attended an NFL summer training camp, and then fell asleep for 3 decades, and then suddenly woke up in a current-day camp, he'd swear the league had converted to flag football.
attended an NFL summer training camp, and then fell asleep for 3 decades, and then suddenly woke up in a current-day camp, he'd swear the league had converted to flag football.
Art Stapleton
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Going back through my notes from camp, I wrote down Giants rookie DT Chris Hinton's name a few times as far as someone who was standing out.
Including in that: two good reps in 1-on-1s when the pads went on Monday. He's a player who could be positioned well in preseason games.
Art Stapleton
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Going back through my notes from camp, I wrote down Giants rookie DT Chris Hinton's name a few times as far as someone who was standing out.
Including in that: two good reps in 1-on-1s when the pads went on Monday. He's a player who could be positioned well in preseason games.
I loved this signing and I really hope he makes it.
Art Stapleton
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Going back through my notes from camp, I wrote down Giants rookie DT Chris Hinton's name a few times as far as someone who was standing out.
Including in that: two good reps in 1-on-1s when the pads went on Monday. He's a player who could be positioned well in preseason games.
That's real good to hear because -- after Leonard Williams and Dexter Lawrence -- do the Giants have ANY D-linemen that could be classified as at least "average"?
The NFL is a passing league and blah, blah, blah, but never saw a team win jack that couldn't stop the run.
Art Stapleton
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Going back through my notes from camp, I wrote down Giants rookie DT Chris Hinton's name a few times as far as someone who was standing out.
Including in that: two good reps in 1-on-1s when the pads went on Monday. He's a player who could be positioned well in preseason games.
That's real good to hear because -- after Leonard Williams and Dexter Lawrence -- do the Giants have ANY D-linemen that could be classified as at least "average"?
The NFL is a passing league and blah, blah, blah, but never saw a team win jack that couldn't stop the run.
They invested a 5th Round pick in D.J. Davidson, who's best described as an early-down run-stuffer, backup NT. He's not a finished product, but I figure they see him developing into a capable role player. Not spectacular, but solid.
I wonder if we'll see more running plays? I still have a sneaking suspicion that the Giants will run a bit more than we figure, passing league notwithstanding. They just seem built to do it well.
This makes me think of an article on the Packers about 5 years ago that suggested they shift to a 4-3, with nickel personnel: three linemen on the field, two rushbackers, and a safety/linebacker hybrid instead of a nickel corner. What if the Packers switched to a 4-3 defense full-time? - ( New Window )
Obvious caveat is that the starting center has been out, the backups are dubious, and the guards are nothing special either. Still, with Ellis a one-year stopgap, it would be a huge win if Davidson and Hinton could fill the interior by 2023.
This makes me think of an article on the Packers about 5 years ago that suggested they shift to a 4-3, with nickel personnel: three linemen on the field, two rushbackers, and a safety/linebacker hybrid instead of a nickel corner. What if the Packers switched to a 4-3 defense full-time? - ( New Window )
The personnel grouping in the front 7 (or 6) isn't, IMO, the "why" teams can be stout vs. the run. I prefer an odd front but an OLB is going to bump it to and even 50% of the time anyway.
Athletes win at every level of the game. Get your athletes and playmakers on the field.
A S/LB hybrid (NickelBacker) is absolutely my choice in a nickel base.
I wonder if we'll see more running plays? I still have a sneaking suspicion that the Giants will run a bit more than we figure, passing league notwithstanding. They just seem built to do it well.
Just hope Daboll and Kafka can be a bit more creative with the runs. I like a power running style as much as anyone (I wanted the Giants to draft Hassan Haskins this year) but that doesn't work with Saquon. Didn't see a lot of off-tackle runs with Garrett as the OC.
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Players who won’t practice today:
• RB Antonio Williams (injured knee yesterday)
• WR Robert Foster (injured yesterday)
• TE Ricky Seals-Jones (5th straight missed practice)
• OL Matt Gono (?)
• CB Rodarius Williams (hasn’t done team drills past 2 days, returning from ACL)
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone
Daboll said today will be first and second down work with the pads. There will be a 9-on-7 run drill.
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
#Giants Daboll - jones making good decisons and progress and trusting his reads....on one of the two picks, the target slipped a little
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone
Daboll said DJ is making progress and trusting his reads. Daboll said when you’re a coach you try not to ride the wave play by play when breaking down film. He tries to keep the players as “level-headed” as possible.
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
#Giants Daboll - primary focus for jones and the other QBs is to make the right play, regardless of the result
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone
Daboll said everything is “risk-reward” for a quarterback. Now is the time to take some chances. “Really what I want is Daniel to make the right play.” Daboll said he has steadily improved with a new language in a new system.
Pat Leonard
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Brian Daboll said Daniel Jones did good things Tuesday. He doesn’t like to overreact to positive or negative day to day. Said can’t have INTs. One was slip by skill player, other was good play by Adoree Jackson. Says Jones has steadily improved. #
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
#Giants Daboll - still trying to figure out what this team runs well.....sometimes you pick out a play and just throw it out - or maybe practice it more
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone
Daboll said they have routes where a receiver can do “a lot of different things.” Body language is critical in the communication with the QB.
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone
Daboll said Feliciano is good to go today. He’s ready to practice.
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
#Giants Daboll - feliciano is a full go today but will be managed
Ryan Dunleavy
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Jon Feliciano will be back in practice but probably managed reps. Daboll says the 4-practice absence was scout heat and hydration and today is hot again. #Giants
What does it say when a 30-year old professional athlete needs five days (4 practice + Sunday) to recover from heat exhaustion? Is it just poor conditioning, some other physical condition? In my mind, not much positive.
I think at this point, it's probably safe to assume it wasn't just heat-related. As you know, what's released for public consumption does not align with reality.
It will be interesting to see if they want JF as the starting C, or if they prefer to use Lemieux there with Ezeudu at G. If there's anything Feliciano has demonstrated, he's a bit unreliable. And his lack of athleticism hurts their ability to run outside zone - which is Barkley's best play. Perhaps he's best served as the primary interior backup.
Art Stapleton
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Going back through my notes from camp, I wrote down Giants rookie DT Chris Hinton's name a few times as far as someone who was standing out.
Including in that: two good reps in 1-on-1s when the pads went on Monday. He's a player who could be positioned well in preseason games.
When I saw the name Chris Hinton, I thought it was an old comment and Stapleton was talking about the Colts OT. Turns out the Giants Chris Hinton is the son of the Colts Chris Hinton.
don't disagree with any of that even if hoping for Lemieux at C is itself wishing for a pig in a poke. Very early days yet, but Ezeudu seems to have been a shrewd pick
What does it say when a 30-year old professional athlete needs five days (4 practice + Sunday) to recover from heat exhaustion? Is it just poor conditioning, some other physical condition? In my mind, not much positive.
Could also be just being cautious. We really dont have a true backup so maybe they took the opportunity to get him some rest and the other guys some reps in the process. Heat exhaustion is no joke either and should be treated wit caution
Dan Duggan
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@DDuggan21
Don’t hold your breath on Kadarius Toney returning kicks this year. Toney and Kenny Golladay go do receiving work on the side during special teams periods.
Justin Penik
@JustinPenik
Quincy Roche gets the best of Evan Neal on a spin move and Darrian Beavers goes outside to inside on Josh Ezeudu in 1v1’s
Pat Leonard
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Replying to @PLeonardNYDN
Thibodeaux draws a hold on Evan Neal. Neal also lost to Quincy Roche on a spin move earlier #Giants
Pat Leonard
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Kenny Golladay is having a strong practice. Just went up for a jump ball on the sidelines against Adoree Jackson in 11 on 11. Also caught one intermediate on Aaron Robinson. Also beat Jackson down sideline in individuals for a deep one. #Giants
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
#Giants - Jones rifles a complete to left side as Golladay shields ARobinson
Patricia Traina
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Golladay made the play of the day on a comeback route. Caught the ball and just barely stayed in bounds as Adoree Jackson was covering.
Pat Leonard
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Giants center Jon Feliciano lasted about half the practice before Jamil Douglas replaced him with the first team offense.
Collin Johnson, who has made plays all camp, just cracked the first team offense for some snaps. #Giants Kadarius Toney dialed back a 2nd day this camp.
don't disagree with any of that even if hoping for Lemieux at C is itself wishing for a pig in a poke. Very early days yet, but Ezeudu seems to have been a shrewd pick
Shortly after the draft I felt that Ezeudu would end up playing center for the Giants. He has size, more than enough power, and the intelligence to play the position. It will be an interesting pre-season.
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
#Giants - taylor left flat to Breida (busted coverage) ...turns on the jets and races for long TD....Bachman nice downfield block
Talkin’ Giants
@TalkinGiants
Both UNC Guards are playing Tackle for the 2nd team
Tom Rock
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Really sharp drive by 1st O for a TD. Starts w leaping sideline grab by Golladay, hook pass to KG to convert 3rd down, another 3rd conv on pass to Sills, then screen to Saquon for TD w little 180 lb Wan’Dale leading the way into the end zone as a blocker.
The first catch by Kenny was first I have seen in camp where you can say “There! That’s what Golladay should be giving them!” Soneone/something seems to have woken up Kenny.
Second O scored too on a long run by Matt Breida, flashing his Cheetah nickname.
don't disagree with any of that even if hoping for Lemieux at C is itself wishing for a pig in a poke. Very early days yet, but Ezeudu seems to have been a shrewd pick
Shortly after the draft I felt that Ezeudu would end up playing center for the Giants. He has size, more than enough power, and the intelligence to play the position. It will be an interesting pre-season.
Mack Brown thinks he would be a great center. They were going to move him at UNC to center but he had the stuttering issue which he worked really hard and has overcome. Mack's thoughts were on that podcast that was posted.
Maybe the Giants don't want to overload him for now but he seems like he is going to be one of those guys who can play anywhere.
Dan Duggan
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Another very crisp passing day for Daniel Jones. Just went 6-for-6 on a drive, highlighted by a deep strike to Kenny Golladay down the sideline and a short TD on a swing pass to Saquon.
