I think there’s a good chance Lemieux is replaced by Ezeudu by the end of camp. My prediction right now, barring more injury is Thomas/Ezeudu/Feliciano/Glowinski/Neal and Lemieux the primary backup at all three interior positions.
Does seem to be trending that way, doesn't it. That Schoen had scouted Lemieux coming out of OU might mitigate against it because of familiarity, but it's obviously better for the OL and offense as a whole to get positions settled and allow time for chemistry, familiarity, and cohesion to develop.
And the fact that the option wasn't picked up is evidence #1. Right now Jones may still be the better option (of what we have based on size alone). But, if Jones doesn't play better soon I can see Taylor getting the shot at the job.
Overall, I have now completely soured on Jones. He just doesn't have it in him.
Jones needs to play significant minutes in the preseason games
Which is contrary to most teams starting QB’s in preseason.
He needs the reps in this new offense to get ready for the first regular season game.
This is in all likelihood his final season as a Giant.
I'm not worried about Neal. He's a rookie. AT struggled as a rookie too.
The ? I'd love to know is how much rope Daboll is going to give Jones. If he continues to struggle & TT looks better-granted against backups-what are we doing? I know the John factor, but if we're in the business of winning games...well, I don't know. I'm talking aloud. It is just concerning to see these reports about a QB going into his 4th season.
What’s the point really? Letting Tyrod Taylor win an extra couple of games would accomplish what? Unless Jones becomes an absolute disaster of 2020 Mike Glennon proportions, they might as well run him out there every week so they can say when they move on that they gave him every chance to succeed as a coaching staff.
RE: Jones needs to play significant minutes in the preseason games
Which is contrary to most teams starting QB’s in preseason.
He needs the reps in this new offense to get ready for the first regular season game.
This is in all likelihood his final season as a Giant.
I’d argue that the entire offense needs to play more than ones usually would in the preseason.
RE: RE: Jones needs to play significant minutes in the preseason games
Which is contrary to most teams starting QB’s in preseason.
He needs the reps in this new offense to get ready for the first regular season game.
This is in all likelihood his final season as a Giant.
I’d argue that the entire offense needs to play more than ones usually would in the preseason.
Feliciano should be limited immedidately. The drop off there if he has any more issues is too much...
I'm not worried about Neal. He's a rookie. AT struggled as a rookie too.
The ? I'd love to know is how much rope Daboll is going to give Jones. If he continues to struggle & TT looks better-granted against backups-what are we doing? I know the John factor, but if we're in the business of winning games...well, I don't know. I'm talking aloud. It is just concerning to see these reports about a QB going into his 4th season.
What’s the point really? Letting Tyrod Taylor win an extra couple of games would accomplish what? Unless Jones becomes an absolute disaster of 2020 Mike Glennon proportions, they might as well run him out there every week so they can say when they move on that they gave him every chance to succeed as a coaching staff.
Do you mean 2021? Glennon wasn't here in 2020, Colt McCoy was the backup then.
Any significant gain in the passing game would have easily been a sack in a real NFL game... KT would have had 2 sacks on him and Love would have had another... he holds the ball WAY too long... when he throws it quick, he almost threw a pick six to Adoree, Adoree dropped it. He was inaccurate and late to throw all night, which is the same observations I've had thus far through camp.
This has always been the problem with Jones, re: Golladay. He either doesn't know when and where to throw the ball to him, or he can't do it. That's why KG got angry in the Washington game. In that game Jones was holding the ball too long. Jones is scared to throw the ball into coverage, and by the time he throws it, it's late, and harder for KG to make the play. Jones is often late and inaccurate.
Great news about Thibs. Kid seems ahead of schedule.
I still can’t shake the early drive on a MNF last year in Tampa where he had a wide open KG inside the redzone with so much space he could have crawled into the end zone, but he threw a wildly inaccurate pass to his left to a very covered WR.
It's hard not to get too excited about Thibodeaux. I hope Ojulari can get back soon, because he and Thibs can be a "dynamic duo" the likes of which we haven't had around here in a long time. Honestly, it's hard not get excited about the defense overall.
The offense, well, for now it is what it is. I just hope they can play well enough so the defense isn't completely gassed by halftime.
Key point, Klaatu. Ojulari as the #1 is underwhelming. But Ojulari as the guy opposite a great pass rusher is strong. And I think we all may be underrating him a bit due to his assignments within Graham's scheme. He's more explosive than he showed last year.
