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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/6/2022 8:15 am

Highly recommended reading...




August 5, 2022 New York Giants Training Camp Report - ( New Window )
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RE: RE: Thanks Sy  
bigblue1124 : 8/6/2022 1:32 pm : link
In comment 15773259 Sy'56 said:
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Really appreciate you doing these.

Anyone know if the Giants are doing joint practices this year with any of the preseason team?



I believe they have practices with the Jets later this month

Thanks Sy
RE: there  
Capt. Don : 8/6/2022 1:35 pm : link
In comment 15773140 Eric from BBI said:
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are two serious problems with Jones right now:

(2) He's not accurate enough (this is on him).


It was interesting that Shaun O'Hara went out of his way to basically say, "despite all of his faults, Jones is very accurate."

I get that O'Hara works for the Giants but he was saying that DJ has serious deficits but accuracy isn't one of them.

He could've picked any other attribute like work ethic, speed, toughness but he settled on accuracy.
Thanks Sy'56  
section125 : 8/6/2022 1:43 pm : link
your reports are always the highlight of the week.

I thought the WRs would be better than we have had in a while with Toney healthy, Wan'Dale and a fully functional Golladay. Gosh, how bad Gettleman was at evaluating talent with that Golladay deal....
trying to be as optimistic as possible  
WhoCares : 8/6/2022 2:02 pm : link
DJ might be having more trouble processing bc 1) brand new offense so thinking more than reacting, and 2) going against winks defenses can be confusing

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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/6/2022 2:27 pm : link
If TT is the better option/gives us a better chance to win, then he should start. It is as simple as that to me. & perhaps PatersonPlank-who I respect as a poster-is right & a bunch of us are overreacting to last night/haven't even had a preseason game yet. But this just might be who DJ is as a QB. And if TT is the better option, then that tells me all I need to know about Jones' viability long term.
RE: This article concerns me even more  
Strahan91 : 8/6/2022 2:53 pm : link
In comment 15773203 5BowlsSoon said:
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Wink is making it tough….even in practice. Defense dominating - ( New Window )

Fwiw Hughes is a big Jets fan and homer. I couldn't believe some of the stuff he'd written slobbering over Darnold a couple of years ago. I'd put little weight into anything he says about the Giants, especially if it's in contrast to what Sy is seeing.
RE: there  
TC : 8/6/2022 2:56 pm : link
In comment 15773140 Eric from BBI said:
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are two serious problems with Jones right now:

(1) He's not processing the play fast enough (could be related to new scheme and complex defense he is facing, but he's had this problem before).

(2) He's not accurate enough (this is on him).

Agree on both counts, and will add a third, he seems to have poor pocket awareness. Doesn't feel pressure, and feels pressure that's not really there.

This is another great job by Sy! (Thanks, Sy!) And I realize he's scouting the player, and just reporting what he sees. But I wonder if he has any conjectures as to why he looked much better as a rookie? Sure, there are sophomore slumps, but this is beginning to more and more like just Danny.
RE: ...  
PatersonPlank : 8/6/2022 3:02 pm : link
In comment 15773291 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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If TT is the better option/gives us a better chance to win, then he should start. It is as simple as that to me. & perhaps PatersonPlank-who I respect as a poster-is right & a bunch of us are overreacting to last night/haven't even had a preseason game yet. But this just might be who DJ is as a QB. And if TT is the better option, then that tells me all I need to know about Jones' viability long term.


I agree the best QB should play, the point is to put the best team on the field. I am not even sure I like Jones frankly. However I just am responding to posters who ignore the good practices and jump all over the bad ones. New coaching, new offense, the defense is way ahead, etc. Its only a practice, its not even a preseason game.

I have to believe that after preseason, or for sure after a real game or two, if Daboll thinks Tyrod is the better QB then he will play (and he should). At that point we start gearing up for a QB draft choice.
RE: We haven't even had a preseason game yet  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/6/2022 3:49 pm : link
In comment 15773250 PatersonPlank said:
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We don't know what Jones is being asked out there, let it play out.

I don't know if he will cut it or not, but making hard judgements based on an August practice in a new offense makes little sense.


Do you think he was asked, or was put in a position where he would look bad, at a season ticket holder and fan fest event?