Pat Leonard
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Daniel Jones just went 6-for-6 on a nice drive capped by a short swing pass TD to Saquon Barkley. Completions to Kenny Golladay (2), Wan’Dale Robinson, TE Andre Miller & David Sills #Giants
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
#Giants - Webb hits Doss on a deep fade in the left corner for a TD
Bobby Skinner
@BobbySkinner_
Had Daniel Jones at 9/10 with 1 TD & 1 drop today.
Spreading the ball around and a great throw to Kenny Golladay for the play of the day.
Ryan Dunleavy
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@rydunleavy
In the period at the end of practice, #Giants first, second and third team offenses all drove the field for TDs. Scores on catches by Saquon on a swing, Brieda on a long catch and run and Keelan Doss skyikg in the end zone
Bobby Skinner
@BobbySkinner_
Giants Day 7 Training Camp thots
•Daniel Jones 9/10 with a great day
•Kenny Golladay had catch of day with great day overall
•Jon Feliciano looked good in 1 on 1’s v. Dex
•Remembering that Oshane Ximines is bad in the run
•Kadarius Toney didn’t practice at the end, idk why
In comment 15770670 Eric from BBI said:
[quote] GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
#Giants Daboll - still trying to figure out what this team runs well.....sometimes you pick out a play and just throw it out - or maybe practice it more
Yes, Coach......you and many many others. Been trying to figure that out for years. No easy answers for this one!
It gives me a lot of pleasure when a FO, but most especially a Giants' FO which has been so bad for so long, maybe gets things very right.
In particular, speaking for myself alone but informed by all the pre-draft info on the site, when Ezeudu in the 3rd and McKethan last pick in 5th, the initial reactions were Who? WTF? Why, when so and so is still on the board? Frustration, aarggh. LOL
I knew nothing about either guy, but it's now a ton of fun to think that Schoen and his staff got some players, maybe not as well known or touted as those sitting there at those junctures, but.....at long last..maybe..players!!
attended an NFL summer training camp, and then fell asleep for 3 decades, and then suddenly woke up in a current-day camp, he'd swear the league had converted to flag football.
Right. Remember 2 a days
I had a college coach who thought he'd get cute -we had three a day.
One was entirely individual, and one specials.
Dan Duggan
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@DDuggan21
Robinson couldn’t contain his smile when asked about the package with him, Toney and Saquon in the backfield together. Clearly exciting potential with that grouping
attended an NFL summer training camp, and then fell asleep for 3 decades, and then suddenly woke up in a current-day camp, he'd swear the league had converted to flag football.
True. Parcells and company ran some brutal practices.
Dan Duggan
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Robinson couldn’t contain his smile when asked about the package with him, Toney and Saquon in the backfield together. Clearly exciting potential with that grouping
I can't contain my smile thinking about Robinson not being able to contain his smile! The package with him, Toney and Saquon in the backfield together could be very exciting!
speak of Neal? He appears to be manhandled on a daily basis, including bums like X-man.
Looks like Jones had a good day, and so did the offense running the ball. I think it's safe to say that Neal had something to do with that. Let's not forget that he hasn't played RT since 2020, so it should be expected that he may struggle on occasion, even against a slug like Ximines.
Jordan Raanan
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A second straight strong day from #Giants offense. WR Kenny Golladay had his best day of summer. Beat Adoree Jackson on a deep ball in 1-on-1 drills. Caught three passes in live periods. Probably not a coincidence that it came after Golladay had a semi-maintenance day Monday.
attended an NFL summer training camp, and then fell asleep for 3 decades, and then suddenly woke up in a current-day camp, he'd swear the league had converted to flag football.
True. Parcells and company ran some brutal practices.
I think it was the "America's Game" episode on the undefeated Miami Dolphins where someone said Don Shula wouldn't even let them get a drink during practice.
Schoen and his team should be researching other rosters and pray for an impending cut around Labor Day that we can take advantage of. Maybe the Green Bay team...
RE: Only August 3rd, but feels like the mess we have at Center
Schoen and his team should be researching other rosters and pray for an impending cut around Labor Day that we can take advantage of. Maybe the Green Bay team...
at the level he was playing at prior to his injury. But, he is probably the best center on this team and we should all hope he is able to make it back.
RE: Only August 3rd, but feels like the mess we have at Center
Schoen and his team should be researching other rosters and pray for an impending cut around Labor Day that we can take advantage of. Maybe the Green Bay team...
Big Blue Banter guys made a similar comment, cycling different guys is not a sign of confidence
RE: Only August 3rd, but feels like the mess we have at Center
Schoen and his team should be researching other rosters and pray for an impending cut around Labor Day that we can take advantage of. Maybe the Green Bay team...
Based on what?
Dexter Lawrence has been having his best camp. Feliciano returns today and handles him. Giants were running the ball well today too.
Schoen and his team should be researching other rosters and pray for an impending cut around Labor Day that we can take advantage of. Maybe the Green Bay team...
Based on what?
Dexter Lawrence has been having his best camp. Feliciano returns today and handles him. Giants were running the ball well today too.
Besides "overreaction" if someone said earlier this year Dex and Williams will have their way with the cast of bums in the interior oline, I don't think many would disagree. And yeah they are bums, I would be happy if we get lucky with one of them being a decent career starter.
Maybe I have become a bit clairvoyant regarding OL issues after seeing this same type of routine play out each summer camp and preseason.
Or maybe everything will just turn out fine like you all hope...
So you're basing your analysis on what happened in the past with players who are no longer here.
Got it.
You're another poster with terrible takes.
You don't got anything.
It's based on the weak or unproven personnel we had at the position going into camp, and how they are obviously scrambling to find a credible solution to start and/or be a serviceable backup.
You don't have to agree and hope that it goes along just fine but I would suggest the same on your take...
Feliciano is the first-team center. He was pegged for that from the start. There has been nothing to indicate so far he can't handle the position. That's a fact. Could it change? Sure, but he's lived up to his billing thus far.
The back-up center position is more up for grabs. Douglas doesn't look good, but Lemieux and Brederson have done some good things.
...are doing everything you can to find a problem.
A problem that you "feel" the team has.
Why?
You aren't at practice and I'd bet, if you were, you still wouldn't be able to accurately spot issues. Even if you happen to be a coach, you wouldn't know what the players are doing without knowing what the installs are or how the coaches are treating the Indy, skelly and full team periods.
Practice seems to be going well. Players who have been much maligned seem to be putting in good work.
They're going with Feliciano at OC this year. He seems to be doing okay (when he's practiced). If he can't go, it looks like they'll move Lemieux over. Outside of that, it's Bredeson or Douglas, assuming one of them sticks. That's it. They're not going to sign someone off the wire and expect them to learn a new offense with limited practice time so they can get plugged in right away. It's not happening. They're going to go to war with the army they have, not the one you, me or anyone else wishes they had.
To many posters here think the OL should be firing on all cylinders with 1) new coaches 2) new offensive playbook and 3) almost all new players across the line.
They will put players in different positions to find out what they have and who is flexible and good enough to play multiple positions if need be.
My mindset this season is a prolonged training camp to see who may be counted on going forward in the rebuild and who will need to be replaced over the next two seasons ('23 & '24).
Feliciano is the first-team center. He was pegged for that from the start. There has been nothing to indicate so far he can't handle the position. That's a fact. Could it change? Sure, but he's lived up to his billing thus far.
The back-up center position is more up for grabs. Douglas doesn't look good, but Lemieux and Brederson have done some good things.
So yeah, I am basing it on what has transpired.
What has transpired is Schoen/Daboll are praying that Feliciano, who while has some skills on the interior but only 2 actual starts at Center, can hold down the position for the entire season.
If not or he gets injured, they are scrambling to figure out who can even be serviceable in that spot by sticking in an average Guard like Lemieux or a rookie Guard like Ezeudu as the backup. Both of whom also haven't played Center.
Bredeson, Douglas really need to be roster cuts and not relied upon as an actual option here.
I hope it works out too but it's a potential problem. And losing some of the names above and adding another experienced Center might be a prudent course of action come September cuts.
And there is nothing wrong with discussing it without calling me out for it. So settle down.
impressive in the few clips they've posted. He's built like a T, good feet and shows good overall technique and competitiveness.
After seeing his build/move, I'm not surprised at all they are playing him at T. May be his best position.
(And if Neal continues to struggle, maybe they move him to G and Ezeudu to RT?)
We'll see. It's early but Neal is clearly struggling in pass pro, which is to be expected even for a top 10 pick.
WTF would you move Neal, who was a top 10 pick to guard?
Do you remember how Thomas struggled as a rookie?
So you want to waste a year with him at guard on a team that isn't going to the playoffs in 2022?
It's called overreaction.
Throw in bum Ximines looking like LT...
No, it's absolutely an overreaction. As I wrote earlier:
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Looks like Jones had a good day, and so did the offense running the ball. I think it's safe to say that Neal had something to do with that. Let's not forget that he hasn't played RT since 2020, so it should be expected that he may struggle on occasion, even against a slug like Ximines.
Oh, and as for the IOL's you so cheerfully label "bums," it looks like Lemieux has made some great strides, and the early returns on Ezeudu and McKethan are in, and they both show promise. They're the future, along with Thomas and Neal. In your zeal to sound "edgy," you obviously fail to see that. Stop with your "too cool for the room" act and open your eyes.
RE: Only August 3rd, but feels like the mess we have at Center
Schoen and his team should be researching other rosters and pray for an impending cut around Labor Day that we can take advantage of. Maybe the Green Bay team...
Hey Googs….any thoughts about Jones these past two days, especially today?
RE: RE: Williams and Dex blowing up July and August
we don't exactly have Nelson and Pouncey in our interior oline. A bit of an echo chamber to think otherwise? Anyhoo I'm primarly interested this time of year day to day to find out how the Nigerian kid is looking as someone asked or Platzgummer.
They're going with Feliciano at OC this year. He seems to be doing okay (when he's practiced). If he can't go, it looks like they'll move Lemieux over. Outside of that, it's Bredeson or Douglas, assuming one of them sticks. That's it. They're not going to sign someone off the wire and expect them to learn a new offense with limited practice time so they can get plugged in right away. It's not happening. They're going to go to war with the army they have, not the one you, me or anyone else wishes they had.
