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NFT: Report: Knicks/Jazz/Laker framework-interest in M. Beasley

DanMetroMan : 8/5/2022 9:53 am
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The proposed three-team trade scenario included Westbrook going to Utah and getting bought out. Utah would send Donovan Mitchell to the Knicks, a combination of two players, including Patrick Beverley and Jordan Clarkson, Bojan Bogdanovic or Malik Beasley to the Lakers, and the Jazz would receive significant draft pick compensation from the Knicks and Lakers. The Knicks also would’ve had to part with veteran salary filler(s), such as Derrick Rose to help make the salaries work.

The Lakers also have had interest in trading for Knicks forward Cam Reddish, who could also become part of a trade. Last season, the Lakers nearly acquired Reddish as part of a blockbuster three-team trade talks between the Lakers, Knicks and Raptors at the time.

Another potential plot twist to monitor is whether the Knicks would have interest in acquiring Beasley. The Knicks previously expressed interest in signing Beasley when he was a restricted free agent, and former Timberwolves executive Gersson Rosas, who signed Beasley to a four-year, $60 million deal in Minnesota, is now working for the Knicks as a senior basketball advisor.

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once Pat Bev is able to be moved  
Enzo : 8/5/2022 10:04 am : link
something like this works under the cap:
Knicks get Mitchell
Utah gets Russ
Lakers get Randle (or Fournier), Beverly, and Reddish.

then of course you have to add in the picks and/or young players from the Knicks and Lakers.

Sign me up!  
Stu11 : 8/5/2022 10:04 am : link
Or as Kramer would say:
Giddy up!
Fuck the lakers  
GNewGiants : 8/5/2022 10:06 am : link
No team should bail them out.

this also more or less  
Enzo : 8/5/2022 10:09 am : link
works for cap purposes:

Knicks get Mitchell
Jazz get Russ and Fournier
Lakers get Clarkson, Beasley, and Reddish
So in this scenario  
BigBlueShock : 8/5/2022 10:21 am : link
The Knicks wouldn’t be giving up any young players? Just picks and veteran cap filler? I find that highly unlikely, but where do I sign?
I feel the same way  
Jan in DC : 8/5/2022 10:21 am : link
about the Lakers. They messed up by trading for Russ. Everyone knows it was stupid. Whether the GM got strongarmed by Lebron or not, it was an awful fit from the start.

If they are getting bailed out, they better be giving up some of the draft capital in this deal. It's obvious that Ainge wants more than what's on the table from the Knicks, so if he can figure out another team to fleece in the deal while we don't up our offer, I'd be happy with that.
it's been said a million times  
Enzo : 8/5/2022 10:24 am : link
but the Knicks can't get too reckless with multiple unprotected picks. Getting Mitchell obviously makes us better - but it's not like we're instantly a super team.
i dont like the lakers...  
Italianju : 8/5/2022 10:28 am : link
but if this trade means we can send less back then im fine with it. Personally i dont really like trading Rose, he was so good off the bench 2 years ago. I guess if the trade allows you to keep IQ then i get it since you want to give IQ minutes, but still.

I will say if the lakers somehow turned the mess that is russ into some combo of Randle, Fournier, Rose, Bogdanovic, Clarkson, and Pbev they did quite well. That team needs depth more then another superstar (not that this version of russ is anywhere near a superstar)
RE: this also more or less  
Anakim : 8/5/2022 10:28 am : link
In comment 15772341 Enzo said:
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works for cap purposes:

Knicks get Mitchell
Jazz get Russ and Fournier
Lakers get Clarkson, Beasley, and Reddish


Why would the Jazz do that?
RE: RE: this also more or less  
NYG22 : 8/5/2022 10:32 am : link
In comment 15772366 Anakim said:
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works for cap purposes:

Knicks get Mitchell
Jazz get Russ and Fournier
Lakers get Clarkson, Beasley, and Reddish



Why would the Jazz do that?


They'd cut Westbrook of course.

They'd do it for two reasons:

1 tank for the Frenchman
2 tons of young assets from NYK and LAL
RE: i dont like the lakers...  
Enzo : 8/5/2022 10:37 am : link
In comment 15772365 Italianju said:
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but if this trade means we can send less back then im fine with it. Personally i dont really like trading Rose, he was so good off the bench 2 years ago. I guess if the trade allows you to keep IQ then i get it since you want to give IQ minutes, but still.

