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Monday NYG Training Camp Updates - Sy'56 at camp today

Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/8/2022 7:36 am


Monday, August 8, 2022

Offensive Coordinator Mike Kafka – Approx. 9:30 a.m.

Defensive Coordinator Wink Martindale – Approx. 9:40 a.m.

Special Teams Coordinator Thomas McGaughey – Approx. 9:50 a.m.

Practice – 10:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m.

Players Available – Approx. 12:10 p.m.



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RE: Maybe it wasn't so wise to pit all our eggs  
PatersonPlank : 8/8/2022 1:14 pm : link
In comment 15774798 Producer said:
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in the DJ basket for yet another season. Might have been good to spend a 3rd on lottery ticket QB.


Why, thats what they brought in Tyrod for. It seems pretty well thought out if you ask me. Jones can't cut it, play an acceptable journeyman QB this season instead (not a bum like Glennon), get a high draft pick next year and try to find a QB again
Do you think there could be  
section125 : 8/8/2022 1:17 pm : link
a market for trading Jones? Would save about $4.1 mill if traded with a $4.2 dead money hit.
Roll with Taylor and Webb.
RE: RE: Maybe it wasn't so wise to pit all our eggs  
Producer : 8/8/2022 1:19 pm : link
In comment 15774800 PatersonPlank said:
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in the DJ basket for yet another season. Might have been good to spend a 3rd on lottery ticket QB.



Why, thats what they brought in Tyrod for. It seems pretty well thought out if you ask me. Jones can't cut it, play an acceptable journeyman QB this season instead (not a bum like Glennon), get a high draft pick next year and try to find a QB again


It wouldn't be my choice. We know what Taylor is. I'd rather add one of the QBs that came out and throw him into the fire. Wiklis, Ridder, Corral, Howell or Strong. At least they still have upside. And if they fail you get a top 3 pick.
RE: Do you think there could be  
christian : 8/8/2022 1:20 pm : link
In comment 15774803 section125 said:
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a market for trading Jones? Would save about $4.1 mill if traded with a $4.2 dead money hit.
Roll with Taylor and Webb.


Jones’s roster bonus was paid on Friday. There would be less than 1M in cap savings if he’s traded now.
RE: Do you think there could be  
Producer : 8/8/2022 1:20 pm : link
In comment 15774803 section125 said:
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a market for trading Jones? Would save about $4.1 mill if traded with a $4.2 dead money hit.
Roll with Taylor and Webb.


Does that mean the buying team pays $4M approx. If do then I think not.
RE: RE: Maybe it wasn't so wise to pit all our eggs  
jvm52106 : 8/8/2022 1:20 pm : link
In comment 15774800 PatersonPlank said:
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in the DJ basket for yet another season. Might have been good to spend a 3rd on lottery ticket QB.



Why, thats what they brought in Tyrod for. It seems pretty well thought out if you ask me. Jones can't cut it, play an acceptable journeyman QB this season instead (not a bum like Glennon), get a high draft pick next year and try to find a QB again


I will say that your point about practice needs to be taken a bit deeper tough. Every bad throw, every int etc is a play taken away from the receiver, the confidence of the offense and even the confidence of the QB. If you cannot have success in practice you sure won't be seeing success in the games.

Don't forget, while this is a new system for the offense, it is a new system for the defense too.
RE: RE: RE: Maybe it wasn't so wise to pit all our eggs  
section125 : 8/8/2022 1:27 pm : link
In comment 15774809 jvm52106 said:
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Don't forget, while this is a new system for the offense, it is a new system for the defense too.


It is, but nobody really gives a crap when the defense gets blown up in camp or if a player screws up. Especially when the defense just attacks - it looks great and is really hard for the offense to be consistent.
On top of that, the defense has better players all around.
JFC...  
bw in dc : 8/8/2022 1:28 pm : link
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•Daniel Jones & passing offense overall was brutal today


Would Jones be better if the NFL had a "5 Mississippi Rule" so he could have more time to read, process and decide?
Bad enough when the sentiment from a practice is the QB/Offense  
Jimmy Googs : 8/8/2022 1:31 pm : link
struggled some.

But when we hear comments like "brutal"...
RE: Bad enough when the sentiment from a practice is the QB/Offense  
broadbandz : 8/8/2022 1:35 pm : link
In comment 15774826 Jimmy Googs said:
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struggled some.

