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What happens in Parcells retires right after XXV?

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/3/2022 6:45 pm
For arguments sake, he resigns that week after we beat Buffalo instead of waiting until May. Now I'm crossing off BB because 1) GY hated him & 2) I think the Cleveland hire was all but done. But perhaps TC gets a shot? GY was apparently very high on him, evidenced by us making a run at him after Handley flamed out. Or had TC already accepted the BC job? I can't remember.

It is an interesting hypothetical. Maybe Handley gets the gig regardless, but I always thought BP did no favors waiting until he did to quit in '91.
I had always wished Parcells  
steve in ky : 8/3/2022 6:51 pm : link
Had that trait in him as a Landry, Shula, or Noll all had and were content to stay invested in their organizations. Parcells was always the grass was greener type personality. I think it likely kept him and the Giants from another one or two championships.
I think Handley gets the gig regardless  
Matt in SGS : 8/3/2022 8:27 pm : link
Belichick was their target after they fired Bud Carson during the season. They actually dabbled with Bill Cowher as a possibility, since he was an assistant previously under Schottenheimer in Cleveland in the mid 80s. But the job really was carved out for Belichick for nearly 2 months. And we know that Young didn't think he was head coach material.

Handley was the guy the Giants org liked the most. Instead of naming him Offensive Coordinator to keep him from going to Law School, they'd have named him Head Coach. The only difference, I guess, is that Handley would have had a bigger seat at the table during the draft. But Young got his guys anyway, which is why he and Parcells clashed so much.

So, ultimately, I think it all works out the same. Maybe they force Handley to hire an Offensive Coordinator, or keep Erhardt in that role, instead of Handley doing 2 jobs.
When you think about it  
Gman11 : 8/4/2022 7:15 am : link
both Handley and Judge were elevated to jobs they had no preparation for. They both had no head coaching experience. Neither was even an offensive or defensive coordinator. This is the type of crap we've had to endure as Giants' fans.
Yes, I think Handley gets  
section125 : 8/4/2022 7:28 am : link
the HC job ultimately. But, it would also have given Young sufficient time to find another HC in Jan/Feb when there were more people available or an OC at worst.

We all love Parcells, but this was a total dick move by him and I am not sure that I ever forgave him for it. I think he fucked the Giants and we the people.
RE: Yes, I think Handley gets  
johnnyb : 8/4/2022 7:36 am : link
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the HC job ultimately. But, it would also have given Young sufficient time to find another HC in Jan/Feb when there were more people available or an OC at worst.

We all love Parcells, but this was a total dick move by him and I am not sure that I ever forgave him for it. I think he fucked the Giants and we the people.


I agree with you Section. If Parcells resigned earlier, say February, the Giants would have had the opportunity to interview candidates outside the organization. With Parcells resigning in May, and c
For continuity sake, the Giants settled on Handley. What a disaster! And Parcells knew exactly what he was doing. His FU to George Young.
Parcells did not surprise the Giants by resigning  
arniefez : 8/4/2022 9:37 am : link
they knew months before and asked him to stay through the draft. Maybe Wellington was trying to get him to change his mind. Who knows. Belichick and Coughlin were both told before they left that they were not next in line. George Young was not caught by surprise. Nothing would have changed.
RE: Parcells did not surprise the Giants by resigning  
section125 : 8/4/2022 9:55 am : link
In comment 15771553 arniefez said:
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they knew months before and asked him to stay through the draft. Maybe Wellington was trying to get him to change his mind. Who knows. Belichick and Coughlin were both told before they left that they were not next in line. George Young was not caught by surprise. Nothing would have changed.


Hmm, never heard that before. Not ever. If that was true Handley would not have been a last second scrambling replacement. Can you see GY not having a new HC or at least OC lined up if he expected Parcells to stay?
George Young Just Did Not Think Bellichick WOuld Make a Good HC  
LTIsTheGreatest : 8/4/2022 10:47 am : link
What he saw in Handley I have no idea. Still puzzles me to this day
The Giants weren’t winning anything  
George : 8/4/2022 11:05 am : link
After XXV and BP knew it.

Simms was coming off a major injury and was in his thirties. LT was in decline and admitted so privately. Ottis Anderson was on his last legs and the secondary was always a question mark.