I will say if the lakers somehow turned the mess that is russ into some combo of Randle, Fournier, Rose, Bogdanovic, Clarkson, and Pbev they did quite well. That team needs depth more then another superstar (not that this version of russ is anywhere near a superstar)

there was a report that the Knicks really want to hang onto Rose. He's another one of those guys who goes way back with Leon, Wes, etc.
RE: RE: this also more or less  
Enzo : 8/5/2022 10:39 am : link
In comment 15772366 Anakim said:
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works for cap purposes:

Knicks get Mitchell
Jazz get Russ and Fournier
Lakers get Clarkson, Beasley, and Reddish



Why would the Jazz do that?

that's just the foundation of the deal for cap purposes. The picks and other young players (Obi, IQ, Grimes) is the tough part that they need to haggle over.
I've randomly wanted Malik Beasley on the Knicks  
bceagle05 : 8/5/2022 10:46 am : link
for several years now, though he obviously would come with baggage. He'd be a nice option at the back-up 2 if Grimes/IQ were traded.
Now this makes more sense than the Lakers taking on Randle  
Strahan91 : 8/5/2022 11:02 am : link
and Fournier. Taking on those two deals + trading a 1st would be quite a gamble in the case that LeBron leaves. I think they want the future flexibility in case they need to find a new running mate for AD.
I might be in the minority but  
Carl in CT : 8/5/2022 11:03 am : link
Im calling OKC. Offering same package for SGA. (Him and Mitchell even? Thoughts?) Presti loves picks and I get something done with him. Fuck the Lakers and really fuck AINGE!!!!
RE: I might be in the minority but  
Strahan91 : 8/5/2022 11:37 am : link
In comment 15772426 Carl in CT said:
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Im calling OKC. Offering same package for SGA. (Him and Mitchell even? Thoughts?) Presti loves picks and I get something done with him. Fuck the Lakers and really fuck AINGE!!!!

I'm sure they've checked in on SGA given the Kentucky connection but I highly doubt the Thunder would move him. They have a nice young core now and he's a great fit with Giddey, Chet, etc. They have a ton of picks already in the coffers and won't be able to use them all.

As far as who's better, I'd rather have Mitchell personally because I think he's the more impactful player for a team that needs an elite iso scorer as the #1 option. SGA has more two-way potential given his size but he's not as good of a perimeter defender as one would think right now (still better than Mitchell though).
3 way trades are very difficult to pull off  
GFAN52 : 8/5/2022 12:06 pm : link
I don't see it happening.
Sign me up!!  
larryflower37 : 8/5/2022 12:14 pm : link
3 way deal in which Knicks only give up picks and cap filler I am in.
This should be the dream scenario for any Knicks fan, it gives the Knicks the freedom to shop players to get back draft capital and/or another star.
Make this happen.
Seems a little too good  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/5/2022 12:36 pm : link
IMO.
RE: 3 way trades are very difficult to pull off  
Stu11 : 8/5/2022 12:41 pm : link
In comment 15772486 GFAN52 said:
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I don't see it happening.

True. They do happen though. Frankly the Knicks don't need a 3rd team, it would just benefit the Knicks to have a 3rd team in there to mitigate the assets they'd have to give up.
RE: RE: 3 way trades are very difficult to pull off  
Strahan91 : 8/5/2022 12:53 pm : link
In comment 15772508 Stu11 said:
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I don't see it happening.


True. They do happen though. Frankly the Knicks don't need a 3rd team, it would just benefit the Knicks to have a 3rd team in there to mitigate the assets they'd have to give up.

I'm not sure it would mitigate the assets the Knicks have to deal though. LA has held firm on only trading 1 first round pick to move off Westbrook and I bet Utah could get a first for either Clarkson or Bojan (possibly Beverly and/or Beasley too but less sure on those guys) so I don't think it's going to reduce the ask from the Knicks.
A graphic of the deal that was speculated...  
bceagle05 : 8/5/2022 2:39 pm : link
Not sure how realistic it is to keep all the young guys except Cam  
bceagle05 : 8/5/2022 2:42 pm : link
but that would leave us with:

Brunson/IQ/McBride
Mitchell/Grimes
RJ/Beasley
Randle/Toppin
Robinson/Hartenstein/Sims

No title contender, but that's a good basketball team if Randle is engaged.
Not surprising if the Lakers want to get involved  
nygiants16 : 8/5/2022 2:44 pm : link
interesting that Beasley's name came up, would make sense why they decided to revisit in spetember, then beasley can be added to deal..
RE: Not sure how realistic it is to keep all the young guys except Cam  
Enzo : 8/5/2022 3:08 pm : link
In comment 15772596 bceagle05 said:
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but that would leave us with:

