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NFT: Mets Minors 8/4/2022

DanMetroMan : 8/4/2022 9:03 am
AAA
Alvarez 1-4, HR, K, passed ball
Vientos was in the lineup but didn't play. No indication he was called up, possibly didn't feel well?
Otanez 1 inning 0 hits 0 runs 1 walk 0 k's


AA
Baty 1-4, BB, 2 errors
Mauricio 2-5, K, error (5/11 in August)
Meyer 1-5
Hartwig 1 inning 1 hit 0 er 1 walk 2 k's ( It wasn't his cleanest outing (hit and a walk) but Grant Hartwig struck out 2 lowering his era to 1.89 on the season over 27 appearances and his era since signing with the Mets as a UDFA now stands at 2.17)

A+
Ramirez 0-4, 4 k's
Consuegra 0-4, K
Hardy 1 inning 0 hits 0 runs 1 walk 1 k (nice breakout season)


A
Lugo 1-3, BB, 2's (sleeper)
Tilien 1-3, BB, 2 k's
Paz 1-1 3b (has gone from the DSL to A ball in one season. A physical specimen, one concern, for a guy who is considered a plus athlete, they have him 1b/DH quite often.)
ODLS 1-4 2 steals (53)
Ziegler (first appearance in 6 weeks due to biceps tendonitis) 0.2 innings 0 runs 3 walks 1 k (pulled due due to pitch count)
Diaz 6 innings 1 hit 0 runs 1 walk 6 k's (My performer of the day)
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RE: Putting  
moze1021 : 8/4/2022 3:50 pm : link
In comment 15771882 five5 said:
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Mad Max aside… of Degrom, Carrasco, Walker and Bassitt who will be part of this rotation in 2023?


Really hope deGrom is a lifelong Met... we deserve it after watching the Seaver and Doc go elsewhere

I think Carrasco is under contract so he'll be around, along with Peterson... both hopefully going for 5/6 starter role

At this point I love what Bassitt has done but he's 33 vs Walker's 29.. so I'd rather go with Walker

Then Ohtani to round it out
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DanMetroMan : 8/4/2022 3:53 pm : link
Josh Walker scheduled to make his first start for @stluciemets. He had been out for most of this season due to injury. Dominic Hamel the starter for @BKCyclones walks remain an issue (10 over his last 20 innings pitched) but 6 scoreless with 6 k's last time out #Mets
RE: Lefties  
moze1021 : 8/4/2022 3:54 pm : link
In comment 15771890 DanMetroMan said:
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vs. Megill

CU- .333/.667 Slug


Last season
CU .327/.714 slug

This is the crux of his issue




Look at the heatmap of his CU vs Max's vs LH.. Megill leaves his up and over.. max is either in the zone inside or below the zone in the middle... thats how it's supposed to be done
RE: RE: Putting  
DanMetroMan : 8/4/2022 3:55 pm : link
In comment 15771891 moze1021 said:
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In comment 15771882 five5 said:


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Mad Max aside… of Degrom, Carrasco, Walker and Bassitt who will be part of this rotation in 2023?



Really hope deGrom is a lifelong Met... we deserve it after watching the Seaver and Doc go elsewhere

I think Carrasco is under contract so he'll be around, along with Peterson... both hopefully going for 5/6 starter role

At this point I love what Bassitt has done but he's 33 vs Walker's 29.. so I'd rather go with Walker

Then Ohtani to round it out


Carrasco has a club option for 14 million that guarantees at... 170 innings... he's on pace for 173, wow lol
RE: RE: Lefties  
DanMetroMan : 8/4/2022 3:58 pm : link
In comment 15771893 moze1021 said:
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In comment 15771890 DanMetroMan said:


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vs. Megill

CU- .333/.667 Slug


Last season
CU .327/.714 slug

This is the crux of his issue






Look at the heatmap of his CU vs Max's vs LH.. Megill leaves his up and over.. max is either in the zone inside or below the zone in the middle... thats how it's supposed to be done


Scherzer is a real anamoly. His slider is arguably the most dominant RH/RH slider in the entire sport... and he doesn't throw it vs. lefties... at all. Not once.

