They're going with Feliciano at OC this year. He seems to be doing okay (when he's practiced). If he can't go, it looks like they'll move Lemieux over. Outside of that, it's Bredeson or Douglas, assuming one of them sticks. That's it. They're not going to sign someone off the wire and expect them to learn a new offense with limited practice time so they can get plugged in right away. It's not happening. They're going to go to war with the army they have, not the one you, me or anyone else wishes they had.
I agree, that is their strategy. What played out last year was a panic when Lemieux got hurt and the coaches determined they needed to cut the entire OL bench because they were also disasters. And then the disasterous Front Office went looking for whomever they could sign right before the season started. And they added some new disasters themselves which was no surprise.
it was kind of a disaster...
Last year was last year. It has nothing to do with this year, except for the new regime having to dig itself out of the many, massive holes left by the old regime. It seems to me they've done the best they could with what they had to work with. What more do you want? I know...a tried-and-true Center. Well, so did I, but we didn't get one. We'll just have to live with that for the time being.
don the Nike jumpsuits and sneakers and drink the Kool-aid. Bunch of 3rd day interior oline picks and unheralded FA salary cap strapped signings can't convince me otherwise.
We used to be able to find important oline pieces like this on our way to 2 super bowls (hell 4) but not something we have done in a long time.
They're going with Feliciano at OC this year. He seems to be doing okay (when he's practiced). If he can't go, it looks like they'll move Lemieux over. Outside of that, it's Bredeson or Douglas, assuming one of them sticks. That's it. They're not going to sign someone off the wire and expect them to learn a new offense with limited practice time so they can get plugged in right away. It's not happening. They're going to go to war with the army they have, not the one you, me or anyone else wishes they had.
I agree, that is their strategy. What played out last year was a panic when Lemieux got hurt and the coaches determined they needed to cut the entire OL bench because they were also disasters. And then the disasterous Front Office went looking for whomever they could sign right before the season started. And they added some new disasters themselves which was no surprise.
it was kind of a disaster...
Last year was last year. It has nothing to do with this year, except for the new regime having to dig itself out of the many, massive holes left by the old regime. It seems to me they've done the best they could with what they had to work with. What more do you want? I know...a tried-and-true Center. Well, so did I, but we didn't get one. We'll just have to live with that for the time being.
It's just a post discussing that weakness. We'll live with all their decisions, whether we agree with them or not. But still fine to post about it...
Maybe I have become a bit clairvoyant regarding OL issues after seeing this same type of routine play out each summer camp and preseason.
Or maybe everything will just turn out fine like you all hope...
So you're basing your analysis on what happened in the past with players who are no longer here.
Got it.
You're another poster with terrible takes.
Ignore him. He’s CLEARLY spent too many hours watching ESPN and thinks it makes him something to copy the Mad Dog and Stephen A with ridiculous takes and constant arguing.
People who live in a fantasy world should be left there and ignored by all other posters.
In case you missed it, I asked you to share your thoughts on Daniel Jones’ progress these last two days?
You’re a fellow Giants fan who is not afraid to share his mind….so I would like to hear your perspective on Jones here to see how close they are to mine.
I was lukewarm with Jones in 2020 as he showed enough flaws and not enough uplift for the Offense needed from that QB position for my liking.
But I still gave Jones more benefit of the doubt than I was comfortable with going in 2021. Mostly because there was so many other issues, I just simply felt let him rise up or let him hang himself. What I saw was a guy who tries really, really hard and just hung himself with his suspect plat.
I think Schoen and Daboll see it too which is why they didn't give him the 5th year option. They also didn't see what they wanted in the Draft and didn't want to go to war internally on the DJ decision, so they punted the situation and will let Jones hang himself in 2022 and then move on...
It's just a post discussing that weakness. We'll live with all their decisions, whether we agree with them or not. But still fine to post about it...
It's an obsession, bruh (bruh?). Dare I say an unhealthy one? An all-consuming one? Is that really fine? No one's turning a blind eye to any of the Giants weaknesses, but you seem to be fixated on this one thing. As I said above, you're like a dog with a bone, but even a dog takes a break from gnawing on it every once in a while.
It's just a post discussing that weakness. We'll live with all their decisions, whether we agree with them or not. But still fine to post about it...
