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The proposed three-team trade scenario included Westbrook going to Utah and getting bought out. Utah would send Donovan Mitchell to the Knicks, a combination of two players, including Patrick Beverley and Jordan Clarkson, Bojan Bogdanovic or Malik Beasley to the Lakers, and the Jazz would receive significant draft pick compensation from the Knicks and Lakers. The Knicks also would’ve had to part with veteran salary filler(s), such as Derrick Rose to help make the salaries work. The Lakers also have had interest in trading for Knicks forward Cam Reddish, who could also become part of a trade. Last season, the Lakers nearly acquired Reddish as part of a blockbuster three-team trade talks between the Lakers, Knicks and Raptors at the time. Another potential plot twist to monitor is whether the Knicks would have interest in acquiring Beasley. The Knicks previously expressed interest in signing Beasley when he was a restricted free agent, and former Timberwolves executive Gersson Rosas, who signed Beasley to a four-year, $60 million deal in Minnesota, is now working for the Knicks as a senior basketball advisor. |
Knicks get Mitchell
Utah gets Russ
Lakers get Randle (or Fournier), Beverly, and Reddish.
then of course you have to add in the picks and/or young players from the Knicks and Lakers.
Giddy up!
Knicks get Mitchell
Jazz get Russ and Fournier
Lakers get Clarkson, Beasley, and Reddish
If they are getting bailed out, they better be giving up some of the draft capital in this deal. It's obvious that Ainge wants more than what's on the table from the Knicks, so if he can figure out another team to fleece in the deal while we don't up our offer, I'd be happy with that.
I will say if the lakers somehow turned the mess that is russ into some combo of Randle, Fournier, Rose, Bogdanovic, Clarkson, and Pbev they did quite well. That team needs depth more then another superstar (not that this version of russ is anywhere near a superstar)
Knicks get Mitchell
Jazz get Russ and Fournier
Lakers get Clarkson, Beasley, and Reddish
Why would the Jazz do that?
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works for cap purposes:
Knicks get Mitchell
Jazz get Russ and Fournier
Lakers get Clarkson, Beasley, and Reddish
Why would the Jazz do that?
They'd cut Westbrook of course.
They'd do it for two reasons:
1 tank for the Frenchman
2 tons of young assets from NYK and LAL
I will say if the lakers somehow turned the mess that is russ into some combo of Randle, Fournier, Rose, Bogdanovic, Clarkson, and Pbev they did quite well. That team needs depth more then another superstar (not that this version of russ is anywhere near a superstar)
there was a report that the Knicks really want to hang onto Rose. He's another one of those guys who goes way back with Leon, Wes, etc.
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works for cap purposes:
Knicks get Mitchell
Jazz get Russ and Fournier
Lakers get Clarkson, Beasley, and Reddish
Why would the Jazz do that?
that's just the foundation of the deal for cap purposes. The picks and other young players (Obi, IQ, Grimes) is the tough part that they need to haggle over.
I'm sure they've checked in on SGA given the Kentucky connection but I highly doubt the Thunder would move him. They have a nice young core now and he's a great fit with Giddey, Chet, etc. They have a ton of picks already in the coffers and won't be able to use them all.
As far as who's better, I'd rather have Mitchell personally because I think he's the more impactful player for a team that needs an elite iso scorer as the #1 option. SGA has more two-way potential given his size but he's not as good of a perimeter defender as one would think right now (still better than Mitchell though).
This should be the dream scenario for any Knicks fan, it gives the Knicks the freedom to shop players to get back draft capital and/or another star.
Make this happen.
True. They do happen though. Frankly the Knicks don't need a 3rd team, it would just benefit the Knicks to have a 3rd team in there to mitigate the assets they'd have to give up.
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I don't see it happening.
True. They do happen though. Frankly the Knicks don't need a 3rd team, it would just benefit the Knicks to have a 3rd team in there to mitigate the assets they'd have to give up.
I'm not sure it would mitigate the assets the Knicks have to deal though. LA has held firm on only trading 1 first round pick to move off Westbrook and I bet Utah could get a first for either Clarkson or Bojan (possibly Beverly and/or Beasley too but less sure on those guys) so I don't think it's going to reduce the ask from the Knicks.
Brunson/IQ/McBride
Mitchell/Grimes
RJ/Beasley
Randle/Toppin
Robinson/Hartenstein/Sims
No title contender, but that's a good basketball team if Randle is engaged.
Brunson/IQ/McBride
Mitchell/Grimes
RJ/Beasley
Randle/Toppin
Robinson/Hartenstein/Sims
No title contender, but that's a good basketball team if Randle is engaged.
yeah - it's not realistic. But adding a guy like IQ or Grimes to the deal won't really affect the mechanics of the trade cap wise.
