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Monday, August 8, 2022
Offensive Coordinator Mike Kafka – Approx. 9:30 a.m.
Defensive Coordinator Wink Martindale – Approx. 9:40 a.m.
Special Teams Coordinator Thomas McGaughey – Approx. 9:50 a.m.
Practice – 10:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m.
Players Available – Approx. 12:10 p.m.
Anyone else think Taylor and Webb are going to be running for their lives Thursday? The OL depth is going to be a problem all preseason IMO.
Anyone else think Taylor and Webb are going to be running for their lives Thursday? The OL depth is going to be a problem all preseason IMO.
Just preseason?
Nobody has a good 2nd string OL and you certainly cant expect quality there.
LT Thomas
LG Lemieux
C Feliciano
RG Glowinski
RT Neal (growing pains, but should be adequate in pass pro and well above average in run game in year 1)
Ezeudu
Garcia
While Cunningham, Gono and McKeathan are injured, I am not sure they are of a greater caliber than whatever their replacements will end up being. This is generally the state of affairs in the NFL for 8th-10th linemen on a roster.
What I am getting from this, is since they will be playing behind the 2nd stringers and our depth is suspect he is worried about them getting pummeled on Thursday night.
Hopefully Daniel starts to at least begin showing some God damn development finally
Anyone else think Taylor and Webb are going to be running for their lives Thursday? The OL depth is going to be a problem all preseason IMO.
What teams in the NFL have great OL depth???? Most teams cant fill out 5 solid starters and we are talking about quality depth??? You want a solid line, here is rule #1 through 10 - keep your starters healthy. Cause when even one guy goes down, that can bring the whole thing down.
My snarky remark was in the context of the O-Line… and that “depth” would not necessarily be just a pre-season issue.
Definitely don’t think the starting O-Line is bad. I’ve said before that I feel a lot better about our O-Line than what we’ve trotted out there for the past decade. But I think Schoen/Daboll need to do more work on depth in the 2023 off-season.
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Kafka said his background as a QB helps him calling plays. His first priority is to get it in fast and clear to the QB. He admits sometimes he gets too amped up.
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#Giants Kafka - jones doing "a phenomenal job" of working with this offense
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Kafka said they’re “right on schedule” with installing the offense.
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Kafka said Wink’s defense has been a good challenge for the offense. “It’s part of competing.”
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#Giants Kafka on OL - priority is set depth and width of the pocket...did well overall at the scrimmage
..there were some communication issues
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Wink Martindale: “I’m excited. I’m happy where we are.” They’ll find out who’s the “smartest, toughest and most competitive” over the three preseason games in terms of evaluating the roster.
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#Giants Wink om DBs - loves first group...hownthey compete...need to build depth...is a process
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Wink said it’s fun having players like Julian Love to move around. He’s a “valuable piece.”
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Wink said Kayvon came in and went to work. “That’s what has impressed me.” He’s excited to see where this road takes the rookie.
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#Giants Wink - Thibodeaux impressed with how he has xome to work..very smart.. keep working on techniques..he is never afraid to repeat drills
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Wink said he’s told the inside linebackers that it’s an “open competition. … They’ve accepted the challenge.” Wink said he’s tough on that position having coached it for so long.
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I'm not sure I understand your response. Are you saying Davis Webb is going to start this season behind our starting offensive line which you think is crap?
Definitely don’t think the starting O-Line is bad. I’ve said before that I feel a lot better about our O-Line than what we’ve trotted out there for the past decade. But I think Schoen/Daboll need to do more work on depth in the 2023 off-season.
I expect them to do that. However, I think they're anticipating Gates making it back (if not this year, then certainly next year), as well as McKethan, and those two ought to help.
Still, I'm of the mind that you should draft OL's every year, not necessarily with premium picks, but with mid-to-late rounders worth developing. Keep that pipeline flowing. I'd love to see them develop the big Nigerian kid, too.
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Wink said it’s not written in stone that a safety will continue to relay the calls on the field. It could be week to week.
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Wink said Darnay Holmes been productive first and foremost and that he wants to go against the best in practice. He calls him “Dirty 30.” He loves how tough he is and embraces the competition.
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#Giants Wink - cox has much experience and great leader....says daboll haa done 'a great job" putting together defensive staff
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Thomas McGaughey says the Scottish Hammer’s hang time needs to improve
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#Giants McGaughey - want 4 sec hang time for 40 yd punt...4.5 for 45 yd...5.0 for 50 yd, etc
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#Giants McGaughey - brown is not only a special teams player...high ceiling and athletic as a LB too...is on his way to reaching his potential
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McGaughey said Cam Brown has a high ceiling. “He’s on his way” and not just on special teams. He didn’t want to speak for Wink, but he’s sure there’s a good role for him on defense.
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Andrew Thomas not limping. No extra tape. Let’s have a day
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OL Josh Ezeudu (?) on the side at the start pf practice.
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No sign of rookie TE Andre Miller, who has been getting first-team reps. He left yesterday’s practice with an injury. Meanwhile, TE Ricky Seals-Jones (?) is missing his eighth straight practice.
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Azeez Ojulari looks improved in his rehab
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No sign of rookie TE Andre Miller, who has been getting first-team reps. He left yesterday’s practice with an injury. Meanwhile, TE Ricky Seals-Jones (?) is missing his eighth straight practice.
There's not even any speculation on this guy?
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#Giants Kafka - jones doing "a phenomenal job" of working with this offense
doesn't the oc know that the whole world is laughing at dj?
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Daniel Jones started the 11 on11s with the 1st team offense, but Tyrod Taylor just took a snap with the 1st string O for the first time that I’ve seen this camp. Daboll appeared to be conferring with Jones. Then Jones came back and replaced Taylor for the next play #Giants
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Tyrod Taylor just replaced Daniel Jones with the starting offense for one play 👀.