1) I had Thibs as Edge 3 (same as Sy) stemming from some character things we’ve all heard 3rd hand. To be blunt, I think this is the most wrong I’m going to have been about a guy in a while and I still had him as a top 10 pick. While Walker’s upside is enormous and Hutchinson is “clean”, I’m getting more and more of a feeling Thibs outplays them significantly this year and going forward.
2) With that being said, remember Thomas had offseason surgery, didn’t really participate in OTA’s and likely is further behind the team “rounding into form”. In 3 week I don’t think Thibs looks as good against him.
3) Make or break year for Jones. The odds have been and continue to be slim he makes it, with that being said its early in the preseason and he’s learning another new system. Still not optimistic though
4) I know that we lost Bradberry and Ryan but I’ve felt some were more negative towards or defense than they should be. We added a legit EDGE, have young players developing at that position and upgraded DC. Nothing against Graham, he doesn’t have the resume Wink does
5) It seems every year people forget Leonard Williams is a good player then remember again the second they see him play. He’s overpaid and on a bad contract, but that doesn’t mean he’s not a good player
6) The news on Ezedu and the OL depth by Sy are extremely encouraging. A better OL makes everyone else on O look better
7) It seems as if the Robinson hype needs to be real and KT needs to step up for this offense to be functional
8) Neal seems to be adjusting and we didn’t see a ton of splashes from Rookies, but there seem to be a lot playing big roles. Schoen seems to be making his mark quickly
Ending with thanking Sy as always. The beat is becoming filled with 3rd party Twitter journalists watering things down and sometimes giving conflicting info that makes it hard for fans to know what to believe. Its very nice to have a trained and trusted set of eyes reporting this to us.
I really want him to be “the guy” for the Giants, but it is appearing unlikely as time goes. QB is the most important position, and it is very difficult to hit at that position. It just sounds like we may be in the QB market come draft time. Selecting a quarterback is like rolling dice. I would’ve preferred for Jones to be successful, so the Giants would not have to put more resources at the QB position. I would’ve preferred to invest in cornerback, number one wide receiver. I’m just praying he turns it around.
coming from the University of Maine, I’m really pulling for Andre Miller. I just wanted to know your thoughts on Miller, Sy. I just find a very odd that they changed his position from WR to TE. Brian Daboll and Joe Shoen had seen something in him to do this. Rather small for a tight end, but do they see him as a situational mismatch?
have a great deal of respect for Sy, so it was disappointing to read his take on Jones. I have not been convinced either way on him but think he should be given a chance with new management/coaches and legitimate team talent. Of course hoping he would shine because that's the best outcome for the team. Still hoping.
I'm with you River Mike! Rooting for this young man. But I just can't shake my vision of him in the pocket. He stands tall; he stands strong; but... but... but... there's a noticeable lack of fluidity in his movement. And maybe a lack of recognition as to where he should slip and slide.
High-performing QBs just have a natural instinct about what they should do and where they should go when things go a little off schedule. Been watching a lot of Fran Tarkenton film from the Giants 1967 season. It just takes a few plays to notice how flexible and fluid he is in the pocket. Whether its "vision", "instinct" or something else, I don't quite know. But I'm afraid Daniel Jones just has a void in this aspect of his game.
And I agree with you. He has yet to show adequate pocket awarness. I dnon't know whether this issomething that can be developed with experience or whether you either got it or you ain't. I am old enough to have seen Tarkenton play. He seemed to have 360 degree vision and incredible escapability. I don't think many, and certainly not DJ can achieve that level, but hopefully at least average.
I hope people caught one of the most important comments made by Sy... Aaron Robinson looks pretty good. Also, Feliciano.
That can’t be right. We’ve already come to the conclusion the Giants botched the center position THIS season because Gettleman fucked up the entire line LAST YEAR.
Wink is making it tough….even in practice. Defense dominating - ( New Window )
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The Giants faced a third-and-eight on the first series. Jones took the shotgun snap, gave a quick glance left, then came back right. Cornerback Darnay Holmes was there — an untouched blitzer. Jones is on the ground if wearing any color other than red. Instead, Holmes dodged his quarterback, the play continued, and Jones connected with rookie Wan’Dale Robinson for a 28-yard gain.
This "should have been" sack was entirely on Evan Neal, not Jones.
Neal gave up his blocking lane to make an unnecessary double team, leaving the lane wide open for Holmes.