283 vs. righties this season.... 0 vs. lefties. Nuts
RE: RE: RE: Lefties  
moze1021 : 8/4/2022 4:01 pm : link
In comment 15771898 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15771893 moze1021 said:


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In comment 15771890 DanMetroMan said:


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vs. Megill

CU- .333/.667 Slug


Last season
CU .327/.714 slug

This is the crux of his issue






Look at the heatmap of his CU vs Max's vs LH.. Megill leaves his up and over.. max is either in the zone inside or below the zone in the middle... thats how it's supposed to be done



Scherzer is a real anamoly. His slider is arguably the most dominant RH/RH slider in the entire sport... and he doesn't throw it vs. lefties... at all. Not once.

283 vs. righties this season.... 0 vs. lefties. Nuts


Right because he doesnt need to.. lol..

Cutter/Change

Doesn't throw the cutter vs righties
RE: RE: RE: Snab  
Snablats : 8/4/2022 4:04 pm : link
In comment 15771889 speedywheels said:
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In comment 15771823 Shecky said:


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In comment 15771814 DanMetroMan said:


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His CAREER numbers vs. lefties are terrible. What does his recent injury have to do with that?


He's got eyes we all trust more than your silly numbers :)



Haha!

Hey look, two dumbasses who will never get it. And, as usual, Shecky never answers my question. If Megill was good enough to have 3 scoreless outings in his 1st five starts this year, then how is he "unpitchable" vs left hand hitters? If he pitches as well as he did before tiring late last season, how is he "unpitchable"?

The lifetime numbers are skewed due to his poor results after he was hurt this year and poor results from tiring last year

Shecky will never admit this because admitting he is wrong just never happens

He is either related to Alderson or friends with an Alderson family member. The guy never stops defending and apologizing for Alderson and his idiotic baseball philosophies/ideas
Scherzer  
DanMetroMan : 8/4/2022 4:08 pm : link
as the saying goes had "significant reliever risk" because of his command... he'll go into the HOF first ballot. That's baseball lol
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DanMetroMan : 8/4/2022 4:13 pm : link
Talk about living up to your nickname.... Since 1900 (122 years) Mitch "Wild Thing" Williams has the highest BB/9 (7.08) of all qualified pitchers
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DanMetroMan : 8/4/2022 4:18 pm : link
Anthony DiComo
@AnthonyDiComo
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Dominic Smith (sprained right ankle) will begin a rehab assignment for Triple-A Syracuse tonight. With Daniel Vogelbach and Tyler Naquin now on the roster, the Mets won't say what comes next for Smith until he's healthy and ready to return.
JD Davis  
pjcas18 : 8/4/2022 4:23 pm : link
HR'd for SF (2 run)
RE: JD Davis  
moze1021 : 8/4/2022 4:30 pm : link
In comment 15771914 pjcas18 said:
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HR'd for SF (2 run)


Oppo shot off Kershaw
RE: RE: JD Davis  
Snablats : 8/4/2022 4:33 pm : link
In comment 15771919 moze1021 said:
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In comment 15771914 pjcas18 said:


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HR'd for SF (2 run)



Oppo shot off Kershaw

Good for JD!
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DanMetroMan : 8/4/2022 4:36 pm : link
@RumblePoniesBB OF Brandon McIIwain has been activated from the IL #Mets
McCann off IL  
moze1021 : 8/4/2022 4:39 pm : link
Mazeika back to AAA

I know McCann is a hot topic, but undeniable upgrade of Patrick
RE: McCann off IL  
DanMetroMan : 8/4/2022 4:43 pm : link
In comment 15771924 moze1021 said:
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Mazeika back to AAA

