all
You won't get enough information to determine if he's done any of those things.
So, at least until the 1st pre-season game, you're good!
:)
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Brian Daboll just showed a play in individuals: direct snap to Kadarius Toney, play action to Saquon, pass to Wan’Dale Robinson #Giants
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As suspected, Kadarius Toney just took a rep as a wildcat QB in individual drills. Saquon and Wan’Dale Robinson lined up alongside him in the backfield
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Daniel Jones’ first two passes of 9-on-9 aren’t great. High & errant for Toney. He then tried to go back to Toney on the next one but Adoree Jackson picked him off & ran it back the other way #Giants
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In 9v9s Quincy Roche just had two great pass rushes at the expense of Matt Gono at RT. Not in full pads but one inside dip from Roche went virtually untouched.
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Backup RB Antonio Williams appeared to injure his left knee in a 1-on-1 drill. Knee is now wrapped so he’s done for today (at least).
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Would have been close to two sacks, but Daniel Jones much better to start full-team drills. Hit James & Toney for long first downs, then Miller & Sills. Lots of zip. The throw to Toney was particularly impressive. Hit him right in stride #Jets
The OL seems to have struggled on the inside without him. But Lemieux seems to be getting good reports at both LG and OC (brief appearances). Thus far, their best OL has seen Ezeudu at LG and Lemieux at OC. So those two and Feliciano could be battling out 2 spots.
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Would have been close to two sacks, but Daniel Jones much better to start full-team drills. Hit James & Toney for long first downs, then Miller & Sills. Lots of zip. The throw to Toney was particularly impressive. Hit him right in stride #Jets
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Ximines getting reps with 1s
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Daboll about to blow a gasket over pass rushers coming to close to the QBs. Lit into Oshane Ximines, who nearly made contact with Daniel Jones’ legs as he threw a pass. Then Niko Lalos got an earful for coming too close to Davis Webb.
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Kenny Golladay is not participating in the Giants’ 11 on 11, now in two minute drill
CJ Board takes his place.
Andrew Adams the 3rd safety now in place of injured Dane Belton and Jarren Williams
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Giants just did a 2 minute drill where the 1st team offense won the drill.
Couple big catches by David Sills & CJ Board
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Quite the start in team drills for #Giants QB Daniel Jones. I have him 9-of-10 passing. Of those nine completions, seven went for first downs. Only pass that hit ground was an impressive PBU from Jackson on Board. Got his hand in in comeback.
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Josh Ezeudu is practicing as the 2nd team LT.
The 67th overall pick at Guard on a team with Andrew Thomas & Evan Neal.
Ezeudu has been taking reps at LT since minicamp. His versatility is one of the reasons they drafted him. Even if he beats out Lemieux at LG, his ability to kick outside if Thomas gets hurt is a huge plus.
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Robert Foster collided with a defender in the corner of end zone and was slow to get up. He’s being helped off the field by the training staff. #giants
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WR Robert Foster grabbing his back and wobbly after making a leaping catch in end zone just out of bounds on Tyrod Taylor pass. Cart just came out for him. Hopefully he’s ok #Giants
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Kenny Golladay is not participating in the Giants’ 11 on 11, now in two minute drill
CJ Board takes his place.
Andrew Adams the 3rd safety now in place of injured Dane Belton and Jarren Williams
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Giants just did a 2 minute drill where the 1st team offense won the drill.
Couple big catches by David Sills & CJ Board
Good thing they picked up Adams, they have been thin at safety all along...
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Quite the start in team drills for #Giants QB Daniel Jones. I have him 9-of-10 passing. Of those nine completions, seven went for first downs. Only pass that hit ground was an impressive PBU from Jackson on Board. Got his hand in in comeback.
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Pair of impressive highlight catches. The first by Collin Johnson who made the diving grab down the right sideline — full extension past Jackson. The second came from Darius Slayton who high pointed the ball over a defender for the touchdown. Both passes from Tyrod Taylor #Giants
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Tomon Fox getting in pocket few times, would have been two sacks in real time
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Elerson Smith beats Gono for a sack
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WR Robert Foster shaken up after making a diving catch (but landing out of bounds). Not clear what he injured, but he was carted off the field.
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Darius Slayton makes a nice leaping grab in corner of end zone from Taylor. But, Taylor bobbled snap picked it up and winged it and Roche would have had sack.
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Tyrod Taylor hit both Collin Johnson and Darius Slayton deep. Slayton made an all-hands catch for a TD over corner Khalil Dorsey. Johnson is having a strong camp.