Two things will determine whether Neal pans out: his feet and his awareness.
Encouraging about Tibs to look that good this early. Could he be the steal of the draft?
Some concern with Neal but he is still a rookie.
Not liking what I am hearing about Jones. To think we used to call this guy "Dimes"...the inaccuracy is not what you want to hear. After reading what you put together I just think how long it will be before Taylor is the new starter. I am not a Jones hater but the kid has been given more than enough rope. We will see as the camp and preseason games progress.
I'm not worried about Neal. He's a rookie. AT struggled as a rookie too.
The ? I'd love to know is how much rope Daboll is going to give Jones. If he continues to struggle & TT looks better-granted against backups-what are we doing? I know the John factor, but if we're in the business of winning games...well, I don't know. I'm talking aloud. It is just concerning to see these reports about a QB going into his 4th season.
What’s the point really? Letting Tyrod Taylor win an extra couple of games would accomplish what? Unless Jones becomes an absolute disaster of 2020 Mike Glennon proportions, they might as well run him out there every week so they can say when they move on that they gave him every chance to succeed as a coaching staff.
Here is an answer, Tyrod is under contract for two years. If he takes over he is the incumbent next year to lead a rookie forward before being supplanted. Jones is pretty much assured of not being here next year.
Wink is making it tough….even in practice. Defense dominating - ( New Window )
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The Giants faced a third-and-eight on the first series. Jones took the shotgun snap, gave a quick glance left, then came back right. Cornerback Darnay Holmes was there — an untouched blitzer. Jones is on the ground if wearing any color other than red. Instead, Holmes dodged his quarterback, the play continued, and Jones connected with rookie Wan’Dale Robinson for a 28-yard gain.
This "should have been" sack was entirely on Evan Neal, not Jones.
Neal gave up his blocking lane to make an unnecessary double team, leaving the lane wide open for Holmes.
Two things will determine whether Neal pans out: his feet and his awareness.
In this case, it was the latter that was lacking. nyg twitter - ( New Window )
Willioams and Martinez ran a stunt and he picked up Martinez....nobody was double teamed....he could have picked up Holmes, but then Martinez runs free....shouldnt jones recognize that there is going to be a free rusher before the snap and hit a hot read? im not an expert by any means, but thats what the replay shows.
As Eric notes, it seems that Jones still has the same problems he's always had, namely that he doesn't process quickly enough and is too inaccurate. As I have said, I think this is the last year for Jones. But I don't see the Giants trading for Jimmy G. If Jones falters, they'll just go with Taylor.
It's also not encouraging that Slayton is now third string. Given that he doesn't play ST and the Giants could save $2.5M by trading or cutting him, I do wonder if he'll be on the roster on opening day.
Golladay not being able to separate except on slants is discouraging but not surprising. His is a terrible contract that the Giants may well rid themselves of next year.
Wink is making it tough….even in practice. Defense dominating - ( New Window )
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The Giants faced a third-and-eight on the first series. Jones took the shotgun snap, gave a quick glance left, then came back right. Cornerback Darnay Holmes was there — an untouched blitzer. Jones is on the ground if wearing any color other than red. Instead, Holmes dodged his quarterback, the play continued, and Jones connected with rookie Wan’Dale Robinson for a 28-yard gain.
This "should have been" sack was entirely on Evan Neal, not Jones.
Neal gave up his blocking lane to make an unnecessary double team, leaving the lane wide open for Holmes.
Two things will determine whether Neal pans out: his feet and his awareness.
In this case, it was the latter that was lacking. nyg twitter - ( New Window )
What are you talking about? Neal picked up the blitzing MLB perfectly. There was no double team, the OG took Williams.
I'm not worried about Neal. He's a rookie. AT struggled as a rookie too.
The ? I'd love to know is how much rope Daboll is going to give Jones. If he continues to struggle & TT looks better-granted against backups-what are we doing? I know the John factor, but if we're in the business of winning games...well, I don't know. I'm talking aloud. It is just concerning to see these reports about a QB going into his 4th season.
What’s the point really? Letting Tyrod Taylor win an extra couple of games would accomplish what? Unless Jones becomes an absolute disaster of 2020 Mike Glennon proportions, they might as well run him out there every week so they can say when they move on that they gave him every chance to succeed as a coaching staff.