I know McCann is a hot topic, but undeniable upgrade of Patrick


As I said above, they should bring in Severino and dump Mazeika
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pjcas18 : 8/4/2022 4:54 pm : link
Anthony Rieber
@AnthonyRieber
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Billy Eppler on WFAN on bringing up Alvarez to be the catcher THIS season: “Never say never.”
If  
DanMetroMan : 8/4/2022 5:03 pm : link
he's mashing when 9/1 comes around, it's likely all hands on deck, though sadly for Vientos, don't see where he'd get any time at all (unless Ruf gets hurt). Ruf basically "is" Vientos.
RE: .  
DanMetroMan : 8/4/2022 5:21 pm : link
In comment 15771934 pjcas18 said:
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Anthony Rieber
@AnthonyRieber
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2m
Billy Eppler on WFAN on bringing up Alvarez to be the catcher THIS season: “Never say never.”


Listened to the clip.

He said Alvarez would not be up "for the foreseeable future, but never say never". So yeah, if he's red hot when rosters expand it could happen.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Snab  
speedywheels : 8/4/2022 5:23 pm : link
In comment 15771901 Snablats said:
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The lifetime numbers are skewed due to his poor results after he was hurt this year and poor results from tiring last year


LOL - so when his stats are good, it's because he's a good pitcher, but when they are bad, it's due to either him being injured, or tired? That's just stupid. Even for you

Here is a link to his game logs for 2021.

His last start of the season, (10/1) he was excellent - 5 IP, 0 runs, 1 hit, 1 BB.

However, the two before that, (9/24 and 9/15) he got crushed - 7 IP combined, 10 runs, 14 hits, 5 walks, 4 HR.

The start before that (9/10) he was great - 7 IP, 2 runs, 4 hit 1 BB.

9/4 - 6 IP, 4 runs, 7 hit, 1 BB
8/29 - 5 IP, 2 runs, 1 hit, 1 BB
8/24 - 3.2 IP, 7 runs, 11 hits, 0 BB (oh, and gave up FOUR HR.
8/18 - 6 IP, 1 run, 5 hits, 1 BB
8/13 - 5 IP, 3 runs, 6 hits, 1 BB

So his last 10 starts, he was good in 4, bad in 4, "OK" in one (5 IP, 3 runs), and I'll be generous and say "meh" in one (IMO, giving up 4 runs in 6 IP on 9/4 is pretty bad, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on that one). And they pretty much alternated each start (with two bad starts back to back once).

But according to you, he must have been tired in only the bad ones, right? And never mind one of his best was the very last start of the season, when he should have been most "tired" of them all.

I know you don't like stats, but they really are helpful - you should try it out, instead of spewing complete nonsense every single post.

But yes, we are the dumbasses...



Here's the link  
speedywheels : 8/4/2022 5:24 pm : link
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Kershaw  
DanMetroMan : 8/4/2022 5:33 pm : link
left the game (back) he's the best of his generation, and injuries suck... but that could hurt the Dodgers big time.
Megill didnt pitch in 2020  
Snablats : 8/4/2022 5:34 pm : link
and threw 40 minor league innings in 2021 before coming up to the Mets in June. His first 7 starts with the Mets he was really good. That put him at 75.33 innings on the year and he clearly ran out of gas after that

Then he was great to start this year before getting hurt and seeing his stats be horrible

So to say he is unpitchable because his career numbers vs lefties are skewed due to injury and not pitching in 2020 (and thus tiring quickly in 2021) is just plain wrong

Again, this is higher level thinking that escapes most people here
RE: Megill didnt pitch in 2020  
DanMetroMan : 8/4/2022 5:37 pm : link
In comment 15771956 Snablats said:
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and threw 40 minor league innings in 2021 before coming up to the Mets in June. His first 7 starts with the Mets he was really good. That put him at 75.33 innings on the year and he clearly ran out of gas after that

Then he was great to start this year before getting hurt and seeing his stats be horrible

So to say he is unpitchable because his career numbers vs lefties are skewed due to injury and not pitching in 2020 (and thus tiring quickly in 2021) is just plain wrong

Again, this is higher level thinking that escapes most people here


And he's spoken about his issues with lefties and wanting to add a pitch against them because.... he was "tired" and "hurt"... this sure doesn't sound like he agrees...


