AAA
Alvarez 1-4, HR, K, passed ball
Vientos was in the lineup but didn't play. No indication he was called up, possibly didn't feel well?
Otanez 1 inning 0 hits 0 runs 1 walk 0 k's
AA
Baty 1-4, BB, 2 errors
Mauricio 2-5, K, error (5/11 in August)
Meyer 1-5
Hartwig 1 inning 1 hit 0 er 1 walk 2 k's ( It wasn't his cleanest outing (hit and a walk) but Grant Hartwig struck out 2 lowering his era to 1.89 on the season over 27 appearances and his era since signing with the Mets as a UDFA now stands at 2.17)
A+
Ramirez 0-4, 4 k's
Consuegra 0-4, K
Hardy 1 inning 0 hits 0 runs 1 walk 1 k (nice breakout season)
A
Lugo 1-3, BB, 2's (sleeper)
Tilien 1-3, BB, 2 k's
Paz 1-1 3b (has gone from the DSL to A ball in one season. A physical specimen, one concern, for a guy who is considered a plus athlete, they have him 1b/DH quite often.)
ODLS 1-4 2 steals (53)
Ziegler (first appearance in 6 weeks due to biceps tendonitis) 0.2 innings 0 runs 3 walks 1 k (pulled due due to pitch count)
Diaz 6 innings 1 hit 0 runs 1 walk 6 k's (My performer of the day)
He's about to be 23 years old, he's played 122 games in St. Lucie (38 last season), and the concerns about his swing vs. better pitching (Longenhagen) will only be nullified (or deemed accurate) once he... faces better pitching
But then went to Twitter and saw the video of the Alvarez HR and..
well.. just look for yourself...
Alvarez - ( New Window )
What is the story with the catcher the Mets obtained from the Pirates, Michael Perez? Is he someone that could contribute on the MLB roster if they don't want to call up Alvarez?
What is the story with the catcher the Mets obtained from the Pirates, Michael Perez? Is he someone that could contribute on the MLB roster if they don't want to call up Alvarez?
Perez is glove only, can't hit at all (though he remarkably had a 3 homer game this season). He's about to be 30, 1.75 career hitter (.530 OPS) over 193 games. He's worse than McCann/Nido offensively.
He's about to be 23 years old, he's played 122 games in St. Lucie (38 last season), and the concerns about his swing vs. better pitching (Longenhagen) will only be nullified (or deemed accurate) once he... faces better pitching
Just checked, he’s 9 months older than the league average so yeah, at this point it should be sink or swim time considering he’s not even considered a “top” talent
Wouldn’t be surprised to see him retire. OPS+ of 44 over his last 2 seasons
The Nationals have now "lost" via various methods from their WS team:
Bryce Harper
Juan Soto
Max Scherzer
Trea Turner
Anthony Rendon
Maybe more and I'm not counting non-core players who they just let walk like Matt Adams.
Is that worth a WS win, knowing now they've got a good shot at hitting rock bottom and in an era where MLB now has a draft lottery?
Yes is ok. Just curious if there is a point where anyone would pass on a WS in favor of building a roster that is more sustainable in the hopes of winning multiple titles.
I tend to lean to the side of get the WS win, at all costs, but curious if that's what most people think. The Nationals (and before them the Marlins might be the best other example) show the cost.
you're right. still I'll include him, since he walked for nothing and it's likely part of the same vision that prevented them from extending him.
Good to know that with Cohen around the Mets will never have a scenario like this.
I don't think many have an issue for not getting a Soto. Reality is, Mets likely can't beat the Padres package. Abrams and Gore are former top prospects that have gotten their feet wet at the MLB level. Hassell and Wood are excellent prospects.
The issue is the Mets traded a useable reliever at the deadline, while only getting one back (though they did get May back from injury). Quite frankly, Givens may be pitching the same innings that Holderman was. So that may be close to a wash.
Very happy with what they did re Vogelbach (though would have rather given up minor leaguers), Ruf (although they overpaid), and Naquin. But they are taking a major gamble in trusting this bullpen.
It's a false dichotomy to ask whether the Mets should have gone "all-in" vs. what they did. They could have made 1-2 more bullpen moves that wouldn't come close to going "all-in."
saw an insta post where he launched it out of the whole yard.
I don't think many have an issue for not getting a Soto. Reality is, Mets likely can't beat the Padres package. Abrams and Gore are former top prospects that have gotten their feet wet at the MLB level. Hassell and Wood are excellent prospects.
The issue is the Mets traded a useable reliever at the deadline, while only getting one back (though they did get May back from injury). Quite frankly, Givens may be pitching the same innings that Holderman was. So that may be close to a wash.
Very happy with what they did re Vogelbach (though would have rather given up minor leaguers), Ruf (although they overpaid), and Naquin. But they are taking a major gamble in trusting this bullpen.
It's a false dichotomy to ask whether the Mets should have gone "all-in" vs. what they did. They could have made 1-2 more bullpen moves that wouldn't come close to going "all-in."
Couldn’t have said it better myself. Agree with every word
There is no reason Nimmo should not be on this team next year, or Diaz, frankly.
There is no reason Nimmo should not be on this team next year, or Diaz, frankly.
Agree on both, obviously Boras is a wild card but Diaz deserves the highest AAV ever for a closer, that's just the way the market works.
I don't think many have an issue for not getting a Soto. Reality is, Mets likely can't beat the Padres package. Abrams and Gore are former top prospects that have gotten their feet wet at the MLB level. Hassell and Wood are excellent prospects.