I agree, that is their strategy. What played out last year was a panic when Lemieux got hurt and the coaches determined they needed to cut the entire OL bench because they were also disasters. And then the disasterous Front Office went looking for whomever they could sign right before the season started. And they added some new disasters themselves which was no surprise.
we don't exactly have Nelson and Pouncey in our interior oline. A bit of an echo chamber to think otherwise? Anyhoo I'm primarly interested this time of year day to day to find out how the Nigerian kid is looking as someone asked or Platzgummer.
So they don't have Pro Bowlers inside so it's a weakness?
Do you people even listen to yourselves?
Glowinksi is a solid NFL starter. Ezeudu is a rookie so there will be growing pains, but both him and McKethan have shown enough for the Giants practice them not only with the 2nd team already (pushing down the cheap vets who were signed) but they are also getting serious reps at both tackle spots. Johnson also really like Lemieux.
Ryan Dunleavy
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Word is that Kayvon Thibodeaux sang "Juicy" by Notorious B.I.G. in front of #Giants defense. Singing is typical rookie initiation here (musically gifted Andrew Thomas in 2020 crushed it).
How'd Thibs do?
“He was the first one,” Darnay Holmes said. “He set the bar pretty high."
They are not "praying" on Feliciano. They targeted in free agency. Both the HC and OL coach worked with him in Buffalo.
You really are bad at this.
But everyone could see that with your weird devotion to Chris Mara.
Feliciano signed a 1 year $3M deal to play a position he barely has. He was targeted because they are on fumes with the cap and desparate because of the Gates injury.
But we can move on since you're not listening anyway.
And I am not weird with Chris Mara...it's you and the rest of the conspiracy theory gang that lost your minds this offseason. I am just being sarcastic as to how silly it sounds when you bring him up...
In case you missed it, I asked you to share your thoughts on Daniel Jones’ progress these last two days?
You’re a fellow Giants fan who is not afraid to share his mind….so I would like to hear your perspective on Jones here to see how close they are to mine.
They're going with Feliciano at OC this year. He seems to be doing okay (when he's practiced). If he can't go, it looks like they'll move Lemieux over. Outside of that, it's Bredeson or Douglas, assuming one of them sticks. That's it. They're not going to sign someone off the wire and expect them to learn a new offense with limited practice time so they can get plugged in right away. It's not happening. They're going to go to war with the army they have, not the one you, me or anyone else wishes they had.
I agree, that is their strategy. What played out last year was a panic when Lemieux got hurt and the coaches determined they needed to cut the entire OL bench because they were also disasters. And then the disasterous Front Office went looking for whomever they could sign right before the season started. And they added some new disasters themselves which was no surprise.
it was kind of a disaster...
Last year was last year. It has nothing to do with this year, except for the new regime having to dig itself out of the many, massive holes left by the old regime. It seems to me they've done the best they could with what they had to work with. What more do you want? I know...a tried-and-true Center. Well, so did I, but we didn't get one. We'll just have to live with that for the time being.
don the Nike jumpsuits and sneakers and drink the Kool-aid. Bunch of 3rd day interior oline picks and unheralded FA salary cap strapped signings can't convince me otherwise.
We used to be able to find important oline pieces like this on our way to 2 super bowls (hell 4) but not something we have done in a long time.
They're going with Feliciano at OC this year. He seems to be doing okay (when he's practiced). If he can't go, it looks like they'll move Lemieux over. Outside of that, it's Bredeson or Douglas, assuming one of them sticks. That's it. They're not going to sign someone off the wire and expect them to learn a new offense with limited practice time so they can get plugged in right away. It's not happening. They're going to go to war with the army they have, not the one you, me or anyone else wishes they had.
I agree, that is their strategy. What played out last year was a panic when Lemieux got hurt and the coaches determined they needed to cut the entire OL bench because they were also disasters. And then the disasterous Front Office went looking for whomever they could sign right before the season started. And they added some new disasters themselves which was no surprise.
it was kind of a disaster...
Last year was last year. It has nothing to do with this year, except for the new regime having to dig itself out of the many, massive holes left by the old regime. It seems to me they've done the best they could with what they had to work with. What more do you want? I know...a tried-and-true Center. Well, so did I, but we didn't get one. We'll just have to live with that for the time being.
It's just a post discussing that weakness. We'll live with all their decisions, whether we agree with them or not. But still fine to post about it...
Maybe I have become a bit clairvoyant regarding OL issues after seeing this same type of routine play out each summer camp and preseason.
Or maybe everything will just turn out fine like you all hope...
So you're basing your analysis on what happened in the past with players who are no longer here.
Got it.
You're another poster with terrible takes.
Ignore him. He’s CLEARLY spent too many hours watching ESPN and thinks it makes him something to copy the Mad Dog and Stephen A with ridiculous takes and constant arguing.
People who live in a fantasy world should be left there and ignored by all other posters.
In case you missed it, I asked you to share your thoughts on Daniel Jones’ progress these last two days?
You’re a fellow Giants fan who is not afraid to share his mind….so I would like to hear your perspective on Jones here to see how close they are to mine.
I was lukewarm with Jones in 2020 as he showed enough flaws and not enough uplift for the Offense needed from that QB position for my liking.
But I still gave Jones more benefit of the doubt than I was comfortable with going in 2021. Mostly because there was so many other issues, I just simply felt let him rise up or let him hang himself. What I saw was a guy who tries really, really hard and just hung himself with his suspect plat.
I think Schoen and Daboll see it too which is why they didn't give him the 5th year option. They also didn't see what they wanted in the Draft and didn't want to go to war internally on the DJ decision, so they punted the situation and will let Jones hang himself in 2022 and then move on...
It's just a post discussing that weakness. We'll live with all their decisions, whether we agree with them or not. But still fine to post about it...
It's an obsession, bruh (bruh?). Dare I say an unhealthy one? An all-consuming one? Is that really fine? No one's turning a blind eye to any of the Giants weaknesses, but you seem to be fixated on this one thing. As I said above, you're like a dog with a bone, but even a dog takes a break from gnawing on it every once in a while.
It's just a post discussing that weakness. We'll live with all their decisions, whether we agree with them or not. But still fine to post about it...
It's an obsession, bruh (bruh?). Dare I say an unhealthy one? An all-consuming one? Is that really fine? No one's turning a blind eye to any of the Giants weaknesses, but you seem to be fixated on this one thing. As I said above, you're like a dog with a bone, but even a dog takes a break from gnawing on it every once in a while.
I did pick up COVID this week which hasn't been fun.
In case you missed it, I asked you to share your thoughts on Daniel Jones’ progress these last two days?
You’re a fellow Giants fan who is not afraid to share his mind….so I would like to hear your perspective on Jones here to see how close they are to mine.
I was lukewarm with Jones in 2020 as he showed enough flaws and not enough uplift for the Offense needed from that QB position for my liking.
But I still gave Jones more benefit of the doubt than I was comfortable with going in 2021. Mostly because there was so many other issues, I just simply felt let him rise up or let him hang himself. What I saw was a guy who tries really, really hard and just hung himself with his suspect plat.
I think Schoen and Daboll see it too which is why they didn't give him the 5th year option. They also didn't see what they wanted in the Draft and didn't want to go to war internally on the DJ decision, so they punted the situation and will let Jones hang himself in 2022 and then move on...
Thanks for that…..but you didn’t answer my question. What are your thoughts about Jones’ progress from day 1 to today, especially noting the last two days of work?
It's just a post discussing that weakness. We'll live with all their decisions, whether we agree with them or not. But still fine to post about it...
It's an obsession, bruh (bruh?). Dare I say an unhealthy one? An all-consuming one? Is that really fine? No one's turning a blind eye to any of the Giants weaknesses, but you seem to be fixated on this one thing. As I said above, you're like a dog with a bone, but even a dog takes a break from gnawing on it every once in a while.
I did pick up COVID this week which hasn't been fun.
In case you missed it, I asked you to share your thoughts on Daniel Jones’ progress these last two days?
You’re a fellow Giants fan who is not afraid to share his mind….so I would like to hear your perspective on Jones here to see how close they are to mine.
I was lukewarm with Jones in 2020 as he showed enough flaws and not enough uplift for the Offense needed from that QB position for my liking.
But I still gave Jones more benefit of the doubt than I was comfortable with going in 2021. Mostly because there was so many other issues, I just simply felt let him rise up or let him hang himself. What I saw was a guy who tries really, really hard and just hung himself with his suspect plat.
I think Schoen and Daboll see it too which is why they didn't give him the 5th year option. They also didn't see what they wanted in the Draft and didn't want to go to war internally on the DJ decision, so they punted the situation and will let Jones hang himself in 2022 and then move on...
Thanks for that…..but you didn’t answer my question. What are your thoughts about Jones’ progress from day 1 to today, especially noting the last two days of work?
Whoops sorry.
From what I read and some of the videos, it sounds like he has a mix of good throws and continued questionable ones where he isn't seeing the field well. Inconsistent and doesn't sound like he is tracking to any kind of break-out year. Which is what he needs, right?
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Giants training camp observations, Day 7: Daniel Jones looks sharp, Brian Daboll scolds Saquon Barkley, Jon Feliciano returns, more - ( New Window )
"...called Barkley by his number, and told him wake up"
Maybe I have become a bit clairvoyant regarding OL issues after seeing this same type of routine play out each summer camp and preseason.
Or maybe everything will just turn out fine like you all hope...
So you're basing your analysis on what happened in the past with players who are no longer here.
Got it.
You're another poster with terrible takes.
Ignore him. He’s CLEARLY spent too many hours watching ESPN and thinks it makes him something to copy the Mad Dog and Stephen A with ridiculous takes and constant arguing.
People who live in a fantasy world should be left there and ignored by all other posters.
Thanks for coming out from the NFT-yankee threads to provide this valuable football comment rich.
On the other hand, sounds like Jones is doing just fine. From Daboll's comments here, he may soon be regretting not exercising that 5th year option...