It's an obsession, bruh (bruh?). Dare I say an unhealthy one? An all-consuming one? Is that really fine? No one's turning a blind eye to any of the Giants weaknesses, but you seem to be fixated on this one thing. As I said above, you're like a dog with a bone, but even a dog takes a break from gnawing on it every once in a while.
I did pick up COVID this week which hasn't been fun.
In case you missed it, I asked you to share your thoughts on Daniel Jones’ progress these last two days?
You’re a fellow Giants fan who is not afraid to share his mind….so I would like to hear your perspective on Jones here to see how close they are to mine.
I was lukewarm with Jones in 2020 as he showed enough flaws and not enough uplift for the Offense needed from that QB position for my liking.
But I still gave Jones more benefit of the doubt than I was comfortable with going in 2021. Mostly because there was so many other issues, I just simply felt let him rise up or let him hang himself. What I saw was a guy who tries really, really hard and just hung himself with his suspect plat.
I think Schoen and Daboll see it too which is why they didn't give him the 5th year option. They also didn't see what they wanted in the Draft and didn't want to go to war internally on the DJ decision, so they punted the situation and will let Jones hang himself in 2022 and then move on...
Thanks for that…..but you didn’t answer my question. What are your thoughts about Jones’ progress from day 1 to today, especially noting the last two days of work?
It's just a post discussing that weakness. We'll live with all their decisions, whether we agree with them or not. But still fine to post about it...
It's an obsession, bruh (bruh?). Dare I say an unhealthy one? An all-consuming one? Is that really fine? No one's turning a blind eye to any of the Giants weaknesses, but you seem to be fixated on this one thing. As I said above, you're like a dog with a bone, but even a dog takes a break from gnawing on it every once in a while.
I did pick up COVID this week which hasn't been fun.
In case you missed it, I asked you to share your thoughts on Daniel Jones’ progress these last two days?
You’re a fellow Giants fan who is not afraid to share his mind….so I would like to hear your perspective on Jones here to see how close they are to mine.
I was lukewarm with Jones in 2020 as he showed enough flaws and not enough uplift for the Offense needed from that QB position for my liking.
But I still gave Jones more benefit of the doubt than I was comfortable with going in 2021. Mostly because there was so many other issues, I just simply felt let him rise up or let him hang himself. What I saw was a guy who tries really, really hard and just hung himself with his suspect plat.
I think Schoen and Daboll see it too which is why they didn't give him the 5th year option. They also didn't see what they wanted in the Draft and didn't want to go to war internally on the DJ decision, so they punted the situation and will let Jones hang himself in 2022 and then move on...
Thanks for that…..but you didn’t answer my question. What are your thoughts about Jones’ progress from day 1 to today, especially noting the last two days of work?
Whoops sorry.
From what I read and some of the videos, it sounds like he has a mix of good throws and continued questionable ones where he isn't seeing the field well. Inconsistent and doesn't sound like he is tracking to any kind of break-out year. Which is what he needs, right?
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Giants training camp observations, Day 7: Daniel Jones looks sharp, Brian Daboll scolds Saquon Barkley, Jon Feliciano returns, more - ( New Window )
"...called Barkley by his number, and told him wake up"
Maybe I have become a bit clairvoyant regarding OL issues after seeing this same type of routine play out each summer camp and preseason.
Or maybe everything will just turn out fine like you all hope...
So you're basing your analysis on what happened in the past with players who are no longer here.
Got it.
You're another poster with terrible takes.
Ignore him. He’s CLEARLY spent too many hours watching ESPN and thinks it makes him something to copy the Mad Dog and Stephen A with ridiculous takes and constant arguing.
People who live in a fantasy world should be left there and ignored by all other posters.
Thanks for coming out from the NFT-yankee threads to provide this valuable football comment rich.
On the other hand, sounds like Jones is doing just fine. From Daboll's comments here, he may soon be regretting not exercising that 5th year option...
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Q: Did you think (Quarterback) Daniel (Jones) had a strong day yesterday? It seemed like the ball didn’t touch the ground much.
Daboll: Yeah. I think he’s been doing good. Each day, he’s making progress. Made good decisions. Had a couple turnovers, which one was a little slip on the skill guy and a timing route. So, I thought the other one (Cornerback) Adoree’ (Jackson) made a really good play. Attacked the ball well. We always try to limit those the best we can. But I think he’s making progress. Decision making. Trusting his reads. Still got a ways to go.
they are in pretty good shape. Consider: Thomas ,Neal (who will be fine) Ezeudu (who is a day 2 pick) and McKethan, Lemieux is still a young guy who looks to be progressing. That’s a pretty good core to work with. Gates will make it back at some point. Compared with what they had to work with last year, that’s dramatically better.
lets just hope they have them playing smart. fast football. want minimal errors mixed with an O that confuses defenses. Schoen is the real deal. Im not worried about his mgmt skills.