Here is an answer, Tyrod is under contract for two years. If he takes over he is the incumbent next year to lead a rookie forward before being supplanted. Jones is pretty much assured of not being here next year.
If Jones is drowning out there after a few games part of his analysis in my opinion is how the team responds if Taylor comes in. I 've held off criticism of Jones and figure this is the year to tell for sure. But if he starts sinking I don't want to watch a whole year of what we ve been experiencing the past 5.
Better coach on D
Better talent in D and they should be able to pressure the QB for a change
Better coaching and scheme on O
Better talent/better OL
Running game should be improved
Jones is still Jones
We have a very competent back QB for a change who may see substantial time this year.
Not perfect, but so much better than this time last year.
We don't know what Jones is being asked out there, let it play out. He has two good practices and there are crickets on here, now a poor practice and the same old posters are all over him. Where were you this past week when he went 16-20 and 9-10?
I don't know if he will cut it or not, but making hard judgements based on an August practice in a new offense makes little sense.
basically the first team Offense and Defense out there?
Does it mean something when posters say Jones was "lights out" two days in row earlier this week, or when another player like Thibodeaux or Dex looks good?
It's Year 4 and just a couple weeks from the start of the season...when should it mean something for this QB?
[Holmes] did not have the feel for coverage against Robinson and Kadarius Toney the way Julian Love did. Love made anticipated breaks on the ball a couple of times and was fast enough for man coverage against all of the NYG receivers.
I've been skeptical of Love's speed, even at FS, let alone CB. Hope I've been wrong. But again, the qualifier that hangs over all these DB characterizations: they're going against a sub par group.
Sy has been telling us for years Love is too easily overlooked and he is better than you think. No not overly fast, but just where he should be all the time.
We don't know what Jones is being asked out there, let it play out. He has two good practices and there are crickets on here, now a poor practice and the same old posters are all over him. Where were you this past week when he went 16-20 and 9-10?
I don't know if he will cut it or not, but making hard judgements based on an August practice in a new offense makes little sense.
+1…. It’s overreaction Saturday Batman!!! Jones is playing against a defense that’s bringing pressure from everywhere and anywhere. So he will have practices like this. He’s going through a process here folks. He will not many, if any, defenses who’s as exotic at disguising pressures as ours. If Jones is doing this in the preseason or real games that’s one thing, but rough practices? He’ll get better as he goes along and getting more familiar with the system and players.
have a great deal of respect for Sy, so it was disappointing to read his take on Jones. I have not been convinced either way on him but think he should be given a chance with new management/coaches and legitimate team talent. Of course hoping he would shine because that's the best outcome for the team. Still hoping.
A potential positive might be Taylor, who may offer an improvement over Jones.
your reports are always the highlight of the week.
I thought the WRs would be better than we have had in a while with Toney healthy, Wan'Dale and a fully functional Golladay. Gosh, how bad Gettleman was at evaluating talent with that Golladay deal....
DJ might be having more trouble processing bc 1) brand new offense so thinking more than reacting, and 2) going against winks defenses can be confusing
If TT is the better option/gives us a better chance to win, then he should start. It is as simple as that to me. & perhaps PatersonPlank-who I respect as a poster-is right & a bunch of us are overreacting to last night/haven't even had a preseason game yet. But this just might be who DJ is as a QB. And if TT is the better option, then that tells me all I need to know about Jones' viability long term.
Wink is making it tough….even in practice. Defense dominating - ( New Window )
Fwiw Hughes is a big Jets fan and homer. I couldn't believe some of the stuff he'd written slobbering over Darnold a couple of years ago. I'd put little weight into anything he says about the Giants, especially if it's in contrast to what Sy is seeing.
Overall, I have now completely soured on Jones. He just doesn't have it in him.
He needs the reps in this new offense to get ready for the first regular season game.
This is in all likelihood his final season as a Giant.
The ? I'd love to know is how much rope Daboll is going to give Jones. If he continues to struggle & TT looks better-granted against backups-what are we doing? I know the John factor, but if we're in the business of winning games...well, I don't know. I'm talking aloud. It is just concerning to see these reports about a QB going into his 4th season.
What’s the point really? Letting Tyrod Taylor win an extra couple of games would accomplish what? Unless Jones becomes an absolute disaster of 2020 Mike Glennon proportions, they might as well run him out there every week so they can say when they move on that they gave him every chance to succeed as a coaching staff.
He needs the reps in this new offense to get ready for the first regular season game.