But when we hear comments like "brutal"...


Think the neck injury was way worse. Heard early in camp his throwing motion changed but havent heard much more. He was never "brutal" in his other pre season snaps. Something way off here.
RE: RE: RE: M.S.  
Milton : 8/8/2022 1:36 pm : link
In comment 15774567 Klaatu said:
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Still, I'm of the mind that you should draft OL's every year, not necessarily with premium picks, but with mid-to-late rounders worth developing.
I get that mindset, but when you draft three OL in a draft, it's okay to forego OL in the following draft. There's always the undrafted pool to pick from and you'll be more attractive to an undrafted prospect if he sees you didn't draft any.
RE: Bad enough when the sentiment from a practice is the QB/Offense  
bw in dc : 8/8/2022 1:37 pm : link
In comment 15774826 Jimmy Googs said:
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struggled some.

But when we hear comments like "brutal"...


I hope Daboll make Jones play every preseason game because he simply needs to. Seeing Jones under live fire really needs to be the next step in the assessment here.

I said it last week - we could seriously have a QB controversy on our hands here. We are reading from mulitiple sources that Taylor looks like a more competent QB right now to run the offense...
Really encoring stuff on D  
Lines of Scrimmage : 8/8/2022 1:37 pm : link
from some of the coaches. So happy to have Wink and he seems to think he has some really good talent here.

Just gonna let the Jones stuff play out in the games.

Here are the three matchups between the Bills and Ravens and Wink vs. DaBoll

1/18 Allen 6/15 74 yds. Buffalo Total Yards: 153
1/19 Allen 17/39 146 yds. TY: 209
1/21: Allen 23/37 206 yds. TY: 220

Based on all the positive defensive stuff just maybe they are pretty damn good and Wink is a PIA to play against.
Bad day for the  
Alamo : 8/8/2022 1:37 pm : link
I wish I had one dollar for every time someone berates Jones..Is he going against the 1st team "D" ??And as we all know,but forget that the Defence is ALWAYS ahead of the offense..Especially when the offense being installed is all new to the entire group of players..If you took the RED jerseys off of the 3 QB's,they would be in the hospital.Plus,#5 rookie is a monster/godzilla,and he eats human QB's
like M&M candies..Cool it with the crap against ALL the players on the offense..After the 3rd pre-season game,we will have s better idea what to expect come the 1st real game..I just hope the Defence plays like or better then now,when the season starts..I will be thrilled to death,to say the least..
RE: I can't believe it's game week already.  
5BowlsSoon : 8/8/2022 1:43 pm : link
In comment 15774429 bLiTz 2k said:
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Anyone else think Taylor and Webb are going to be running for their lives Thursday? The OL depth is going to be a problem all preseason IMO.


Just when you think you are over this……
I don't care too much about what Jones does in practice  
sb from NYT Forum : 8/8/2022 1:45 pm : link
I am more interested in how he does in preseason games.

Right now he is running new plays and working with new receivers and the offense is learning what works and what doesn't.

Let's see how he does against real competition. If what we are seeing in practice carries over to preseason games then I will be concerned. As will the Giants I'm sure.
I wonder if Giants brass  
fkap : 8/8/2022 1:49 pm : link
put out the word to NOT start any sort of QB controversy or suffer losing access perks?

Seems like a prime situation to stir up a shit show
How many weeks into the season  
ajr2456 : 8/8/2022 1:52 pm : link
Is “running new plays” going to be the overarching excuse?
How many weeks into the season  
ajr2456 : 8/8/2022 1:52 pm : link
Is “running new plays” going to be the overarching excuse?
RE: ...  
Milton : 8/8/2022 1:55 pm : link
In comment 15774646 Eric from BBI said:
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It seems the Giants are practicing solely play-action in team drills today.
Hard to beat a defense with play action if they know it's coming. Kind of defeats the whole purpose. No wonder there are a ton of "sacks" today.
RE: The games will tell all we need to  
5BowlsSoon : 8/8/2022 1:56 pm : link
In comment 15774788 PatersonPlank said:
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know about Jones. Practice is practice, let the games play out and then see. I'm extremely confident that after the preseason Daboll will know what Jones can/cannot do, and he will make the appropriate decision to save his own skin. His job is aligned with winning football games, and I doubt he will be tied to anyone. Also frankly I am just interested in watching the games play out, and don't care who the right answer is.