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CB Adoree Jackson ran off sideline to check on WR Robert Foster after Foster was pushed out of bounds and landed hard making a great catch. Yelled out to the trainers that it was just the wind knocked out of him and credited Foster for hanging on to the ball. Leadership #Giants
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Tyrod hit Slayton on a sideline route beating Flott
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Second time this camp we saw Wandale Rumson get a handoff out of the backfield
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Giants ran three different 2:00 drills w three different scenarios.
First teams: 1:17 left offense down 21-20 ball at the 12.
Jones gets offense in FG range thanks to sky high grab by David Sills. Julian Love probs had sack on first snap that wasn’t called. Offense wins.
Second teams: 1:44 left down 21-17 ball at 25.
Collin Johnson makes diving grab to get to D’s 27 w :19 left. Taylor drops snap on last play (probs sack) and chucks blind into endzone where Slayton makes leaping grab. O wins (kinda).
Third team: Down 20-14 ;58 left ball at 38. Davis Webb inc on 1st, sacked on. 2nd, offensive penalty sets up 3&23. Crossing pass to Doss Keelan dropped. D wins. End of period.
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Daniel Jones hits Richie James on a 2nd window slant for a TD after a nice drive.
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Daniel hits Richie James in red for TD, James does backflip in end zone to celebrate
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The #Giants gave Daniel Jones the ball and asked him to drive the field around midfield. It took him five plays to get offense in end zone. He went 3-for-3 (two other plays runs from Robinson, Barkley). Drive capped with TD to James.
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Daniel Jones absolutely tearing it up today at #Giants camp. 🎯
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Daniel’s best practices by far.
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Daniel Jones just went 4 for 4 including a TD to Richie James, who is on my 53 (55) with a strong start to camp.
Completions to Robinson, Toney, Sills, James #Giants
Best day so far for Jones. Ball is hitting the ground a lot less.
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Gavin Heslop seems to have moved from CB to S w Belton sidelined and Jarren Williams waived injured yesterday. A natural CB Heslop started to play some S in Seattle last year.
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Darrian Beavers showing impressive speed picking up Bachman on a deep post. Pass from Taylor was incomplete
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Daniel Jones picked off by Jackson in the red zone. Pass was for Robinson. Jackson’s second pick of the day. This is the first in full team. #Jets
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Adoree Jackson with his second pick of the day again Daniel Jones. Ball was thrown right to him. #giants
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Anddddd I may have just jinxed him. Bad throw picked off by Adoree’ Jackson at the goal line. Might have gone 100 yards the other way.
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Adoree’ with his second pick of day on pass intended for Wan’Dale. Appeared Robinson might have slipped on his cut, not definite about that. Pass from Daniel
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Jones finishes with a deep completion to Saquon Barkley and a TD to another camp standout, David Sills
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Daniel Jones to Saquon Barkley for a long gain down the right side to get offense inside the five. On the next play he finds Sills for a touchdown. Quite the day for the quarterback. Practice is over. #Giants
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Giants Training Camp Day 6 thots
•Daniel Jones looked a lot better in 3rd & long + 2 minute drills but 2 ugly INT’s (went 16/20 2 TD 2 INT)
•Darius Slayton made multiple big plays
•Evan Neal having issues
•Adoree’ Jackson w/ 2 really good INT’s
•Ben Bredeson at 1st team C
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I had Daniel Jones 14 of 16 passing today. He threw two touchdowns and one interception (red zone). Both of his touchdowns came when the staff asked him to drive the field.
I know this is my first day over here but idk what all the fuss about the QB is about 😂 #Giants
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OK, so Jones threw a red zone INT on the next play after this tweet. Still finished practice with a TD to David Sills.
Final #s from live drills: 16-of-20 with 2 TDs, 2 INTs
Clearly the best day for the first-team offense and Jones this camp.
Jones rebounded with a well-placed back shoulder throw to Saquon and then a short TD pass to David Sills to end practice. Easily Jones’ best practice of camp. Looked more decisive and ripped some throws with confidence.
could be a problem with our plethora of slot receivers, no big body receivers. I know we have Kenny G but he's been garbage so far or Giants have been using him like garbage.
could be a problem with our plethora of slot receivers, no big body receivers. I know we have Kenny G but he's been garbage so far or Giants have been using him like garbage.
I would think Golladay, Collin Johnson and Daniel Bellinger would be enough of a big guy package for fades and back shoulder. Red Zone is one area where Jones really needs to get his head in the game. I wouldn't be surprised to see his career red zone TD in <10% range thus far, but i don't have that stat.
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Had Daniel Jones at 16/20 today with 2 TD & 2 INT.