This is in all likelihood his final season as a Giant.
I’d argue that the entire offense needs to play more than ones usually would in the preseason.
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Which is contrary to most teams starting QB’s in preseason.
He needs the reps in this new offense to get ready for the first regular season game.
This is in all likelihood his final season as a Giant.
I’d argue that the entire offense needs to play more than ones usually would in the preseason.
Feliciano should be limited immedidately. The drop off there if he has any more issues is too much...
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I'm not worried about Neal. He's a rookie. AT struggled as a rookie too.
The ? I'd love to know is how much rope Daboll is going to give Jones. If he continues to struggle & TT looks better-granted against backups-what are we doing? I know the John factor, but if we're in the business of winning games...well, I don't know. I'm talking aloud. It is just concerning to see these reports about a QB going into his 4th season.
What’s the point really? Letting Tyrod Taylor win an extra couple of games would accomplish what? Unless Jones becomes an absolute disaster of 2020 Mike Glennon proportions, they might as well run him out there every week so they can say when they move on that they gave him every chance to succeed as a coaching staff.
Do you mean 2021? Glennon wasn't here in 2020, Colt McCoy was the backup then.
Same goes for Feliciano...as Lawrence and Williams are solid.
Jones must be accurate....he will never be quick. He must improve.
The corners know our WRs and have seen too many of our routes....will hold judgment until they play other teams.
Keep improving
Do you mean 2021? Glennon wasn't here in 2020, Colt McCoy was the backup then.
Yeah, my mistake.
Daniel Jones QB play is worrisome
Great news about Thibs. Kid seems ahead of schedule.
I still can’t shake the early drive on a MNF last year in Tampa where he had a wide open KG inside the redzone with so much space he could have crawled into the end zone, but he threw a wildly inaccurate pass to his left to a very covered WR.
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I hope people caught one of the most important comments made by Sy... Aaron Robinson looks pretty good. Also, Feliciano.
also, you get the feel that it's going to be a monster year for Dexter Lawrence.
It's a contract year, he's going to Lawrence WIlliams s*** up.
The offense, well, for now it is what it is. I just hope they can play well enough so the defense isn't completely gassed by halftime.
Key point, Klaatu. Ojulari as the #1 is underwhelming. But Ojulari as the guy opposite a great pass rusher is strong. And I think we all may be underrating him a bit due to his assignments within Graham's scheme. He's more explosive than he showed last year.
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2) With that being said, remember Thomas had offseason surgery, didn’t really participate in OTA’s and likely is further behind the team “rounding into form”. In 3 week I don’t think Thibs looks as good against him.
3) Make or break year for Jones. The odds have been and continue to be slim he makes it, with that being said its early in the preseason and he’s learning another new system. Still not optimistic though
4) I know that we lost Bradberry and Ryan but I’ve felt some were more negative towards or defense than they should be. We added a legit EDGE, have young players developing at that position and upgraded DC. Nothing against Graham, he doesn’t have the resume Wink does
5) It seems every year people forget Leonard Williams is a good player then remember again the second they see him play. He’s overpaid and on a bad contract, but that doesn’t mean he’s not a good player
6) The news on Ezedu and the OL depth by Sy are extremely encouraging. A better OL makes everyone else on O look better
7) It seems as if the Robinson hype needs to be real and KT needs to step up for this offense to be functional
8) Neal seems to be adjusting and we didn’t see a ton of splashes from Rookies, but there seem to be a lot playing big roles. Schoen seems to be making his mark quickly
Ending with thanking Sy as always. The beat is becoming filled with 3rd party Twitter journalists watering things down and sometimes giving conflicting info that makes it hard for fans to know what to believe. Its very nice to have a trained and trusted set of eyes reporting this to us.
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have a great deal of respect for Sy, so it was disappointing to read his take on Jones. I have not been convinced either way on him but think he should be given a chance with new management/coaches and legitimate team talent. Of course hoping he would shine because that's the best outcome for the team. Still hoping.
I'm with you River Mike! Rooting for this young man. But I just can't shake my vision of him in the pocket. He stands tall; he stands strong; but... but... but... there's a noticeable lack of fluidity in his movement. And maybe a lack of recognition as to where he should slip and slide.