That is the championship that got away.
That Knicks team was fun to watch.
That is the championship that got away.
That Knicks team was fun to watch.
I still think the championship that got away was the year of the Heat brawl -- I think '97? I thought that was our best chance to beat the Bulls. Oh well.
The '96-'97 team was good, but I don't think we beat MJ & Chicago in the ECF. We split the regular season series, but come '96-'98...I never would have bet against MJ. I remember people taking Utah over Chicago in the '98 Finals & thinking, 'As long as Jordan is on the court, he'll will that team to the title if need be.'
Six or seven first round picks for one player should be enough to close that deal. That is a lot of draft capital to include. I understand we need to include other players for cap purposes but you have to think that Ainge is just being greedy.
That idiotic deal for Rudy Gobert really screwed up the trade marker with probably the worst possible person in Ainge.
Six or seven first round picks for one player should be enough to close that deal. That is a lot of draft capital to include. I understand we need to include other players for cap purposes but you have to think that Ainge is just being greedy.
That idiotic deal for Rudy Gobert really screwed up the trade marker with probably the worst possible person in Ainge.
1) Carmelo was a pending free agent, which lowered the price.
2) Times have changed. Prices are higher.
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heavy on players OR picks…but generally not both? I mean, when the Knicks traded for Carmelo Anthony. The Knicks sent Denver a bunch of players and ONE first round pick (along with two second rounders. And Denver also sent the Knicks four other players.
Six or seven first round picks for one player should be enough to close that deal. That is a lot of draft capital to include. I understand we need to include other players for cap purposes but you have to think that Ainge is just being greedy.
That idiotic deal for Rudy Gobert really screwed up the trade marker with probably the worst possible person in Ainge.
1) Carmelo was a pending free agent, which lowered the price.
2) Times have changed. Prices are higher.
Forgot about the pending free agent part, lol. That’s a biggie.
Trades set markets, unfortunately, until the next trade happens. Minnesota unintentionally f***ed us. Enjoy KAT and Gobert on the court at the same time....
A lot of the recent comparable deals included both young players and picks: AD, Paul George, 1st Harden deal etc
They still owe picks to the Pelicans, what picks do they have to add to the mix, one first round pick?
Per Tony Jones of The Athletic, the Knicks are doing their utmost to keep Quentin Grimes out of any deal that would send Utah star Donovan Mitchell back to his home state. They've reportedly tried to appease the Jazz's reportedly picky desires with a plethora of primary draft selections but Utah really wants Grimes in Salt Lake City.
"The No. 1 player that the Jazz want in the deal is Quentin Grimes (and) I get the sense that the Jazz are really hesitant to do a deal that doesn't have Quentin Grimes in it," Jones said in an interview with ESPN 700 (KALL). "The one player that (the Knicks) are trying not to put in the deal is Quentin Grimes. They don't want Quentin Grimes in the deal under any circumstance."
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They still owe picks to the Pelicans, what picks do they have to add to the mix, one first round pick?
Their 2027 and 2029 first round picks when they might be a mess (certainly won’t have LeBron) are VERY valuable. But it’s not as if they’d be getting KD in return. They’ll be getting headcase Kyrie, mediocre Julius Randle, solid but limited Jazz role players, or young but limited Pacer role players.
Exactly.
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Trade talks between the New York Knicks and Utah Jazz have gotten ... Grime-y.
Per Tony Jones of The Athletic, the Knicks are doing their utmost to keep Quentin Grimes out of any deal that would send Utah star Donovan Mitchell back to his home state. They've reportedly tried to appease the Jazz's reportedly picky desires with a plethora of primary draft selections but Utah really wants Grimes in Salt Lake City.
"The No. 1 player that the Jazz want in the deal is Quentin Grimes (and) I get the sense that the Jazz are really hesitant to do a deal that doesn't have Quentin Grimes in it," Jones said in an interview with ESPN 700 (KALL). "The one player that (the Knicks) are trying not to put in the deal is Quentin Grimes. They don't want Quentin Grimes in the deal under any circumstance."
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In lieu of Grimes, the Knicks instead appear willing to include another first-round choice, 2020's Obi Toppin, in the deal. While Toppin could perhaps make up for the interior production lost with the rebuilding Jazz's trade of Rudy Gobert, Jones believes that Utah won't budge until it gets Grimes, whom he refers to as a "major sticking point" at this point in the negotiations.
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30 minute podcast episode - haven't heard it - ( New Window )
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Trade talks between the New York Knicks and Utah Jazz have gotten ... Grime-y.