Yeah, we don't know what was asked. A reasonable person might conclude that's not the time were Daboll is saying 'air it out, I don't care about INTs, go give the DBs some practice'.
The defense isn't bad on paper  
Spiciest Memelord : 8/6/2022 3:58 pm : link
It's Xavier, Martinez (almost forgot about him), Williams and Lawrence against Jones and lets call it a work in progress. Kind of scary thin though at DB and DL.
RE: RE: We haven't even had a preseason game yet  
PatersonPlank : 8/6/2022 3:58 pm : link
In comment 15773330 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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We don't know what Jones is being asked out there, let it play out.

I don't know if he will cut it or not, but making hard judgements based on an August practice in a new offense makes little sense.



Do you think he was asked, or was put in a position where he would look bad, at a season ticket holder and fan fest event?

Yeah, we don't know what was asked. A reasonable person might conclude that's not the time were Daboll is saying 'air it out, I don't care about INTs, go give the DBs some practice'.


Daboll has said in an interview that he sometimes asks the QBs to hold it longer (to practice a game situation where they have to hold it and zip it in), and he has asked the QBs to throw some passes up for grabs just to see what the DBs do (so throw it to a WR they wouldn't normally throw it to). So we don't know really, only they know. All we can do is see who Daboll picks to run the team come September
RE: I still wouldn't sleep on  
Section331 : 8/6/2022 4:01 pm : link
In comment 15773130 jvm52106 said:
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Jimmy G to the Giants and here is one HUGE reason on the 9ers side of things.

They will have to trade Jimmy or cut him. If they cut him NOBODY will claim that salary. This he is a free agent and ripe for the Rams to sign. The 9ers may take far less for him and even pay some $$$$ to make sure he doesn't end up with the Rams.

I am not saying we should but, at this point Jones is Jones. He will do enough to tease here and there but never enough for he himself to be the difference on the winning side. Truthfully, outside of his solid performances against Washington over the years, his W/L record would look even more putrid than it does already.


Why are the Rams signing Jimmy G, and an even bigger question, why is Jimmy G signing where he has no chance to start? Plus, why would SF care that Jimmy G is going anywhere to be a backup?
Think Stafford is dealing with a possible injury  
Spiciest Memelord : 8/6/2022 4:05 pm : link
and McVay is the same coaching tree as Shanahan and both have hot girlfriends. I chose the wrong line of work.
Good post Patterson...  
Brown_Hornet : 8/6/2022 4:05 pm : link
... also hopefully Dabs could care less that there were butts in the seats for practice.

He's a coach, not a marketing consultant.
Correction  
Spiciest Memelord : 8/6/2022 4:12 pm : link
its Kingsbury with the hot girlfriend, and not Shanny. But my point about the same coaching tree/system still stands.
RE: We haven't even had a preseason game yet  
cosmicj : 8/6/2022 4:17 pm : link
In comment 15773250 PatersonPlank said:
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We don't know what Jones is being asked out there, let it play out. He has two good practices and there are crickets on here, now a poor practice and the same old posters are all over him. Where were you this past week when he went 16-20 and 9-10?

I don't know if he will cut it or not, but making hard judgements based on an August practice in a new offense makes little sense.


Practice is easy. The good QBs are putting up stats they’d never reach in regular season games, which are way harder with an intense defense using a game plan designed to stop you and key teammates playing hurt. So playing well in practice doesn’t mean you’ll play well in real games. Playing badly on the other hand…
RE: RE: We haven't even had a preseason game yet  
Producer : 8/6/2022 4:20 pm : link
In comment 15773355 cosmicj said:
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We don't know what Jones is being asked out there, let it play out. He has two good practices and there are crickets on here, now a poor practice and the same old posters are all over him. Where were you this past week when he went 16-20 and 9-10?

I don't know if he will cut it or not, but making hard judgements based on an August practice in a new offense makes little sense.



