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NFT: The Captain Doc episodes 5 & 6

JoeyBigBlue : 8/5/2022 9:31 am
Did anyone see the two episodes yesterday? They were both excellent. Jeter showed more personality in these two episodes then he did in his 20 years in the Bronx. Thoughts.
I did not. I saw the first 3  
Tuckrule : 8/5/2022 10:09 am : link
And he’s manufacturing adversity. It’s quite comical. I’m a Yankee die hard fan Season ticket holder since 2005. This documentary is a fluff piece. He basically saw Jordan’s last dance and said I want one of those.
RE: I did not. I saw the first 3  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/5/2022 10:33 am : link
In comment 15772342 Tuckrule said:
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And he’s manufacturing adversity. It’s quite comical. I’m a Yankee die hard fan Season ticket holder since 2005. This documentary is a fluff piece. He basically saw Jordan’s last dance and said I want one of those.


And Jordan’s last dance wasn’t a fluff piece? While I agree that the ARod feud felt contrived, these weeks episodes really went into Derek’s relationship with the media, the gift baskets rumors, and about race. It’s really good and should be watched.
Interesting revelation that he hurt his foot  
bceagle05 : 8/5/2022 10:58 am : link
jumping into the celebration at home plate after the "Mr. November" homerun and played the rest of the series hurt - may have prevented him from grabbing Mo's errant throw in the ninth inning of game 7. That game is still painful as a Yankee fan even after all the winning that preceded it.
it is still painful, yes  
Greg from LI : 8/5/2022 11:16 am : link
Mainly because Mo blew the save. His failures were so exceptionally rare, only allowed 13 runs in 141 postseason innings, but some of them were in incredibly crucial games:

-The Sandy Alomar homer in 1997 in Game 4 against the Indians, game would have clinched the series.

-The aforementioned Game 7 in 2001

-The blown save in Game 4 in 2004, would have swept the Sox.
RE: Interesting revelation that he hurt his foot  
Essex : 8/5/2022 11:17 am : link
In comment 15772420 bceagle05 said:
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jumping into the celebration at home plate after the "Mr. November" homerun and played the rest of the series hurt - may have prevented him from grabbing Mo's errant throw in the ninth inning of game 7. That game is still painful as a Yankee fan even after all the winning that preceded it.

I only saw up to last weeks end and they did not go over the injury. Torre talks about it in great detail in his book with Verducci and questions whether he should have taken him out for a defensive replacement. Probably an unfair second guess and you dont think that kind of play will get you, but it has been out there.

The Jordan documentary was not so much as good as it was timely. It had the whole countries attention because we were starved for content during the first few months of COVID. Jeter's documentary, which definitely wants to elevate him in to the category of Brady and Jordan, at least in terms of winning, is similar but the country is not captivated by it because we all have much going on in our lives again. What I would say to Jeter's central point of the first four episodes was that he keeps harping on the winning and how second is not good enough. I have no doubt that he is that competitive (many athletes are), but Jeter was not Jordan or Brady in that he could will his team to win. Derek Jeter was a great player on a great team. But, the truth is that they did not win a WS in 14 of his last 15 years, not because Derek Jeter became less of a winner, but because the teams were not as good. There is nothing wrong with that, but I think Jordan and Brady who control the games in their respective sports have much more of a say in the final outcome than one baseball player, so I think the central theme is a bit off.
RE: it is still painful, yes  
Essex : 8/5/2022 11:24 am : link
In comment 15772436 Greg from LI said:
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Mainly because Mo blew the save. His failures were so exceptionally rare, only allowed 13 runs in 141 postseason innings, but some of them were in incredibly crucial games:

-The Sandy Alomar homer in 1997 in Game 4 against the Indians, game would have clinched the series.

-The aforementioned Game 7 in 2001

-The blown save in Game 4 in 2004, would have swept the Sox.