Per Tony Jones of The Athletic, the Knicks are doing their utmost to keep Quentin Grimes out of any deal that would send Utah star Donovan Mitchell back to his home state. They've reportedly tried to appease the Jazz's reportedly picky desires with a plethora of primary draft selections but Utah really wants Grimes in Salt Lake City.
"The No. 1 player that the Jazz want in the deal is Quentin Grimes (and) I get the sense that the Jazz are really hesitant to do a deal that doesn't have Quentin Grimes in it," Jones said in an interview with ESPN 700 (KALL). "The one player that (the Knicks) are trying not to put in the deal is Quentin Grimes. They don't want Quentin Grimes in the deal under any circumstance."
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In lieu of Grimes, the Knicks instead appear willing to include another first-round choice, 2020's Obi Toppin, in the deal. While Toppin could perhaps make up for the interior production lost with the rebuilding Jazz's trade of Rudy Gobert, Jones believes that Utah won't budge until it gets Grimes, whom he refers to as a "major sticking point" at this point in the negotiations.
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Fine. Obi, Fournier and Grimes for Mitchell. Jazz have enough picks. Fair trade for both sides.
I agree although my reasoning is different. I’d rather roll forward with a young player at all 5 positions with Toppin ready to replace Julius Randle if he’s traded. This is better than depending on Julius Randle to rediscover his previous form.
Brunson, Mitchell, RJ, Obi, and Mitch Robinson will all be between 26 and 22 years old when the season begins.
All the while the Knicks can keep other assets.
Grimes might end up being a decent 2 but he will not be Mitchell.
Hold out on Grimes as long as possible and cut into the picks that Ainge wants.
Will there EVER be a report that favors the Knicks?
Will there EVER be a report that favors the Knicks?
By all accounts, the current Knicks front office doesn't leak much of anything at all. So a lot of the leaks are likely coming from the Utah side hence why they're favorable towards them
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to compromise are really annoying. Everything points to the Knicks offering multiple paths and Ainge (of course) unwilling to move off his ridiculous demands.
Will there EVER be a report that favors the Knicks?
By all accounts, the current Knicks front office doesn't leak much of anything at all. So a lot of the leaks are likely coming from the Utah side hence why they're favorable towards them
Makes sense, thanks.
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Trade talks between the New York Knicks and Utah Jazz have gotten ... Grime-y.
Per Tony Jones of The Athletic, the Knicks are doing their utmost to keep Quentin Grimes out of any deal that would send Utah star Donovan Mitchell back to his home state. They've reportedly tried to appease the Jazz's reportedly picky desires with a plethora of primary draft selections but Utah really wants Grimes in Salt Lake City.
"The No. 1 player that the Jazz want in the deal is Quentin Grimes (and) I get the sense that the Jazz are really hesitant to do a deal that doesn't have Quentin Grimes in it," Jones said in an interview with ESPN 700 (KALL). "The one player that (the Knicks) are trying not to put in the deal is Quentin Grimes. They don't want Quentin Grimes in the deal under any circumstance."
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In lieu of Grimes, the Knicks instead appear willing to include another first-round choice, 2020's Obi Toppin, in the deal. While Toppin could perhaps make up for the interior production lost with the rebuilding Jazz's trade of Rudy Gobert, Jones believes that Utah won't budge until it gets Grimes, whom he refers to as a "major sticking point" at this point in the negotiations.
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Fine. Obi, Fournier and Grimes for Mitchell. Jazz have enough picks. Fair trade for both sides.
I'm a fan of Grimes,but he can't be the reason they don't make the trade. However, not both him AND Obi. If the other rumors are true & Randle will be moved, Obi becomes the starter. At the tail end of last season,when Thibs finally let him get out of the corner & play his game, Obi was great! Replace Obi with Reddish along with all the firsts & make the deal!
It's the price in its totality. Would the Knicks trade Mitchell for Grimes. Sure, absolutely. But I'm guessing that there's a pick package that is included in that and Grimes is just another assets. There's a point where it's too much and if Utah is insisting on Grimes on top of 6 picks and IQ or whatever, yea, it's too much.
Looking at one piece in a vacuum isn't looking at the full scope of the trade.
Still think it happens. No rush.
It's the price in its totality. Would the Knicks trade Mitchell for Grimes. Sure, absolutely. But I'm guessing that there's a pick package that is included in that and Grimes is just another assets. There's a point where it's too much and if Utah is insisting on Grimes on top of 6 picks and IQ or whatever, yea, it's too much.
Looking at one piece in a vacuum isn't looking at the full scope of the trade.
Still think it happens. No rush.
If you had read the posts above it, it was based on the package of Fournier,Grimes,Obi& picks.So no vacuum, just an observation that if Grimes was included,Obi shouldn't be,because that would suck!!!