Looked really good today BUT 2nd INT was really bad. 1st one was a 3rd&10 drill on a sack. Also Kenny Golladay seemed to have a rest day and Kadarius Toney was used sparingly but had an awesome 20+ yarder in team drills.
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#Giants Day 6: Off stars-Jones & Slayton (2 sweet catches). Play- Barkley diving back shoulder grab from Jones at the 2. Def stars- AJackson 2 INTs and Evans had back-to-back breakups in endzone. Play of day- Jackson INT (stole pass for WRobinson ober middle)
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Ximines getting reps with 1s
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Daboll about to blow a gasket over pass rushers coming to close to the QBs. Lit into Oshane Ximines, who nearly made contact with Daniel Jones’ legs as he threw a pass. Then Niko Lalos got an earful for coming too close to Davis Webb.
Ximines was warned about this more than 1x at the practice that I attended last week. Daboll has a right to be pissed at this point.
I liked what I've heard about Daniel Jones today vs prior camp days
could be a problem with our plethora of slot receivers, no big body receivers. I know we have Kenny G but he's been garbage so far or Giants have been using him like garbage.
I would think Golladay, Collin Johnson and Daniel Bellinger would be enough of a big guy package for fades and back shoulder. Red Zone is one area where Jones really needs to get his head in the game. I wouldn't be surprised to see his career red zone TD in <10% range thus far, but i don't have that stat.
As much as I like Bell I won't rely on a rookie TE. Still a good chance he will be more productive than Kenny G...
could be a problem with our plethora of slot receivers, no big body receivers. I know we have Kenny G but he's been garbage so far or Giants have been using him like garbage.
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Adoree’ with his second pick of day on pass intended for Wan’Dale. Appeared Robinson might have slipped on his cut, not definite about that. Pass from Daniel [/quote]
I think this was what Daboll was talking about with Jones - just let it go. Get used to making plays vs worrying about bad outcomes.
Today's Jones may have also been the WRs and QBs getting on the same page and making the same reads.
Take the last train to Clarksville
And I'll meet you at the station
You can be be here by four thirty
'Cause I've made your reservation
Don't be slow
Oh, no, no, no
Oh, no, no, no
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1. Some notes from today: I only count 11 v. 11 reps, but during the first period all 11 players were on the field with only half the field live. During that period, Jones was picked by Adoree' Jackson after holding the ball through a would-be sack by Thibdoeaux (beat Thomas).
2. Thibodeaux also beat Thomas around the edge during an 11-on-11 period.
• Jihad Ward had a pressure against Evan Neal in the half-field drill and another on the first play of 11 v 11. Neal has looked like a rookie tackle at times during camp.
3. Quincy Roche has looked good in camp, but has been buried on the depth chart. He was in the backfield a lot today, beating Josh Ezeudu around the edge when Ezeudu was the second-team LT. Oshane Ximines beat Ezeudu in the half-field drill.
4. The second-team OL had a funky look with the guards and tackles swapping positions: LT Ezeudu, LG Hamilton, C Douglas, RG Gono, RT McKethan.
• TE Andre Miller has been getting increasing reps with the 1's.
• Andrew Adams replaced Dane Belton as the No. 3 safety.
5. David Sills took advantage of Kenny Golladay's maintenance day with 4 catches from Jones, including a TD to close practice.
• Darius Slayton had a good practice, catching a pretty deep ball from Tyrod Taylor and leaping over 5-9 CB Khalil Dorsey for a TD on a heave by Taylor
6. Wan'Dale Robinson lined up in the backfield and took a handoff from Jones in a team period.
• Active practice for rookie CB Darren Evans. Had him down for three pass breakups, and he had good coverage to force Robert Foster out of bounds on a deep catch.
has developed a pass rush suddenly. Him and Roche are going to make things interesting at OLB. Gono, otoh, seems to be playing poorly fairly regularly, so that may factor in.
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It really is interesting to watch Kayvon Thibodeaux mixing up his pass rush approaches against Andrew Thomas and to a lesser extent Evan Neal today
Inside, outside, power, speed.
Thomas does good job making Thibodeaux work + diversify. Had two would-be sacks and two pressures.
I think this was what Daboll was talking about with Jones - just let it go. Get used to making plays vs worrying about bad outcomes.
Today's Jones may have also been the WRs and QBs getting on the same page and making the same reads.
Take the last train to Clarksville
And I'll meet you at the station
You can be be here by four thirty
'Cause I've made your reservation
Don't be slow
Oh, no, no, no
Oh, no, no, no The Monkees - Last Train To Clarksville 1966 - ( New Window )
I heard recently that song was a Vietnam protest song, done in such a way that it didn't sound like one.