Brunson/IQ/McBride
Mitchell/Grimes
RJ/Beasley
Randle/Toppin
Robinson/Hartenstein/Sims

No title contender, but that's a good basketball team if Randle is engaged.

yeah - it's not realistic. But adding a guy like IQ or Grimes to the deal won't really affect the mechanics of the trade cap wise.
I find it hard to believe  
Kmed6000 : 8/5/2022 3:23 pm : link
that the Knicks would only be including Cam Reddish and cap fillers to get Mitchell. If Rose does pull that off, that'd be special(assuming its not 4/5 unprotected picks).
BC I'd assume such a deal would only include 1 FRP from LA.  
Strahan91 : 8/5/2022 3:38 pm : link
They've been unwilling to offer both their 1sts in any deal including BK with Kyrie and Indy with Turner + Hield
Mitchell the Latest Savior  
Jeffrey : 8/5/2022 4:19 pm : link
I want the Knicks to hold onto their young players, particularly Barrett, Sims, Quickly, McBride and Grimes. I want them to hold onto the unprotected 1st round draft choices. Having two very small (by NBA standards) guards on the floor is not going to help the defense at all. This team is cursed by all the stop/starts in terms of their approach to rebuilding. If veterans have to go send Randle or Fournier. If young players have to go send Reddish or perhaps Toppin (though I still have hope for him if he can develop an outside shot).
Anyone watching the 94' Knicks vs. Bulls  
larryflower37 : 8/5/2022 5:48 pm : link
Game 7 on NBA TV ?
That is the championship that got away.
That Knicks team was fun to watch.
RE: Anyone watching the 94' Knicks vs. Bulls  
Mike from SI : 8/5/2022 6:22 pm : link
In comment 15772704 larryflower37 said:
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Game 7 on NBA TV ?
That is the championship that got away.
That Knicks team was fun to watch.


I still think the championship that got away was the year of the Heat brawl -- I think '97? I thought that was our best chance to beat the Bulls. Oh well.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/5/2022 6:28 pm : link
The '92-'93 Knicks was the best Knicks team of that era. Up 2-0 & to blow it to Jordan & the Bulls. A lot of people forget, but Jordan couldn't hit a shot into the ocean in Game 3. Pippen killed us that afternoon. Once we lost Game 5, I knew it was over.

The '96-'97 team was good, but I don't think we beat MJ & Chicago in the ECF. We split the regular season series, but come '96-'98...I never would have bet against MJ. I remember people taking Utah over Chicago in the '98 Finals & thinking, 'As long as Jordan is on the court, he'll will that team to the title if need be.'
Am I off in thinking that trade like these are either  
CooperDash : 8/5/2022 7:04 pm : link
heavy on players OR picks…but generally not both? I mean, when the Knicks traded for Carmelo Anthony. The Knicks sent Denver a bunch of players and ONE first round pick (along with two second rounders. And Denver also sent the Knicks four other players.

Six or seven first round picks for one player should be enough to close that deal. That is a lot of draft capital to include. I understand we need to include other players for cap purposes but you have to think that Ainge is just being greedy.

That idiotic deal for Rudy Gobert really screwed up the trade marker with probably the worst possible person in Ainge.
RE: Am I off in thinking that trade like these are either  
Jim in Fairfax : 8/5/2022 7:08 pm : link
In comment 15772770 CooperDash said:
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heavy on players OR picks…but generally not both? I mean, when the Knicks traded for Carmelo Anthony. The Knicks sent Denver a bunch of players and ONE first round pick (along with two second rounders. And Denver also sent the Knicks four other players.

Six or seven first round picks for one player should be enough to close that deal. That is a lot of draft capital to include. I understand we need to include other players for cap purposes but you have to think that Ainge is just being greedy.

That idiotic deal for Rudy Gobert really screwed up the trade marker with probably the worst possible person in Ainge.

1) Carmelo was a pending free agent, which lowered the price.
2) Times have changed. Prices are higher.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/5/2022 7:10 pm : link
No doubt I think Ainge got a trading high from the Goebert deal.
RE: RE: Am I off in thinking that trade like these are either  
CooperDash : 8/5/2022 7:24 pm : link
In comment 15772773 Jim in Fairfax said:
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heavy on players OR picks…but generally not both? I mean, when the Knicks traded for Carmelo Anthony. The Knicks sent Denver a bunch of players and ONE first round pick (along with two second rounders. And Denver also sent the Knicks four other players.