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While Megill’s changeup did improve during his rookie season, lefties still hit him at a .315/.383/.612 clip. So Megill worked this offseason to develop another pitch: a cut fastball, which he believes can keep left-handed hitters more off-kilter than the changeup alone ever could.

“I definitely wanted to add another weapon,” Megill said after pitching three scoreless innings Sunday in the Mets’ 6-4 loss to the Cardinals. “I wanted something hard and something that goes into lefties, so they can respect the four-seam. If I have something hard and in, it’s just an advantage for me to get on their hands and allow them to second-guess themselves.”

Megill said he worked on his grip before the lockout with Double-A pitching coach Jerome Williams, then later with former teammate Tommy Wilson. The pitch still isn’t quite where he wants it -- he estimated that he threw three cutters on Sunday and wasn’t pleased with the results -- but it could become critical during the season.



Weird
Pretty  
DanMetroMan : 8/4/2022 5:41 pm : link
weird to talk about your struggles with lefties, how you were going to incorporate a new pitch because of it, work in the off-season on it if it's just fatigue and injury... odd in fact. As noted, so far he's thrown 19 total cutters out of nearly 700 pitches thrown. Maybe it becomes an effective weapon once he gets comfortable with it? But he's struggled vs. lefties and he and the team recognize this and that it's not injury/fatigue related.
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DanMetroMan : 8/4/2022 5:47 pm : link
Tim Healey
@timbhealey
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Buck Showalter on Dominic Smith: "When he’s deemed ready to physically be activated, then I’m sure Billy (Eppler) and I and the staff will talk about what’s next. ... Who knows what happens by the time Dom is physically able to start playing again?"
I  
DanMetroMan : 8/4/2022 5:49 pm : link
mean, what else can Buck say but he's been replaced by Big Vog. Dom (I guess) can see a random game at 1b when Alonso is the DH. Otherwise, he's been replaced by Big Vog.
RE: 1 last point I forgot earlier, which is kinda important  
Eric on Li : 8/4/2022 6:09 pm : link
In comment 15771879 Shecky said:
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Why not overpay for a shot this year?
How much would any acquisition we made have moved the needle this year?

You win 100 games in a season and you've got a great chance of winning the WS normally, right? At minimum, one of the favorites.
This year it may not even get them a NL East title...

How often does a team win 100 games? About once a year. i think theres like 110 or something 100 win teams. Since 2000 there's like 20 or 25.

2022?
Might have FIVE 100 win teams. Plus the Padres who added Hader and Soto... think about that.
THREE 100 win teams in the NL, plus the Padres.
TWO 100 win teams, fighting for the division title in the east.

So we need to battle the Braves to hopefully win the division. Then battle a combo of Padres, Dodgers and Braves just to MAKE the WS this year. I don't care who is on the roster - that's effin brutal.

Clear all that, to have to try to beat the Astros or Yankees.

Sorry, a Loogy isn't the difference maker. Contreras might not have been either. This may be the most difficult year EVER to win the WS.

The good news. Two HOF Aces, still with a chance to win it.


Great post and great context.

One other thing there’s basically only 1 way there’s room to extend Contreras - which is Alvarez traded, which would basically only be for ohtani. I think the Mets will be in the thick of those talks but obviously it’s going to be highly competitive and who knows when the Angels decide to pull the trigger.

So while I wholeheartedly would have added a late inning reliever, I think holding the line with Contreras as a prohibitively likely pure rental was reasonable, especially if they turned down Mauricio. That wouldn’t have even been holding the line, he’s a better prospect than other teams gave up for non rentals with term.

mike minor’s numbers vs lefties, first time through the order, and prior performance from the pen made him a sort of dumpster unicorn. I don’t understand not rolling the dice on him or someone else like him. Fingers crossed he gets dfa’d.
RE: I  
Eric on Li : 8/4/2022 6:13 pm : link
In comment 15771967 DanMetroMan said:
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mean, what else can Buck say but he's been replaced by Big Vog. Dom (I guess) can see a random game at 1b when Alonso is the DH. Otherwise, he's been replaced by Big Vog.


