AAA
Alvarez 1-4, HR, K, passed ball
Vientos was in the lineup but didn't play. No indication he was called up, possibly didn't feel well?
Otanez 1 inning 0 hits 0 runs 1 walk 0 k's
AA
Baty 1-4, BB, 2 errors
Mauricio 2-5, K, error (5/11 in August)
Meyer 1-5
Hartwig 1 inning 1 hit 0 er 1 walk 2 k's ( It wasn't his cleanest outing (hit and a walk) but Grant Hartwig struck out 2 lowering his era to 1.89 on the season over 27 appearances and his era since signing with the Mets as a UDFA now stands at 2.17)
A+
Ramirez 0-4, 4 k's
Consuegra 0-4, K
Hardy 1 inning 0 hits 0 runs 1 walk 1 k (nice breakout season)
A
Lugo 1-3, BB, 2's (sleeper)
Tilien 1-3, BB, 2 k's
Paz 1-1 3b (has gone from the DSL to A ball in one season. A physical specimen, one concern, for a guy who is considered a plus athlete, they have him 1b/DH quite often.)
ODLS 1-4 2 steals (53)
Ziegler (first appearance in 6 weeks due to biceps tendonitis) 0.2 innings 0 runs 3 walks 1 k (pulled due due to pitch count)
Diaz 6 innings 1 hit 0 runs 1 walk 6 k's (My performer of the day)
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Buck Showalter on Dominic Smith: "When he’s deemed ready to physically be activated, then I’m sure Billy (Eppler) and I and the staff will talk about what’s next. ... Who knows what happens by the time Dom is physically able to start playing again?"
How much would any acquisition we made have moved the needle this year?
You win 100 games in a season and you've got a great chance of winning the WS normally, right? At minimum, one of the favorites.
This year it may not even get them a NL East title...
How often does a team win 100 games? About once a year. i think theres like 110 or something 100 win teams. Since 2000 there's like 20 or 25.
2022?
Might have FIVE 100 win teams. Plus the Padres who added Hader and Soto... think about that.
THREE 100 win teams in the NL, plus the Padres.
TWO 100 win teams, fighting for the division title in the east.
So we need to battle the Braves to hopefully win the division. Then battle a combo of Padres, Dodgers and Braves just to MAKE the WS this year. I don't care who is on the roster - that's effin brutal.
Clear all that, to have to try to beat the Astros or Yankees.
Sorry, a Loogy isn't the difference maker. Contreras might not have been either. This may be the most difficult year EVER to win the WS.
The good news. Two HOF Aces, still with a chance to win it.
Great post and great context.
One other thing there’s basically only 1 way there’s room to extend Contreras - which is Alvarez traded, which would basically only be for ohtani. I think the Mets will be in the thick of those talks but obviously it’s going to be highly competitive and who knows when the Angels decide to pull the trigger.
So while I wholeheartedly would have added a late inning reliever, I think holding the line with Contreras as a prohibitively likely pure rental was reasonable, especially if they turned down Mauricio. That wouldn’t have even been holding the line, he’s a better prospect than other teams gave up for non rentals with term.
mike minor’s numbers vs lefties, first time through the order, and prior performance from the pen made him a sort of dumpster unicorn. I don’t understand not rolling the dice on him or someone else like him. Fingers crossed he gets dfa’d.
Honestly unless he was bringing back something useful he’s a nice insurance policy. Let him mash at Syracuse with Baty, vientos, Alvarez- that’s good for all 4 of them to get confidence and the big league team in case any roles open up.
I think that some of the earlier comments made on this thread were very cogent, especially regarding how many teams may win 100 games this year, and therefore how difficult it may be this year to win in the playoffs.
The Padres, Yankees, Braves, Dodgers and Astros are all formidable opponents this year.
Should we have done more on Aug 2 this year? I'm really unclear. I felt that we did a lot in the offseason, and didn't need as much help this summer as some other teams. However, some of our offseason signings are under-performing. Escobar, recently Canha(who i really like) in addition to Dom, JDD(I know he's gone now) and McCann, are all under-performing. On the plus side, McNeil,
Lindor, Nimmo, Walker, Carrasco, and Alonso (anyone else?), are performing well.
So, should we have done more? Yesterday I posted that I'd like to trust the FO knew what they were doing, and did enough. Today, after reading some additional articles, I have more doubts. The Athletic graded The Yankees as an A, The Braves and Phillies as a B+, in their Aug 2nd additions. We were graded a C. I'm envious.
I think the next 5 games this weekend against The Braves will answer some of my questions.
The Article I've attached expresses my own mixed emotions.
I'd be interested in hearing how you all feel?
Link to the article in The Atlantic:
https://theathletic.com/3471426/2022/08/03/mlb-trade-deadline-grades/
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507 feet. Video in link
@mikemayer22
Check out the numbers on this home run hit by Ronny Mauricio on Tuesday:
113 mph, 32 launch angle, 507 feet
Mauricio is 11-for-28 with 3 home runs and 2 walks in his last six games.