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Q: Did you think (Quarterback) Daniel (Jones) had a strong day yesterday? It seemed like the ball didn’t touch the ground much.
Daboll: Yeah. I think he’s been doing good. Each day, he’s making progress. Made good decisions. Had a couple turnovers, which one was a little slip on the skill guy and a timing route. So, I thought the other one (Cornerback) Adoree’ (Jackson) made a really good play. Attacked the ball well. We always try to limit those the best we can. But I think he’s making progress. Decision making. Trusting his reads. Still got a ways to go.
they are in pretty good shape. Consider: Thomas ,Neal (who will be fine) Ezeudu (who is a day 2 pick) and McKethan, Lemieux is still a young guy who looks to be progressing. That’s a pretty good core to work with. Gates will make it back at some point. Compared with what they had to work with last year, that’s dramatically better.
lets just hope they have them playing smart. fast football. want minimal errors mixed with an O that confuses defenses. Schoen is the real deal. Im not worried about his mgmt skills.
Wink will get the max out of this D. clearly both sides of the ball lack depth in my opinion
Its funny how a tweet on one play is taken as he is having a terrible day. Apparently you only get 1 rep a day at practice and you either win or lose...LOL. Most of the vet guys are what they are at tis point. Feliciano will be an average center which is an upgrade over what we have had. Most of the interior OL will be average at best, again better than what we had last year. The Keys to the OL lie with Thomas who it sounds like is having a great camp so far and Neal who is taking his lumps right now. I am not so worried about Neal since he has the body and seems like the mentality to be great.
Jones went from having his worst day ever to 2 solid practices in a row. So is he a star or still the same bad player?
Barkley looks like a god apparently.
I think things will all even out. Reports will put together their weekly reports and you will start to see the trends on players. You will start to see the depth chart come together. Ximenes will return to the player we know he is and disappear. Neal will start to string together some good practices. The rookies and 2nd year guys are the ones to watch. They will show the most improvement. Notice we havent heard a lot about McKinney this week?
Dont get too high or too low on guys this week. For the OL its only a few days with pads, not much to do without pads. I think it will be a fun team to watch this season and I do think we will be competitive. Injuries and the progression of the rookies and 2nd year guys will be the key to the success of the team besides Jones.
In case you missed it, I asked you to share your thoughts on Daniel Jones’ progress these last two days?
You’re a fellow Giants fan who is not afraid to share his mind….so I would like to hear your perspective on Jones here to see how close they are to mine.
I was lukewarm with Jones in 2020 as he showed enough flaws and not enough uplift for the Offense needed from that QB position for my liking.
But I still gave Jones more benefit of the doubt than I was comfortable with going in 2021. Mostly because there was so many other issues, I just simply felt let him rise up or let him hang himself. What I saw was a guy who tries really, really hard and just hung himself with his suspect plat.
I think Schoen and Daboll see it too which is why they didn't give him the 5th year option. They also didn't see what they wanted in the Draft and didn't want to go to war internally on the DJ decision, so they punted the situation and will let Jones hang himself in 2022 and then move on...
Thanks for that…..but you didn’t answer my question. What are your thoughts about Jones’ progress from day 1 to today, especially noting the last two days of work?
Whoops sorry.
From what I read and some of the videos, it sounds like he has a mix of good throws and continued questionable ones where he isn't seeing the field well. Inconsistent and doesn't sound like he is tracking to any kind of break-out year. Which is what he needs, right?
what do you think?
Thanks …..apparently you aren’t reading thoroughly or maybe you don’t want to read or are in denial.
For instance…..DJ was 9-10 today with 1 TD. And the incompletion was a drop by Robinson. So, for all intents and purposes, he was 10-10.
Yet you SURPRISINGLY can’t find one good word to say about him. For the record, he was 15-20 yesterday with 2 TDs and 2 pics. One pic, according to Daboll, was probably helped by the WR slipping a bit.
Yet, again, not one positive word from you….but at least you have shown up. The other Jones haters, everyone knows who they are, right Producer, bw, and Go Terps, to name the big 3, are hiding like they usually do when Jones lights it up.
Hopefully you guys can find it in you to root for all Giant players and acknowledge their success and rejoice in it, and not wish for Bad tidings on anyone who wears a Giant Blue helmet in order to protect ones reputation.
I think Evan Neal is going to have a better rookie year than
Andrew Thomas did. Not a very high bar and look at Thomas now. He's a foundation piece. I expect the same thing from Neal. I think between Neal and Glowinski the Giants are going to have an average right side of their OL this year.
Last year they had the worst RT in the NFL and close to the worst RG in the NFL. The 2021 starting center doesn't have a roster spot in the NFL with 90 man teams.
I think the OL is going to be much better than last year when 2022 ends unless injuries cripple them.
Thanks for that…..but you didn’t answer my question. What are your thoughts about Jones’ progress from day 1 to today, especially noting the last two days of work?
Whoops sorry.
From what I read and some of the videos, it sounds like he has a mix of good throws and continued questionable ones where he isn't seeing the field well. Inconsistent and doesn't sound like he is tracking to any kind of break-out year. Which is what he needs, right?
what do you think?
Thanks …..apparently you aren’t reading thoroughly or maybe you don’t want to read or are in denial.
For instance…..DJ was 9-10 today with 1 TD. And the incompletion was a drop by Robinson. So, for all intents and purposes, he was 10-10.
Yet you SURPRISINGLY can’t find one good word to say about him. For the record, he was 15-20 yesterday with 2 TDs and 2 pics. One pic, according to Daboll, was probably helped by the WR slipping a bit.
Yet, again, not one positive word from you….but at least you have shown up. The other Jones haters, everyone knows who they are, right Producer, bw, and Go Terps, to name the big 3, are hiding like they usually do when Jones lights it up.
Hopefully you guys can find it in you to root for all Giant players and acknowledge their success and rejoice in it, and not wish for Bad tidings on anyone who wears a Giant Blue helmet in order to protect ones reputation.
This is where you want to go with this...calling out fans that don't agree with your view?
In the answer above I said he had a mix of good and questionable throws in what I HAVE SEEN. Are you reading thoroughly or in denial chucklehead? And if all you want to do is worship one or two better days, and ignore or excuse away any bad days/issues then have at it.
And by the way, to describe this as Jones "lighting it up" is comical. I must have missed Daboll having that same sentiment in his transcript...
impressive in the few clips they've posted. He's built like a T, good feet and shows good overall technique and competitiveness.
After seeing his build/move, I'm not surprised at all they are playing him at T. May be his best position.
(And if Neal continues to struggle, maybe they move him to G and Ezeudu to RT?)
We'll see. It's early but Neal is clearly struggling in pass pro, which is to be expected even for a top 10 pick.
Neal seems like a real “grinder”. He will buckle down and with the help of a good OL coach, he will get his problems solved. I think Thomas has a similar “grinder” personality but he struggled due to lack of coaching support. I think Thomas showed big improvement when he went back to his college techniques and the OL coach was canned. Neal is in a better situation and he should also be able to work out his problems with the help of good coaching.
Each QB maybe gets 10 minutes of 11 v 11 time. Throw is some throws to players in 1v1 situations. That is what training camp is. Most of the time yesterday time the QB yesterday were off doing some throwing drills or standing around.
Look at trends, who is consistently having good days. Whose name do you never hear about...those guys are in trouble. You really can't compare Jones to Taylor because Taylor is working with the 2's for the most part. We won't know about Jones until the real games start and even then I expect a very long leash.
GiantsWFAN
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🏈#Giants Day 7: Off stars-Jones and Slayton. Play- Golladay twisting 50/50 catch. Def stars-Martinez (just to see him take some snaps agaim) and Lawrence. Play-McKinney blanket coverage for a 1-on-1 breakup
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In 5 years of NFL coverage, the best day-after-day training camp performance I ever saw was #Jets Carl Lawson before he tore his Achilles last season.
I've only been here last 3 days ... but #Giants Leonard Williams has inside track for No. 2 on the list. Dominating interior OL
and I have had a few bouts. He is pretty good at assessing line play. So I will at least listen when he posts. Yes OC has been a problem. However, you can only fix so much in one offseason. I have a feeling Feliciano will be ok this year and may be pushed by Lemieux until Gates returns. I do think Ezeudu is really going to push Lemieux at LG by mid season.
I do not quite agree with him on Feliciano. The reports today seem to indicate he held his own win LW and Dex. But, no matter what, the OL will be far superior to late year.
impressive in the few clips they've posted. He's built like a T, good feet and shows good overall technique and competitiveness.
After seeing his build/move, I'm not surprised at all they are playing him at T. May be his best position.
(And if Neal continues to struggle, maybe they move him to G and Ezeudu to RT?)
We'll see. It's early but Neal is clearly struggling in pass pro, which is to be expected even for a top 10 pick.
WTF would you move Neal, who was a top 10 pick to guard?
Do you remember how Thomas struggled as a rookie?
So you want to waste a year with him at guard on a team that isn't going to the playoffs in 2022?
I didn't say I'd move him now. Count me in the "don't give a f#ck" crowd in terms of him struggling in pass pro right now. Sy who've I've grown to respect immensely projected him to struggle initially. I'm speculating down the road. Part of his scouting report was he was a safe pick, because if he didn't make it at T, he would at G.
Agree that you can't fix it all, no dispute. Clear risk at this
Feliciano claims his best position is center. He’s been with Bobby Johnson on 3 teams now, and he’s finally getting his shot. He’s played fewer than a handful of games worth of snaps at the position. And his former team cut him.
He’s a journeyman, who the coaches like. I think he’s a decent floor at the position, and just sticking on a roster is better than the guy he replaced.
But let’s all be real about what his ceiling projects to be.
RE: I love that we are taking the word of the writers as gospel
attended an NFL summer training camp, and then fell asleep for 3 decades, and then suddenly woke up in a current-day camp, he'd swear the league had converted to flag football.
attended an NFL summer training camp, and then fell asleep for 3 decades, and then suddenly woke up in a current-day camp, he'd swear the league had converted to flag football.
Right. Remember 2 a days
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Going back through my notes from camp, I wrote down Giants rookie DT Chris Hinton's name a few times as far as someone who was standing out.
