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Who do you think is the biggest fraud in the NFL, no Giants

Maryland Blows : 8/5/2022 10:27 am
My pick is Diggs with the Cowboys. Yes he had a lot of picks last year but I believe he is a liability in coverage and the league is going to torch him this year?
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Russell  
Toth029 : 8/5/2022 1:38 pm : link
Wilson is fake like Rodgers and blamed the performance failure on others (the line, coaches, etc.).
To  
Toth029 : 8/5/2022 1:39 pm : link
That, he's much worse than Rodgers and doesn't get the crap for it.
Is Josh Norman still in the league?  
bradshaw44 : 8/5/2022 1:43 pm : link
He was the biggest fraud when he was constantly in the media.
Does Joe Judge count  
bluefin : 8/5/2022 1:49 pm : link
being he’s a now a Patriot?
Judge...  
Brown_Hornet : 8/5/2022 1:56 pm : link
...is very likely a very good assistant coach.

Fraud as a HC tho.
Diggs  
giantBCP : 8/5/2022 2:08 pm : link
allowed 1,051 yards against last season, which was the most yardage allowed from any corner in a single season since 2016.
I agree that Diggs  
jvm52106 : 8/5/2022 2:24 pm : link
gets a lot of pub but, he is a turnover machine.

I think E.Elliot and D. Prescott are both way way overrated.

Beckham is definitely a fraud at this point. His legs are shot and he never recovered from that bad ankle injury with the Gmen.

DK Metcalf, we shall see if he can produce without Wilson. He has benefitted from Wilson, a multifaceted running game and Lockett being a big play threat on the other side.
RE: Rodgers isn't fake  
Dr. D : 8/5/2022 2:29 pm : link
In comment 15772528 UConn4523 said:
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he's just not someone you like, most likely. And that's fine, but I see an authentic guy that happens to rub people the wrong way. That's on you/them, not him.

I agree
RE: Diggs  
sb from NYT Forum : 8/5/2022 2:40 pm : link
In comment 15772568 giantBCP said:
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allowed 1,051 yards against last season, which was the most yardage allowed from any corner in a single season since 2016.


I thought this was surprising so I looked it up. Where are you getting your data from?

Pro football reference has Diggs giving up 907 yards in 2021. That's the highest in 2021, but in 2020 Sean Murphy Bunting gave up 942 and AJ Terrell gave up 936.

In 2019 Kyle Fuller gave up 942 and Isaiah Oliver gave up 908.
......  
Route 9 : 8/5/2022 2:53 pm : link
Lol. Saquon Barkley.
Here’s a hot take  
Danny Kanell : 8/5/2022 2:54 pm : link
Justin Herbert
RE: RE: Diggs  
Strahan91 : 8/5/2022 3:03 pm : link
In comment 15772592 sb from NYT Forum said:
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In comment 15772568 giantBCP said:


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allowed 1,051 yards against last season, which was the most yardage allowed from any corner in a single season since 2016.



I thought this was surprising so I looked it up. Where are you getting your data from?

Pro football reference has Diggs giving up 907 yards in 2021. That's the highest in 2021, but in 2020 Sean Murphy Bunting gave up 942 and AJ Terrell gave up 936.

In 2019 Kyle Fuller gave up 942 and Isaiah Oliver gave up 908.

The number he referenced is PFF's. It's the most allowed by a CB using PFF's data since they started (so mid 2000's I believe)
WR contracts  
AcesUp : 8/5/2022 3:25 pm : link
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RE: Russell  
UConn4523 : 8/5/2022 3:34 pm : link
In comment 15772539 Toth029 said:
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Wilson is fake like Rodgers and blamed the performance failure on others (the line, coaches, etc.).


What happens when the Seahawks win 4 games this year?
RE: RE: Russell  
BigBlue7 : 8/5/2022 4:20 pm : link
In comment 15772654 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 15772539 Toth029 said:


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Wilson is fake like Rodgers and blamed the performance failure on others (the line, coaches, etc.).



What happens when the Seahawks win 4 games this year?