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Contreras’ 1.2 win projection ROS was the highest of any individual rental but how is the Mets fault the cubs decided to not trade him? Hasn’t every rumor indicated they went harder for him than anyone else?
Benintendi’s projection is .9 fwar and off the top of my head I think he was the only rental all star traded (not knocking nyy, I thought they had the best deadline of any team).
Mancini (.7) + Vazquez (.8) also equals the production the Mets added and Houston is another team who cleaned up. If you switched the 3 names the Mets got with those 2 the narrative would be much different but I’m not sure they’d have improved more than they did. I am sure they would have added 2 rentals instead of 2 players with affordable control beyond this year.
The bullpen criticisms are fair game but the rest of the criticisms are lazy. The Mets weren’t conservative, they were aggressive just not for the bigger names people expected. It may work out or it may not but they didn’t do nothing.
507 feet. Video in link
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Michael Mayer
@mikemayer22
Check out the numbers on this home run hit by Ronny Mauricio on Tuesday:
113 mph, 32 launch angle, 507 feet
Mauricio is 11-for-28 with 3 home runs and 2 walks in his last six games.
link - ( New Window )
He destroyed that ball. 1 of things that’s interesting about his season is he’s pulled the ball more than half the time and at a higher rate than just about anyone in the system including Alonso. and the hrs have followed. Whether that’s something intentional they wanted him to work on or not who knows, but it seems like important context in the arguments knocking his approach and decisions. Maybe he’s been doing what the team wants him to do and there’s been a learning curve? the XBH numbers speak for themselves and im not sure it’s possible to consider any year a bad year leading any league in total xbh.
Contreras’ 1.2 win projection ROS was the highest of any individual rental but how is the Mets fault the cubs decided to not trade him? Hasn’t every rumor indicated they went harder for him than anyone else?
Benintendi’s projection is .9 fwar and off the top of my head I think he was the only rental all star traded (not knocking nyy, I thought they had the best deadline of any team).
Mancini (.7) + Vazquez (.8) also equals the production the Mets added and Houston is another team who cleaned up. If you switched the 3 names the Mets got with those 2 the narrative would be much different but I’m not sure they’d have improved more than they did. I am sure they would have added 2 rentals instead of 2 players with affordable control beyond this year.
The bullpen criticisms are fair game but the rest of the criticisms are lazy. The Mets weren’t conservative, they were aggressive just not for the bigger names people expected. It may work out or it may not but they didn’t do nothing.
Hi Eric. I know you are one of the people on this site who has good insights and knowledge. I have a lot of respect for you, along with a few
other's knowledge re The Mets. Thanks for your thoughts, they are always
helpful to me.
Now has 17 home runs and a .927 OPS in Double-A Binghamton.
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Zips projects Voglebach, Naquin, and Ruf to add about 1.5 wins ROS.
Contreras’ 1.2 win projection ROS was the highest of any individual rental but how is the Mets fault the cubs decided to not trade him? Hasn’t every rumor indicated they went harder for him than anyone else?
Benintendi’s projection is .9 fwar and off the top of my head I think he was the only rental all star traded (not knocking nyy, I thought they had the best deadline of any team).
Mancini (.7) + Vazquez (.8) also equals the production the Mets added and Houston is another team who cleaned up. If you switched the 3 names the Mets got with those 2 the narrative would be much different but I’m not sure they’d have improved more than they did. I am sure they would have added 2 rentals instead of 2 players with affordable control beyond this year.
The bullpen criticisms are fair game but the rest of the criticisms are lazy. The Mets weren’t conservative, they were aggressive just not for the bigger names people expected. It may work out or it may not but they didn’t do nothing.
Hi Eric. I know you are one of the people on this site who has good insights and knowledge. I have a lot of respect for you, along with a few
other's knowledge re The Mets. Thanks for your thoughts, they are always
helpful to me.
Ty dennis - I didn’t like giving up holderman and candidly I’m not sure I’d have made the moves they made, but after seeing how well Voglebach fits I think they deserve some benefit of doubt. Rufs numbers since 2020 are legitimately eye popping so if he can play to that level here it will be a very good add. He’s not a catcher but his bat could be as good as Contreras would have been and he has years of control.
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Zips projects Voglebach, Naquin, and Ruf to add about 1.5 wins ROS.
Contreras’ 1.2 win projection ROS was the highest of any individual rental but how is the Mets fault the cubs decided to not trade him? Hasn’t every rumor indicated they went harder for him than anyone else?
Benintendi’s projection is .9 fwar and off the top of my head I think he was the only rental all star traded (not knocking nyy, I thought they had the best deadline of any team).
Mancini (.7) + Vazquez (.8) also equals the production the Mets added and Houston is another team who cleaned up. If you switched the 3 names the Mets got with those 2 the narrative would be much different but I’m not sure they’d have improved more than they did. I am sure they would have added 2 rentals instead of 2 players with affordable control beyond this year.
The bullpen criticisms are fair game but the rest of the criticisms are lazy. The Mets weren’t conservative, they were aggressive just not for the bigger names people expected. It may work out or it may not but they didn’t do nothing.