Honestly unless he was bringing back something useful he’s a nice insurance policy. Let him mash at Syracuse with Baty, vientos, Alvarez- that’s good for all 4 of them to get confidence and the big league team in case any roles open up.
This article expresses my own mixed emotions about this year's  
Dennis : 8/4/2022 6:52 pm : link
deadline signings and the state of the team in general.

I think that some of the earlier comments made on this thread were very cogent, especially regarding how many teams may win 100 games this year, and therefore how difficult it may be this year to win in the playoffs.
The Padres, Yankees, Braves, Dodgers and Astros are all formidable opponents this year.

Should we have done more on Aug 2 this year? I'm really unclear. I felt that we did a lot in the offseason, and didn't need as much help this summer as some other teams. However, some of our offseason signings are under-performing. Escobar, recently Canha(who i really like) in addition to Dom, JDD(I know he's gone now) and McCann, are all under-performing. On the plus side, McNeil,
Lindor, Nimmo, Walker, Carrasco, and Alonso (anyone else?), are performing well.

So, should we have done more? Yesterday I posted that I'd like to trust the FO knew what they were doing, and did enough. Today, after reading some additional articles, I have more doubts. The Athletic graded The Yankees as an A, The Braves and Phillies as a B+, in their Aug 2nd additions. We were graded a C. I'm envious.

I think the next 5 games this weekend against The Braves will answer some of my questions.

The Article I've attached expresses my own mixed emotions.

I'd be interested in hearing how you all feel?

Link to the article in The Atlantic:

https://theathletic.com/3471426/2022/08/03/mlb-trade-deadline-grades/
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That Alvarez HR  
pjcas18 : 8/4/2022 7:09 pm : link
was crazy, but this Mauricio HR from Tuesday not far behind.
507 feet. Video in link

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Michael Mayer
@mikemayer22
Check out the numbers on this home run hit by Ronny Mauricio on Tuesday:

113 mph, 32 launch angle, 507 feet

Mauricio is 11-for-28 with 3 home runs and 2 walks in his last six games.

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This is maybe a fandom biased opinion but nym get no benefit of doubt  
Eric on Li : 8/4/2022 7:16 pm : link
Zips projects Voglebach, Naquin, and Ruf to add about 1.5 wins ROS.

Contreras’ 1.2 win projection ROS was the highest of any individual rental but how is the Mets fault the cubs decided to not trade him? Hasn’t every rumor indicated they went harder for him than anyone else?

Benintendi’s projection is .9 fwar and off the top of my head I think he was the only rental all star traded (not knocking nyy, I thought they had the best deadline of any team).

Mancini (.7) + Vazquez (.8) also equals the production the Mets added and Houston is another team who cleaned up. If you switched the 3 names the Mets got with those 2 the narrative would be much different but I’m not sure they’d have improved more than they did. I am sure they would have added 2 rentals instead of 2 players with affordable control beyond this year.

The bullpen criticisms are fair game but the rest of the criticisms are lazy. The Mets weren’t conservative, they were aggressive just not for the bigger names people expected. It may work out or it may not but they didn’t do nothing.
RE: That Alvarez HR  
Eric on Li : 8/4/2022 7:24 pm : link
In comment 15772008 pjcas18 said:
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was crazy, but this Mauricio HR from Tuesday not far behind.
507 feet. Video in link



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Michael Mayer
@mikemayer22
Check out the numbers on this home run hit by Ronny Mauricio on Tuesday:

113 mph, 32 launch angle, 507 feet

Mauricio is 11-for-28 with 3 home runs and 2 walks in his last six games.

link - ( New Window )


He destroyed that ball. 1 of things that’s interesting about his season is he’s pulled the ball more than half the time and at a higher rate than just about anyone in the system including Alonso. and the hrs have followed. Whether that’s something intentional they wanted him to work on or not who knows, but it seems like important context in the arguments knocking his approach and decisions. Maybe he’s been doing what the team wants him to do and there’s been a learning curve? the XBH numbers speak for themselves and im not sure it’s possible to consider any year a bad year leading any league in total xbh.
RE: This is maybe a fandom biased opinion but nym get no benefit of doubt  
Dennis : 8/4/2022 7:27 pm : link
In comment 15772013 Eric on Li said:
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Zips projects Voglebach, Naquin, and Ruf to add about 1.5 wins ROS.