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Daboll said they got a lot of good work in the pads yesterday, especially in the run game.
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#Giants Daboll - firay day in pads was good....today is 3rd and 10+ yards to go situations
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#Giants Daboll - will keep rotating some of the OL now....want poaition flexibility..will plan to eventually settle on the starting five
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Daboll said they’re going to keep rotating offensive linemen around until settling on the five. Ideally, Daboll would like to keep the same during the season.
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#Giants Daboll - dexter lawrence big and smart and a tremendous leader.....
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Daboll—Dex looks good, real smart player, practiced well.
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Giants won’t be in pads today. Daboll said it’ll be a third-and-10 plus focus in today’s practice, so obviously not set up to be advantageous for the offense.
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Daboll said Dexter Lawrence has practiced really well since he got here. “He leads in his own way.” When you’re talented and smart, that usually makes you a good leader, Daboll said.
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#Giants Daboll - feel terrible for belton (collarbone)...was doing a real good job at camp...mature for a young player
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#Giants Daboll - belton does NOT need surgery
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Daboll said Belton was having a good offseason and is really mature for a young player. Daboll said he will not need surgery.
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Daboll said Feliciano is “real close” and should be at practice today. He might not do team drills though.
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Sounds like the end of the two-year #Giants OL rotation once the regular season games come. Brian Daboll wants to identify the best 5, unless it’s close. Remember, that philosophy came from #Patriots, where Daboll grew up
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Belton is not expected to need surgery, per Brian Daboll. So this is why the Giants expect him to be back around the start of the season.
Daboll concedes it’s tough for a rookie to miss training camp. But Belton has been impressive and is quite diligent and mature.
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Daboll says Yusuf Corker has been improving every day.
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Daboll said Corker is instinctive. “He’ll get his opportunities.”
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#Giants Daboll - barkley looks explosive...quick and strong...looks good
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Daboll said Saquon looks “explosive.” He didn’t have the exact number but said Saquon hit a pretty high speed on the GPS yesterday.
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When you see Daniel Jones’ stats today, keep in mind they are practicing 3rd and 10-plus for most of the team periods. #Giants
- Only one team in the NFL (Chiefs) was above 50% on 3rd down conversions in 2021 (all 3rd downs, not just 10+)
- 50% of NFL teams were below 40% on ALL 3rd down attempts
- This includes ALL 3rd downs, not just 3rd and long
- The defense is also practicing 3rd and long.
- If the Giants O is producing over 40% on 3rd and long, there's something wrong with the defense.
- Be patient, it's practice
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Jon Feliciano is on the field in uniform today. Just walked out here.
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Daboll says TE Ricky Seals-Jones will not practice today.
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First strong center today is Ben Bredeson today in a rotation that started with Jamil Douglas and Shane Lemieux factoring in as Feliciano sits out
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Ben Bredeson working as the 1st team Center in the opening jog through
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Jon Feliciano back out here today. Might just work on side with trainers, but good sign he’s progressing after missing the last few practices with heat-related issues, per Brian Daboll. #Giants
- Only one team in the NFL (Chiefs) was above 50% on 3rd down conversions in 2021 (all 3rd downs, not just 10+)
- 50% of NFL teams were below 40% on ALL 3rd down attempts
- This includes ALL 3rd downs, not just 3rd and long
- The defense is also practicing 3rd and long.
- If the Giants O is producing over 40% on 3rd and long, there's something wrong with the defense.
- Be patient, it's practice
I'm sure everyone will be. But if Jones doesn't go 17 for 18 (with the one incompletion a drop) it's obvious he's having a terrible camp and stinks. :)
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...on 3rd and long day:
- Only one team in the NFL (Chiefs) was above 50% on 3rd down conversions in 2021 (all 3rd downs, not just 10+)
- 50% of NFL teams were below 40% on ALL 3rd down attempts
- This includes ALL 3rd downs, not just 3rd and long
- The defense is also practicing 3rd and long.
- If the Giants O is producing over 40% on 3rd and long, there's something wrong with the defense.
- Be patient, it's practice
I'm sure everyone will be. But if Jones doesn't go 17 for 18 (with the one incompletion a drop) it's obvious he's having a terrible camp and stinks. :)
I don't care if they practice 3rd & 30... I just don't want to see him holding the ball for 5 seconds and releasing it only after the defense clearly would have sacked him if not for his "red jersey" and I don't want to see him consistently throwing the ball late or behind or over his guys heads left and right is all
I don't care if they practice 3rd & 30... I just don't want to see him holding the ball for 5 seconds and releasing it only after the defense clearly would have sacked him if not for his "red jersey" and I don't want to see him consistently throwing the ball late or behind or over his guys heads left and right is all
You won't get enough information to determine if he's done any of those things.