There were still good players on the roster, but the stars were starting to fade and BP’s presence could not have changed that.
RE: Parcells did not surprise the Giants by resigning  
Victor in CT : 8/4/2022 12:07 pm : link
In comment 15771553 arniefez said:
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they knew months before and asked him to stay through the draft. Maybe Wellington was trying to get him to change his mind. Who knows. Belichick and Coughlin were both told before they left that they were not next in line. George Young was not caught by surprise. Nothing would have changed.


Yup. HE had his heart set on Handley. And did not like Belichick at all.
RE: Parcells did not surprise the Giants by resigning  
johnnyb : 8/4/2022 12:16 pm : link
In comment 15771553 arniefez said:
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they knew months before and asked him to stay through the draft. Maybe Wellington was trying to get him to change his mind. Who knows. Belichick and Coughlin were both told before they left that they were not next in line. George Young was not caught by surprise. Nothing would have changed.


I never heard this version ever. Not sure how accurate it is. Handley as 'best option' shows how off guard the Giants were caught.
RE: George Young Just Did Not Think Bellichick WOuld Make a Good HC  
US1 Giants : 8/4/2022 12:47 pm : link
In comment 15771612 LTIsTheGreatest said:
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What he saw in Handley I have no idea. Still puzzles me to this day


I have doubts that Belichick was ready to be HC yet. He needed to experience Cleveland and the Jets.
RE: RE: George Young Just Did Not Think Bellichick WOuld Make a Good HC  
US1 Giants : 8/4/2022 12:48 pm : link
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What he saw in Handley I have no idea. Still puzzles me to this day



I have doubts that Belichick was ready to be HC yet. He needed to experience Cleveland and the Jets.


oops, he was only an Assistant HC with the Jets
RE: The Giants weren’t winning anything  
Jimmy Googs : 8/4/2022 12:52 pm : link
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After XXV and BP knew it.

Simms was coming off a major injury and was in his thirties. LT was in decline and admitted so privately. Ottis Anderson was on his last legs and the secondary was always a question mark.

There were still good players on the roster, but the stars were starting to fade and BP’s presence could not have changed that.


Yep. Parcells and maybe Belichick could probably have slowed the decline and maybe rebuilt it back quicker but it was still going to decline.

And they weren't going to get by powerhouse Dallas for a number of years no matter who was in charge...
Ironically my understanding is Handly did not  
Bubba : 8/4/2022 1:11 pm : link
want the job. He was ready to go into private business or something like that. He apparently was some kind of savant and was actually banned from some Vegas casinos. GY had to convince him to take it. Just what I recall hearing.
RE: Parcells did not surprise the Giants by resigning  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/4/2022 1:40 pm : link
In comment 15771553 arniefez said:
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they knew months before and asked him to stay through the draft. Maybe Wellington was trying to get him to change his mind. Who knows. Belichick and Coughlin were both told before they left that they were not next in line. George Young was not caught by surprise. Nothing would have changed.


Never knew this. Thanks for information.
RE: Ironically my understanding is Handly did not  
Greg from LI : 8/4/2022 1:47 pm : link
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want the job. He was ready to go into private business or something like that. He apparently was some kind of savant and was actually banned from some Vegas casinos. GY had to convince him to take it. Just what I recall hearing.


Handley was going to attend law school at Stanford
RE: RE: Ironically my understanding is Handly did not  
Jimmy Googs : 8/4/2022 2:06 pm : link
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want the job. He was ready to go into private business or something like that. He apparently was some kind of savant and was actually banned from some Vegas casinos. GY had to convince him to take it. Just what I recall hearing.



Handley was going to attend law school at Stanford



RE: RE: Ironically my understanding is Handly did not  
Matt in SGS : 8/4/2022 2:17 pm : link
In comment 15771784 Greg from LI said:
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want the job. He was ready to go into private business or something like that. He apparently was some kind of savant and was actually banned from some Vegas casinos. GY had to convince him to take it. Just what I recall hearing.



Handley was going to attend law school at Stanford


He actually was going to attend George Washington Law School in DC. Handley went to Stanford as a student & coached there too.
Aha  
Greg from LI : 8/4/2022 2:32 pm : link
I thought I had read Stanford law. My mistake.
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