Contreras’ 1.2 win projection ROS was the highest of any individual rental but how is the Mets fault the cubs decided to not trade him? Hasn’t every rumor indicated they went harder for him than anyone else?

Benintendi’s projection is .9 fwar and off the top of my head I think he was the only rental all star traded (not knocking nyy, I thought they had the best deadline of any team).

Mancini (.7) + Vazquez (.8) also equals the production the Mets added and Houston is another team who cleaned up. If you switched the 3 names the Mets got with those 2 the narrative would be much different but I’m not sure they’d have improved more than they did. I am sure they would have added 2 rentals instead of 2 players with affordable control beyond this year.

The bullpen criticisms are fair game but the rest of the criticisms are lazy. The Mets weren’t conservative, they were aggressive just not for the bigger names people expected. It may work out or it may not but they didn’t do nothing.


Hi Eric. I know you are one of the people on this site who has good insights and knowledge. I have a lot of respect for you, along with a few
other's knowledge re The Mets. Thanks for your thoughts, they are always
helpful to me.
From Mayer - Baty alvarez vientos in Aaa is going to be fun  
Eric on Li : 8/4/2022 7:27 pm : link
Mets third base prospect Brett Baty hit a two-run homer in his first at-bat tonight.

Now has 17 home runs and a .927 OPS in Double-A Binghamton.
RE: RE: This is maybe a fandom biased opinion but nym get no benefit of doubt  
Eric on Li : 8/4/2022 7:34 pm : link
In comment 15772026 Dennis said:
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In comment 15772013 Eric on Li said:


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Zips projects Voglebach, Naquin, and Ruf to add about 1.5 wins ROS.

Contreras’ 1.2 win projection ROS was the highest of any individual rental but how is the Mets fault the cubs decided to not trade him? Hasn’t every rumor indicated they went harder for him than anyone else?

Benintendi’s projection is .9 fwar and off the top of my head I think he was the only rental all star traded (not knocking nyy, I thought they had the best deadline of any team).

Mancini (.7) + Vazquez (.8) also equals the production the Mets added and Houston is another team who cleaned up. If you switched the 3 names the Mets got with those 2 the narrative would be much different but I’m not sure they’d have improved more than they did. I am sure they would have added 2 rentals instead of 2 players with affordable control beyond this year.

The bullpen criticisms are fair game but the rest of the criticisms are lazy. The Mets weren’t conservative, they were aggressive just not for the bigger names people expected. It may work out or it may not but they didn’t do nothing.



Hi Eric. I know you are one of the people on this site who has good insights and knowledge. I have a lot of respect for you, along with a few
other's knowledge re The Mets. Thanks for your thoughts, they are always
helpful to me.

Ty dennis - I didn’t like giving up holderman and candidly I’m not sure I’d have made the moves they made, but after seeing how well Voglebach fits I think they deserve some benefit of doubt. Rufs numbers since 2020 are legitimately eye popping so if he can play to that level here it will be a very good add. He’s not a catcher but his bat could be as good as Contreras would have been and he has years of control.
RE: RE: RE: This is maybe a fandom biased opinion but nym get no benefit of doubt  
Dennis : 8/4/2022 8:15 pm : link
In comment 15772033 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15772026 Dennis said:


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In comment 15772013 Eric on Li said:


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Zips projects Voglebach, Naquin, and Ruf to add about 1.5 wins ROS.

Contreras’ 1.2 win projection ROS was the highest of any individual rental but how is the Mets fault the cubs decided to not trade him? Hasn’t every rumor indicated they went harder for him than anyone else?

Benintendi’s projection is .9 fwar and off the top of my head I think he was the only rental all star traded (not knocking nyy, I thought they had the best deadline of any team).