IMO trying to make any decisions, and getting all worked up, from August practices is a huge waste of time. We just don't know enough about what is happening out there.


+1

Best and wisest post on this thread.
RE: Maybe it wasn't so wise to pit all our eggs  
GNewGiants : 8/8/2022 1:59 pm : link
In comment 15774798 Producer said:
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in the DJ basket for yet another season. Might have been good to spend a 3rd on lottery ticket QB.



If it were up to you - you would have drafted one with the 5th pick. The reason no one took any of these guys is they are not that good. And ALL 32 agreed - multiple times.
RE: RE: The games will tell all we need to  
Ron Johnson : 8/8/2022 2:06 pm : link
In comment 15774858 5BowlsSoon said:
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know about Jones. Practice is practice, let the games play out and then see. I'm extremely confident that after the preseason Daboll will know what Jones can/cannot do, and he will make the appropriate decision to save his own skin. His job is aligned with winning football games, and I doubt he will be tied to anyone. Also frankly I am just interested in watching the games play out, and don't care who the right answer is.

IMO trying to make any decisions, and getting all worked up, from August practices is a huge waste of time. We just don't know enough about what is happening out there.



+1

Best and wisest post on this thread.



This Daboll's free year. His fortunes are not tied to DJ. DJ will get a good long look, once and for all, so that a decision can be made. Taylor is there to be a competent backup if needed. He's not going to start unless Jones gets hurt.
I love how people jump to conclusions  
Rudy5757 : 8/8/2022 2:07 pm : link
on the O or D based on snipets from the press. They also said the Giants were working on play action most of the day. Its really hard to do a fake if the D knows its coming. Notice how they didnt post the Tyrod Taylor stats today. It certainly didnt sound like he had a good day either.

So many people rooting against DJ to be successful. Tyrod Taylor has had many opportunities as well with different teams and its proven he is not the answer either. So why would you want him starting???

Im pretty confident that the coaching staff will do whats best for the team. If they think Taylor gives them the best chance to win he will play. At thins point its clear DJ is the starter and Taylor is the backup. Nitpicking every throw and micro managing is not a good process. If DJ is not the answer we will know it pretty quickly as the season plays out. If thats the case its going to really suck for this team until we find the next QB.
I  
AcidTest : 8/8/2022 2:18 pm : link
assume that Miller will go on IR and that his season is therefore done.

It's too early to conclude that we have a "QB controversy" when we haven't even played any preseason games. But I doubt Daboll will hesitate to pull Jones if he struggles during the regular season. Nor should he.
RE: I love how people jump to conclusions  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/8/2022 2:20 pm : link
In comment 15774868 Rudy5757 said:
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So many people rooting against DJ to be successful. Tyrod Taylor has had many opportunities as well with different teams and its proven he is not the answer either. So why would you want him starting???


I don't think it's any more complicated than that we have seen Jones play almost 40 career games. The thing you know vs the thing you don't.
RE: I love how people jump to conclusions  
Jimmy Googs : 8/8/2022 2:26 pm : link
In comment 15774868 Rudy5757 said:
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If DJ is not the answer we will know it pretty quickly as the season plays out. If thats the case its going to really suck for this team until we find the next QB.


You are jumping pretty close to the others jumping to conclusions...
for all I know  
TJ : 8/8/2022 2:34 pm : link
coaches may have told Jones to let it fly. Preseason practice is not the same as game time. Jones may be throwing passes in practice that he would never throw in a game. I'll wait til I see an opponent on the field.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Maybe it wasn't so wise to pit all our eggs  
jvm52106 : 8/8/2022 2:40 pm : link
In comment 15774822 section125 said:
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Don't forget, while this is a new system for the offense, it is a new system for the defense too.



It is, but nobody really gives a crap when the defense gets blown up in camp or if a player screws up. Especially when the defense just attacks - it looks great and is really hard for the offense to be consistent.
On top of that, the defense has better players all around.


Ugh, no.. My point is, you can't use that it is new as an excuse for Jones when the entire team system is new. That excuse only goes so far and must also extend to the defense as well.
RE: How many weeks into the season  
bw in dc : 8/8/2022 2:46 pm : link
In comment 15774853 ajr2456 said:
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Is “running new plays” going to be the overarching excuse?