So, at least until the 1st pre-season game, you're good!
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Brian Daboll just showed a play in individuals: direct snap to Kadarius Toney, play action to Saquon, pass to Wan’Dale Robinson #Giants
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As suspected, Kadarius Toney just took a rep as a wildcat QB in individual drills. Saquon and Wan’Dale Robinson lined up alongside him in the backfield
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Eli Manning out here today standing with Chris Mara at practice (light blue shirt on sideline) #Giants
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Running back Antonio Williams just came up lame running routes in individuals #Giants
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Yikes. Antonio Williams just came up limp after making a catch. was rubbing his quad.
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Alex Bachman with a beautiful double-move beating Holmes
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Daniel Jones’ first two passes of 9-on-9 aren’t great. High & errant for Toney. He then tried to go back to Toney on the next one but Adoree Jackson picked him off & ran it back the other way #Giants
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Wan’Dale burns Holmes on a double from Daniel
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Newly acquired S Jarrod Wilson is wearing No 35 and is working with 3s
Although 17 of 18 does sound pretty synthetic. Meh its practice.
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In 9v9s Quincy Roche just had two great pass rushes at the expense of Matt Gono at RT. Not in full pads but one inside dip from Roche went virtually untouched.
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Backup RB Antonio Williams appeared to injure his left knee in a 1-on-1 drill. Knee is now wrapped so he’s done for today (at least).
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Jamie Gillan just went to take a piss #reporting
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Daniel Jones’ four passes against a half-line rush just now:
- Incomplete for Toney (Love in coverage)
- INTd by Adoree Jackson (pass to Toney)
- complete to Wan’Dale Robinson
- complete to David Sills#Giants
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Adoree’ having a strong camp, strong coverage skills.
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Would have been close to two sacks, but Daniel Jones much better to start full-team drills. Hit James & Toney for long first downs, then Miller & Sills. Lots of zip. The throw to Toney was particularly impressive. Hit him right in stride #Jets
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Andrew Adams working with the 1st team in 3 safety sets
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Darius Slayton having a fun practice with some nice deep catches burning CB’s off the line
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Josh Ezeudu is practicing as the 2nd team LT.
The 67th overall pick at Guard on a team with Andrew Thomas & Evan Neal.
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Daniel Jones’ first 11 on 11 period:
- Jihad Ward sack vs Evan Neal (complete pass to Richie James
- completely to Toney down right sideline vs Robinson
- complete to Sills
- complete to TE Andre Miller
- sack Thibodeaux & Holmes blitzing on Thomas ( complete to James)
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Would have been close to two sacks, but Daniel Jones much better to start full-team drills. Hit James & Toney for long first downs, then Miller & Sills. Lots of zip. The throw to Toney was particularly impressive. Hit him right in stride #Jets
Lol why did Connor hashtag jets in that tweet
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Williams is back in practice
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Ximines getting reps with 1s
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Daboll about to blow a gasket over pass rushers coming to close to the QBs. Lit into Oshane Ximines, who nearly made contact with Daniel Jones’ legs as he threw a pass. Then Niko Lalos got an earful for coming too close to Davis Webb.
Aah gotcha.
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Solid series happening right now with Evan Neal against Kayvon Thibodeaux.
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Kenny Golladay is not participating in the Giants’ 11 on 11, now in two minute drill
CJ Board takes his place.
Andrew Adams the 3rd safety now in place of injured Dane Belton and Jarren Williams
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Giants just did a 2 minute drill where the 1st team offense won the drill.
Couple big catches by David Sills & CJ Board
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Quite the start in team drills for #Giants QB Daniel Jones. I have him 9-of-10 passing. Of those nine completions, seven went for first downs. Only pass that hit ground was an impressive PBU from Jackson on Board. Got his hand in in comeback.
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Daniel sharp in two-minute drill. Hit Board twice, Wan’Dale and nice leaping grab by Sills
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Josh Ezeudu is practicing as the 2nd team LT.
The 67th overall pick at Guard on a team with Andrew Thomas & Evan Neal.
Ezeudu has been taking reps at LT since minicamp. His versatility is one of the reasons they drafted him. Even if he beats out Lemieux at LG, his ability to kick outside if Thomas gets hurt is a huge plus.