Mancini (.7) + Vazquez (.8) also equals the production the Mets added and Houston is another team who cleaned up. If you switched the 3 names the Mets got with those 2 the narrative would be much different but I’m not sure they’d have improved more than they did. I am sure they would have added 2 rentals instead of 2 players with affordable control beyond this year.

The bullpen criticisms are fair game but the rest of the criticisms are lazy. The Mets weren’t conservative, they were aggressive just not for the bigger names people expected. It may work out or it may not but they didn’t do nothing.



Hi Eric. I know you are one of the people on this site who has good insights and knowledge. I have a lot of respect for you, along with a few
other's knowledge re The Mets. Thanks for your thoughts, they are always
helpful to me.


Ty dennis - I didn’t like giving up holderman and candidly I’m not sure I’d have made the moves they made, but after seeing how well Voglebach fits I think they deserve some benefit of doubt. Rufs numbers since 2020 are legitimately eye popping so if he can play to that level here it will be a very good add. He’s not a catcher but his bat could be as good as Contreras would have been and he has years of control.


Hi Ty, thanks. Good post. I read it right after Alonso and Vogelbach homered, you are very accurate.
Baty  
DanMetroMan : 8/4/2022 8:20 pm : link
Again. 2 homers. Ed Blankenmeyer (granted working for the Mets at the time) compared his upside to Jim Thome
RE: Baty  
DanMetroMan : 8/4/2022 8:27 pm : link
In comment 15772063 DanMetroMan said:
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Again. 2 homers. Ed Blankenmeyer (granted working for the Mets at the time) compared his upside to Jim Thome


Blankmeyer lol
RE: RE: Baty  
Shecky : 8/4/2022 9:40 pm : link
In comment 15772068 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15772063 DanMetroMan said:


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Again. 2 homers. Ed Blankenmeyer (granted working for the Mets at the time) compared his upside to Jim Thome



Blankmeyer lol


Not comparing the upside, because theres just no chance. But something about baty reminds me of Freddie Freeman
RE: This is maybe a fandom biased opinion but nym get no benefit of doubt  
Shecky : 8/4/2022 9:43 pm : link
In comment 15772013 Eric on Li said:
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Zips projects Voglebach, Naquin, and Ruf to add about 1.5 wins ROS.

Contreras’ 1.2 win projection ROS was the highest of any individual rental but how is the Mets fault the cubs decided to not trade him? Hasn’t every rumor indicated they went harder for him than anyone else?

Benintendi’s projection is .9 fwar and off the top of my head I think he was the only rental all star traded (not knocking nyy, I thought they had the best deadline of any team).

Mancini (.7) + Vazquez (.8) also equals the production the Mets added and Houston is another team who cleaned up. If you switched the 3 names the Mets got with those 2 the narrative would be much different but I’m not sure they’d have improved more than they did. I am sure they would have added 2 rentals instead of 2 players with affordable control beyond this year.

The bullpen criticisms are fair game but the rest of the criticisms are lazy. The Mets weren’t conservative, they were aggressive just not for the bigger names people expected. It may work out or it may not but they didn’t do nothing.


Not bad considering they get zero bonus for defense or position in WAR...
I trust snagle  
Shecky : 8/4/2022 9:47 pm : link
more than I trust Dan or Meggil himself to know what he can and can't do - and why
End of story
RE: RE: This is maybe a fandom biased opinion but nym get no benefit of doubt  
Eric on Li : 8/4/2022 10:19 pm : link
In comment 15772128 Shecky said:
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In comment 15772013 Eric on Li said:


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Zips projects Voglebach, Naquin, and Ruf to add about 1.5 wins ROS.

Contreras’ 1.2 win projection ROS was the highest of any individual rental but how is the Mets fault the cubs decided to not trade him? Hasn’t every rumor indicated they went harder for him than anyone else?

Benintendi’s projection is .9 fwar and off the top of my head I think he was the only rental all star traded (not knocking nyy, I thought they had the best deadline of any team).