Wink will get the max out of this D. clearly both sides of the ball lack depth in my opinion
Its funny how a tweet on one play is taken as he is having a terrible day. Apparently you only get 1 rep a day at practice and you either win or lose...LOL. Most of the vet guys are what they are at tis point. Feliciano will be an average center which is an upgrade over what we have had. Most of the interior OL will be average at best, again better than what we had last year. The Keys to the OL lie with Thomas who it sounds like is having a great camp so far and Neal who is taking his lumps right now. I am not so worried about Neal since he has the body and seems like the mentality to be great.
Jones went from having his worst day ever to 2 solid practices in a row. So is he a star or still the same bad player?
Barkley looks like a god apparently.
I think things will all even out. Reports will put together their weekly reports and you will start to see the trends on players. You will start to see the depth chart come together. Ximenes will return to the player we know he is and disappear. Neal will start to string together some good practices. The rookies and 2nd year guys are the ones to watch. They will show the most improvement. Notice we havent heard a lot about McKinney this week?
Dont get too high or too low on guys this week. For the OL its only a few days with pads, not much to do without pads. I think it will be a fun team to watch this season and I do think we will be competitive. Injuries and the progression of the rookies and 2nd year guys will be the key to the success of the team besides Jones.
In case you missed it, I asked you to share your thoughts on Daniel Jones’ progress these last two days?
You’re a fellow Giants fan who is not afraid to share his mind….so I would like to hear your perspective on Jones here to see how close they are to mine.
I was lukewarm with Jones in 2020 as he showed enough flaws and not enough uplift for the Offense needed from that QB position for my liking.
But I still gave Jones more benefit of the doubt than I was comfortable with going in 2021. Mostly because there was so many other issues, I just simply felt let him rise up or let him hang himself. What I saw was a guy who tries really, really hard and just hung himself with his suspect plat.
I think Schoen and Daboll see it too which is why they didn't give him the 5th year option. They also didn't see what they wanted in the Draft and didn't want to go to war internally on the DJ decision, so they punted the situation and will let Jones hang himself in 2022 and then move on...
Thanks for that…..but you didn’t answer my question. What are your thoughts about Jones’ progress from day 1 to today, especially noting the last two days of work?
Whoops sorry.
From what I read and some of the videos, it sounds like he has a mix of good throws and continued questionable ones where he isn't seeing the field well. Inconsistent and doesn't sound like he is tracking to any kind of break-out year. Which is what he needs, right?
what do you think?
Thanks …..apparently you aren’t reading thoroughly or maybe you don’t want to read or are in denial.
For instance…..DJ was 9-10 today with 1 TD. And the incompletion was a drop by Robinson. So, for all intents and purposes, he was 10-10.
Yet you SURPRISINGLY can’t find one good word to say about him. For the record, he was 15-20 yesterday with 2 TDs and 2 pics. One pic, according to Daboll, was probably helped by the WR slipping a bit.
Yet, again, not one positive word from you….but at least you have shown up. The other Jones haters, everyone knows who they are, right Producer, bw, and Go Terps, to name the big 3, are hiding like they usually do when Jones lights it up.
Hopefully you guys can find it in you to root for all Giant players and acknowledge their success and rejoice in it, and not wish for Bad tidings on anyone who wears a Giant Blue helmet in order to protect ones reputation.
I think Evan Neal is going to have a better rookie year than
Andrew Thomas did. Not a very high bar and look at Thomas now. He's a foundation piece. I expect the same thing from Neal. I think between Neal and Glowinski the Giants are going to have an average right side of their OL this year.
Last year they had the worst RT in the NFL and close to the worst RG in the NFL. The 2021 starting center doesn't have a roster spot in the NFL with 90 man teams.
I think the OL is going to be much better than last year when 2022 ends unless injuries cripple them.
Thanks for that…..but you didn’t answer my question. What are your thoughts about Jones’ progress from day 1 to today, especially noting the last two days of work?
Whoops sorry.