The list of excuses is very lengthy. And tiresome.

The QB can't hit in practice for crissakes. Practice is designed for the QB to succeed.

Now, if the reports were unanimous that the receivers were the overwhelming cause of Jones struggles than you have a place to go. Instead, we have accuracy/decision/technical issues from Jones that don't seem to go away.

Right now I have zero interest in watching another year of Jones playing QB. Zero.
RE: for all I know  
Jimmy Googs : 8/8/2022 2:48 pm : link
In comment 15774890 TJ said:
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coaches may have told Jones to let it fly. Preseason practice is not the same as game time. Jones may be throwing passes in practice that he would never throw in a game. I'll wait til I see an opponent on the field.


I would hope they are using the few team practices they get to give Jones throws they expect him to perform in games.

But I guess they could just be using practice to kill time in the day...
RE: RE: for all I know  
ajr2456 : 8/8/2022 2:51 pm : link
In comment 15774913 Jimmy Googs said:
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coaches may have told Jones to let it fly. Preseason practice is not the same as game time. Jones may be throwing passes in practice that he would never throw in a game. I'll wait til I see an opponent on the field.



I would hope they are using the few team practices they get to give Jones throws they expect him to perform in games.

But I guess they could just be using practice to kill time in the day...


This.
Folks  
Toth029 : 8/8/2022 2:57 pm : link
Wanting Taylor in have not watched his play from the past several years.

Can't wait until these preseason games start and we can see how offense looks prepared. Practicing PA plays seems odd in and of itself but I suppose he has his reasons. It never shines lightly on the stat sheet though. Sure didn't for Taylor and the second team either.
RE: RE: How many weeks into the season  
GNewGiants : 8/8/2022 2:57 pm : link
In comment 15774910 bw in dc said:
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Is “running new plays” going to be the overarching excuse?



The list of excuses is very lengthy. And tiresome.

The QB can't hit in practice for crissakes. Practice is designed for the QB to succeed.

Now, if the reports were unanimous that the receivers were the overwhelming cause of Jones struggles than you have a place to go. Instead, we have accuracy/decision/technical issues from Jones that don't seem to go away.

Right now I have zero interest in watching another year of Jones playing QB. Zero.


Then don’t and will see you next year :)
RE: RE: RE: How many weeks into the season  
Jimmy Googs : 8/8/2022 3:05 pm : link
In comment 15774926 GNewGiants said:
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Is “running new plays” going to be the overarching excuse?



The list of excuses is very lengthy. And tiresome.

The QB can't hit in practice for crissakes. Practice is designed for the QB to succeed.

Now, if the reports were unanimous that the receivers were the overwhelming cause of Jones struggles than you have a place to go. Instead, we have accuracy/decision/technical issues from Jones that don't seem to go away.

Right now I have zero interest in watching another year of Jones playing QB. Zero.



Then don’t and will see you next year :)


hmm...
RE: Bad day for the  
SirLoinOfBeef : 8/8/2022 3:07 pm : link
In comment 15774836 Alamo said:
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I wish I had one dollar for every time someone berates Jones..Is he going against the 1st team "D" ??And as we all know,but forget that the Defence is ALWAYS ahead of the offense..Especially when the offense being installed is all new to the entire group of players..If you took the RED jerseys off of the 3 QB's,they would be in the hospital.Plus,#5 rookie is a monster/godzilla,and he eats human QB's
like M&M candies..Cool it with the crap against ALL the players on the offense..After the 3rd pre-season game,we will have s better idea what to expect come the 1st real game..I just hope the Defence plays like or better then now,when the season starts..I will be thrilled to death,to say the least..


The defense will be going up against better offenses so...
Daniel Jones  
Jeffrey : 8/8/2022 3:12 pm : link
I hated the DG pick of Jones when it happened and have seen too many mistakes over the past four years to be optimistic about his future, BUT this is getting ridiculous--every throw at every practice is being dissected as if it is conclusive evidence of inevitable failure. Entirely unfair for a kid with his third head coach and third new offense. I want to be wrong about Jones, even if it means reluctantly giving DG credit for doing something right.
I hear what everyone is saying about...  
Dnew15 : 8/8/2022 3:12 pm : link
it's a new system...it's practice....