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Update: Daniel is sharp today. Just had to be put in third and 10 plus. #giants
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Collin Johnson with a gorgeous diving catch and an even better job staying in bounds. He’s had a good camp.
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Darius Slayton has had multiple great catches downfield today.
Some have called him Big Play Slay
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Robert Foster collided with a defender in the corner of end zone and was slow to get up. He’s being helped off the field by the training staff. #giants
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WR Robert Foster grabbing his back and wobbly after making a leaping catch in end zone just out of bounds on Tyrod Taylor pass. Cart just came out for him. Hopefully he’s ok #Giants
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Kenny Golladay is not participating in the Giants’ 11 on 11, now in two minute drill
CJ Board takes his place.
Andrew Adams the 3rd safety now in place of injured Dane Belton and Jarren Williams
Talkin’ Giants
@TalkinGiants
Giants just did a 2 minute drill where the 1st team offense won the drill.
Couple big catches by David Sills & CJ Board
Good thing they picked up Adams, they have been thin at safety all along...
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Quite the start in team drills for #Giants QB Daniel Jones. I have him 9-of-10 passing. Of those nine completions, seven went for first downs. Only pass that hit ground was an impressive PBU from Jackson on Board. Got his hand in in comeback.
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Pair of impressive highlight catches. The first by Collin Johnson who made the diving grab down the right sideline — full extension past Jackson. The second came from Darius Slayton who high pointed the ball over a defender for the touchdown. Both passes from Tyrod Taylor #Giants
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Tomon Fox getting in pocket few times, would have been two sacks in real time
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Elerson Smith beats Gono for a sack
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WR Robert Foster shaken up after making a diving catch (but landing out of bounds). Not clear what he injured, but he was carted off the field.
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Darius Slayton makes a nice leaping grab in corner of end zone from Taylor. But, Taylor bobbled snap picked it up and winged it and Roche would have had sack.
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Daniel Jones was good in today’s two minute:
- Julian Love sack on blitz (complete to Robinson)
- incomplete Adoree PBU on Board
- complete to Board over middle wide open
- complete to Sills intermediate on right sideline
- complete short to Robinson
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Tyrod Taylor hit both Collin Johnson and Darius Slayton deep. Slayton made an all-hands catch for a TD over corner Khalil Dorsey. Johnson is having a strong camp.
Ryan Dunleavy
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CB Adoree Jackson ran off sideline to check on WR Robert Foster after Foster was pushed out of bounds and landed hard making a great catch. Yelled out to the trainers that it was just the wind knocked out of him and credited Foster for hanging on to the ball. Leadership #Giants
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Tyrod hit Slayton on a sideline route beating Flott
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Second time this camp we saw Wandale Rumson get a handoff out of the backfield
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Giants ran three different 2:00 drills w three different scenarios.
First teams: 1:17 left offense down 21-20 ball at the 12.
Jones gets offense in FG range thanks to sky high grab by David Sills. Julian Love probs had sack on first snap that wasn’t called. Offense wins.
Second teams: 1:44 left down 21-17 ball at 25.
Collin Johnson makes diving grab to get to D’s 27 w :19 left. Taylor drops snap on last play (probs sack) and chucks blind into endzone where Slayton makes leaping grab. O wins (kinda).
Third team: Down 20-14 ;58 left ball at 38. Davis Webb inc on 1st, sacked on. 2nd, offensive penalty sets up 3&23. Crossing pass to Doss Keelan dropped. D wins. End of period.
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Daniel Jones hits Richie James on a 2nd window slant for a TD after a nice drive.
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Daniel hits Richie James in red for TD, James does backflip in end zone to celebrate
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The #Giants gave Daniel Jones the ball and asked him to drive the field around midfield. It took him five plays to get offense in end zone. He went 3-for-3 (two other plays runs from Robinson, Barkley). Drive capped with TD to James.
Jones is now 12 of 13 passing today
Dude impresses every day. I was very skeptical of the pick at the time, but I'm hoping to be wrong when the games count.
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Daniel Jones absolutely tearing it up today at #Giants camp. 🎯
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Daniel’s best practices by far.
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Daniel Jones just went 4 for 4 including a TD to Richie James, who is on my 53 (55) with a strong start to camp.
Completions to Robinson, Toney, Sills, James #Giants
Best day so far for Jones. Ball is hitting the ground a lot less.
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Love these blitzes off the edge. They’re gonna be a headache for people to handle.
Bobby Skinner
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Daniel Jones is 14/15 with a TD after throwing an INT on his 2nd throw (would be sack).
Good bounce back day from Giants offense working a lot of 2 minute drill.