Practice is easy. The good QBs are putting up stats they’d never reach in regular season games, which are way harder with an intense defense using a game plan designed to stop you and key teammates playing hurt. So playing well in practice doesn’t mean you’ll play well in real games. Playing badly on the other hand…


Exactly. All these practices should be slam dunks. One bad day... sure. But every other day? Three bad practices already? This is nuts.
RE: RE: RE: We haven't even had a preseason game yet  
section125 : 8/6/2022 4:53 pm : link
In comment 15773358 Producer said:
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We don't know what Jones is being asked out there, let it play out. He has two good practices and there are crickets on here, now a poor practice and the same old posters are all over him. Where were you this past week when he went 16-20 and 9-10?

I don't know if he will cut it or not, but making hard judgements based on an August practice in a new offense makes little sense.



Practice is easy. The good QBs are putting up stats they’d never reach in regular season games, which are way harder with an intense defense using a game plan designed to stop you and key teammates playing hurt. So playing well in practice doesn’t mean you’ll play well in real games. Playing badly on the other hand…



Exactly. All these practices should be slam dunks. One bad day... sure. But every other day? Three bad practices already? This is nuts.


I am not thinking Jones does anything special this year, but this is a silly take - practice is easy?
Wink is blitzing every damn down from every where. Good for the defense. But these are also unrealistic looks for the offense. They have a rookie RT, new RG and C(if on the field) trying to learn a new offense. Slam dunk? It is a great teaching tool because they will not see these blitzes regular season every game.

However...

I am not looking for any more excuses for Jones. He is what he has been. Sy knows his shit and I believe him. But for Pete's sake get realistic. It is the 1st week of camp and the offense is trying to learn a new system. Receivers need to make the right reads and be on the same page as the QB. If the WR goes the wrong way, the QB is left holding the bag (or ball as it were).

So can the slam dunk easy practice crap. Is Jones going to be good - I doubt it. Can we get to the regular season?
Section125.  
Producer : 8/6/2022 5:55 pm : link
I have great respect for your viewpoint but I have to disagree. There is no chance that what Jones faces now is as intense as what he will face from the Packers and Ravens in October or from the Cowboys, Eagles and Commanders toward the end of the season.

We too often get in the mode of treating Daniel Jones as some kind of science project. Training camp isn't a place where the QB is completely lost because the competition is too stiff and then he eventually figures it out.
Raanan  
Toth029 : 8/6/2022 6:33 pm : link
Made a good point about Feliciano.

He was gone almost a week.

Without telling it, it was likely a Covid situation.

But they need him in there, and to cut Jamil Douglas.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/6/2022 6:43 pm : link
I hope DJ lights it up when the real bullets start flying, but let's be realistic: the odds are long.

He's still making the same mistakes time after time.
RE: ...  
BigBlueShock : 8/6/2022 6:51 pm : link
In comment 15773449 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I hope DJ lights it up when the real bullets start flying, but let's be realistic: the odds are long.

He's still making the same mistakes time after time.

Fortunately we have guys running the offense now that know a stud QB when they see it. Damn how I would love to be a fly on the wall in the office while Daboll and Kafka are discussing things in private. These guys have spent the past few seasons working with Mahomes and Allen. I can’t imagine the culture shock following that up with what they are seeing now, in comparison, lol
RE: RE: RE: RE: We haven't even had a preseason game yet  
Brown_Hornet : 8/6/2022 6:58 pm : link
In comment 15773372 section125 said:
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We don't know what Jones is being asked out there, let it play out. He has two good practices and there are crickets on here, now a poor practice and the same old posters are all over him. Where were you this past week when he went 16-20 and 9-10?

I don't know if he will cut it or not, but making hard judgements based on an August practice in a new offense makes little sense.



Practice is easy. The good QBs are putting up stats they’d never reach in regular season games, which are way harder with an intense defense using a game plan designed to stop you and key teammates playing hurt. So playing well in practice doesn’t mean you’ll play well in real games. Playing badly on the other hand…



Exactly. All these practices should be slam dunks. One bad day... sure. But every other day? Three bad practices already? This is nuts.



I am not thinking Jones does anything special this year, but this is a silly take - practice is easy?
Wink is blitzing every damn down from every where. Good for the defense. But these are also unrealistic looks for the offense. They have a rookie RT, new RG and C(if on the field) trying to learn a new offense. Slam dunk? It is a great teaching tool because they will not see these blitzes regular season every game.

However...