BUT - any coach I've ever played for makes decisions on who plays the games based on practice...I guess many believe that should go out the window for the NYG?

How bad does DJ have to be in practice and/or how good does T. Taylor have to be to pull the trigger on making a change?
....  
ryanmkeane : 8/8/2022 3:13 pm : link
no point in getting bent out of shape for camp performance. If Jones struggles early in games 1 or 2 of regular season they will go to Taylor, fairly simple if you ask me
RE: RE: for all I know  
TJ : 8/8/2022 3:39 pm : link
In comment 15774913 Jimmy Googs said:
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coaches may have told Jones to let it fly. Preseason practice is not the same as game time. Jones may be throwing passes in practice that he would never throw in a game. I'll wait til I see an opponent on the field.



I would hope they are using the few team practices they get to give Jones throws they expect him to perform in games.

But I guess they could just be using practice to kill time in the day...


Or they could have decided that throwing the ball away or adlib QB scrambling against a D that's not supposed to tackle is a waste of limited practice plays.
RE: Daniel Jones  
bw in dc : 8/8/2022 3:46 pm : link
In comment 15774948 Jeffrey said:
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I hated the DG pick of Jones when it happened and have seen too many mistakes over the past four years to be optimistic about his future, BUT this is getting ridiculous--every throw at every practice is being dissected as if it is conclusive evidence of inevitable failure. Entirely unfair for a kid with his third head coach and third new offense. I want to be wrong about Jones, even if it means reluctantly giving DG credit for doing something right.


I guess I'm crazy expecting the 6th pick in the draft - who was lauded, btw, for his so-called football intellect when we drafted him - to adjust quickly and make plays in practice.

Jones is the kid in the neighborhood who needs the training wheels on his bike for over a year because he just can't figure out how to ride the two-wheeler...
Jones lacks QB talent  
xman : 8/8/2022 3:51 pm : link
his arm is average and he is a reckless runner. Stevie Wonder could see the field better
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Maybe it wasn't so wise to pit all our eggs  
section125 : 8/8/2022 4:01 pm : link
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Don't forget, while this is a new system for the offense, it is a new system for the defense too.



It is, but nobody really gives a crap when the defense gets blown up in camp or if a player screws up. Especially when the defense just attacks - it looks great and is really hard for the offense to be consistent.
On top of that, the defense has better players all around.



Ugh, no.. My point is, you can't use that it is new as an excuse for Jones when the entire team system is new. That excuse only goes so far and must also extend to the defense as well.


No it doesn't. Two completely different situations. It is much easier for the defense, it is such a different system. Even if they make a mistake, you would not know it, I doubt the press knows it, only the coaching staff can see it. If the offense screws up, everyone can see it, especially the QB. I'm not arguing that Jones isn't screwing the pooch, certainly plain to all watching, since they are saying the same thing. And it is his M.O. all over again.
Has anyone, once, reported that the defense messed up a coverage or an assignment? (Maybe Sy can see defensive lapses)
RE: RE: RE: for all I know  
Jimmy Googs : 8/8/2022 4:16 pm : link
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coaches may have told Jones to let it fly. Preseason practice is not the same as game time. Jones may be throwing passes in practice that he would never throw in a game. I'll wait til I see an opponent on the field.



I would hope they are using the few team practices they get to give Jones throws they expect him to perform in games.

But I guess they could just be using practice to kill time in the day...



Or they could have decided that throwing the ball away or adlib QB scrambling against a D that's not supposed to tackle is a waste of limited practice plays.


Agreed, so let's focus on completing passes and executing successful offensive plays...
I think we can all see what's happening here.  
Producer : 8/8/2022 4:18 pm : link
For the first time he's not being coddled and shielded. It's what most of us asked for.
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knowledgetimmons : 8/8/2022 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15774857 Milton said:
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It seems the Giants are practicing solely play-action in team drills today.

Hard to beat a defense with play action if they know it's coming. Kind of defeats the whole purpose. No wonder there are a ton of "sacks" today.


This is a ridiculous take, when i won the rock paper scissors tournament of 44AD, all i had to do was keep throwing rocks at the competition. Worked out just fine.
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jvm52106 : 8/8/2022 4:25 pm : link
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Don't forget, while this is a new system for the offense, it is a new system for the defense too.