Mancini (.7) + Vazquez (.8) also equals the production the Mets added and Houston is another team who cleaned up. If you switched the 3 names the Mets got with those 2 the narrative would be much different but I’m not sure they’d have improved more than they did. I am sure they would have added 2 rentals instead of 2 players with affordable control beyond this year.

The bullpen criticisms are fair game but the rest of the criticisms are lazy. The Mets weren’t conservative, they were aggressive just not for the bigger names people expected. It may work out or it may not but they didn’t do nothing.



Not bad considering they get zero bonus for defense or position in WAR...


And on top of that the current catchers defensive value is higher than Contreras, plus whatever volatility comes with learning a new staff.

I’m not the biggest believer in platoons (vs better everyday players) so I’m not sure these were the moves I’d have made but the pieces they got do seem to fit together especially well. Even Naquin giving them a second RFer with a strong arm and Ruf possibly a solid backup 1b to give Alonso some off days.

Repetitive I know I just would have liked to see all bases covered in the bp the same way.
RE: Megill didnt pitch in 2020  
speedywheels : 8/4/2022 11:16 pm : link
In comment 15771956 Snablats said:
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and threw 40 minor league innings in 2021 before coming up to the Mets in June. His first 7 starts with the Mets he was really good. That put him at 75.33 innings on the year and he clearly ran out of gas after that

Then he was great to start this year before getting hurt and seeing his stats be horrible

So to say he is unpitchable because his career numbers vs lefties are skewed due to injury and not pitching in 2020 (and thus tiring quickly in 2021) is just plain wrong

Again, this is higher level thinking that escapes most people here


Keep bringing the stupid….

answer the fucking question - explain how he was so “tired” that ha alternated good and bad starts his last 10 starts last year?

The answer is - you can’t; you’re just a fucking moron.

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It's getting tiring having to correct you  
Snablats : 8/4/2022 11:33 pm : link
First - it wasnt a good start every other start

Second - he had 5 decent or better starts in Aug/Sept/Oct. 3 of those 5 decent starts came on 5 days or 6 days rest. Only 2 of them were on the normal 4 days of rest, and both were in August

He clearly ran out of gas and needed more days between starts

RE: It's getting tiring having to correct you  
speedywheels : 8/4/2022 11:46 pm : link
In comment 15772196 Snablats said:
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First - it wasnt a good start every other start

Second - he had 5 decent or better starts in Aug/Sept/Oct. 3 of those 5 decent starts came on 5 days or 6 days rest. Only 2 of them were on the normal 4 days of rest, and both were in August

He clearly ran out of gas and needed more days between starts


Keep bringing the excuses for being wrong.

Must be “tiring” being this stupid, huh?

He had two starts NINE days apart  
speedywheels : 8/4/2022 11:54 pm : link
And he sucked both times.

We know stats aren’t your thing, but you should really pay attention to them. Every now and then, at the very least.

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So you don't understand what you're watching  
Snablats : 8/5/2022 12:02 am : link
And you don't understand numbers, either

What does it tell you that they were trying to give him extra time between starts and he still couldn't pitch well? It means he was gassed




I was not high on the Naquin trade  
Vanzetti : 8/5/2022 12:21 am : link
It seemed like the Mets were fixing a minor problem (Jankowski) and ignoring a big one: the bullpen

But results are the only thing that matter and Naquin's OPS with the Mets is 1.167.

Mets have also won 9 of 10 and Naquin and Vogelbach have been a big part of that.

So, the Front Office has to get good marks for the guys they did get. I think the offense is significantly better and in terms of cost these guys--Vog, Naquin, and Ruf-- are a great value.

Only time will tell if the bullpen will come back to bite.
RE: So you don't understand what you're watching  
speedywheels : 8/5/2022 1:13 am : link
In comment 15772207 Snablats said:
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And you don't understand numbers, either

What does it tell you that they were trying to give him extra time between starts and he still couldn't pitch well? It means he was gassed





No, it means he’s not that good.

Do you practice being this dumb, or does it come naturally?
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