I am not looking for any more excuses for Jones. He is what he has been. Sy knows his shit and I believe him. But for Pete's sake get realistic. It is the 1st week of camp and the offense is trying to learn a new system. Receivers need to make the right reads and be on the same page as the QB. If the WR goes the wrong way, the QB is left holding the bag (or ball as it were).

So can the slam dunk easy practice crap. Is Jones going to be good - I doubt it. Can we get to the regular season?
Practice is easy?
A slam dunk?

Why would you suggest such a thing?

Strange and inaccurate take.
Within about 100 days  
Bill in UT : 8/6/2022 7:17 pm : link
we should know all we need to about Jones. After 10 years of crap, I can handle that
RE: RE: ...  
christian : 8/6/2022 7:18 pm : link
In comment 15773452 BigBlueShock said:
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Fortunately we have guys running the offense now that know a stud QB when they see it. Damn how I would love to be a fly on the wall in the office while Daboll and Kafka are discussing things in private. These guys have spent the past few seasons working with Mahomes and Allen. I can’t imagine the culture shock following that up with what they are seeing now, in comparison, lol


This is a great observation. My guess is in a few weeks the general consensus is “oh boy.”
RE: Within about 100 days  
Spiciest Memelord : 8/6/2022 7:40 pm : link
In comment 15773463 Bill in UT said:
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we should know all we need to about Jones. After 10 years of crap, I can handle that


On the bright side, overall its been a good week. Trevon Diggs got chased off twitter for sucking ass in practice.

https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3427629/trevon-diggs-deleted-his-twitter-because-people-kept-posting-videos-of-him-getting-smoked-by-practice-squad-wrs
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/6/2022 7:47 pm : link
In comment 15773452 BigBlueShock said:
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I hope DJ lights it up when the real bullets start flying, but let's be realistic: the odds are long.

He's still making the same mistakes time after time.


Fortunately we have guys running the offense now that know a stud QB when they see it. Damn how I would love to be a fly on the wall in the office while Daboll and Kafka are discussing things in private. These guys have spent the past few seasons working with Mahomes and Allen. I can’t imagine the culture shock following that up with what they are seeing now, in comparison, lol


I'd love to take Daboll & Kafka out for a few drinks & get them to loosen their ties, if you will. I think the DJ takes wouldn't be too hot.

Remember, Schoen & Daboll have no ties to DJ. They have nothing invested in this guy. And most GMs & HC want their own QB. Methinks we're taking a QB high next spring, unless DJ suddenly morphs into an elite QB. I hope he does, but I don't expect it. I'd love to eat crow. DJ seems like a very good kid & hard worker. But I'm more interested in getting a better QB.
RE: RE: RE: RE: We haven't even had a preseason game yet  
bw in dc : 8/6/2022 7:52 pm : link
In comment 15773372 section125 said:
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I am not looking for any more excuses for Jones. He is what he has been. Sy knows his shit and I believe him. But for Pete's sake get realistic. It is the 1st week of camp and the offense is trying to learn a new system. Receivers need to make the right reads and be on the same page as the QB. If the WR goes the wrong way, the QB is left holding the bag (or ball as it were).


If you trust Sy's judgment, it seems that most of these struggles he is witnessing by Jones are largely on Jones. And not a function of the new offense and the supporting cast.

It certainly doesn't sound like Taylor is struggling at the rate Jones is...

I think this is possibly morphing into an old fashioned QB controversy.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/6/2022 7:54 pm : link
I just wish John hadn't run his mouth defending DJ, saying they've done everything to screw up the kid. Schoen & Daboll heard that & probably feel pressure to play him.

Mara's loyalty to DJ is so odd to me. DJ has won nothing here. This isn't Eli redux. Eli is a 2X Super Bowl champion/MVP & likely Canton inductee sometime soon. DJ will likely be a backup QB next year.

Then again, Eli & DJ look alike/both played under Cutliffe so, ya know.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/6/2022 7:55 pm : link
Also, Eli was apparently Wellington's last major decision as owner. I can see why John would be sentimental to Eli.

DJ? I am at a loss.
RE: RE: I still wouldn't sleep on  
jvm52106 : 8/6/2022 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15773338 Section331 said:
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Jimmy G to the Giants and here is one HUGE reason on the 9ers side of things.