Including in that: two good reps in 1-on-1s when the pads went on Monday. He's a player who could be positioned well in preseason games.
@art_stapleton
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Going back through my notes from camp, I wrote down Giants rookie DT Chris Hinton's name a few times as far as someone who was standing out.
Including in that: two good reps in 1-on-1s when the pads went on Monday. He's a player who could be positioned well in preseason games.
I loved this signing and I really hope he makes it.
@art_stapleton
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Going back through my notes from camp, I wrote down Giants rookie DT Chris Hinton's name a few times as far as someone who was standing out.
Including in that: two good reps in 1-on-1s when the pads went on Monday. He's a player who could be positioned well in preseason games.
That's real good to hear because -- after Leonard Williams and Dexter Lawrence -- do the Giants have ANY D-linemen that could be classified as at least "average"?
The NFL is a passing league and blah, blah, blah, but never saw a team win jack that couldn't stop the run.
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Going back through my notes from camp, I wrote down Giants rookie DT Chris Hinton's name a few times as far as someone who was standing out.
Including in that: two good reps in 1-on-1s when the pads went on Monday. He's a player who could be positioned well in preseason games.
That's real good to hear because -- after Leonard Williams and Dexter Lawrence -- do the Giants have ANY D-linemen that could be classified as at least "average"?
The NFL is a passing league and blah, blah, blah, but never saw a team win jack that couldn't stop the run.
They invested a 5th Round pick in D.J. Davidson, who's best described as an early-down run-stuffer, backup NT. He's not a finished product, but I figure they see him developing into a capable role player. Not spectacular, but solid.
Yep, that is where the league is now.
See, I am the other way around; after his take on mustard I was satisfied, so I stopped listening
This makes me think of an article on the Packers about 5 years ago that suggested they shift to a 4-3, with nickel personnel: three linemen on the field, two rushbackers, and a safety/linebacker hybrid instead of a nickel corner.
What if the Packers switched to a 4-3 defense full-time? - ( New Window )
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...with your Nickel on the field.
This makes me think of an article on the Packers about 5 years ago that suggested they shift to a 4-3, with nickel personnel: three linemen on the field, two rushbackers, and a safety/linebacker hybrid instead of a nickel corner. What if the Packers switched to a 4-3 defense full-time? - ( New Window )
Athletes win at every level of the game. Get your athletes and playmakers on the field.
A S/LB hybrid (NickelBacker) is absolutely my choice in a nickel base.
Just hope Daboll and Kafka can be a bit more creative with the runs. I like a power running style as much as anyone (I wanted the Giants to draft Hassan Haskins this year) but that doesn't work with Saquon. Didn't see a lot of off-tackle runs with Garrett as the OC.
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Players who won’t practice today:
• RB Antonio Williams (injured knee yesterday)
• WR Robert Foster (injured yesterday)
• TE Ricky Seals-Jones (5th straight missed practice)
• OL Matt Gono (?)
• CB Rodarius Williams (hasn’t done team drills past 2 days, returning from ACL)
@Dan_Salomone
Daboll said today will be first and second down work with the pads. There will be a 9-on-7 run drill.
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
#Giants Daboll - jones making good decisons and progress and trusting his reads....on one of the two picks, the target slipped a little
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone
Daboll said DJ is making progress and trusting his reads. Daboll said when you’re a coach you try not to ride the wave play by play when breaking down film. He tries to keep the players as “level-headed” as possible.
@giantswfan
#Giants Daboll - primary focus for jones and the other QBs is to make the right play, regardless of the result
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone
Daboll said everything is “risk-reward” for a quarterback. Now is the time to take some chances. “Really what I want is Daniel to make the right play.” Daboll said he has steadily improved with a new language in a new system.
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Brian Daboll said Daniel Jones did good things Tuesday. He doesn’t like to overreact to positive or negative day to day. Said can’t have INTs. One was slip by skill player, other was good play by Adoree Jackson. Says Jones has steadily improved. #
@giantswfan
#Giants Daboll - still trying to figure out what this team runs well.....sometimes you pick out a play and just throw it out - or maybe practice it more
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone
Daboll said they have routes where a receiver can do “a lot of different things.” Body language is critical in the communication with the QB.
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone
Daboll said Feliciano is good to go today. He’s ready to practice.
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
#Giants Daboll - feliciano is a full go today but will be managed
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Jon Feliciano will be back in practice but probably managed reps. Daboll says the 4-practice absence was scout heat and hydration and today is hot again. #Giants
It will be interesting to see if they want JF as the starting C, or if they prefer to use Lemieux there with Ezeudu at G. If there's anything Feliciano has demonstrated, he's a bit unreliable. And his lack of athleticism hurts their ability to run outside zone - which is Barkley's best play. Perhaps he's best served as the primary interior backup.
@art_stapleton
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Going back through my notes from camp, I wrote down Giants rookie DT Chris Hinton's name a few times as far as someone who was standing out.
Including in that: two good reps in 1-on-1s when the pads went on Monday. He's a player who could be positioned well in preseason games.
When I saw the name Chris Hinton, I thought it was an old comment and Stapleton was talking about the Colts OT. Turns out the Giants Chris Hinton is the son of the Colts Chris Hinton.
Could also be just being cautious. We really dont have a true backup so maybe they took the opportunity to get him some rest and the other guys some reps in the process. Heat exhaustion is no joke either and should be treated wit caution
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Don’t hold your breath on Kadarius Toney returning kicks this year. Toney and Kenny Golladay go do receiving work on the side during special teams periods.
Justin Penik
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Quincy Roche gets the best of Evan Neal on a spin move and Darrian Beavers goes outside to inside on Josh Ezeudu in 1v1’s
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Replying to @PLeonardNYDN
Thibodeaux draws a hold on Evan Neal. Neal also lost to Quincy Roche on a spin move earlier #Giants
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Will post videos later, but quick takeaways from OL/DL 1-on-1:
• Leonard Williams remains unblockable
• Jon Feliciano had 2 good reps vs. Dexter Lawrence
• Andrew Thomas continues to look very solid
• Evan Neal has had some rough moments. Quincy Roche put him in a blender
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Jalyn Holmes playing DL w the 1s just dominated a whole series of running plays in 9v7 drills.
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
#Giants 11 on 11 - first session all runs...Corbin and Brighwell each had an explosive run
Talkin’ Giants
@TalkinGiants
Saquon out in space! Wide zone off the Left Tackle with a lot of room
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
#Giants second 11 on 11 - Barkley two very sharp cuts and a burst on a long run around the left side
@giantswfan
#Giants - taylor bomb mishandled by board for incomplete
....perfect throw
@giantswfan
#Giants - jones with a dart to Board over the middle and big YAC on the play
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
#Giants - Breida with a strong run through the right side....then Barkley explodes around the left end
Bobby Skinner
@BobbySkinner_
Giants OL is looking pretty good run blocking wise. Running Backs are getting way more space and time to operate.
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Barkley looks so explosive. If he stays healthy he’s gonna have a monster year. #giants
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
#Giants - Taylor drops in a perfect connection with Slayton, who has put up two good back to back days
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
#Giants - taylor lofts a long completion to an open Bachman
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants - RAnderson blew up a run in the backfield
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Andrew Thomas gobbles up Oshane Ximines in 1v1 pass pro drill.
Not as shitty as some of our posters who post nonsense without seeing action in preseason practice.
@BobbySkinner_
BEAUTIFUL Throw and contested catch from Daniel Jones to Kenny Golladay. It happened. We were happy.
You might have some of the worst takes on the site.
@giantswfan
#Giants - Golladay a spectacular climb the stairs 50/50 catch from Jones over Jackson down the right side
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Kenny Golladay is having a strong practice. Just went up for a jump ball on the sidelines against Adoree Jackson in 11 on 11. Also caught one intermediate on Aaron Robinson. Also beat Jackson down sideline in individuals for a deep one. #Giants
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants - Jones rifles a complete to left side as Golladay shields ARobinson
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Golladay made the play of the day on a comeback route. Caught the ball and just barely stayed in bounds as Adoree Jackson was covering.
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Giants center Jon Feliciano lasted about half the practice before Jamil Douglas replaced him with the first team offense.
Collin Johnson, who has made plays all camp, just cracked the first team offense for some snaps. #Giants Kadarius Toney dialed back a 2nd day this camp.
Shortly after the draft I felt that Ezeudu would end up playing center for the Giants. He has size, more than enough power, and the intelligence to play the position. It will be an interesting pre-season.
@giantswfan
#Giants - taylor left flat to Breida (busted coverage) ...turns on the jets and races for long TD....Bachman nice downfield block
Talkin’ Giants
@TalkinGiants
Both UNC Guards are playing Tackle for the 2nd team
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Really sharp drive by 1st O for a TD. Starts w leaping sideline grab by Golladay, hook pass to KG to convert 3rd down, another 3rd conv on pass to Sills, then screen to Saquon for TD w little 180 lb Wan’Dale leading the way into the end zone as a blocker.
The first catch by Kenny was first I have seen in camp where you can say “There! That’s what Golladay should be giving them!” Soneone/something seems to have woken up Kenny.
Second O scored too on a long run by Matt Breida, flashing his Cheetah nickname.
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don't disagree with any of that even if hoping for Lemieux at C is itself wishing for a pig in a poke. Very early days yet, but Ezeudu seems to have been a shrewd pick
Shortly after the draft I felt that Ezeudu would end up playing center for the Giants. He has size, more than enough power, and the intelligence to play the position. It will be an interesting pre-season.
Mack Brown thinks he would be a great center. They were going to move him at UNC to center but he had the stuttering issue which he worked really hard and has overcome. Mack's thoughts were on that podcast that was posted.
Maybe the Giants don't want to overload him for now but he seems like he is going to be one of those guys who can play anywhere.
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Another very crisp passing day for Daniel Jones. Just went 6-for-6 on a drive, highlighted by a deep strike to Kenny Golladay down the sideline and a short TD on a swing pass to Saquon.