From what I read and some of the videos, it sounds like he has a mix of good throws and continued questionable ones where he isn't seeing the field well. Inconsistent and doesn't sound like he is tracking to any kind of break-out year. Which is what he needs, right?
what do you think?
Thanks …..apparently you aren’t reading thoroughly or maybe you don’t want to read or are in denial.
For instance…..DJ was 9-10 today with 1 TD. And the incompletion was a drop by Robinson. So, for all intents and purposes, he was 10-10.
Yet you SURPRISINGLY can’t find one good word to say about him. For the record, he was 15-20 yesterday with 2 TDs and 2 pics. One pic, according to Daboll, was probably helped by the WR slipping a bit.
Yet, again, not one positive word from you….but at least you have shown up. The other Jones haters, everyone knows who they are, right Producer, bw, and Go Terps, to name the big 3, are hiding like they usually do when Jones lights it up.
Hopefully you guys can find it in you to root for all Giant players and acknowledge their success and rejoice in it, and not wish for Bad tidings on anyone who wears a Giant Blue helmet in order to protect ones reputation.
This is where you want to go with this...calling out fans that don't agree with your view?
In the answer above I said he had a mix of good and questionable throws in what I HAVE SEEN. Are you reading thoroughly or in denial chucklehead? And if all you want to do is worship one or two better days, and ignore or excuse away any bad days/issues then have at it.
And by the way, to describe this as Jones "lighting it up" is comical. I must have missed Daboll having that same sentiment in his transcript...
impressive in the few clips they've posted. He's built like a T, good feet and shows good overall technique and competitiveness.
After seeing his build/move, I'm not surprised at all they are playing him at T. May be his best position.
(And if Neal continues to struggle, maybe they move him to G and Ezeudu to RT?)
We'll see. It's early but Neal is clearly struggling in pass pro, which is to be expected even for a top 10 pick.
Neal seems like a real “grinder”. He will buckle down and with the help of a good OL coach, he will get his problems solved. I think Thomas has a similar “grinder” personality but he struggled due to lack of coaching support. I think Thomas showed big improvement when he went back to his college techniques and the OL coach was canned. Neal is in a better situation and he should also be able to work out his problems with the help of good coaching.
Each QB maybe gets 10 minutes of 11 v 11 time. Throw is some throws to players in 1v1 situations. That is what training camp is. Most of the time yesterday time the QB yesterday were off doing some throwing drills or standing around.
Look at trends, who is consistently having good days. Whose name do you never hear about...those guys are in trouble. You really can't compare Jones to Taylor because Taylor is working with the 2's for the most part. We won't know about Jones until the real games start and even then I expect a very long leash.
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I've only been here last 3 days ... but #Giants Leonard Williams has inside track for No. 2 on the list. Dominating interior OL
and I have had a few bouts. He is pretty good at assessing line play. So I will at least listen when he posts. Yes OC has been a problem. However, you can only fix so much in one offseason. I have a feeling Feliciano will be ok this year and may be pushed by Lemieux until Gates returns. I do think Ezeudu is really going to push Lemieux at LG by mid season.
I do not quite agree with him on Feliciano. The reports today seem to indicate he held his own win LW and Dex. But, no matter what, the OL will be far superior to late year.
impressive in the few clips they've posted. He's built like a T, good feet and shows good overall technique and competitiveness.
After seeing his build/move, I'm not surprised at all they are playing him at T. May be his best position.
(And if Neal continues to struggle, maybe they move him to G and Ezeudu to RT?)
We'll see. It's early but Neal is clearly struggling in pass pro, which is to be expected even for a top 10 pick.
WTF would you move Neal, who was a top 10 pick to guard?
Do you remember how Thomas struggled as a rookie?
So you want to waste a year with him at guard on a team that isn't going to the playoffs in 2022?
I didn't say I'd move him now. Count me in the "don't give a f#ck" crowd in terms of him struggling in pass pro right now. Sy who've I've grown to respect immensely projected him to struggle initially. I'm speculating down the road. Part of his scouting report was he was a safe pick, because if he didn't make it at T, he would at G.
Agree that you can't fix it all, no dispute. Clear risk at this
Feliciano claims his best position is center. He’s been with Bobby Johnson on 3 teams now, and he’s finally getting his shot. He’s played fewer than a handful of games worth of snaps at the position. And his former team cut him.
He’s a journeyman, who the coaches like. I think he’s a decent floor at the position, and just sticking on a roster is better than the guy he replaced.