They will have to trade Jimmy or cut him. If they cut him NOBODY will claim that salary. This he is a free agent and ripe for the Rams to sign. The 9ers may take far less for him and even pay some $$$$ to make sure he doesn't end up with the Rams.

I am not saying we should but, at this point Jones is Jones. He will do enough to tease here and there but never enough for he himself to be the difference on the winning side. Truthfully, outside of his solid performances against Washington over the years, his W/L record would look even more putrid than it does already.




Why are the Rams signing Jimmy G, and an even bigger question, why is Jimmy G signing where he has no chance to start? Plus, why would SF care that Jimmy G is going anywhere to be a backup?


Stafford has an elbow injury that has the team concerned.
RE: Section125.  
section125 : 8/6/2022 8:29 pm : link
In comment 15773417 Producer said:
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I have great respect for your viewpoint but I have to disagree. There is no chance that what Jones faces now is as intense as what he will face from the Packers and Ravens in October or from the Cowboys, Eagles and Commanders toward the end of the season.

We too often get in the mode of treating Daniel Jones as some kind of science project. Training camp isn't a place where the QB is completely lost because the competition is too stiff and then he eventually figures it out.


Well, we will disagree. The offense by that time will be in place. None of the teams you mention will be blitzing almost every down. Hugh difference between trying to install an offense vs running it and a Martindale defense vs a regular defense.

It is at this point a science project, it absolutely is. Again, I am not thinking Jones is the answer. But being dismissive of what the defense is doing in camp vs what the offense is trying to learn is naïve. Much easier to pin your ears back and attack, then to attack a defense with out game planning for it.

We are probably seeing this from a different POV. We can revisit Aug 22nd or so.
thank you Sy  
The Jake : 8/6/2022 9:39 pm : link
really excited to watch an actual defense this season, which will at least be something fun and interesting to root for.

as for the offense, TT will be starting by week 5. hopefully the season isn’t lost by then.

and LOL at letting Daniel Jones play the whole season if he continues to suck. tell that to the rest of the players. let’s use up another year of your careers to see if our FIFTH year QB can finally throw a TD pass in the red zone.
Wow- Thanks SY - getting excited - FINALLY!  
giantstock : 8/6/2022 9:50 pm : link
They are building the front lines - trying to win in the trenches. While this year is still a huge question at least long-term we feel confident we have two tackles. And it looks like the rookie at some point is going to be "a player."

If Jones fails then don't hold back and just use Taylor.
When Taylor is in with the ones  
AnnapolisMike : 8/6/2022 10:22 pm : link
I’ll believe Daboll is souring on Jones. Once again. You look at the reports across practices and Jones has generally been good.
RE: When Taylor is in with the ones  
OBJRoyal : 8/7/2022 5:34 am : link
In comment 15773621 AnnapolisMike said:
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I’ll believe Daboll is souring on Jones. Once again. You look at the reports across practices and Jones has generally been good.


Jones has generally been good?? not sure if thats what been reported. have may have good here or there, but it has sounded like its been the same DJ, with the same problems
Great effort Sy! Thanks.  
Lines of Scrimmage : 8/7/2022 6:28 am : link
At least some good pieces on the D side were left by the last regime. Wink's style will be fun to watch though they still need more pieces and depth. Williams is a big part of the future imv. Encouraging news on Thibs. Secondary may surprise though lacking in depth.

Offense is work in progress. My guess is BD is still throwing a lot of things into the mix and they will cut down over time.

The big surprise this year is they really emphasis the run. They have some good young pieces and its the first step back.

The focus is always on Jones but the Giants are not getting to where they want again until they start imposing their will on the OL and front 7. Hoping this year establishes a strong push to that objective and the QB situation will be addressed when they can strike.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: We haven't even had a preseason game yet  
section125 : 8/7/2022 7:43 am : link
In comment 15773492 bw in dc said:
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I am not looking for any more excuses for Jones. He is what he has been. Sy knows his shit and I believe him. But for Pete's sake get realistic. It is the 1st week of camp and the offense is trying to learn a new system. Receivers need to make the right reads and be on the same page as the QB. If the WR goes the wrong way, the QB is left holding the bag (or ball as it were).