Hi Eric. I know you are one of the people on this site who has good insights and knowledge. I have a lot of respect for you, along with a few
other's knowledge re The Mets. Thanks for your thoughts, they are always
helpful to me.
Ty dennis - I didn’t like giving up holderman and candidly I’m not sure I’d have made the moves they made, but after seeing how well Voglebach fits I think they deserve some benefit of doubt. Rufs numbers since 2020 are legitimately eye popping so if he can play to that level here it will be a very good add. He’s not a catcher but his bat could be as good as Contreras would have been and he has years of control.
Hi Ty, thanks. Good post. I read it right after Alonso and Vogelbach homered, you are very accurate.
Blankmeyer lol
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Again. 2 homers. Ed Blankenmeyer (granted working for the Mets at the time) compared his upside to Jim Thome
Blankmeyer lol
Not comparing the upside, because theres just no chance. But something about baty reminds me of Freddie Freeman
Contreras’ 1.2 win projection ROS was the highest of any individual rental but how is the Mets fault the cubs decided to not trade him? Hasn’t every rumor indicated they went harder for him than anyone else?
Benintendi’s projection is .9 fwar and off the top of my head I think he was the only rental all star traded (not knocking nyy, I thought they had the best deadline of any team).
Mancini (.7) + Vazquez (.8) also equals the production the Mets added and Houston is another team who cleaned up. If you switched the 3 names the Mets got with those 2 the narrative would be much different but I’m not sure they’d have improved more than they did. I am sure they would have added 2 rentals instead of 2 players with affordable control beyond this year.
The bullpen criticisms are fair game but the rest of the criticisms are lazy. The Mets weren’t conservative, they were aggressive just not for the bigger names people expected. It may work out or it may not but they didn’t do nothing.
Not bad considering they get zero bonus for defense or position in WAR...
End of story
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Zips projects Voglebach, Naquin, and Ruf to add about 1.5 wins ROS.
Contreras’ 1.2 win projection ROS was the highest of any individual rental but how is the Mets fault the cubs decided to not trade him? Hasn’t every rumor indicated they went harder for him than anyone else?
Benintendi’s projection is .9 fwar and off the top of my head I think he was the only rental all star traded (not knocking nyy, I thought they had the best deadline of any team).
Mancini (.7) + Vazquez (.8) also equals the production the Mets added and Houston is another team who cleaned up. If you switched the 3 names the Mets got with those 2 the narrative would be much different but I’m not sure they’d have improved more than they did. I am sure they would have added 2 rentals instead of 2 players with affordable control beyond this year.
The bullpen criticisms are fair game but the rest of the criticisms are lazy. The Mets weren’t conservative, they were aggressive just not for the bigger names people expected. It may work out or it may not but they didn’t do nothing.
Not bad considering they get zero bonus for defense or position in WAR...
And on top of that the current catchers defensive value is higher than Contreras, plus whatever volatility comes with learning a new staff.
I’m not the biggest believer in platoons (vs better everyday players) so I’m not sure these were the moves I’d have made but the pieces they got do seem to fit together especially well. Even Naquin giving them a second RFer with a strong arm and Ruf possibly a solid backup 1b to give Alonso some off days.
Repetitive I know I just would have liked to see all bases covered in the bp the same way.
Then he was great to start this year before getting hurt and seeing his stats be horrible
So to say he is unpitchable because his career numbers vs lefties are skewed due to injury and not pitching in 2020 (and thus tiring quickly in 2021) is just plain wrong
Again, this is higher level thinking that escapes most people here
Keep bringing the stupid….
answer the fucking question - explain how he was so “tired” that ha alternated good and bad starts his last 10 starts last year?
The answer is - you can’t; you’re just a fucking moron.
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Second - he had 5 decent or better starts in Aug/Sept/Oct. 3 of those 5 decent starts came on 5 days or 6 days rest. Only 2 of them were on the normal 4 days of rest, and both were in August
He clearly ran out of gas and needed more days between starts
Second - he had 5 decent or better starts in Aug/Sept/Oct. 3 of those 5 decent starts came on 5 days or 6 days rest. Only 2 of them were on the normal 4 days of rest, and both were in August
He clearly ran out of gas and needed more days between starts
Keep bringing the excuses for being wrong.
Must be “tiring” being this stupid, huh?
We know stats aren’t your thing, but you should really pay attention to them. Every now and then, at the very least.
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What does it tell you that they were trying to give him extra time between starts and he still couldn't pitch well? It means he was gassed
But results are the only thing that matter and Naquin's OPS with the Mets is 1.167.
Mets have also won 9 of 10 and Naquin and Vogelbach have been a big part of that.
So, the Front Office has to get good marks for the guys they did get. I think the offense is significantly better and in terms of cost these guys--Vog, Naquin, and Ruf-- are a great value.
Only time will tell if the bullpen will come back to bite.
What does it tell you that they were trying to give him extra time between starts and he still couldn't pitch well? It means he was gassed
No, it means he’s not that good.
Do you practice being this dumb, or does it come naturally?