Only won 7 last year
You know he was hurt right?  
UConn4523 : 8/5/2022 4:25 pm : link
broken throwing hand and came back early from a 2+ month recovery estimate. It was the only losing season of his career, one that wouldn’t have happened without breaking his hand. Definitely overrated, lol.
Watson...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/5/2022 4:29 pm : link
I remember him donating his paycheck to people who worked in kitchen who were impacted by Hurricane Harvey. I thought to myself, 'Nice gesture. Seems like a good kid.'

Uh, yeah...
RE: Watson...  
Route 9 : 8/5/2022 4:54 pm : link
In comment 15772679 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I remember him donating his paycheck to people who worked in kitchen who were impacted by Hurricane Harvey. I thought to myself, 'Nice gesture. Seems like a good kid.'

Uh, yeah...


Gus Fring was a good guy who donated, too.
RE: I agree that Diggs  
bw in dc : 8/5/2022 5:51 pm : link
In comment 15772575 jvm52106 said:
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DK Metcalf, we shall see if he can produce without Wilson. He has benefitted from Wilson, a multifaceted running game and Lockett being a big play threat on the other side.


Interesting thought. I can see your point for sure. DKM certainly has the Adonis body and terrific straight-line speed, but I have never liked his hands - more of a body catcher - and don't think anyone will be using him to make a video on precision route running...
RE: RE: Diggs  
giantBCP : 8/5/2022 7:33 pm : link
In comment 15772592 sb from NYT Forum said:
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allowed 1,051 yards against last season, which was the most yardage allowed from any corner in a single season since 2016.

Here you go.



I thought this was surprising so I looked it up. Where are you getting your data from?

Pro football reference has Diggs giving up 907 yards in 2021. That's the highest in 2021, but in 2020 Sean Murphy Bunting gave up 942 and AJ Terrell gave up 936.

In 2019 Kyle Fuller gave up 942 and Isaiah Oliver gave up 908.

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Zeke Elliot was a terrific rb  
djm : 8/5/2022 10:38 pm : link
And even the last two years he’s been above average. Save me the crap about money, he’s a good player who gets the consistent yardage most rbs don’t get.

Dak is a game manager? Wtf are you guys watching?? Dallas dominates the league offensively yet zeke and dak are overrated. Ok then.

And lol about russel Wilson too.

Overrated means not good in case you all forgot.
Kyler Murray?  
djm : 8/5/2022 10:40 pm : link
Again, what are you watching. Zona scores a ton of points and passes the ball all over the field and runs the ball well despite no big names at rb, yet Murray is overrated??? No. Try again. He’s short. Stop there.
OBJ still living rent free in some heads here even when unemployed  
No1MDGiantsFan : 8/5/2022 10:49 pm : link
I’ll will agree with Rodgers, total fraud and a clown
RE: Zeke Elliot was a terrific rb  
UConn4523 : 8/5/2022 10:55 pm : link
In comment 15773011 djm said:
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And even the last two years he’s been above average. Save me the crap about money, he’s a good player who gets the consistent yardage most rbs don’t get.

Dak is a game manager? Wtf are you guys watching?? Dallas dominates the league offensively yet zeke and dak are overrated. Ok then.

And lol about russel Wilson too.

Overrated means not good in case you all forgot.


People try too hard, it’s pretty funny.
 
christian : 8/5/2022 11:16 pm : link
I don’t think there’s such a thing as a fraud, in a game only a tiny percentage of men can play, and for a short period of time.

It’s a tough game, that batters people, and often leaves them with lifelong physical problems. Fraud isn’t the word I’d use to describe an NFL player.
Wilson has the 12 best win % all time (100+ starts)  
UConn4523 : 8/5/2022 11:19 pm : link
and has one of the highest TD % and YPA in NFL history with one of the lowest turnover rates. He’s a 1st ballot HoFer. Definitely a fraud.
Forget naming a player… let’s just go  
GNewGiants : 8/6/2022 6:35 am : link
With a team.

Dallas Cowboys.