Six or seven first round picks for one player should be enough to close that deal. That is a lot of draft capital to include. I understand we need to include other players for cap purposes but you have to think that Ainge is just being greedy.

That idiotic deal for Rudy Gobert really screwed up the trade marker with probably the worst possible person in Ainge.


1) Carmelo was a pending free agent, which lowered the price.
2) Times have changed. Prices are higher.


Forgot about the pending free agent part, lol. That’s a biggie.
RE: ...  
Mike from SI : 8/5/2022 7:37 pm : link
In comment 15772776 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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No doubt I think Ainge got a trading high from the Goebert deal.


Trades set markets, unfortunately, until the next trade happens. Minnesota unintentionally f***ed us. Enjoy KAT and Gobert on the court at the same time....
RE: Am I off in thinking that trade like these are either  
Strahan91 : 8/5/2022 8:35 pm : link
In comment 15772770 CooperDash said:
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heavy on players OR picks…but generally not both? I mean, when the Knicks traded for Carmelo Anthony. The Knicks sent Denver a bunch of players and ONE first round pick (along with two second rounders. And Denver also sent the Knicks four other players.


A lot of the recent comparable deals included both young players and picks: AD, Paul George, 1st Harden deal etc
What purpose do the Lakers have  
Giants73 : 8/6/2022 2:05 am : link
In this trade. They get to dump Westbrook and actually get something in return. They are adding zero value except it is the Lakers and the league is looking for some way to appease Lebron.

They still owe picks to the Pelicans, what picks do they have to add to the mix, one first round pick?
Grimes or No Grimes  
Kmed6000 : 8/6/2022 9:48 am : link
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Trade talks between the New York Knicks and Utah Jazz have gotten ... Grime-y.

Per Tony Jones of The Athletic, the Knicks are doing their utmost to keep Quentin Grimes out of any deal that would send Utah star Donovan Mitchell back to his home state. They've reportedly tried to appease the Jazz's reportedly picky desires with a plethora of primary draft selections but Utah really wants Grimes in Salt Lake City.

"The No. 1 player that the Jazz want in the deal is Quentin Grimes (and) I get the sense that the Jazz are really hesitant to do a deal that doesn't have Quentin Grimes in it," Jones said in an interview with ESPN 700 (KALL). "The one player that (the Knicks) are trying not to put in the deal is Quentin Grimes. They don't want Quentin Grimes in the deal under any circumstance."


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In lieu of Grimes, the Knicks instead appear willing to include another first-round choice, 2020's Obi Toppin, in the deal. While Toppin could perhaps make up for the interior production lost with the rebuilding Jazz's trade of Rudy Gobert, Jones believes that Utah won't budge until it gets Grimes, whom he refers to as a "major sticking point" at this point in the negotiations.

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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/6/2022 9:49 am : link
I like Grimes so I don't want this taken the wrong way...but Quentin Grimes should not be holding up a trade for Donovan Mitchell. He just shouldn't.
Its called negotiating.  
Kmed6000 : 8/6/2022 9:54 am : link
Its all apart of the game. Maybe they get give him and can convince the jazz to take a protected pick instead of non protected.
RE: What purpose do the Lakers have  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/6/2022 10:02 am : link
In comment 15773073 Giants73 said:
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In this trade. They get to dump Westbrook and actually get something in return. They are adding zero value except it is the Lakers and the league is looking for some way to appease Lebron.

They still owe picks to the Pelicans, what picks do they have to add to the mix, one first round pick?


Their 2027 and 2029 first round picks when they might be a mess (certainly won’t have LeBron) are VERY valuable. But it’s not as if they’d be getting KD in return. They’ll be getting headcase Kyrie, mediocre Julius Randle, solid but limited Jazz role players, or young but limited Pacer role players.
RE: ...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/6/2022 10:02 am : link
In comment 15773168 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I like Grimes so I don't want this taken the wrong way...but Quentin Grimes should not be holding up a trade for Donovan Mitchell. He just shouldn't.


Exactly.
Don’t understand the desire for Grimes over Toppin  
Chris L. : 8/6/2022 10:06 am : link
I like Grimes but he plays the same position as Mitchell. Plus I love Toppin. Athletes like him are hard to find. In my mind his ceiling is higher than Grimes. Will be really disappointed if he is traded just to keep Grimes
RE: Grimes or No Grimes  
Anakim : 8/6/2022 10:06 am : link
In comment 15773166 Kmed6000 said:
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Trade talks between the New York Knicks and Utah Jazz have gotten ... Grime-y.

