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NFT: Mets Minors 8/5/2022

DanMetroMan : 8/5/2022 8:41 am
Keyshawn Askew promoted to Brooklyn

AAA-Looks like there must be something physical/health-wise going on with Vientos who hasn't played in 2 straight
Alvarez 0-4, BB, K
Dom 0-1, 2 BB
Montes De Oca 1 inning 1 hit 2 runs 2 walks 2 k's
Diehl 0 outs recorded 3 hits 1 er 1 walk


AA (game suspended after 3 and yet...)
Brett Baty 2-2, 2 HR
Mauricio 1-2, K
McIIwain 1-2, HR, K
Young 1-2

A+
Ramirez 2-4, 2b, K
Consuegra 0-2, BB
Hamel 5 innings 1 hit 0 runs 2 walks 7 k's (Last 3 starts 17 innings 6 hits 0 er 5 walks 19 k's, dropping his era to 3.26)

St. Lucie
Lugo 3-4, BB, K
Tillien 3-4, BB, K
Walker 2 innings 1 hit 1 run 1 walk 5 k's
Sanchez 4 innings 0 hits 1 run 1 walk 5 k's
Juarez 1 inning 0 hits 0 runs 1 walk 3 k's

FCL
McIntosh 1-4, 3 k's
Villavicencio 1-3 (Kevin Villavicencio posted an .829 OPS in July and is hitting .455/.500/.455 in August )

FCL
Imagine the scene at Citi?  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2022 8:44 am : link
Steven Cohen
@StevenACohen2
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10h
Diaz is 28. You want me to sign him for life . He might live to 100 . This could be really expensive

@WexlerRules
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10h
Best closer in baseball. Lock him up! (And please, please please…)
@TimmyTrumpet
live at Citi for his intro


Timmy Trumpet
@TimmyTrumpet

I'm down! Let's make it happen 🎺
Mets sign UDFA Jordan Geber  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2022 9:19 am : link




Geber touched 95.1 during the week of 7/22-7/25 the tied for the top FB velocity in the league for that week #Mets


MLB Draft League Data
@draftleaguedata
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Jul 25
𝚃𝚘𝚙 𝙵𝚊𝚜𝚝𝚋𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚂𝚙𝚒𝚗 𝚁𝚊𝚝𝚎𝚜 - 𝙹𝚞𝚕𝚢 𝟸𝟸-𝟸𝟺

Jonathan Pintaro, FRE - 2647.8 RPM
Chad Coles, MV - 2615
Jordan Geber, FRE - 2612.3
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DanMetroMan : 8/5/2022 9:40 am : link
So..... Nico Hoerner... since last season 133 games 4.2 fWAR? Where was I? lol
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DanMetroMan : 8/5/2022 9:58 am : link
ichael Mayer
@mikemayer22
Mets have signed undrafted Canadian right-hander Mathieu Voros.

Voros is a high schooler that pitched at the TNXL Academy in Florida.

Same academy that Mets 2021 2nd rounder Canadian Calvin Ziegler pitched at.
RE: .  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2022 10:04 am : link
In comment 15772331 DanMetroMan said:
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ichael Mayer
@mikemayer22
Mets have signed undrafted Canadian right-hander Mathieu Voros.

Voros is a high schooler that pitched at the TNXL Academy in Florida.

Same academy that Mets 2021 2nd rounder Canadian Calvin Ziegler pitched at.


6'5 225, as expected given the fact he went undrafted, velocity lags behind (as of now) 86-88 as of February
Paul  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2022 10:13 am : link
Gervase added to the FCL Mets
good, load up on these undrafted pitchers  
KDavies : 8/5/2022 10:19 am : link
with the shortened draft you never know when some may hit.

Baty needs to be called up yesterday.
RE: good, load up on these undrafted pitchers  
KDavies : 8/5/2022 10:20 am : link
In comment 15772351 KDavies said:
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with the shortened draft you never know when some may hit.

Baty needs to be called up yesterday.


Baty to AAA, to clarify
Missed  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2022 10:24 am : link
it but the Mets released Austin Faith, he was an interesting UDFA from 2020
just putting this in here...  
pjcas18 : 8/5/2022 10:29 am : link
even though it's a minors thread

Michael Mayer
@mikemayer22
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1h
Edwin Díaz ranks among MLB relievers:

1st - 2.2 fWAR
1st - 17.93 K/9
1st - 52.1 K%
1st - 0.92 FIP
1st - 44.9 K-BB%
Best  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2022 10:31 am : link
closer in baseball. Will be the highest closer in baseball history after this season.
Had  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2022 10:32 am : link
Diaz blown it in the 8th, the fact the DJ/PA team delayed/forgot to play Diaz's music and Diaz flat out admitting it threw him off a bit... would have been a LOLMets story. I can't imagine that happens again lol
RE: Best  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2022 10:32 am : link
In comment 15772373 DanMetroMan said:
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closer in baseball. Will be the highest closer in baseball history after this season.