The issue is the Mets traded a useable reliever at the deadline, while only getting one back (though they did get May back from injury). Quite frankly, Givens may be pitching the same innings that Holderman was. So that may be close to a wash.
Very happy with what they did re Vogelbach (though would have rather given up minor leaguers), Ruf (although they overpaid), and Naquin. But they are taking a major gamble in trusting this bullpen.
It's a false dichotomy to ask whether the Mets should have gone "all-in" vs. what they did. They could have made 1-2 more bullpen moves that wouldn't come close to going "all-in."
I didn't ask if they should have gone all-in vs what they did.
I asked if you would be willing to sell the future for a World Series title.
You can say the Mets won't be in this situation because of Cohen's money and fandom, but until he is in that situation it's impossible to say with certainty - and it's more a theoretical question.
he was injured throughout his 20's, it's probably not common for players like him to get healthier in their 30's.
I don't consider him a no-brainer must sign like some of you.
He is also quietly having his worst season of his career. Not a terrible season, but statistically worse than his career numbers (especially with OBP which is where much of his offensive value comes)
Exact same boat. But both can be true. "Don't trade the top names" but also... could have/should have done more, even if it were multiple Givens level BP additions hoping one exceeded expectations.
Yep. The best chance to win a World Series is to build a team that consistently contends. The Mets in my lifetime seem to put a contender together once or twice a decade and go back to mediocrity or worse. Maybe they could’ve won in 1999, 2000, 2007 or 2015 (each of those teams was certainly good enough) if they caught a few more breaks, but would’ve been better to make it to the dance more often.
he was injured throughout his 20's, it's probably not common for players like him to get healthier in their 30's.
I don't consider him a no-brainer must sign like some of you.
He is also quietly having his worst season of his career. Not a terrible season, but statistically worse than his career numbers (especially with OBP which is where much of his offensive value comes)
PJ,
Last season 92 games 3.3 fWAR, this season 96 games 3.3 fWAR. If it's his "worst season" it's marginal. He's on pace for a 4.5-5 fWAR season, he's been their second best player behind Lindor by fWAR
fWAR tied for 3rd with Byron Buxton (behind Judge and Trout)
wRC+
wRC+ 5th (behind Judge, Trout, Buxton, Julio Rodriguez)
OBP 3rd behind Judge and Trout
OAA 3rd behind Straw and Julio Rodriguez
DRS 9th
Still think we should sign him. With Cohen, we need to bring back our best players even if the deals aren’t likely to end well. I have a feeling with the QO, we’ll find the market for Nimmo quite reasonable.
His offensive stats are down from last year across the board.
His OBP is down 50 points from last year. For your leadoff hitter that is a big deal.
If you want to just look at his fWAR and give him a contract go ahead. I would choose to look at more tangible results/expectations.
2nd in runs (Judge)
9th in slugging
3rd best K% (Straw/Mullins)
He's a top 5 CF in baseball by any reasonable measure
His offensive stats are down from last year across the board.
His OBP is down 50 points from last year. For your leadoff hitter that is a big deal.
If you want to just look at his fWAR and give him a contract go ahead. I would choose to look at more tangible results/expectations.
PJ,
I've posted his rankings vs. other CF's, he's near the top of the league in multiple key categories even if you ignore defense
You can love what Nimmo is doing this year and question giving him 6years/$175M. I think the Mets should bring him back, but it’s worth taking a look at how players like him project through their 30s.
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while I'm not looking to argue, you can really say you've watched the Mets and not come away impressed with how good Nimmo has been in CF? Almost everybody is raving about his defensive play this year, with matches up with the numbers.
You can love what Nimmo is doing this year and question giving him 6years/$175M. I think the Mets should bring him back, but it’s worth taking a look at how players like him project through their 30s.
Where did 6 for 175 come from? Not from me. Castellanos got 5 years 100. I expect Nimmo to get something in the neighborhood of 5 for 110-120
Ok, what did i say that was wrong?
A big part of ability is availability.
I will reiterate what I said and I stand by it:
"I like Nimmo but IMO it depends on how confident the Mets are in his health how much I'd be willing to pay him.
he was injured throughout his 20's, it's probably not common for players like him to get healthier in their 30's.
I don't consider him a no-brainer must sign like some of you."
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while I'm not looking to argue, you can really say you've watched the Mets and not come away impressed with how good Nimmo has been in CF? Almost everybody is raving about his defensive play this year, with matches up with the numbers.
You can love what Nimmo is doing this year and question giving him 6years/$175M. I think the Mets should bring him back, but it’s worth taking a look at how players like him project through their 30s.
Where did 6 for 175 come from? Not from me. Castellanos got 5 years 100. I expect Nimmo to get something in the neighborhood of 5 for 110-120
that does not sound like top 5 OFer in the game numbers to me.
37.1 Mike Trout
29.6 George Springer
19 million Aaron Judge
17 Cody Bellinger
12.3 million Kevin Kiermier
Aaron Judge, New York Yankees
Brandon Nimmo, New York Mets
Joey Gallo, New York Yankees
Mitch Haniger, Seattle Mariners
Michael Brantley, Houston Astros
Enrique Hernandez, Boston Red Sox
Those are the BEST FA OF's for this season
#1 That implies he's certainly a top level player
#2 Players don't get their "fangraphs value". Jose Ramirez has been worth 90 million dollars since opening day last season and over 40 million now 5 times. Lindor was "worth" 34 million last season and "everybody" was disappointed with his season (including himself). Lindor has been "worth" 40+ million 5 times in his career, did anybody expect him to get 40+ million per season?
So they are hoping they have enough to win it all this season while burning another year off the careers of Scherzer and deGrom - then hoping they can sign deGrom again