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Daniel Jones just went 6-for-6 on a nice drive capped by a short swing pass TD to Saquon Barkley. Completions to Kenny Golladay (2), Wan’Dale Robinson, TE Andre Miller & David Sills #Giants
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
#Giants - Webb hits Doss on a deep fade in the left corner for a TD
Bobby Skinner
@BobbySkinner_
Had Daniel Jones at 9/10 with 1 TD & 1 drop today.
Spreading the ball around and a great throw to Kenny Golladay for the play of the day.
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In the period at the end of practice, #Giants first, second and third team offenses all drove the field for TDs. Scores on catches by Saquon on a swing, Brieda on a long catch and run and Keelan Doss skyikg in the end zone
Bobby Skinner
@BobbySkinner_
Giants Day 7 Training Camp thots
•Daniel Jones 9/10 with a great day
•Kenny Golladay had catch of day with great day overall
•Jon Feliciano looked good in 1 on 1’s v. Dex
•Remembering that Oshane Ximines is bad in the run
•Kadarius Toney didn’t practice at the end, idk why
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#Giants Daboll - still trying to figure out what this team runs well.....sometimes you pick out a play and just throw it out - or maybe practice it more
Yes, Coach......you and many many others. Been trying to figure that out for years. No easy answers for this one!
In particular, speaking for myself alone but informed by all the pre-draft info on the site, when Ezeudu in the 3rd and McKethan last pick in 5th, the initial reactions were Who? WTF? Why, when so and so is still on the board? Frustration, aarggh. LOL
I knew nothing about either guy, but it's now a ton of fun to think that Schoen and his staff got some players, maybe not as well known or touted as those sitting there at those junctures, but.....at long last..maybe..players!!
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attended an NFL summer training camp, and then fell asleep for 3 decades, and then suddenly woke up in a current-day camp, he'd swear the league had converted to flag football.
Right. Remember 2 a days
I had a college coach who thought he'd get cute -we had three a day.
One was entirely individual, and one specials.
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Robinson couldn’t contain his smile when asked about the package with him, Toney and Saquon in the backfield together. Clearly exciting potential with that grouping
After seeing his build/move, I'm not surprised at all they are playing him at T. May be his best position.
(And if Neal continues to struggle, maybe they move him to G and Ezeudu to RT?)
We'll see. It's early but Neal is clearly struggling in pass pro, which is to be expected even for a top 10 pick.
attended an NFL summer training camp, and then fell asleep for 3 decades, and then suddenly woke up in a current-day camp, he'd swear the league had converted to flag football.
True. Parcells and company ran some brutal practices.
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Robinson couldn’t contain his smile when asked about the package with him, Toney and Saquon in the backfield together. Clearly exciting potential with that grouping
I can't contain my smile thinking about Robinson not being able to contain his smile! The package with him, Toney and Saquon in the backfield together could be very exciting!
Looks like Jones had a good day, and so did the offense running the ball. I think it's safe to say that Neal had something to do with that. Let's not forget that he hasn't played RT since 2020, so it should be expected that he may struggle on occasion, even against a slug like Ximines.
After seeing his build/move, I'm not surprised at all they are playing him at T. May be his best position.
(And if Neal continues to struggle, maybe they move him to G and Ezeudu to RT?)
We'll see. It's early but Neal is clearly struggling in pass pro, which is to be expected even for a top 10 pick.
WTF would you move Neal, who was a top 10 pick to guard?
Do you remember how Thomas struggled as a rookie?
So you want to waste a year with him at guard on a team that isn't going to the playoffs in 2022?
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A second straight strong day from #Giants offense. WR Kenny Golladay had his best day of summer. Beat Adoree Jackson on a deep ball in 1-on-1 drills. Caught three passes in live periods. Probably not a coincidence that it came after Golladay had a semi-maintenance day Monday.
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attended an NFL summer training camp, and then fell asleep for 3 decades, and then suddenly woke up in a current-day camp, he'd swear the league had converted to flag football.
True. Parcells and company ran some brutal practices.
I think it was the "America's Game" episode on the undefeated Miami Dolphins where someone said Don Shula wouldn't even let them get a drink during practice.
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impressive in the few clips they've posted. He's built like a T, good feet and shows good overall technique and competitiveness.
After seeing his build/move, I'm not surprised at all they are playing him at T. May be his best position.
(And if Neal continues to struggle, maybe they move him to G and Ezeudu to RT?)
We'll see. It's early but Neal is clearly struggling in pass pro, which is to be expected even for a top 10 pick.
WTF would you move Neal, who was a top 10 pick to guard?
Do you remember how Thomas struggled as a rookie?
So you want to waste a year with him at guard on a team that isn't going to the playoffs in 2022?
It's called overreaction.
You might have some of the worst takes on the site.
Lmao he just says things to confuse or get a rise out of people.
Schoen and his team should be researching other rosters and pray for an impending cut around Labor Day that we can take advantage of. Maybe the Green Bay team...
Schoen and his team should be researching other rosters and pray for an impending cut around Labor Day that we can take advantage of. Maybe the Green Bay team...
You're like a dog with a bone, aren't you, lol.
Schoen and his team should be researching other rosters and pray for an impending cut around Labor Day that we can take advantage of. Maybe the Green Bay team...
Big Blue Banter guys made a similar comment, cycling different guys is not a sign of confidence
Schoen and his team should be researching other rosters and pray for an impending cut around Labor Day that we can take advantage of. Maybe the Green Bay team...
Based on what?
Dexter Lawrence has been having his best camp. Feliciano returns today and handles him. Giants were running the ball well today too.
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impressive in the few clips they've posted. He's built like a T, good feet and shows good overall technique and competitiveness.
After seeing his build/move, I'm not surprised at all they are playing him at T. May be his best position.
(And if Neal continues to struggle, maybe they move him to G and Ezeudu to RT?)
We'll see. It's early but Neal is clearly struggling in pass pro, which is to be expected even for a top 10 pick.
WTF would you move Neal, who was a top 10 pick to guard?
Do you remember how Thomas struggled as a rookie?
So you want to waste a year with him at guard on a team that isn't going to the playoffs in 2022?
It's called overreaction.
Throw in bum Ximines looking like LT...
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will be a sore spot this season.
Schoen and his team should be researching other rosters and pray for an impending cut around Labor Day that we can take advantage of. Maybe the Green Bay team...
Based on what?
Dexter Lawrence has been having his best camp. Feliciano returns today and handles him. Giants were running the ball well today too.
Besides "overreaction" if someone said earlier this year Dex and Williams will have their way with the cast of bums in the interior oline, I don't think many would disagree. And yeah they are bums, I would be happy if we get lucky with one of them being a decent career starter.
Or maybe everything will just turn out fine like you all hope...
Or maybe everything will just turn out fine like you all hope...
So you're basing your analysis on what happened in the past with players who are no longer here.
Got it.
You're another poster with terrible takes.
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Going to thread nine of these again:
1. Andrew Thomas has been so good in these. Another W against Kayvon Thibodeaux:
2. Thomas stuffing Oshane Ximines:
3. Dexter Lawrence faced much more resistance with Jon Feliciano back practicing:
4. Another Feliciano vs. Lawrence matchup:
5. Quincy Roche vs. Evan Neal. After jumping offside, whoooosh:
6. Evan Neal flagged for holding Thibodeaux:
7. Leonard Williams has been a problem all camp:
8. Shane Lemieux putting up a fight vs. Williams:
9. ILB Darrian Beavers lining up on the edge and beating Josh Ezeudu inside:
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Maybe I have become a bit clairvoyant regarding OL issues after seeing this same type of routine play out each summer camp and preseason.
Or maybe everything will just turn out fine like you all hope...
So you're basing your analysis on what happened in the past with players who are no longer here.
Got it.
You're another poster with terrible takes.
You don't got anything.
It's based on the weak or unproven personnel we had at the position going into camp, and how they are obviously scrambling to find a credible solution to start and/or be a serviceable backup.
You don't have to agree and hope that it goes along just fine but I would suggest the same on your take...
Feliciano is the first-team center. He was pegged for that from the start. There has been nothing to indicate so far he can't handle the position. That's a fact. Could it change? Sure, but he's lived up to his billing thus far.
The back-up center position is more up for grabs. Douglas doesn't look good, but Lemieux and Brederson have done some good things.
So yeah, I am basing it on what has transpired.
A problem that you "feel" the team has.
Why?
You aren't at practice and I'd bet, if you were, you still wouldn't be able to accurately spot issues. Even if you happen to be a coach, you wouldn't know what the players are doing without knowing what the installs are or how the coaches are treating the Indy, skelly and full team periods.
Practice seems to be going well. Players who have been much maligned seem to be putting in good work.
Realists enjoy the process.
They will put players in different positions to find out what they have and who is flexible and good enough to play multiple positions if need be.
My mindset this season is a prolonged training camp to see who may be counted on going forward in the rebuild and who will need to be replaced over the next two seasons ('23 & '24).
Feliciano is the first-team center. He was pegged for that from the start. There has been nothing to indicate so far he can't handle the position. That's a fact. Could it change? Sure, but he's lived up to his billing thus far.
The back-up center position is more up for grabs. Douglas doesn't look good, but Lemieux and Brederson have done some good things.
So yeah, I am basing it on what has transpired.
What has transpired is Schoen/Daboll are praying that Feliciano, who while has some skills on the interior but only 2 actual starts at Center, can hold down the position for the entire season.
If not or he gets injured, they are scrambling to figure out who can even be serviceable in that spot by sticking in an average Guard like Lemieux or a rookie Guard like Ezeudu as the backup. Both of whom also haven't played Center.
Bredeson, Douglas really need to be roster cuts and not relied upon as an actual option here.
I hope it works out too but it's a potential problem. And losing some of the names above and adding another experienced Center might be a prudent course of action come September cuts.
And there is nothing wrong with discussing it without calling me out for it. So settle down.
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In comment 15770863 mittenedman said:
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impressive in the few clips they've posted. He's built like a T, good feet and shows good overall technique and competitiveness.
After seeing his build/move, I'm not surprised at all they are playing him at T. May be his best position.
(And if Neal continues to struggle, maybe they move him to G and Ezeudu to RT?)