*highest paid
Top 20 Mets prospects  
Archer : 8/5/2022 10:37 am : link
Nice review of the Mets minors by SNY
Do you agree with the assessments ?
Link - ( New Window )
Diaz is the most dominant closer I've seen since  
KDavies : 8/5/2022 10:40 am : link
Rivera.
This  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2022 10:43 am : link
is Joe DeMayo's personal list more than "SNY's". I've known Joe personally for almost 20 years now, we briefly started a blog together. That's not a knock on Joe or his list, I'm just pointing out he's a blogger/fan trying to (successfully might I might add) get into sports media. As for his list, it's as good as any. Nothing I strongly disagree with
Highest  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2022 10:44 am : link
AAV ever for a closer is 17.2 million, biggest outlay was 86 million. Diaz should pretty easily eclipse the AAV and likely the outlay as well. 5 for 100 would not shock me at this point.
RE: Top 20 Mets prospects  
KDavies : 8/5/2022 10:51 am : link
In comment 15772387 Archer said:
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Nice review of the Mets minors by SNY
Do you agree with the assessments ? Link - ( New Window )


That was a very well done top 20. Not much to quibble with IMO. I would put Jett above Allan, but that's just a guessing game.

I like the Morabito comps to Merrifield. Would love a similar player
RE: just putting this in here...  
Eric on Li : 8/5/2022 10:51 am : link
In comment 15772371 pjcas18 said:
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even though it's a minors thread

Michael Mayer
@mikemayer22
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1h
Edwin Díaz ranks among MLB relievers:

1st - 2.2 fWAR
1st - 17.93 K/9
1st - 52.1 K%
1st - 0.92 FIP
1st - 44.9 K-BB%


When we traded for him I remember a lot of comments that he basically had to be Mariano (which is obviously an insanely high bar) and this year he has been that good and probably even more dominating. I was pessimistic even through last year but very happy to have been wrong. He not only deserves CY votes but if he keeps it up he may deserve to win.
RE: RE: Top 20 Mets prospects  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2022 10:54 am : link
In comment 15772411 KDavies said:
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In comment 15772387 Archer said:


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Nice review of the Mets minors by SNY
Do you agree with the assessments ? Link - ( New Window )



That was a very well done top 20. Not much to quibble with IMO. I would put Jett above Allan, but that's just a guessing game.

I like the Morabito comps to Merrifield. Would love a similar player


It’s obviously an inexact science but it’ll be fascinating to follow him. Law called him a “gut feel” prospect he really like, Longenhagen didn’t like the pick so that will be “fun” to follow
I agree  
pjcas18 : 8/5/2022 10:57 am : link
I have rarely seen a closer this dominant and consistently dialed in as Diaz.

but part of that is recency theory. What made Mariano so legendary wasn't one season, it was his consistency to be that dominant for multiple seasons.

That said, I cringe at the fly-by-night posters who come by and post "now all those people who criticized Diaz or the trade look stupid"

no, I for one don't pretend 2019 didn't happen.

Diaz deserved every bit of criticism he got as did BVW.

Diaz in 2019 was one of the worst closers in the game.

And what was frustrating was it didn't appear to be his stuff, it appeared to be mental which didn't bode well for NY.

As a fan I could not be happier that he seems to have straightened out the issue and is now treating the fans and his teammates to a dominant season. I hope it continues and he shines on the big stage. Mets have seen great regular season performances from bullpen pieces wrecked with mediocre (or worse) post-seasons.

And I hope Diaz is now on track to maintain this level consistently.

But 2019 still happened, and I see no reason to erase it even as we move forward.

RE: RE: RE: Top 20 Mets prospects  
KDavies : 8/5/2022 11:02 am : link
In comment 15772418 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15772411 KDavies said:


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In comment 15772387 Archer said:


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Nice review of the Mets minors by SNY
Do you agree with the assessments ? Link - ( New Window )



That was a very well done top 20. Not much to quibble with IMO. I would put Jett above Allan, but that's just a guessing game.

I like the Morabito comps to Merrifield. Would love a similar player



It’s obviously an inexact science but it’ll be fascinating to follow him. Law called him a “gut feel” prospect he really like, Longenhagen didn’t like the pick so that will be “fun” to follow


A lot to like there. From a baseball family. Good hit tool, plus power, plus speed. Not worried about the arm. Put him at 2B or CF.
He’s  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2022 11:05 am : link
Going to begin his career in CF per Tanous. None of the HS picks have been assigned yet and only 2 total.
I think buck has helped settle the entire BP  
Eric on Li : 8/5/2022 11:05 am : link
I haven’t loved his pinch hitting approach but his Bp utilization has been the best I’ve ever seen from a manager. Even with a thin pen he hasn’t run guys into the ground and we’ve had far less games where going in we knew certain guys were already gassed. If anything it’s been the opposite where we have had a lot of guys really well rested who need to get in certain games (Diaz included at times).