Dan Duggan
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Ask and receive. Daniel Jones has been lights out today. From yesterday’s practice report:
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Gavin Heslop seems to have moved from CB to S w Belton sidelined and Jarren Williams waived injured yesterday. A natural CB Heslop started to play some S in Seattle last year.
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Darrian Beavers showing impressive speed picking up Bachman on a deep post. Pass from Taylor was incomplete
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Jinxed it. Adoree’ Jackson’s 2nd INT of the day in RZ period
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Daniel Jones picked off by Jackson in the red zone. Pass was for Robinson. Jackson’s second pick of the day. This is the first in full team. #Jets
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Adoree Jackson with his second pick of the day again Daniel Jones. Ball was thrown right to him. #giants
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Anddddd I may have just jinxed him. Bad throw picked off by Adoree’ Jackson at the goal line. Might have gone 100 yards the other way.
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Adoree’ with his second pick of day on pass intended for Wan’Dale. Appeared Robinson might have slipped on his cut, not definite about that. Pass from Daniel
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Daniel Jones to David Sills TD to end the day. The army marches.
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Jones finishes with a deep completion to Saquon Barkley and a TD to another camp standout, David Sills
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Daniel Jones to Saquon Barkley for a long gain down the right side to get offense inside the five. On the next play he finds Sills for a touchdown. Quite the day for the quarterback. Practice is over. #Giants
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Giants Training Camp Day 6 thots
•Daniel Jones looked a lot better in 3rd & long + 2 minute drills but 2 ugly INT’s (went 16/20 2 TD 2 INT)
•Darius Slayton made multiple big plays
•Evan Neal having issues
•Adoree’ Jackson w/ 2 really good INT’s
•Ben Bredeson at 1st team C
Both sides making plays!
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I had Daniel Jones 14 of 16 passing today. He threw two touchdowns and one interception (red zone). Both of his touchdowns came when the staff asked him to drive the field.
I know this is my first day over here but idk what all the fuss about the QB is about 😂 #Giants
Both sides making plays!
Agreed.
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OK, so Jones threw a red zone INT on the next play after this tweet. Still finished practice with a TD to David Sills.
Final #s from live drills: 16-of-20 with 2 TDs, 2 INTs
Clearly the best day for the first-team offense and Jones this camp.
Jones rebounded with a well-placed back shoulder throw to Saquon and then a short TD pass to David Sills to end practice. Easily Jones’ best practice of camp. Looked more decisive and ripped some throws with confidence.
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Eli breaks down the team to end practice!
I would think Golladay, Collin Johnson and Daniel Bellinger would be enough of a big guy package for fades and back shoulder. Red Zone is one area where Jones really needs to get his head in the game. I wouldn't be surprised to see his career red zone TD in <10% range thus far, but i don't have that stat.
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Had Daniel Jones at 16/20 today with 2 TD & 2 INT.
Looked really good today BUT 2nd INT was really bad. 1st one was a 3rd&10 drill on a sack. Also Kenny Golladay seemed to have a rest day and Kadarius Toney was used sparingly but had an awesome 20+ yarder in team drills.
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#Giants Day 6: Off stars-Jones & Slayton (2 sweet catches). Play- Barkley diving back shoulder grab from Jones at the 2. Def stars- AJackson 2 INTs and Evans had back-to-back breakups in endzone. Play of day- Jackson INT (stole pass for WRobinson ober middle)
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Ximines getting reps with 1s
Dan Duggan
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Daboll about to blow a gasket over pass rushers coming to close to the QBs. Lit into Oshane Ximines, who nearly made contact with Daniel Jones’ legs as he threw a pass. Then Niko Lalos got an earful for coming too close to Davis Webb.
Ximines was warned about this more than 1x at the practice that I attended last week. Daboll has a right to be pissed at this point.
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Josh Ezeudu is practicing as the 2nd team LT.
The 67th overall pick at Guard on a team with Andrew Thomas & Evan Neal.
That is good for Ezeudu who is showing clear versatility.
Though, not sure what it has to do with 1st team Tackles Thomas and Neal.
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Josh Ezeudu is practicing as the 2nd team LT.
The 67th overall pick at Guard on a team with Andrew Thomas & Evan Neal.
That is good for Ezeudu who is showing clear versatility.
Though, not sure what it has to do with 1st team Tackles Thomas and Neal.
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could be a problem with our plethora of slot receivers, no big body receivers. I know we have Kenny G but he's been garbage so far or Giants have been using him like garbage.