We'll see. It's early but Neal is clearly struggling in pass pro, which is to be expected even for a top 10 pick.
WTF would you move Neal, who was a top 10 pick to guard?
Do you remember how Thomas struggled as a rookie?
So you want to waste a year with him at guard on a team that isn't going to the playoffs in 2022?
It's called overreaction.
Throw in bum Ximines looking like LT...
No, it's absolutely an overreaction. As I wrote earlier:
Oh, and as for the IOL's you so cheerfully label "bums," it looks like Lemieux has made some great strides, and the early returns on Ezeudu and McKethan are in, and they both show promise. They're the future, along with Thomas and Neal. In your zeal to sound "edgy," you obviously fail to see that. Stop with your "too cool for the room" act and open your eyes.
Schoen and his team should be researching other rosters and pray for an impending cut around Labor Day that we can take advantage of. Maybe the Green Bay team...
Hey Googs….any thoughts about Jones these past two days, especially today?
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likely a function of how shitty our interior oline is which on paper is the case.
Not as shitty as some of our posters who post nonsense without seeing action in preseason practice.
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likely a function of how shitty our interior oline is which on paper is the case.
Not as shitty as some of our posters who post nonsense without seeing action in preseason practice.
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You really are bad at this.
But everyone could see that with your weird devotion to Chris Mara.
I agree, that is their strategy. What played out last year was a panic when Lemieux got hurt and the coaches determined they needed to cut the entire OL bench because they were also disasters. And then the disasterous Front Office went looking for whomever they could sign right before the season started. And they added some new disasters themselves which was no surprise.
it was kind of a disaster...
So they don't have Pro Bowlers inside so it's a weakness?
Do you people even listen to yourselves?
Glowinksi is a solid NFL starter. Ezeudu is a rookie so there will be growing pains, but both him and McKethan have shown enough for the Giants practice them not only with the 2nd team already (pushing down the cheap vets who were signed) but they are also getting serious reps at both tackle spots. Johnson also really like Lemieux.
But keep posting like a turd.
Another fun day in Giantsland.
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Word is that Kayvon Thibodeaux sang "Juicy" by Notorious B.I.G. in front of #Giants defense. Singing is typical rookie initiation here (musically gifted Andrew Thomas in 2020 crushed it).
How'd Thibs do?
“He was the first one,” Darnay Holmes said. “He set the bar pretty high."
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Maybe I have become a bit clairvoyant regarding OL issues after seeing this same type of routine play out each summer camp and preseason.
Or maybe everything will just turn out fine like you all hope...
So you're basing your analysis on what happened in the past with players who are no longer here.
Got it.
You're another poster with terrible takes.
Eric, you’re on fire today! A sincere thank you from the less vocal majority.
You really are bad at this.
But everyone could see that with your weird devotion to Chris Mara.
Feliciano signed a 1 year $3M deal to play a position he barely has. He was targeted because they are on fumes with the cap and desparate because of the Gates injury.
But we can move on since you're not listening anyway.
And I am not weird with Chris Mara...it's you and the rest of the conspiracy theory gang that lost your minds this offseason. I am just being sarcastic as to how silly it sounds when you bring him up...
You’re a fellow Giants fan who is not afraid to share his mind….so I would like to hear your perspective on Jones here to see how close they are to mine.
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They're going with Feliciano at OC this year. He seems to be doing okay (when he's practiced). If he can't go, it looks like they'll move Lemieux over. Outside of that, it's Bredeson or Douglas, assuming one of them sticks. That's it. They're not going to sign someone off the wire and expect them to learn a new offense with limited practice time so they can get plugged in right away. It's not happening. They're going to go to war with the army they have, not the one you, me or anyone else wishes they had.
I agree, that is their strategy. What played out last year was a panic when Lemieux got hurt and the coaches determined they needed to cut the entire OL bench because they were also disasters. And then the disasterous Front Office went looking for whomever they could sign right before the season started. And they added some new disasters themselves which was no surprise.
it was kind of a disaster...
Last year was last year. It has nothing to do with this year, except for the new regime having to dig itself out of the many, massive holes left by the old regime. It seems to me they've done the best they could with what they had to work with. What more do you want? I know...a tried-and-true Center. Well, so did I, but we didn't get one. We'll just have to live with that for the time being.
We used to be able to find important oline pieces like this on our way to 2 super bowls (hell 4) but not something we have done in a long time.
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They're going with Feliciano at OC this year. He seems to be doing okay (when he's practiced). If he can't go, it looks like they'll move Lemieux over. Outside of that, it's Bredeson or Douglas, assuming one of them sticks. That's it. They're not going to sign someone off the wire and expect them to learn a new offense with limited practice time so they can get plugged in right away. It's not happening. They're going to go to war with the army they have, not the one you, me or anyone else wishes they had.
I agree, that is their strategy. What played out last year was a panic when Lemieux got hurt and the coaches determined they needed to cut the entire OL bench because they were also disasters. And then the disasterous Front Office went looking for whomever they could sign right before the season started. And they added some new disasters themselves which was no surprise.
it was kind of a disaster...
Last year was last year. It has nothing to do with this year, except for the new regime having to dig itself out of the many, massive holes left by the old regime. It seems to me they've done the best they could with what they had to work with. What more do you want? I know...a tried-and-true Center. Well, so did I, but we didn't get one. We'll just have to live with that for the time being.
It's just a post discussing that weakness. We'll live with all their decisions, whether we agree with them or not. But still fine to post about it...
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Maybe I have become a bit clairvoyant regarding OL issues after seeing this same type of routine play out each summer camp and preseason.
Or maybe everything will just turn out fine like you all hope...
So you're basing your analysis on what happened in the past with players who are no longer here.
Got it.
You're another poster with terrible takes.
Ignore him. He’s CLEARLY spent too many hours watching ESPN and thinks it makes him something to copy the Mad Dog and Stephen A with ridiculous takes and constant arguing.
People who live in a fantasy world should be left there and ignored by all other posters.
I don't think he was... I thought he was a fixture at left guard for Oregon, but I may be mistaken.
Regardless, some of his OC play has been encouraging for someone who hasn't played the position ever or in a while.
Feliciano is going to be the starting center. If Gates can make it back, then we'll be in good shape. But that's a big if.
But we're basically arguing about he back-up center on a team that had a center last year who isn't even on a 90-man roster right now. (Billy Price).
You’re a fellow Giants fan who is not afraid to share his mind….so I would like to hear your perspective on Jones here to see how close they are to mine.
I was lukewarm with Jones in 2020 as he showed enough flaws and not enough uplift for the Offense needed from that QB position for my liking.
But I still gave Jones more benefit of the doubt than I was comfortable with going in 2021. Mostly because there was so many other issues, I just simply felt let him rise up or let him hang himself. What I saw was a guy who tries really, really hard and just hung himself with his suspect plat.
I think Schoen and Daboll see it too which is why they didn't give him the 5th year option. They also didn't see what they wanted in the Draft and didn't want to go to war internally on the DJ decision, so they punted the situation and will let Jones hang himself in 2022 and then move on...
It's just a post discussing that weakness. We'll live with all their decisions, whether we agree with them or not. But still fine to post about it...
It's an obsession, bruh (bruh?). Dare I say an unhealthy one? An all-consuming one? Is that really fine? No one's turning a blind eye to any of the Giants weaknesses, but you seem to be fixated on this one thing. As I said above, you're like a dog with a bone, but even a dog takes a break from gnawing on it every once in a while.
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It's just a post discussing that weakness. We'll live with all their decisions, whether we agree with them or not. But still fine to post about it...
It's an obsession, bruh (bruh?). Dare I say an unhealthy one? An all-consuming one? Is that really fine? No one's turning a blind eye to any of the Giants weaknesses, but you seem to be fixated on this one thing. As I said above, you're like a dog with a bone, but even a dog takes a break from gnawing on it every once in a while.
I did pick up COVID this week which hasn't been fun.
Otherwise, pretty healthy...
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In case you missed it, I asked you to share your thoughts on Daniel Jones’ progress these last two days?
You’re a fellow Giants fan who is not afraid to share his mind….so I would like to hear your perspective on Jones here to see how close they are to mine.
I was lukewarm with Jones in 2020 as he showed enough flaws and not enough uplift for the Offense needed from that QB position for my liking.
But I still gave Jones more benefit of the doubt than I was comfortable with going in 2021. Mostly because there was so many other issues, I just simply felt let him rise up or let him hang himself. What I saw was a guy who tries really, really hard and just hung himself with his suspect plat.
I think Schoen and Daboll see it too which is why they didn't give him the 5th year option. They also didn't see what they wanted in the Draft and didn't want to go to war internally on the DJ decision, so they punted the situation and will let Jones hang himself in 2022 and then move on...
Thanks for that…..but you didn’t answer my question. What are your thoughts about Jones’ progress from day 1 to today, especially noting the last two days of work?
Giants training camp observations, Day 7: Daniel Jones looks sharp, Brian Daboll scolds Saquon Barkley, Jon Feliciano returns, more - ( New Window )
No, he was strictly a LG at Oregon...for 52 straight games. Yowza.
It's just a post discussing that weakness. We'll live with all their decisions, whether we agree with them or not. But still fine to post about it...
It's an obsession, bruh (bruh?). Dare I say an unhealthy one? An all-consuming one? Is that really fine? No one's turning a blind eye to any of the Giants weaknesses, but you seem to be fixated on this one thing. As I said above, you're like a dog with a bone, but even a dog takes a break from gnawing on it every once in a while.
I did pick up COVID this week which hasn't been fun.
You had to pick it up? I had mine delivered.
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In case you missed it, I asked you to share your thoughts on Daniel Jones’ progress these last two days?
You’re a fellow Giants fan who is not afraid to share his mind….so I would like to hear your perspective on Jones here to see how close they are to mine.
I was lukewarm with Jones in 2020 as he showed enough flaws and not enough uplift for the Offense needed from that QB position for my liking.
But I still gave Jones more benefit of the doubt than I was comfortable with going in 2021. Mostly because there was so many other issues, I just simply felt let him rise up or let him hang himself. What I saw was a guy who tries really, really hard and just hung himself with his suspect plat.