Per Tony Jones of The Athletic, the Knicks are doing their utmost to keep Quentin Grimes out of any deal that would send Utah star Donovan Mitchell back to his home state. They've reportedly tried to appease the Jazz's reportedly picky desires with a plethora of primary draft selections but Utah really wants Grimes in Salt Lake City.

"The No. 1 player that the Jazz want in the deal is Quentin Grimes (and) I get the sense that the Jazz are really hesitant to do a deal that doesn't have Quentin Grimes in it," Jones said in an interview with ESPN 700 (KALL). "The one player that (the Knicks) are trying not to put in the deal is Quentin Grimes. They don't want Quentin Grimes in the deal under any circumstance."





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In lieu of Grimes, the Knicks instead appear willing to include another first-round choice, 2020's Obi Toppin, in the deal. While Toppin could perhaps make up for the interior production lost with the rebuilding Jazz's trade of Rudy Gobert, Jones believes that Utah won't budge until it gets Grimes, whom he refers to as a "major sticking point" at this point in the negotiations.

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30 minute podcast episode - haven't heard it - ( New Window )
Also sending out Toppin means  
Chris L. : 8/6/2022 10:07 am : link
More Randle…. Not a fan of that either
RE: Grimes or No Grimes  
Anakim : 8/6/2022 10:10 am : link
In comment 15773166 Kmed6000 said:
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Trade talks between the New York Knicks and Utah Jazz have gotten ... Grime-y.

Per Tony Jones of The Athletic, the Knicks are doing their utmost to keep Quentin Grimes out of any deal that would send Utah star Donovan Mitchell back to his home state. They've reportedly tried to appease the Jazz's reportedly picky desires with a plethora of primary draft selections but Utah really wants Grimes in Salt Lake City.

"The No. 1 player that the Jazz want in the deal is Quentin Grimes (and) I get the sense that the Jazz are really hesitant to do a deal that doesn't have Quentin Grimes in it," Jones said in an interview with ESPN 700 (KALL). "The one player that (the Knicks) are trying not to put in the deal is Quentin Grimes. They don't want Quentin Grimes in the deal under any circumstance."





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In lieu of Grimes, the Knicks instead appear willing to include another first-round choice, 2020's Obi Toppin, in the deal. While Toppin could perhaps make up for the interior production lost with the rebuilding Jazz's trade of Rudy Gobert, Jones believes that Utah won't budge until it gets Grimes, whom he refers to as a "major sticking point" at this point in the negotiations.

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Fine. Obi, Fournier and Grimes for Mitchell. Jazz have enough picks. Fair trade for both sides.
RE: Don’t understand the desire for Grimes over Toppin  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/6/2022 10:14 am : link
In comment 15773183 Chris L. said:
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I like Grimes but he plays the same position as Mitchell. Plus I love Toppin. Athletes like him are hard to find. In my mind his ceiling is higher than Grimes. Will be really disappointed if he is traded just to keep Grimes


I agree although my reasoning is different. I’d rather roll forward with a young player at all 5 positions with Toppin ready to replace Julius Randle if he’s traded. This is better than depending on Julius Randle to rediscover his previous form.

Brunson, Mitchell, RJ, Obi, and Mitch Robinson will all be between 26 and 22 years old when the season begins.
It's a great position to take for the Knicks  
larryflower37 : 8/6/2022 10:43 am : link
They are hyping up the value of Grimes and Danny boy looks like he won the trade if he gets Grimes.
All the while the Knicks can keep other assets.
Grimes might end up being a decent 2 but he will not be Mitchell.
Hold out on Grimes as long as possible and cut into the picks that Ainge wants.
The reports about both sides being stubborn and unwilling  
CooperDash : 8/6/2022 11:03 am : link
to compromise are really annoying. Everything points to the Knicks offering multiple paths and Ainge (of course) unwilling to move off his ridiculous demands.

Will there EVER be a report that favors the Knicks?
RE: The reports about both sides being stubborn and unwilling  
Strahan91 : 8/6/2022 11:15 am : link
In comment 15773212 CooperDash said:
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to compromise are really annoying. Everything points to the Knicks offering multiple paths and Ainge (of course) unwilling to move off his ridiculous demands.