I would think Golladay, Collin Johnson and Daniel Bellinger would be enough of a big guy package for fades and back shoulder. Red Zone is one area where Jones really needs to get his head in the game. I wouldn't be surprised to see his career red zone TD in <10% range thus far, but i don't have that stat.
As much as I like Bell I won't rely on a rookie TE. Still a good chance he will be more productive than Kenny G...
Sills Army...ATTACK!
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Josh Ezeudu is practicing as the 2nd team LT.
The 67th overall pick at Guard on a team with Andrew Thomas & Evan Neal.
That is good for Ezeudu who is showing clear versatility.
Though, not sure what it has to do with 1st team Tackles Thomas and Neal.
I assume he means that Edeuzu was playing OG when Neal & Thomas were on the field.
huh?
I think this was what Daboll was talking about with Jones - just let it go. Get used to making plays vs worrying about bad outcomes.
Today's Jones may have also been the WRs and QBs getting on the same page and making the same reads.
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Adoree’ with his second pick of day on pass intended for Wan’Dale. Appeared Robinson might have slipped on his cut, not definite about that. Pass from Daniel [/quote]
When did Jackson learn how to hold onto the ball?
Nine days until the first preseason game.
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Camp legend. Incredible.
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Sills looked good and was all over the place. Eli was there all day with his family and addressed the team at the end.
Camp legend. Incredible.
Sills Army...ATTACK!
I think this was what Daboll was talking about with Jones - just let it go. Get used to making plays vs worrying about bad outcomes.
Today's Jones may have also been the WRs and QBs getting on the same page and making the same reads.
Take the last train to Clarksville
And I'll meet you at the station
You can be be here by four thirty
'Cause I've made your reservation
Don't be slow
Oh, no, no, no
Oh, no, no, no
The Monkees - Last Train To Clarksville 1966 - ( New Window )
For everyone except that Crazy David Sills poster who believes he is approaching Jerry Rice status.
Beat me to it, section: was captioning my comment as Looks like Gono is a goner
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1. Some notes from today: I only count 11 v. 11 reps, but during the first period all 11 players were on the field with only half the field live. During that period, Jones was picked by Adoree' Jackson after holding the ball through a would-be sack by Thibdoeaux (beat Thomas).
2. Thibodeaux also beat Thomas around the edge during an 11-on-11 period.
• Jihad Ward had a pressure against Evan Neal in the half-field drill and another on the first play of 11 v 11. Neal has looked like a rookie tackle at times during camp.
3. Quincy Roche has looked good in camp, but has been buried on the depth chart. He was in the backfield a lot today, beating Josh Ezeudu around the edge when Ezeudu was the second-team LT. Oshane Ximines beat Ezeudu in the half-field drill.
4. The second-team OL had a funky look with the guards and tackles swapping positions: LT Ezeudu, LG Hamilton, C Douglas, RG Gono, RT McKethan.
• TE Andre Miller has been getting increasing reps with the 1's.
• Andrew Adams replaced Dane Belton as the No. 3 safety.
5. David Sills took advantage of Kenny Golladay's maintenance day with 4 catches from Jones, including a TD to close practice.
• Darius Slayton had a good practice, catching a pretty deep ball from Tyrod Taylor and leaping over 5-9 CB Khalil Dorsey for a TD on a heave by Taylor
6. Wan'Dale Robinson lined up in the backfield and took a handoff from Jones in a team period.
• Active practice for rookie CB Darren Evans. Had him down for three pass breakups, and he had good coverage to force Robert Foster out of bounds on a deep catch.
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Interesting note: The Giants gave veteran DL Nick Williams a $100K signing bonus when they signed him last week, per source.
Not a significant amount, but street free agents typically get minimum contracts with no guarantees when they sign at this stage.
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It really is interesting to watch Kayvon Thibodeaux mixing up his pass rush approaches against Andrew Thomas and to a lesser extent Evan Neal today
Inside, outside, power, speed.
Thomas does good job making Thibodeaux work + diversify. Had two would-be sacks and two pressures.
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is on the fast track to Clarksville.
I think this was what Daboll was talking about with Jones - just let it go. Get used to making plays vs worrying about bad outcomes.
Today's Jones may have also been the WRs and QBs getting on the same page and making the same reads.
Take the last train to Clarksville
And I'll meet you at the station
You can be be here by four thirty
'Cause I've made your reservation
Don't be slow
Oh, no, no, no
Oh, no, no, no The Monkees - Last Train To Clarksville 1966 - ( New Window )
I heard recently that song was a Vietnam protest song, done in such a way that it didn't sound like one.
... And I don't know if I'm ever comin' home