High-performing QBs just have a natural instinct about what they should do and where they should go when things go a little off schedule. Been watching a lot of Fran Tarkenton film from the Giants 1967 season. It just takes a few plays to notice how flexible and fluid he is in the pocket. Whether its "vision", "instinct" or something else, I don't quite know. But I'm afraid Daniel Jones just has a void in this aspect of his game.
And I agree with you. He has yet to show adequate pocket awarness. I dnon't know whether this issomething that can be developed with experience or whether you either got it or you ain't. I am old enough to have seen Tarkenton play. He seemed to have 360 degree vision and incredible escapability. I don't think many, and certainly not DJ can achieve that level, but hopefully at least average.
That can’t be right. We’ve already come to the conclusion the Giants botched the center position THIS season because Gettleman fucked up the entire line LAST YEAR.
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This "should have been" sack was entirely on Evan Neal, not Jones.
Neal gave up his blocking lane to make an unnecessary double team, leaving the lane wide open for Holmes.
Two things will determine whether Neal pans out: his feet and his awareness.
In this case, it was the latter that was lacking.
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On another view, maybe too hard on Neal. Offense didn't have enough guys to block.
But would like to see his head more on a swivel. Hernandez never fixed his problem with awareness of blitzers.
Some concern with Neal but he is still a rookie.
Not liking what I am hearing about Jones. To think we used to call this guy "Dimes"...the inaccuracy is not what you want to hear. After reading what you put together I just think how long it will be before Taylor is the new starter. I am not a Jones hater but the kid has been given more than enough rope. We will see as the camp and preseason games progress.
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I'm not worried about Neal. He's a rookie. AT struggled as a rookie too.
The ? I'd love to know is how much rope Daboll is going to give Jones. If he continues to struggle & TT looks better-granted against backups-what are we doing? I know the John factor, but if we're in the business of winning games...well, I don't know. I'm talking aloud. It is just concerning to see these reports about a QB going into his 4th season.
What’s the point really? Letting Tyrod Taylor win an extra couple of games would accomplish what? Unless Jones becomes an absolute disaster of 2020 Mike Glennon proportions, they might as well run him out there every week so they can say when they move on that they gave him every chance to succeed as a coaching staff.
Here is an answer, Tyrod is under contract for two years. If he takes over he is the incumbent next year to lead a rookie forward before being supplanted. Jones is pretty much assured of not being here next year.
The Giants are not going to throw away yet another season just to hope he gets his head right.
Fingers crossed he gets his game together in the next month.
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Wink is making it tough….even in practice. Defense dominating - ( New Window )
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The Giants faced a third-and-eight on the first series. Jones took the shotgun snap, gave a quick glance left, then came back right. Cornerback Darnay Holmes was there — an untouched blitzer. Jones is on the ground if wearing any color other than red. Instead, Holmes dodged his quarterback, the play continued, and Jones connected with rookie Wan’Dale Robinson for a 28-yard gain.
This "should have been" sack was entirely on Evan Neal, not Jones.
Neal gave up his blocking lane to make an unnecessary double team, leaving the lane wide open for Holmes.
Two things will determine whether Neal pans out: his feet and his awareness.
In this case, it was the latter that was lacking. nyg twitter - ( New Window )
Willioams and Martinez ran a stunt and he picked up Martinez....nobody was double teamed....he could have picked up Holmes, but then Martinez runs free....shouldnt jones recognize that there is going to be a free rusher before the snap and hit a hot read? im not an expert by any means, but thats what the replay shows.
As Eric notes, it seems that Jones still has the same problems he's always had, namely that he doesn't process quickly enough and is too inaccurate. As I have said, I think this is the last year for Jones. But I don't see the Giants trading for Jimmy G. If Jones falters, they'll just go with Taylor.
It's also not encouraging that Slayton is now third string. Given that he doesn't play ST and the Giants could save $2.5M by trading or cutting him, I do wonder if he'll be on the roster on opening day.
Golladay not being able to separate except on slants is discouraging but not surprising. His is a terrible contract that the Giants may well rid themselves of next year.
Good to hear about A. Robinson, KT, and Gilbert.
Hope McKeathen is OK.
I'm tired of this team starting out poorly, tired of the season being over in October.
If Tyrod Taylor gives the Giants a better chance to win, and its sounding more & more like he does, start him.
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Wink is making it tough….even in practice. Defense dominating - ( New Window )
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The Giants faced a third-and-eight on the first series. Jones took the shotgun snap, gave a quick glance left, then came back right. Cornerback Darnay Holmes was there — an untouched blitzer. Jones is on the ground if wearing any color other than red. Instead, Holmes dodged his quarterback, the play continued, and Jones connected with rookie Wan’Dale Robinson for a 28-yard gain.