But let’s all be real about what his ceiling projects to be.
RE: I love that we are taking the word of the writers as gospel
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They're going with Feliciano at OC this year. He seems to be doing okay (when he's practiced). If he can't go, it looks like they'll move Lemieux over. Outside of that, it's Bredeson or Douglas, assuming one of them sticks. That's it. They're not going to sign someone off the wire and expect them to learn a new offense with limited practice time so they can get plugged in right away. It's not happening. They're going to go to war with the army they have, not the one you, me or anyone else wishes they had.
I agree, that is their strategy. What played out last year was a panic when Lemieux got hurt and the coaches determined they needed to cut the entire OL bench because they were also disasters. And then the disasterous Front Office went looking for whomever they could sign right before the season started. And they added some new disasters themselves which was no surprise.
it was kind of a disaster...
Last year was last year. It has nothing to do with this year, except for the new regime having to dig itself out of the many, massive holes left by the old regime. It seems to me they've done the best they could with what they had to work with. What more do you want? I know...a tried-and-true Center. Well, so did I, but we didn't get one. We'll just have to live with that for the time being.
We used to be able to find important oline pieces like this on our way to 2 super bowls (hell 4) but not something we have done in a long time.
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They're going with Feliciano at OC this year. He seems to be doing okay (when he's practiced). If he can't go, it looks like they'll move Lemieux over. Outside of that, it's Bredeson or Douglas, assuming one of them sticks. That's it. They're not going to sign someone off the wire and expect them to learn a new offense with limited practice time so they can get plugged in right away. It's not happening. They're going to go to war with the army they have, not the one you, me or anyone else wishes they had.
I agree, that is their strategy. What played out last year was a panic when Lemieux got hurt and the coaches determined they needed to cut the entire OL bench because they were also disasters. And then the disasterous Front Office went looking for whomever they could sign right before the season started. And they added some new disasters themselves which was no surprise.
it was kind of a disaster...
Last year was last year. It has nothing to do with this year, except for the new regime having to dig itself out of the many, massive holes left by the old regime. It seems to me they've done the best they could with what they had to work with. What more do you want? I know...a tried-and-true Center. Well, so did I, but we didn't get one. We'll just have to live with that for the time being.
It's just a post discussing that weakness. We'll live with all their decisions, whether we agree with them or not. But still fine to post about it...
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Maybe I have become a bit clairvoyant regarding OL issues after seeing this same type of routine play out each summer camp and preseason.
Or maybe everything will just turn out fine like you all hope...
So you're basing your analysis on what happened in the past with players who are no longer here.
Got it.
You're another poster with terrible takes.
Ignore him. He’s CLEARLY spent too many hours watching ESPN and thinks it makes him something to copy the Mad Dog and Stephen A with ridiculous takes and constant arguing.
People who live in a fantasy world should be left there and ignored by all other posters.
I don't think he was... I thought he was a fixture at left guard for Oregon, but I may be mistaken.
Regardless, some of his OC play has been encouraging for someone who hasn't played the position ever or in a while.
Feliciano is going to be the starting center. If Gates can make it back, then we'll be in good shape. But that's a big if.
But we're basically arguing about he back-up center on a team that had a center last year who isn't even on a 90-man roster right now. (Billy Price).
You’re a fellow Giants fan who is not afraid to share his mind….so I would like to hear your perspective on Jones here to see how close they are to mine.
I was lukewarm with Jones in 2020 as he showed enough flaws and not enough uplift for the Offense needed from that QB position for my liking.
But I still gave Jones more benefit of the doubt than I was comfortable with going in 2021. Mostly because there was so many other issues, I just simply felt let him rise up or let him hang himself. What I saw was a guy who tries really, really hard and just hung himself with his suspect plat.
I think Schoen and Daboll see it too which is why they didn't give him the 5th year option. They also didn't see what they wanted in the Draft and didn't want to go to war internally on the DJ decision, so they punted the situation and will let Jones hang himself in 2022 and then move on...
It's just a post discussing that weakness. We'll live with all their decisions, whether we agree with them or not. But still fine to post about it...
It's an obsession, bruh (bruh?). Dare I say an unhealthy one? An all-consuming one? Is that really fine? No one's turning a blind eye to any of the Giants weaknesses, but you seem to be fixated on this one thing. As I said above, you're like a dog with a bone, but even a dog takes a break from gnawing on it every once in a while.