I know Game 4 in 2004 is technically a blow save, but they stole that run that inning. All three blown saves are weird because the Alomar home run was an opposite field home run where he just basically got barrel on the ball and it went the other way and the Game 7 in 2001 was a lot of funky stuff going o, .including the pop out that was the game winning hit but our IF was in.
yes, they did steal the run  
Greg from LI : 8/5/2022 11:44 am : link
But if he doesn't walk Millar to lead off the inning, they probably don't. None of those pitches were even close either.
Mo only walked 21 guys in those 141 playoff innings, too.

To his credit, he did a fantastic job to keep the game tied after that. Clark's error on Damon's dribbler had runners on the corners with one out.
RE: yes, they did steal the run  
Essex : 8/5/2022 11:47 am : link
In comment 15772465 Greg from LI said:
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But if he doesn't walk Millar to lead off the inning, they probably don't. None of those pitches were even close either.
Mo only walked 21 guys in those 141 playoff innings, too.

To his credit, he did a fantastic job to keep the game tied after that. Clark's error on Damon's dribbler had runners on the corners with one out.

And the next day Tony Clark had a double over the line that would have scored someone (i forget was it Sheffield?) but it went over that stupid little wall in right field.
yep, that damned ground rule double  
Greg from LI : 8/5/2022 11:53 am : link
Sierra would have scored, Yanks would take the lead, and Mo pitches the ninth. Can't believe he would have surrendered the lead in consecutive games. Alas.....

And even before that, they had Cairo on third with one out and couldn't get him home against suckass geezer Timlin.
god that still pisses me off 18 years later  
Greg from LI : 8/5/2022 11:55 am : link
Ball wouldn't have been in the stands in just about any other park. And the rule is stupid anyway - Sierra was rounding third as it left the field. He would have had to break his ankle on the way home to not score.
RE: it is still painful, yes  
k2tampa : 8/5/2022 12:06 pm : link
In comment 15772436 Greg from LI said:
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Mainly because Mo blew the save. His failures were so exceptionally rare, only allowed 13 runs in 141 postseason innings, but some of them were in incredibly crucial games:

-The Sandy Alomar homer in 1997 in Game 4 against the Indians, game would have clinched the series.

-The aforementioned Game 7 in 2001

-The blown save in Game 4 in 2004, would have swept the Sox.


At the time, and ever since, I've always looked at that 2001 game with a different perspective. With one out, and with Mo's ability to not only K lefties but to get ground balls on broken bats, I've always thought they should have played for a strikeout or double play. If they do, Jeter catches that flair (it hit one foot on the outfield grass) and then there are 2 outs.
Will watch this weekend.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/5/2022 12:38 pm : link
I watched the first 4. I enjoyed them; not a huge baseball guy, but I find it entertaining.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/5/2022 7:03 pm : link
Just watched episode 5. I gotta admit...not a huge fan of A-Rod, but the man is very self conscious, & I mean that in a good way. He knows how people perceive him.
In regard to Episode 6, which I just watched  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 8/6/2022 8:46 am : link
When they talk about Jeter's contract negotiations going public, Hal and Cashman kind of dance around how details of the negotiations ended up in the papers - Hal in fact saying he was disappointed.

Is the insinuation that Cash leaked the negotiations?
RE: In regard to Episode 6, which I just watched  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/6/2022 9:34 am : link
In comment 15773103 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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When they talk about Jeter's contract negotiations going public, Hal and Cashman kind of dance around how details of the negotiations ended up in the papers - Hal in fact saying he was disappointed.

Is the insinuation that Cash leaked the negotiations?


I’m sure it was Cashman. He was in a tough spot as Jeter wanted close to 25 mill a year, and his play was declining. I’m sure making negotiations public worked to his advantage.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11:34 am : link
Caught up this morning. A couple of points-

1) Jeter has no love for Cashman. That is as clear as day. And I have little doubt Cashman/his people leaked the negotiations to the press.

2) That Matthews guy calling Jeter 'colorless' or something...Good Lord dude. Maybe take a breather.

3) Hannah Davis-who, BTW, is VERY easy on the eyes-was really good. The story with her Mom telling Jeter-I'm presuming it was him-how hard it was for Hannah to find a date was hilarious.
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