Also agree re Mariano, there were always guys like Gagne who had flash seasons on his level but the consistency with him was the key especially post season. where we go this year is very much on Diaz shoulders.

Also re the trade, the prospect side of the deal certainly looks better now but we are also still counting cano at 20m this year and next against lux tax. That was an obvious risk at the time of the deal and his performance year 1 made it a practical guarantee that we’d end up here (ped burst notwithstanding).
PED’s  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2022 11:10 am : link
Or not but Gagne was absurd during his run. Truly
Buck  
five5 : 8/5/2022 11:21 am : link
I think overall he has done a nice job with the pen. I am not saying this caused Drew Smith's injury but he did have him throw over 30 pitches in consecutive outings earlier in the season and he struggled right after that.
RE: Buck  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2022 11:35 am : link
In comment 15772443 five5 said:
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I think overall he has done a nice job with the pen. I am not saying this caused Drew Smith's injury but he did have him throw over 30 pitches in consecutive outings earlier in the season and he struggled right after that.


In fairness, Smith has had trouble staying healthy his entire career. An underrated part of being a good RP is being able to put up a consistent 50-60 innings for a 4-5 year run. Easier said that done
Schwartz  
GF1080 : 8/5/2022 11:38 am : link
Schwartz was placed on the injured list yesterday.

Hopefully Parada plays for St Lucie this weekend or next week.

Anything on Fanas who has disappeared?
RE: Schwartz  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2022 11:46 am : link
In comment 15772457 GF1080 said:
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Schwartz was placed on the injured list yesterday.

Hopefully Parada plays for St Lucie this weekend or next week.

Anything on Fanas who has disappeared?


No update on Fanas (pretty sure he’s hurt), Schwartz is a NP for me. Absolutely zero power (113 games .354
Slugging for a 1B in a-ball at soon to be 23?)

So far only Vermillion and Gervase have been rostered and neither is expected to throw much this year
RE: He’s  
Shecky : 8/5/2022 11:46 am : link
In comment 15772428 DanMetroMan said:
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Going to begin his career in CF per Tanous. None of the HS picks have been assigned yet and only 2 total.

quick 'academy', measurements, instructs, placed, then develop
RE: Buck  
Snablats : 8/5/2022 12:00 pm : link
In comment 15772443 five5 said:
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I think overall he has done a nice job with the pen. I am not saying this caused Drew Smith's injury but he did have him throw over 30 pitches in consecutive outings earlier in the season and he struggled right after that.

Smith had 3 days between those 30-pitch outings, then 4 more days after the last one. He then had 2 short perfect outings after that. THEN he started giving up HRs
Looking back at the trade deadline  
Vanzetti : 8/5/2022 12:21 pm : link
Last year, prices really fell as the deadline approached as teams looked to move guys. Giants got Kris Bryant for very little only 20 minutes before the deadline.

This year it seems to me prices rose as the deadline approached. If the info is correct, the same Cubs team that jettisoned their former MVP turned down Mauricio for Contreras.

Also, getting Vogelbach for Holderman seems like a very good move when you look at what they paid for a 36 year old Darin Ruf. I've seen Ruf a lot and I like him. But Vogelbach is way better imo and 7 years younger and signed for less!

So I think signing Vogel early really paid off.

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DanMetroMan : 8/5/2022 12:22 pm : link
Yikes.... looks like the DSL might have a COVID issue going on. @mets have been canceled due to COVID and multiple other games are now listed as "suspended" #Mets
RE: RE: Buck  
Vanzetti : 8/5/2022 12:31 pm : link
In comment 15772482 Snablats said:
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In comment 15772443 five5 said:


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I think overall he has done a nice job with the pen. I am not saying this caused Drew Smith's injury but he did have him throw over 30 pitches in consecutive outings earlier in the season and he struggled right after that.