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It's just a post discussing that weakness. We'll live with all their decisions, whether we agree with them or not. But still fine to post about it...
It's an obsession, bruh (bruh?). Dare I say an unhealthy one? An all-consuming one? Is that really fine? No one's turning a blind eye to any of the Giants weaknesses, but you seem to be fixated on this one thing. As I said above, you're like a dog with a bone, but even a dog takes a break from gnawing on it every once in a while.
I did pick up COVID this week which hasn't been fun.
Otherwise, pretty healthy...
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In case you missed it, I asked you to share your thoughts on Daniel Jones’ progress these last two days?
You’re a fellow Giants fan who is not afraid to share his mind….so I would like to hear your perspective on Jones here to see how close they are to mine.
I was lukewarm with Jones in 2020 as he showed enough flaws and not enough uplift for the Offense needed from that QB position for my liking.
But I still gave Jones more benefit of the doubt than I was comfortable with going in 2021. Mostly because there was so many other issues, I just simply felt let him rise up or let him hang himself. What I saw was a guy who tries really, really hard and just hung himself with his suspect plat.
I think Schoen and Daboll see it too which is why they didn't give him the 5th year option. They also didn't see what they wanted in the Draft and didn't want to go to war internally on the DJ decision, so they punted the situation and will let Jones hang himself in 2022 and then move on...
Thanks for that…..but you didn’t answer my question. What are your thoughts about Jones’ progress from day 1 to today, especially noting the last two days of work?
Giants training camp observations, Day 7: Daniel Jones looks sharp, Brian Daboll scolds Saquon Barkley, Jon Feliciano returns, more - ( New Window )
No, he was strictly a LG at Oregon...for 52 straight games. Yowza.
It's just a post discussing that weakness. We'll live with all their decisions, whether we agree with them or not. But still fine to post about it...
It's an obsession, bruh (bruh?). Dare I say an unhealthy one? An all-consuming one? Is that really fine? No one's turning a blind eye to any of the Giants weaknesses, but you seem to be fixated on this one thing. As I said above, you're like a dog with a bone, but even a dog takes a break from gnawing on it every once in a while.
I did pick up COVID this week which hasn't been fun.
You had to pick it up? I had mine delivered.
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In case you missed it, I asked you to share your thoughts on Daniel Jones’ progress these last two days?
You’re a fellow Giants fan who is not afraid to share his mind….so I would like to hear your perspective on Jones here to see how close they are to mine.
I was lukewarm with Jones in 2020 as he showed enough flaws and not enough uplift for the Offense needed from that QB position for my liking.
But I still gave Jones more benefit of the doubt than I was comfortable with going in 2021. Mostly because there was so many other issues, I just simply felt let him rise up or let him hang himself. What I saw was a guy who tries really, really hard and just hung himself with his suspect plat.
I think Schoen and Daboll see it too which is why they didn't give him the 5th year option. They also didn't see what they wanted in the Draft and didn't want to go to war internally on the DJ decision, so they punted the situation and will let Jones hang himself in 2022 and then move on...
Thanks for that…..but you didn’t answer my question. What are your thoughts about Jones’ progress from day 1 to today, especially noting the last two days of work?
Whoops sorry.
From what I read and some of the videos, it sounds like he has a mix of good throws and continued questionable ones where he isn't seeing the field well. Inconsistent and doesn't sound like he is tracking to any kind of break-out year. Which is what he needs, right?
what do you think?
Link?
Giants training camp observations, Day 7: Daniel Jones looks sharp, Brian Daboll scolds Saquon Barkley, Jon Feliciano returns, more - ( New Window )
Scolding?
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Maybe I have become a bit clairvoyant regarding OL issues after seeing this same type of routine play out each summer camp and preseason.
Or maybe everything will just turn out fine like you all hope...
So you're basing your analysis on what happened in the past with players who are no longer here.
Got it.
You're another poster with terrible takes.
Ignore him. He’s CLEARLY spent too many hours watching ESPN and thinks it makes him something to copy the Mad Dog and Stephen A with ridiculous takes and constant arguing.
People who live in a fantasy world should be left there and ignored by all other posters.
Thanks for coming out from the NFT-yankee threads to provide this valuable football comment rich.
let's grab a beer next time you're in town...
Link?
they're all on here daily BH...
On the other hand, sounds like Jones is doing just fine. From Daboll's comments here, he may soon be regretting not exercising that 5th year option...