Every year they have the talent and are on their way to the SB. And every year for over 25 years now - they disappoint their fans. Yeah save the “well they’re better than the Giants”. No shit, but we haven’t been good for a decade and we beat probably what was their best team since 95 in 2007. Fuck them.
another vote for Barkley  
The Jake : 8/6/2022 8:23 am : link
evaluated based purely on ability (minus hype), he’s a third down back in the NFL, not unlike how Reggie Bush’s career turned out.
RE: Kyler Murray?  
sb from NYT Forum : 8/6/2022 10:46 am : link
In comment 15773012 djm said:
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Again, what are you watching. Zona scores a ton of points and passes the ball all over the field and runs the ball well despite no big names at rb, yet Murray is overrated??? No. Try again. He’s short. Stop there.


Yup. 29 total TDs and 10 INTs isn't as good as all the hype. That's Carson Wentz territory.

Oh, and overrated does not mean "not good" as you said in a later post, LOL. It means something is rated higher than its actual value.
RE: …  
djm : 8/6/2022 4:27 pm : link
In comment 15773034 christian said:
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I don’t think there’s such a thing as a fraud, in a game only a tiny percentage of men can play, and for a short period of time.

It’s a tough game, that batters people, and often leaves them with lifelong physical problems. Fraud isn’t the word I’d use to describe an NFL player.


Exactly. I get that some players get too much hype from fans and media but how can anyone say zeke Elliot is a fraud. He’s anything but. Same with dak who quite honestly comes off as one of the most genuine human beings to play the game in ages. And he produces. But he hasn’t won a super bowl so he sucks? Cmon do better than that.
RE: RE: Kyler Murray?  
djm : 8/6/2022 4:32 pm : link
In comment 15773201 sb from NYT Forum said:
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Again, what are you watching. Zona scores a ton of points and passes the ball all over the field and runs the ball well despite no big names at rb, yet Murray is overrated??? No. Try again. He’s short. Stop there.



Yup. 29 total TDs and 10 INTs isn't as good as all the hype. That's Carson Wentz territory.

Oh, and overrated does not mean "not good" as you said in a later post, LOL. It means something is rated higher than its actual value.


Fraud or overrated either moniker is wrong here.

2021 Points For: 449 (26.4/g) 11th of 32

^^^ with a hobbled hopkins or no hopkins most of the year. The immortal Connor at rb.

Murray IS the cardinals offense even with hopkins at 100% and hopkins Is losing his fastball with every passing month.

Murray would be a deified here with the giants. He’s a flat out nightmare to deal with. He’s not the best qb by any means but he’s an advantage for the cards every single game they play. He’s not a fraud. This is dumb.
And look I’ll be the first to say  
djm : 8/6/2022 4:33 pm : link
Murray had a bad finish but Carson wentz? No way. I’ll believe that when I see Murray is cut by the cards next season.
Dallas  
OC2.0 : 8/7/2022 2:05 am : link
They’ve been irrelevant since the mid 90’s
Diggs  
Pete in MD : 8/7/2022 9:44 am : link
is actually from Maryland. The OP has an agenda :-)
Murray scored 29x in 14 games  
UConn4523 : 8/7/2022 9:55 am : link
I see you didn’t include his completion percentage (just under 70%) or his rushing yards. You’d be the fraud in this scenario, not Murray.
RE: Dallas  
djm : 8/7/2022 10:27 am : link
In comment 15773678 OC2.0 said:
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They’ve been irrelevant since the mid 90’s


I’d take making the playoffs every other year.

The biggest joke of an nfl franchise that no one ever talks about is the Chicago bears. I don’t even need to provide examples or proof. It’s right there for any to see. One great team in 50 years. One. No qbs. Literally NONE. But it’s “da bears” —- yea you suck constantly.
biggest fraud  
xtian : 8/7/2022 1:21 pm : link
BBI posters. Haha, couldn't resist. but i do suggest looking up the definition of fraud.
RE: How come you don't like Maryland?  
Maryland Blows : 8/7/2022 5:08 pm : link
In comment 15772367 Jimmy Googs said:
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Been through this several times not doing it again
RE: RE: How come you don't like Maryland?  
Jimmy Googs : 8/7/2022 5:53 pm : link
In comment 15774064 Maryland Blows said:
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Been through this several times not doing it again


Don’t recall you ever answering actually. Apologies if missed it.