Smith had 3 days between those 30-pitch outings, then 4 more days after the last one. He then had 2 short perfect outings after that. THEN he started giving up HRs



Smith will never be reliable until he stops regularly hanging sliders and that's going to be hard to do because the slider is his out pitch. He compounds the problem by losing his release point and walking guys

He and Nogosek have been given many opportunities to prove themselves and they just have not done it. Time to move on
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DanMetroMan : 8/5/2022 12:44 pm : link
Manny Rodriguez debut as a pitcher didn't go so well, .2 innings 3 hits 2 runs 2 walks 0 k's
RE: RE: RE: Buck  
Snablats : 8/5/2022 12:50 pm : link
In comment 15772498 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 15772482 Snablats said:


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In comment 15772443 five5 said:


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I think overall he has done a nice job with the pen. I am not saying this caused Drew Smith's injury but he did have him throw over 30 pitches in consecutive outings earlier in the season and he struggled right after that.


Smith had 3 days between those 30-pitch outings, then 4 more days after the last one. He then had 2 short perfect outings after that. THEN he started giving up HRs




Smith will never be reliable until he stops regularly hanging sliders and that's going to be hard to do because the slider is his out pitch. He compounds the problem by losing his release point and walking guys

He and Nogosek have been given many opportunities to prove themselves and they just have not done it. Time to move on

Exactly. They are the last two of Alderson's 10 reliever acquisitions at the 2017 deadline. All 10 failed
Drew smith  
sshin05 : 8/5/2022 1:20 pm : link
has had months of success so not ready to give up on yet. Only 28 and 2 more years of service time.
RE: Drew smith  
KDavies : 8/5/2022 1:38 pm : link
In comment 15772534 sshin05 said:
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has had months of success so not ready to give up on yet. Only 28 and 2 more years of service time.


Yeah, I agree. He had a 2.40 ERA last year and a 3.51 ERA this year. I don't get the hate on him. Is he an 8th inning guy? Doubtful. But he can still be a decent bullpen arm.
Awful  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2022 1:41 pm : link
showing by the FCL Mets so far today

Yikes. 4 innings 0 hits 0 walks 8 k's, 2 groundouts
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DanMetroMan : 8/5/2022 1:54 pm : link
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Daniel Wexler
@WexlerRules
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Jul 25
Campos leads the organization in BA, OPS, wRC+, slugging, ISO, wOBA, 2nd in OBP. I fully get he's 21 in the DSL but how about a reward promotion? #Mets



Cut to today....

No-hitter broken up... HR... by who else Dyron Campos making his stateside debut #Mets
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DanMetroMan : 8/5/2022 2:01 pm : link
***2022 draft pick debut*** @PaulGervase1 struck out the first hitter to face him as a professional #Mets
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DanMetroMan : 8/5/2022 2:04 pm : link
@PaulGervase1 1 perfect 2 k's. Gervase was @mets 12th round pick this year #Mets
RE: I agree  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/5/2022 2:10 pm : link
In comment 15772419 pjcas18 said:
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I have rarely seen a closer this dominant and consistently dialed in as Diaz.

but part of that is recency theory. What made Mariano so legendary wasn't one season, it was his consistency to be that dominant for multiple seasons.

That said, I cringe at the fly-by-night posters who come by and post "now all those people who criticized Diaz or the trade look stupid"

no, I for one don't pretend 2019 didn't happen.

Diaz deserved every bit of criticism he got as did BVW.

Diaz in 2019 was one of the worst closers in the game.

And what was frustrating was it didn't appear to be his stuff, it appeared to be mental which didn't bode well for NY.

As a fan I could not be happier that he seems to have straightened out the issue and is now treating the fans and his teammates to a dominant season. I hope it continues and he shines on the big stage. Mets have seen great regular season performances from bullpen pieces wrecked with mediocre (or worse) post-seasons.

And I hope Diaz is now on track to maintain this level consistently.

But 2019 still happened, and I see no reason to erase it even as we move forward.


Circling back to Diaz,

It would be unfair and unreasonable to expect what he's doing now is the standard. He will get paid because of this season because that's what happens when guys hit highs like this in walk years, but he's putting up historically high strikeout numbers that I can't expect would continue.
RE: .  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2022 2:30 pm : link
In comment 15772550 DanMetroMan said:
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Daniel Wexler
@WexlerRules
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Jul 25
Campos leads the organization in BA, OPS, wRC+, slugging, ISO, wOBA, 2nd in OBP. I fully get he's 21 in the DSL but how about a reward promotion? #Mets




Cut to today....

No-hitter broken up... HR... by who else Dyron Campos making his stateside debut #Mets



Dyron Campos FCL debut.....2-3, 2 HR's including... a grand slam to give the FCL Mets a 6-5 lead.
Kramer Robertson  
KDavies : 8/5/2022 2:53 pm : link
claimed by the Cardinals
Baty  
DanMetroMan : 8/5/2022 3:19 pm : link
EL player of the month for July
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DanMetroMan : 8/5/2022 3:54 pm : link
@mets 1B/OF Karell Paz has been suspended 60 games for PED’s. He was just promoted to @stluciemets this week #Mets.
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