Daboll: Yeah. I think he’s been doing good. Each day, he’s making progress. Made good decisions. Had a couple turnovers, which one was a little slip on the skill guy and a timing route. So, I thought the other one (Cornerback) Adoree’ (Jackson) made a really good play. Attacked the ball well. We always try to limit those the best we can. But I think he’s making progress. Decision making. Trusting his reads. Still got a ways to go.
hmm...
Wink will get the max out of this D. clearly both sides of the ball lack depth in my opinion
LFG Blue
Well done.
Well done.
I posted it for the positives and to help all those looking to defend his honor. Mostly because you all suck at it...
This year? More like this afternoon, see mittenedman‘s post at 12:36 today.
Jones went from having his worst day ever to 2 solid practices in a row. So is he a star or still the same bad player?
Barkley looks like a god apparently.
I think things will all even out. Reports will put together their weekly reports and you will start to see the trends on players. You will start to see the depth chart come together. Ximenes will return to the player we know he is and disappear. Neal will start to string together some good practices. The rookies and 2nd year guys are the ones to watch. They will show the most improvement. Notice we havent heard a lot about McKinney this week?
Dont get too high or too low on guys this week. For the OL its only a few days with pads, not much to do without pads. I think it will be a fun team to watch this season and I do think we will be competitive. Injuries and the progression of the rookies and 2nd year guys will be the key to the success of the team besides Jones.
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In comment 15771038 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15771023 5BowlsSoon said:
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In case you missed it, I asked you to share your thoughts on Daniel Jones’ progress these last two days?
You’re a fellow Giants fan who is not afraid to share his mind….so I would like to hear your perspective on Jones here to see how close they are to mine.
I was lukewarm with Jones in 2020 as he showed enough flaws and not enough uplift for the Offense needed from that QB position for my liking.
But I still gave Jones more benefit of the doubt than I was comfortable with going in 2021. Mostly because there was so many other issues, I just simply felt let him rise up or let him hang himself. What I saw was a guy who tries really, really hard and just hung himself with his suspect plat.
I think Schoen and Daboll see it too which is why they didn't give him the 5th year option. They also didn't see what they wanted in the Draft and didn't want to go to war internally on the DJ decision, so they punted the situation and will let Jones hang himself in 2022 and then move on...
Thanks for that…..but you didn’t answer my question. What are your thoughts about Jones’ progress from day 1 to today, especially noting the last two days of work?
Whoops sorry.
From what I read and some of the videos, it sounds like he has a mix of good throws and continued questionable ones where he isn't seeing the field well. Inconsistent and doesn't sound like he is tracking to any kind of break-out year. Which is what he needs, right?
what do you think?
Thanks …..apparently you aren’t reading thoroughly or maybe you don’t want to read or are in denial.
For instance…..DJ was 9-10 today with 1 TD. And the incompletion was a drop by Robinson. So, for all intents and purposes, he was 10-10.
Yet you SURPRISINGLY can’t find one good word to say about him. For the record, he was 15-20 yesterday with 2 TDs and 2 pics. One pic, according to Daboll, was probably helped by the WR slipping a bit.
Yet, again, not one positive word from you….but at least you have shown up. The other Jones haters, everyone knows who they are, right Producer, bw, and Go Terps, to name the big 3, are hiding like they usually do when Jones lights it up.
Hopefully you guys can find it in you to root for all Giant players and acknowledge their success and rejoice in it, and not wish for Bad tidings on anyone who wears a Giant Blue helmet in order to protect ones reputation.
Last year they had the worst RT in the NFL and close to the worst RG in the NFL. The 2021 starting center doesn't have a roster spot in the NFL with 90 man teams.
I think the OL is going to be much better than last year when 2022 ends unless injuries cripple them.
Thanks for that…..but you didn’t answer my question. What are your thoughts about Jones’ progress from day 1 to today, especially noting the last two days of work?
Whoops sorry.
From what I read and some of the videos, it sounds like he has a mix of good throws and continued questionable ones where he isn't seeing the field well. Inconsistent and doesn't sound like he is tracking to any kind of break-out year. Which is what he needs, right?
what do you think?
Thanks …..apparently you aren’t reading thoroughly or maybe you don’t want to read or are in denial.
For instance…..DJ was 9-10 today with 1 TD. And the incompletion was a drop by Robinson. So, for all intents and purposes, he was 10-10.
