Here is some good explanatory info on PSM. PSM will be a big part of the Giants 2022 offense (we're already seeing it in the practices.) Click the live link.
The second link ( copy and paste) lists the 2021 usage, team by team of PSM. For some reason the number one team in terms of usage, The Niners was omitted. The Giants were near the bottom in terms of PSM...no surprise. The Chiefs and Bills were in the top 15... no surprise.
2. https://twitter.com/sethwalder/status/1440755007255576576?lang=en
The third link (copy and paste) details the various types of PSM.
3. https://www.viqtorysports.com/pre-snap-movement-in-the-offense/
I hope you find this helpful.
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I think it's more the opposite effect: even among teams that use pre-snap motion regularly, they tend to abandon much of their pre-snap routine when they're in hurry-up mode. And they're in hurry-up mode when they're losing, generally speaking.
Assuming that most comeback attempts fail and that most teams who lose games are losing along the way (that is to say that most losses do not come on the football equivalent of a walk-off HR), teams that lose are likely to have less pre-snap motion than those that win. But the win/loss isn't a result of the pre-snap motion; the pre-snap motion is a result of the in-game score itself.
2. https://twitter.com/sethwalder/status/1440755007255576576?lang=en
It looks like those numbers are only from the first two weeks of the 2021 season, since it was posted on 9/22/21.
And if you click on the image, it opens up the full image with all the teams (including the Niners at the top). Well, half the teams - you arrow over to the second half in the next image.
Play action, definitely, you need a good running game, and being ahead, or at least within a score, makes it much more effective.
That isn’t the case with PSM. It is just as effective in passing situations, maybe more so. It’s all about getting the defense to reveal itself and setting up favorable matchups. Yes, PSM can help in the run game, but it is also effective passing.
Which returns me to my #1 peeve at Garrett - his refusal to use PSM. It was like he was saying, “I don’t care what the rest of the league is doing, I’m smarter than them.” Good riddance.
Even the "traditional" motion of sending a receiver across the formation to help determine man or zone I'm not particularly keen on Jones playing a chess match against a decent DC - he already seems to have problems processing too much as is.
Assuming that most comeback attempts fail and that most teams who lose games are losing along the way (that is to say that most losses do not come on the football equivalent of a walk-off HR), teams that lose are likely to have less pre-snap motion than those that win. But the win/loss isn't a result of the pre-snap motion; the pre-snap motion is a result of the in-game score itself.
The pre-snap motion effect has been overrated around here because when the Giants offense stunk early on and people looking for a cause, a member of the press noticed the lack of pre-snap motion. However, after the first few games, there was more pre-snap motion which I believe lasted until Jones got hurt again.
Now having heard more about Judge's over aversion to mistakes, it's reasonable to assume that he waited until everyone (or maybe Jones himself) was more familiar with the new offense before allowing the use of pre-snap motion fearing it would cause more mistakes in the offense than defense.
Like others have said above, pre-snap motion is an interesting stat but not the conclusive snap that people are making it out to be
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"Garrett has spent his whole life in football, but I know more than him"
whoops, Payton Manning the most cerebral qb of modern times, didn't like it pre-motion either so our intrepid poster knows more than him too.
Garrett lost his preseason to covid and that hurt more than the teams that had been together...new coaching, new system, no preseason...but folks here think he should have installed a more sophisticated offense.
In the giants history two teams have gone 13 3 and they were loaded on both sides of the ball. Garrett took a team with a league worst defense (or close to it) and went 13-3. Most astounding he did it with a qb who was a late fourth round pick that year and didn't play in the preseason.
but that doesn't stop our know nothing fan """the thing that ticks ME off the most . Oh brother.
I don't know enough to have an opinion, I think though that judge was so bad that's it's hard to Judge.... and only a fool talks with the certainties we hear paraded here as absolutes and the opinions that masquerade as facts.
Interesting, thanks. I wonder if the D played that correctly. As the announcers point out, the CB trails the WR all the way across the field leaving no one on the corner that SB ran around. Or maybe that's just PSM at work...