If you trust Sy's judgment, it seems that most of these struggles he is witnessing by Jones are largely on Jones. And not a function of the new offense and the supporting cast.

It certainly doesn't sound like Taylor is struggling at the rate Jones is...

I think this is possibly morphing into an old fashioned QB controversy.


We both agree Jones isn't the answer. But this is morphing into the old saying that the most popular guy on a football team is the back up QB.

In both reports Sy has said something to the effect that Taylor looks smoother. I do think you need a bit of a gunslinger attitude to play QB and Jones does not have it - trusts what he sees and throw the ball.

I do think that Daboll will pull the plug on Jones by the end of camp if he is not making progress sufficient to give the team a chance to win. One player cannot curb the development of the rest of the team, especially when it is this young.
RE: Few takeaways from Sy and one admission  
joeinpa : 8/7/2022 7:52 am : link
In comment 15773205 Biteymax22 said:
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1) I had Thibs as Edge 3 (same as Sy) stemming from some character things we’ve all heard 3rd hand. To be blunt, I think this is the most wrong I’m going to have been about a guy in a while and I still had him as a top 10 pick. While Walker’s upside is enormous and Hutchinson is “clean”, I’m getting more and more of a feeling Thibs outplays them significantly this year and going forward.

2) With that being said, remember Thomas had offseason surgery, didn’t really participate in OTA’s and likely is further behind the team “rounding into form”. In 3 week I don’t think Thibs looks as good against him.

3) Make or break year for Jones. The odds have been and continue to be slim he makes it, with that being said its early in the preseason and he’s learning another new system. Still not optimistic though

4) I know that we lost Bradberry and Ryan but I’ve felt some were more negative towards or defense than they should be. We added a legit EDGE, have young players developing at that position and upgraded DC. Nothing against Graham, he doesn’t have the resume Wink does

5) It seems every year people forget Leonard Williams is a good player then remember again the second they see him play. He’s overpaid and on a bad contract, but that doesn’t mean he’s not a good player

6) The news on Ezedu and the OL depth by Sy are extremely encouraging. A better OL makes everyone else on O look better

7) It seems as if the Robinson hype needs to be real and KT needs to step up for this offense to be functional

8) Neal seems to be adjusting and we didn’t see a ton of splashes from Rookies, but there seem to be a lot playing big roles. Schoen seems to be making his mark quickly


Ending with thanking Sy as always. The beat is becoming filled with 3rd party Twitter journalists watering things down and sometimes giving conflicting info that makes it hard for fans to know what to believe. Its very nice to have a trained and trusted set of eyes reporting this to us.


Is having interest other than football a character issue? Or were there other issues I didn’t read or hear about?

Best case scenario for the future of this franchise  
gersh : 8/7/2022 9:50 am : link
Giants pick top 5 in the 2023 draft and hit on getting our franchise QB. There’s no middle ground on QBs. The other pieces are coming together. Winning a championship is the goal.
RE: Best case scenario for the future of this franchise  
FStubbs : 8/7/2022 11:00 am : link
In comment 15773754 gersh said:
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Giants pick top 5 in the 2023 draft and hit on getting our franchise QB. There’s no middle ground on QBs. The other pieces are coming together. Winning a championship is the goal.


Not to be pedantic, but the best scenario is Jones somehow figures it out and becomes a franchise QB.
Pat Tirana  
Carl in CT : 8/7/2022 1:28 pm : link
Write a piece about how well DJ played.
FStubbs  
gersh : 8/7/2022 1:40 pm : link
True. But even the optimistic of us see Jones’ ceiling as average NFL starter.
We can hope he can be a top 10 QB but that seems highly unlikely. Eli was a top 10 QB for most of his career with top 5 arguments at moments

The minimum a starting QB gets is around 30 mil/year. Which is why you need an elite QB (or at least top 10ish).
When the WR corps is barely mentioned in the review  
Thunderstruck27 : 8/7/2022 2:00 pm : link
it says all I need to know about them. We still have no playmakers on offense.
RE: When the WR corps is barely mentioned in the review  
Producer : 8/7/2022 2:08 pm : link
In comment 15773961 Thunderstruck27 said:
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it says all I need to know about them. We still have no playmakers on offense.