Yet you SURPRISINGLY can’t find one good word to say about him. For the record, he was 15-20 yesterday with 2 TDs and 2 pics. One pic, according to Daboll, was probably helped by the WR slipping a bit.
Yet, again, not one positive word from you….but at least you have shown up. The other Jones haters, everyone knows who they are, right Producer, bw, and Go Terps, to name the big 3, are hiding like they usually do when Jones lights it up.
Hopefully you guys can find it in you to root for all Giant players and acknowledge their success and rejoice in it, and not wish for Bad tidings on anyone who wears a Giant Blue helmet in order to protect ones reputation.
This is where you want to go with this...calling out fans that don't agree with your view?
In the answer above I said he had a mix of good and questionable throws in what I HAVE SEEN. Are you reading thoroughly or in denial chucklehead? And if all you want to do is worship one or two better days, and ignore or excuse away any bad days/issues then have at it.
And by the way, to describe this as Jones "lighting it up" is comical. I must have missed Daboll having that same sentiment in his transcript...
After seeing his build/move, I'm not surprised at all they are playing him at T. May be his best position.
(And if Neal continues to struggle, maybe they move him to G and Ezeudu to RT?)
We'll see. It's early but Neal is clearly struggling in pass pro, which is to be expected even for a top 10 pick.
Neal seems like a real “grinder”. He will buckle down and with the help of a good OL coach, he will get his problems solved. I think Thomas has a similar “grinder” personality but he struggled due to lack of coaching support. I think Thomas showed big improvement when he went back to his college techniques and the OL coach was canned. Neal is in a better situation and he should also be able to work out his problems with the help of good coaching.
Man, I knew those guys would not get a chance to enjoy the last laugh!
They can't run the Barkley/Toney/Robinson package (with Goll/Slay) every play.
Inside Look (8/3): Competition heats up at camp - ( New Window )
Kenny Golladay's contested catches highlight Wednesday's practice - ( New Window )
5 things we learned from training camp (8/3) - ( New Window )
Look at trends, who is consistently having good days. Whose name do you never hear about...those guys are in trouble. You really can't compare Jones to Taylor because Taylor is working with the 2's for the most part. We won't know about Jones until the real games start and even then I expect a very long leash.
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🏈#Giants Day 7: Off stars-Jones and Slayton. Play- Golladay twisting 50/50 catch. Def stars-Martinez (just to see him take some snaps agaim) and Lawrence. Play-McKinney blanket coverage for a 1-on-1 breakup
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@rydunleavy
In 5 years of NFL coverage, the best day-after-day training camp performance I ever saw was #Jets Carl Lawson before he tore his Achilles last season.
I've only been here last 3 days ... but #Giants Leonard Williams has inside track for No. 2 on the list. Dominating interior OL
I do not quite agree with him on Feliciano. The reports today seem to indicate he held his own win LW and Dex. But, no matter what, the OL will be far superior to late year.
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impressive in the few clips they've posted. He's built like a T, good feet and shows good overall technique and competitiveness.
After seeing his build/move, I'm not surprised at all they are playing him at T. May be his best position.
(And if Neal continues to struggle, maybe they move him to G and Ezeudu to RT?)
We'll see. It's early but Neal is clearly struggling in pass pro, which is to be expected even for a top 10 pick.
WTF would you move Neal, who was a top 10 pick to guard?
Do you remember how Thomas struggled as a rookie?
So you want to waste a year with him at guard on a team that isn't going to the playoffs in 2022?
I didn't say I'd move him now. Count me in the "don't give a f#ck" crowd in terms of him struggling in pass pro right now. Sy who've I've grown to respect immensely projected him to struggle initially. I'm speculating down the road. Part of his scouting report was he was a safe pick, because if he didn't make it at T, he would at G.
And it's good to hear he is at least handling perennial All-Pro Defensive Linemen like big Leonard and Dex since the other backups are not...
He’s a journeyman, who the coaches like. I think he’s a decent floor at the position, and just sticking on a roster is better than the guy he replaced.
But let’s all be real about what his ceiling projects to be.
Injuries and the progression of the rookies and 2nd year guys will be the key to the success of the team besides Jones.
Look for most of the rookies and 2nd year guys to be the most erratic.
@giantswfan
#Giants - Taylor drops in a perfect connection with Slayton, who has put up two good back to back days
Glad to see Pdot stopped the stupid "connex" nonsense from yesterday.