It is, but nobody really gives a crap when the defense gets blown up in camp or if a player screws up. Especially when the defense just attacks - it looks great and is really hard for the offense to be consistent.
On top of that, the defense has better players all around.



Ugh, no.. My point is, you can't use that it is new as an excuse for Jones when the entire team system is new. That excuse only goes so far and must also extend to the defense as well.



No it doesn't. Two completely different situations. It is much easier for the defense, it is such a different system. Even if they make a mistake, you would not know it, I doubt the press knows it, only the coaching staff can see it. If the offense screws up, everyone can see it, especially the QB. I'm not arguing that Jones isn't screwing the pooch, certainly plain to all watching, since they are saying the same thing. And it is his M.O. all over again.
Has anyone, once, reported that the defense messed up a coverage or an assignment? (Maybe Sy can see defensive lapses)


Dude, you are killing me. My point for the second time is if the defense if new and possibly making mistakes that would in essence give teh offense SOME positive plays. BUT, we are seeing a defense dominate the offense and the QB missing throws and getting picked. If both sides are new, both will have growing pains. Why is it the Offense can't seem to take advantage of the growing pains of the defense.

Its one thing to be objective and another to just blindly defend what is clearly bad play by Jones. His play, which has mirrored his play for years isn't just practice or new scheme, it is who he is.
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Rudy5757 : 8/8/2022 5:02 pm : link
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Don't forget, while this is a new system for the offense, it is a new system for the defense too.



It is, but nobody really gives a crap when the defense gets blown up in camp or if a player screws up. Especially when the defense just attacks - it looks great and is really hard for the offense to be consistent.
On top of that, the defense has better players all around.



Ugh, no.. My point is, you can't use that it is new as an excuse for Jones when the entire team system is new. That excuse only goes so far and must also extend to the defense as well.



No it doesn't. Two completely different situations. It is much easier for the defense, it is such a different system. Even if they make a mistake, you would not know it, I doubt the press knows it, only the coaching staff can see it. If the offense screws up, everyone can see it, especially the QB. I'm not arguing that Jones isn't screwing the pooch, certainly plain to all watching, since they are saying the same thing. And it is his M.O. all over again.
Has anyone, once, reported that the defense messed up a coverage or an assignment? (Maybe Sy can see defensive lapses)



Dude, you are killing me. My point for the second time is if the defense if new and possibly making mistakes that would in essence give teh offense SOME positive plays. BUT, we are seeing a defense dominate the offense and the QB missing throws and getting picked. If both sides are new, both will have growing pains. Why is it the Offense can't seem to take advantage of the growing pains of the defense.

Its one thing to be objective and another to just blindly defend what is clearly bad play by Jones. His play, which has mirrored his play for years isn't just practice or new scheme, it is who he is.


The D knew that today was play action day, everything was done out of play action from the reports. It makes sense that the D was going to be better than the O today. DBs can sit on the pass imo.

I'll bet if you ask around the league, Winks style of D is very hard to attack from an offensive standpoint.
RE: RE: How many weeks into the season  
djm : 8/8/2022 6:53 pm : link
In comment 15774910 bw in dc said:
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Is “running new plays” going to be the overarching excuse?



The list of excuses is very lengthy. And tiresome.

The QB can't hit in practice for crissakes. Practice is designed for the QB to succeed.

Now, if the reports were unanimous that the receivers were the overwhelming cause of Jones struggles than you have a place to go. Instead, we have accuracy/decision/technical issues from Jones that don't seem to go away.

Right now I have zero interest in watching another year of Jones playing QB. Zero.


Hang in there. You’re gonna be ok.
RE: RE: RE: ...  
Milton : 8/8/2022 7:19 pm : link
In comment 15775024 knowledgetimmons said:
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Hard to beat a defense with play action if they know it's coming. Kind of defeats the whole purpose. No wonder there are a ton of "sacks" today.



This is a ridiculous take, when i won the rock paper scissors tournament of 44AD, all i had to do was keep throwing rocks at the competition. Worked out just fine.
Of course you did, paper was not yet invented. But pass rushing is currently alive and well, so when the rushers knows you are throwing the ball, wasting precious moments turning your back to them and faking a hand off is a formula for getting your QB killed.
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