That's a ridiculous take. I'm sorry. Golladay has been an all-pro. Toney looks dynamic when he's on the field. Robinson has started strong. Shep is a solid receiver. No more excuses for DJ. The WR corps is fine.
RE: RE: When the WR corps is barely mentioned in the review  
Thunderstruck27 : 8/7/2022 2:12 pm : link
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it says all I need to know about them. We still have no playmakers on offense.



That's a ridiculous take. I'm sorry. Golladay has been an all-pro. Toney looks dynamic when he's on the field. Robinson has started strong. Shep is a solid receiver. No more excuses for DJ. The WR corps is fine.


Says the guy who only posts to bash Jones. Look who you're defending. None of these guys did anything when Jones wasn't on the field for the latter half of last season. They are also one of the highest paid units in the NFL. They have no responsibility for not being able to get into the endzone?
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Producer : 8/7/2022 2:21 pm : link
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it says all I need to know about them. We still have no playmakers on offense.



That's a ridiculous take. I'm sorry. Golladay has been an all-pro. Toney looks dynamic when he's on the field. Robinson has started strong. Shep is a solid receiver. No more excuses for DJ. The WR corps is fine.



Says the guy who only posts to bash Jones. Look who you're defending. None of these guys did anything when Jones wasn't on the field for the latter half of last season. They are also one of the highest paid units in the NFL. They have no responsibility for not being able to get into the endzone?


You would do well to focus on the argument and not on the person making it.

Of course, everyone bears responsibility for the anemic offense. But this is a talented group and in a few cases, a group with a track record. It's on Jones to make it work with these guys. Period. End of story. No more excuses.
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Thunderstruck27 : 8/7/2022 2:56 pm : link
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it says all I need to know about them. We still have no playmakers on offense.



That's a ridiculous take. I'm sorry. Golladay has been an all-pro. Toney looks dynamic when he's on the field. Robinson has started strong. Shep is a solid receiver. No more excuses for DJ. The WR corps is fine.



Says the guy who only posts to bash Jones. Look who you're defending. None of these guys did anything when Jones wasn't on the field for the latter half of last season. They are also one of the highest paid units in the NFL. They have no responsibility for not being able to get into the endzone?



You would do well to focus on the argument and not on the person making it.

Of course, everyone bears responsibility for the anemic offense. But this is a talented group and in a few cases, a group with a track record. It's on Jones to make it work with these guys. Period. End of story. No more excuses.


When the person making the argument and the argument become synonymous, what's the difference? Again...no WR played well last year, regardless of the QB on the field. In camp this year the only WR whose name is consistently hailed is a rookie... hopefully he is the difference maker. Unlike you with Jones..I hope you are right and last year was an aberration for this talented, and highly paid, group of receivers.
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giantstock : 8/7/2022 3:56 pm : link
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it says all I need to know about them. We still have no playmakers on offense.



That's a ridiculous take. I'm sorry. Golladay has been an all-pro. Toney looks dynamic when he's on the field. Robinson has started strong. Shep is a solid receiver. No more excuses for DJ. The WR corps is fine.


I agree with you for a change - I agree with you that this ais a big year for Jones. But to put in perspective your other notables:

1A--- Golladay "was" an ALL-Pro. Hearing SY speak of him he doesn't get separation. Maybe Golladay's best days are long gone?

1B-- More important; I agree with your context though but Golladay has to PLAY. He di play 14 games but I cna recall SY stating soem games he was playing at less than speed.

2---- Toney has to play. Shep has to play. Even Barkley has to play. '

If they are hurt - then it's a fact they suck. Sure Jones can suck too. But these guys have shown when thy are hurt- they suck too.

They are candidates to trade, cut or not sign long term when their next contract comes up because they have shown all that they can't remain healthy. Which is half the battle.

Sure dump Jones this year or during the season or end of season etc too if as SY seems to mention that Jones looks really bad.
I'm not worried about Neal  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 8/7/2022 5:53 pm : link

and I think we get Tyrod Taylor starting for the Giants around week 4. I'm also good with that.
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