I think Schoen and Daboll see it too which is why they didn't give him the 5th year option. They also didn't see what they wanted in the Draft and didn't want to go to war internally on the DJ decision, so they punted the situation and will let Jones hang himself in 2022 and then move on...
Thanks for that…..but you didn’t answer my question. What are your thoughts about Jones’ progress from day 1 to today, especially noting the last two days of work?
Whoops sorry.
From what I read and some of the videos, it sounds like he has a mix of good throws and continued questionable ones where he isn't seeing the field well. Inconsistent and doesn't sound like he is tracking to any kind of break-out year. Which is what he needs, right?
what do you think?
Link?
Giants training camp observations, Day 7: Daniel Jones looks sharp, Brian Daboll scolds Saquon Barkley, Jon Feliciano returns, more - ( New Window )
Scolding?
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Maybe I have become a bit clairvoyant regarding OL issues after seeing this same type of routine play out each summer camp and preseason.
Or maybe everything will just turn out fine like you all hope...
So you're basing your analysis on what happened in the past with players who are no longer here.
Got it.
You're another poster with terrible takes.
Ignore him. He’s CLEARLY spent too many hours watching ESPN and thinks it makes him something to copy the Mad Dog and Stephen A with ridiculous takes and constant arguing.
People who live in a fantasy world should be left there and ignored by all other posters.
Thanks for coming out from the NFT-yankee threads to provide this valuable football comment rich.
let's grab a beer next time you're in town...
Link?
they're all on here daily BH...
On the other hand, sounds like Jones is doing just fine. From Daboll's comments here, he may soon be regretting not exercising that 5th year option...
Daboll: Yeah. I think he’s been doing good. Each day, he’s making progress. Made good decisions. Had a couple turnovers, which one was a little slip on the skill guy and a timing route. So, I thought the other one (Cornerback) Adoree’ (Jackson) made a really good play. Attacked the ball well. We always try to limit those the best we can. But I think he’s making progress. Decision making. Trusting his reads. Still got a ways to go.
hmm...
Wink will get the max out of this D. clearly both sides of the ball lack depth in my opinion
LFG Blue
Well done.
Well done.
I posted it for the positives and to help all those looking to defend his honor. Mostly because you all suck at it...
This year? More like this afternoon, see mittenedman‘s post at 12:36 today.
Jones went from having his worst day ever to 2 solid practices in a row. So is he a star or still the same bad player?
Barkley looks like a god apparently.
I think things will all even out. Reports will put together their weekly reports and you will start to see the trends on players. You will start to see the depth chart come together. Ximenes will return to the player we know he is and disappear. Neal will start to string together some good practices. The rookies and 2nd year guys are the ones to watch. They will show the most improvement. Notice we havent heard a lot about McKinney this week?
Dont get too high or too low on guys this week. For the OL its only a few days with pads, not much to do without pads. I think it will be a fun team to watch this season and I do think we will be competitive. Injuries and the progression of the rookies and 2nd year guys will be the key to the success of the team besides Jones.
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In case you missed it, I asked you to share your thoughts on Daniel Jones’ progress these last two days?
You’re a fellow Giants fan who is not afraid to share his mind….so I would like to hear your perspective on Jones here to see how close they are to mine.
I was lukewarm with Jones in 2020 as he showed enough flaws and not enough uplift for the Offense needed from that QB position for my liking.
But I still gave Jones more benefit of the doubt than I was comfortable with going in 2021. Mostly because there was so many other issues, I just simply felt let him rise up or let him hang himself. What I saw was a guy who tries really, really hard and just hung himself with his suspect plat.
I think Schoen and Daboll see it too which is why they didn't give him the 5th year option. They also didn't see what they wanted in the Draft and didn't want to go to war internally on the DJ decision, so they punted the situation and will let Jones hang himself in 2022 and then move on...
Thanks for that…..but you didn’t answer my question. What are your thoughts about Jones’ progress from day 1 to today, especially noting the last two days of work?
Whoops sorry.
From what I read and some of the videos, it sounds like he has a mix of good throws and continued questionable ones where he isn't seeing the field well. Inconsistent and doesn't sound like he is tracking to any kind of break-out year. Which is what he needs, right?
what do you think?
Thanks …..apparently you aren’t reading thoroughly or maybe you don’t want to read or are in denial.
For instance…..DJ was 9-10 today with 1 TD. And the incompletion was a drop by Robinson. So, for all intents and purposes, he was 10-10.
Yet you SURPRISINGLY can’t find one good word to say about him. For the record, he was 15-20 yesterday with 2 TDs and 2 pics. One pic, according to Daboll, was probably helped by the WR slipping a bit.
Yet, again, not one positive word from you….but at least you have shown up. The other Jones haters, everyone knows who they are, right Producer, bw, and Go Terps, to name the big 3, are hiding like they usually do when Jones lights it up.
Hopefully you guys can find it in you to root for all Giant players and acknowledge their success and rejoice in it, and not wish for Bad tidings on anyone who wears a Giant Blue helmet in order to protect ones reputation.
Last year they had the worst RT in the NFL and close to the worst RG in the NFL. The 2021 starting center doesn't have a roster spot in the NFL with 90 man teams.
I think the OL is going to be much better than last year when 2022 ends unless injuries cripple them.
Thanks for that…..but you didn’t answer my question. What are your thoughts about Jones’ progress from day 1 to today, especially noting the last two days of work?
Whoops sorry.
From what I read and some of the videos, it sounds like he has a mix of good throws and continued questionable ones where he isn't seeing the field well. Inconsistent and doesn't sound like he is tracking to any kind of break-out year. Which is what he needs, right?
what do you think?
Thanks …..apparently you aren’t reading thoroughly or maybe you don’t want to read or are in denial.
For instance…..DJ was 9-10 today with 1 TD. And the incompletion was a drop by Robinson. So, for all intents and purposes, he was 10-10.
Yet you SURPRISINGLY can’t find one good word to say about him. For the record, he was 15-20 yesterday with 2 TDs and 2 pics. One pic, according to Daboll, was probably helped by the WR slipping a bit.
Yet, again, not one positive word from you….but at least you have shown up. The other Jones haters, everyone knows who they are, right Producer, bw, and Go Terps, to name the big 3, are hiding like they usually do when Jones lights it up.
Hopefully you guys can find it in you to root for all Giant players and acknowledge their success and rejoice in it, and not wish for Bad tidings on anyone who wears a Giant Blue helmet in order to protect ones reputation.
This is where you want to go with this...calling out fans that don't agree with your view?
In the answer above I said he had a mix of good and questionable throws in what I HAVE SEEN. Are you reading thoroughly or in denial chucklehead? And if all you want to do is worship one or two better days, and ignore or excuse away any bad days/issues then have at it.
And by the way, to describe this as Jones "lighting it up" is comical. I must have missed Daboll having that same sentiment in his transcript...
After seeing his build/move, I'm not surprised at all they are playing him at T. May be his best position.
(And if Neal continues to struggle, maybe they move him to G and Ezeudu to RT?)
We'll see. It's early but Neal is clearly struggling in pass pro, which is to be expected even for a top 10 pick.
Neal seems like a real “grinder”. He will buckle down and with the help of a good OL coach, he will get his problems solved. I think Thomas has a similar “grinder” personality but he struggled due to lack of coaching support. I think Thomas showed big improvement when he went back to his college techniques and the OL coach was canned. Neal is in a better situation and he should also be able to work out his problems with the help of good coaching.
Man, I knew those guys would not get a chance to enjoy the last laugh!
They can't run the Barkley/Toney/Robinson package (with Goll/Slay) every play.
Inside Look (8/3): Competition heats up at camp - ( New Window )
Kenny Golladay's contested catches highlight Wednesday's practice - ( New Window )
5 things we learned from training camp (8/3) - ( New Window )
Look at trends, who is consistently having good days. Whose name do you never hear about...those guys are in trouble. You really can't compare Jones to Taylor because Taylor is working with the 2's for the most part. We won't know about Jones until the real games start and even then I expect a very long leash.
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🏈#Giants Day 7: Off stars-Jones and Slayton. Play- Golladay twisting 50/50 catch. Def stars-Martinez (just to see him take some snaps agaim) and Lawrence. Play-McKinney blanket coverage for a 1-on-1 breakup
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In 5 years of NFL coverage, the best day-after-day training camp performance I ever saw was #Jets Carl Lawson before he tore his Achilles last season.
I've only been here last 3 days ... but #Giants Leonard Williams has inside track for No. 2 on the list. Dominating interior OL
I do not quite agree with him on Feliciano. The reports today seem to indicate he held his own win LW and Dex. But, no matter what, the OL will be far superior to late year.
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impressive in the few clips they've posted. He's built like a T, good feet and shows good overall technique and competitiveness.
After seeing his build/move, I'm not surprised at all they are playing him at T. May be his best position.
(And if Neal continues to struggle, maybe they move him to G and Ezeudu to RT?)
We'll see. It's early but Neal is clearly struggling in pass pro, which is to be expected even for a top 10 pick.
WTF would you move Neal, who was a top 10 pick to guard?
Do you remember how Thomas struggled as a rookie?
So you want to waste a year with him at guard on a team that isn't going to the playoffs in 2022?
I didn't say I'd move him now. Count me in the "don't give a f#ck" crowd in terms of him struggling in pass pro right now. Sy who've I've grown to respect immensely projected him to struggle initially. I'm speculating down the road. Part of his scouting report was he was a safe pick, because if he didn't make it at T, he would at G.
And it's good to hear he is at least handling perennial All-Pro Defensive Linemen like big Leonard and Dex since the other backups are not...
He’s a journeyman, who the coaches like. I think he’s a decent floor at the position, and just sticking on a roster is better than the guy he replaced.
But let’s all be real about what his ceiling projects to be.
Injuries and the progression of the rookies and 2nd year guys will be the key to the success of the team besides Jones.
Look for most of the rookies and 2nd year guys to be the most erratic.
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#Giants - Taylor drops in a perfect connection with Slayton, who has put up two good back to back days
Glad to see Pdot stopped the stupid "connex" nonsense from yesterday.