This "should have been" sack was entirely on Evan Neal, not Jones.
Neal gave up his blocking lane to make an unnecessary double team, leaving the lane wide open for Holmes.
Two things will determine whether Neal pans out: his feet and his awareness.
In this case, it was the latter that was lacking. nyg twitter - ( New Window )
What are you talking about? Neal picked up the blitzing MLB perfectly. There was no double team, the OG took Williams.
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I'm not worried about Neal. He's a rookie. AT struggled as a rookie too.
The ? I'd love to know is how much rope Daboll is going to give Jones. If he continues to struggle & TT looks better-granted against backups-what are we doing? I know the John factor, but if we're in the business of winning games...well, I don't know. I'm talking aloud. It is just concerning to see these reports about a QB going into his 4th season.
What’s the point really? Letting Tyrod Taylor win an extra couple of games would accomplish what? Unless Jones becomes an absolute disaster of 2020 Mike Glennon proportions, they might as well run him out there every week so they can say when they move on that they gave him every chance to succeed as a coaching staff.
Here is an answer, Tyrod is under contract for two years. If he takes over he is the incumbent next year to lead a rookie forward before being supplanted. Jones is pretty much assured of not being here next year.
to each their own I guess....
What are you talking about? Neal picked up the blitzing MLB perfectly. There was no double team, the OG took Williams.
Right, see my second post immediately after my first one.
Better coach on D
Better talent in D and they should be able to pressure the QB for a change
Better coaching and scheme on O
Better talent/better OL
Running game should be improved
Jones is still Jones
We have a very competent back QB for a change who may see substantial time this year.
Not perfect, but so much better than this time last year.
Let the Tyrod Taylor era begin.
I don't know if he will cut it or not, but making hard judgements based on an August practice in a new offense makes little sense.
Anyone know if the Giants are doing joint practices this year with any of the preseason team?
Means absolutely nothing.
Anyone know if the Giants are doing joint practices this year with any of the preseason team?
I believe they have practices with the Jets later this month
Does it mean something when posters say Jones was "lights out" two days in row earlier this week, or when another player like Thibodeaux or Dex looks good?
It's Year 4 and just a couple weeks from the start of the season...when should it mean something for this QB?
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[Holmes] did not have the feel for coverage against Robinson and Kadarius Toney the way Julian Love did. Love made anticipated breaks on the ball a couple of times and was fast enough for man coverage against all of the NYG receivers.
I've been skeptical of Love's speed, even at FS, let alone CB. Hope I've been wrong. But again, the qualifier that hangs over all these DB characterizations: they're going against a sub par group.
Sy has been telling us for years Love is too easily overlooked and he is better than you think. No not overly fast, but just where he should be all the time.
I don't know if he will cut it or not, but making hard judgements based on an August practice in a new offense makes little sense.
+1…. It’s overreaction Saturday Batman!!! Jones is playing against a defense that’s bringing pressure from everywhere and anywhere. So he will have practices like this. He’s going through a process here folks. He will not many, if any, defenses who’s as exotic at disguising pressures as ours. If Jones is doing this in the preseason or real games that’s one thing, but rough practices? He’ll get better as he goes along and getting more familiar with the system and players.
A potential positive might be Taylor, who may offer an improvement over Jones.
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Really appreciate you doing these.
Anyone know if the Giants are doing joint practices this year with any of the preseason team?
I believe they have practices with the Jets later this month
Thanks Sy
(2) He's not accurate enough (this is on him).
It was interesting that Shaun O'Hara went out of his way to basically say, "despite all of his faults, Jones is very accurate."
I get that O'Hara works for the Giants but he was saying that DJ has serious deficits but accuracy isn't one of them.
He could've picked any other attribute like work ethic, speed, toughness but he settled on accuracy.
I thought the WRs would be better than we have had in a while with Toney healthy, Wan'Dale and a fully functional Golladay. Gosh, how bad Gettleman was at evaluating talent with that Golladay deal....
Fwiw Hughes is a big Jets fan and homer. I couldn't believe some of the stuff he'd written slobbering over Darnold a couple of years ago. I'd put little weight into anything he says about the Giants, especially if it's in contrast to what Sy is seeing.