Why don’t you like Maryland?
......  
Route 9 : 8/7/2022 6:08 pm : link
Yeah why don't you like Maryland?
RE: RE: Dallas  
Route 9 : 8/7/2022 11:49 pm : link
In comment 15773798 djm said:
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The biggest joke of an nfl franchise that no one ever talks about is the Chicago bears. I don’t even need to provide examples or proof. It’s right there for any to see. One great team in 50 years. One. No qbs. Literally NONE. But it’s “da bears” —- yea you suck constantly.


Agreed and they have scummy smug fans too
RE: RE: RE: Kyler Murray?  
sb from NYT Forum : 8/9/2022 12:05 pm : link
In comment 15773363 djm said:
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In comment 15773012 djm said:


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Again, what are you watching. Zona scores a ton of points and passes the ball all over the field and runs the ball well despite no big names at rb, yet Murray is overrated??? No. Try again. He’s short. Stop there.



Yup. 29 total TDs and 10 INTs isn't as good as all the hype. That's Carson Wentz territory.

Oh, and overrated does not mean "not good" as you said in a later post, LOL. It means something is rated higher than its actual value.



Fraud or overrated either moniker is wrong here.

2021 Points For: 449 (26.4/g) 11th of 32

^^^ with a hobbled hopkins or no hopkins most of the year. The immortal Connor at rb.

Murray IS the cardinals offense even with hopkins at 100% and hopkins Is losing his fastball with every passing month.

Murray would be a deified here with the giants. He’s a flat out nightmare to deal with. He’s not the best qb by any means but he’s an advantage for the cards every single game they play. He’s not a fraud. This is dumb.


I specifically said I wouldn't call him a fraud, dipshit. I said he's overrated. I am guessing reading comprehension wasn't your strong suit in high school, huh?
Joe Burrow  
Debaser : 8/10/2022 5:50 pm : link
Noodle arm over hyped game manager

Aaron Rodgers was always like that. He rode his freakin bicycle to practices.

Favre tricked him into autgraphing his own game helmet so he had to practice with it because he hid the others or something for rubbing Favre the wrong way.

Russ Wilson is not in the same conversation as Rodgers also btw; whether you think he's a douche or not. (I actually kind of like him) and think it would be far more interesting drinking a beer with him than a lot of other players. He also got along with the Mannings on their MNF show and was interesting on that.
RE: Joe Burrow  
bw in dc : 8/10/2022 6:37 pm : link
In comment 15776969 Debaser said:
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Noodle arm over hyped game manager



How does a "noodle arm over hyped game manager" lead the league in YPA?

BTW, Chase and Higgins were at the bottom of the league is separation...
Burrow?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/10/2022 6:51 pm : link
Dude just led the Bengals-the freaking Bengals-to the Super Bowl in his second season. The man is going to be a force in this league for a long, long time.
YPA  
Debaser : 8/11/2022 5:52 am : link
Ok at one time or another Mark Samchez Ryan Fitzpatrick, Colt McCoy and Rg3 all appeared in the top 10 in the league for YPA while Tom Brady has ranked 21 st. Enough said on YPA.
Aaron Rodgers, Joe Burrow, and Russell Wilson  
chick310 : 8/11/2022 8:29 am : link
being named above is nothing short of ridiculous.

Giant fan intelligence has been impaired due to all these losing seasons.
Being top 10 in any one category  
UConn4523 : 8/11/2022 8:35 am : link
doesn’t mean much. But we are talking #1 in a category that signifies downfield passing, which is funny to think a noodle armed QB can achieve.

This board got better when you stopped posting and is now shittier with you back.
RE: Being top 10 in any one category  
Debaser : 8/11/2022 2:19 pm : link
In comment 15777240 UConn4523 said:
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doesn’t mean much. But we are talking #1 in a category that signifies downfield passing, which is funny to think a noodle armed QB can achieve.

This board got better when you stopped posting and is now shittier with you back.


We're talking about a stat that does not take into account sacks or anything else, but just the yards.

Burrow is really good at that. I'l give you that. He can throw a football 25 - 27 feet in front of him to one of 2 WR1s the Bengals have or one of the best receiving RB in the NFL. So could about a dozen other QBs.
Sigh…  
GNewGiants : 8/11/2022 3:02 pm : link
Only if Burrow could throw like Mike Glennon…
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