Will there EVER be a report that favors the Knicks?

By all accounts, the current Knicks front office doesn't leak much of anything at all. So a lot of the leaks are likely coming from the Utah side hence why they're favorable towards them
RE: RE: The reports about both sides being stubborn and unwilling  
CooperDash : 8/6/2022 11:16 am : link
In comment 15773216 Strahan91 said:
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to compromise are really annoying. Everything points to the Knicks offering multiple paths and Ainge (of course) unwilling to move off his ridiculous demands.

Will there EVER be a report that favors the Knicks?


By all accounts, the current Knicks front office doesn't leak much of anything at all. So a lot of the leaks are likely coming from the Utah side hence why they're favorable towards them


Makes sense, thanks.
RE: RE: Grimes or No Grimes  
TheMick7 : 8/6/2022 11:19 am : link
In comment 15773189 Anakim said:
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Trade talks between the New York Knicks and Utah Jazz have gotten ... Grime-y.

Per Tony Jones of The Athletic, the Knicks are doing their utmost to keep Quentin Grimes out of any deal that would send Utah star Donovan Mitchell back to his home state. They've reportedly tried to appease the Jazz's reportedly picky desires with a plethora of primary draft selections but Utah really wants Grimes in Salt Lake City.

"The No. 1 player that the Jazz want in the deal is Quentin Grimes (and) I get the sense that the Jazz are really hesitant to do a deal that doesn't have Quentin Grimes in it," Jones said in an interview with ESPN 700 (KALL). "The one player that (the Knicks) are trying not to put in the deal is Quentin Grimes. They don't want Quentin Grimes in the deal under any circumstance."





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In lieu of Grimes, the Knicks instead appear willing to include another first-round choice, 2020's Obi Toppin, in the deal. While Toppin could perhaps make up for the interior production lost with the rebuilding Jazz's trade of Rudy Gobert, Jones believes that Utah won't budge until it gets Grimes, whom he refers to as a "major sticking point" at this point in the negotiations.

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Fine. Obi, Fournier and Grimes for Mitchell. Jazz have enough picks. Fair trade for both sides.


I'm a fan of Grimes,but he can't be the reason they don't make the trade. However, not both him AND Obi. If the other rumors are true & Randle will be moved, Obi becomes the starter. At the tail end of last season,when Thibs finally let him get out of the corner & play his game, Obi was great! Replace Obi with Reddish along with all the firsts & make the deal!
I don't think you can say "Grimes can't be the reason  
Jan in DC : 8/6/2022 4:47 pm : link
you don't make the trade."

It's the price in its totality. Would the Knicks trade Mitchell for Grimes. Sure, absolutely. But I'm guessing that there's a pick package that is included in that and Grimes is just another assets. There's a point where it's too much and if Utah is insisting on Grimes on top of 6 picks and IQ or whatever, yea, it's too much.

Looking at one piece in a vacuum isn't looking at the full scope of the trade.

Still think it happens. No rush.
I think this is a sign it’s close  
djm : 8/6/2022 4:56 pm : link
And I think we give them Grimes along with some picks and crap and call it a day. Grimes and a lot of picks will sting but we’ll be better off in the short and long term.
The media  
bceagle05 : 8/6/2022 5:54 pm : link
wants the Knicks to overpay so they can mock the Knicks for overpaying. So far we’ve handled this perfectly. It’s dragged on so long I don’t even care if it drags into training camp - the Jazz have no other card to play besides keeping him.
I dont want  
TommyWiseau : 8/6/2022 6:11 pm : link
To include Obi at all, that would be a huge bummer
RE: I don't think you can say  
TheMick7 : 8/6/2022 6:15 pm : link
In comment 15773368 Jan in DC said:
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you don't make the trade."

It's the price in its totality. Would the Knicks trade Mitchell for Grimes. Sure, absolutely. But I'm guessing that there's a pick package that is included in that and Grimes is just another assets. There's a point where it's too much and if Utah is insisting on Grimes on top of 6 picks and IQ or whatever, yea, it's too much.

Looking at one piece in a vacuum isn't looking at the full scope of the trade.

Still think it happens. No rush.


If you had read the posts above it, it was based on the package of Fournier,Grimes,Obi& picks.So no vacuum, just an observation that if Grimes was included,Obi shouldn't be,because that would suck!!!
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/6/2022 6:26 pm : link
Count me in the 'I don't wanna give up Obi' camp too. I like Grimes, but I won't be crying myself to sleep if he's dealt.
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