Hard to tell why Jones got the hook, but there was a busted play on the previous snap and Daboll didn’t seem happy. Jones back in after one play.
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Kayvon Thibodeaux would’ve had 2 sacks during the first few plays of team periods today.
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Slayton with a nice back shoulder grab from Taylor
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Thibs beats Andrew Thomas on an inside move for what would be a sack
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Jet to Robinson stopped in backfield by Jihad Ward
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Tomon Fox beats newly acquired Eric Smith for a sack
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Xavier McKinney picked off Daniel Jones on a Collin Johnson crosser off Playaction.
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Nice throw by Jones goes through Toney’s hands. Toney having some issues with hands today, dropping a few in individuals too
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#Giants Day 10 - golladay and robinson.locked up for back to back battles ARon won first, KG the second...McKinney a CF INT in front of KG....Taylor hits Board for a catch and run big play
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Darrian Beavers made a great read on an RPO but dropped the interception from Tyrod Taylor.
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Looks like RB Matt Breida getting a maintenance day. Antonio Williams the next RB up behind Saquon.
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Webb pass goes thru the hands of Akins. Offense very sloppy, now a false start
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Some high/lowlights so far #Giants:
- Darius Slayton w a leaping catch from Tyrod Taylor
- Daniel Jones INT to Xavier McKinney, floating a pass to an open Collin Johnson
- Jones completions to WanDale, Hall
- Taylor near INT to Beavers
- Kadarius Toney, Jordan Akins drops
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#Giants - jones fires a tightrope to toney whose grab beats robinson on a cross
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#Giants - jones overthrow for johnson becomes Jackson INT
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Jones overthrows Johnson and Adoree’ picks it off
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Daniel Jones, sacked (not touched) by Leonard Williams, finishes the play with an overthrow of Collin Johnson that is INT’d by Adoree Jackson
Offense is a disaster
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Jones hits Toney on an out, nice throw and catch
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WR Robert Foster, back from an injury a couple days ago, having a good day with an end-around run and a couple catches #Giants
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Andrew Adams with a nice breakup on a cross to Foster from Taylor
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It seems the Giants are practicing solely play-action in team drills today.
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#Giants - Slayton nice grab on a bomb....then later Adams a long CF breakup and Evans with a closing breakup
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Kayvon Thibodeaux with back to back would be sacks off Daniel Jones’ left side #Giants … the rookie edge looks good
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Thibs just beat Thomas for his second sack of day
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Barkley just steamrolled Aaron Robinson on a run
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Saquon ran Aaron Robinson the fuck over but kinda not fair since you can’t tackle to the ground
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#Giants Barkley with a catch and hurdle over a defender....om next play Crowder gets feisty with some extra shoving
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Things get a little heated two plays after Barkley run, some pushing and shoving
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#Giants - next play, brightwell nice cutback then more feistiness from.crowder....next play crowder and feliciano in shoving spree that stops play
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We have escalated to punches thrown at #Giants practice. Jon Feliciano was dragged out of pile got to feet and took first swing
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All hell just broke loose at Giants camp during team periods. You could see the physicality ready to boil over. Just did.
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Oh baby a hockey bench clearing brawl breaks out, Feliciano just threw a haymaker at someone, Cam Brown goes after Feliciano. Daboll gathers team together to calm things down
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Saquon just absolutely TRUCKED Aaron Robinson. Next play Robinson is in the middle of a dustup. Play after that Tae Crowder body slams Antonio Williams. Play after that… BRAWL!
Feliciano and Cam Brown exchange punches. Bobby Johnson mixing it up with Justin Ellis. Heated. Daboll brings em in. Crowd chants “Let’s go Giants!”
Really hard not to get excited about him.
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There were 4 straight physical plays started by Saquon Barkley running over Aaron Robinson and defense responded by upping physicality with tackles to ground #Giants
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We had a MAJOR fight. Started with Jon Feliciano and Tae Crowder. Cam Brown dragged Feliciano out of the scrum and OL coach Bobby Johnson pushed Brown. Then Feliciano punched Brown in the head. Never seen a coach do that to a player.
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Saquon Barkley lowered his shoulder into Aaron Robinson during thud tempo, and the defense did NOT like it, especially LB Tae Crowder:
Giants center Jon Feliciano then grabbed LB Crowder’s head three plays later, pulled it down and tried to knee him in the face, WWE style
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#Giants - Taylor hits a bomb to johnson on left side
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Saquon ran Aaron Robinson the fuck over but kinda not fair since you can’t tackle to the ground
potty mouth commentary not needed...
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Saquon ran Aaron Robinson the fuck over but kinda not fair since you can’t tackle to the ground
potty mouth commentary not needed...
Neither are ellipses, but here we are...
Agreed- sort of.. It is far easier to play "tough" when you know the defense isn't coming to lay serious wood on you and when you know those guys want to avoid hurting you at all costs. I will be happy when I actually see it against another teams defense.
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#Giants - taylor connex with board inside jacquet for td
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Things calm down as Taylor with a beautiful ball to Collin Johnson for a nice chunk. Taylor then hits CJ Board on a slant for TD
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Another drop by 89. Day to forget for the young man
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#Giants Barkley with a catch and hurdle over a defender.
The hurdle stuff was one of his signature, highlight-reel moves at PSU, but the risk-reward at the pro level is way less favorable. I wish he would knock it off.
He’s doing no one any favors if he breaks his hand punching a helmet.
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Team running sprints again setting up on other side of field
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CJ Board shaken up on a leaping near catch. Being checked by medical team. Up and walking but banged up
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The fight overshadowed the bigger story of the day: Major struggle for Jones and the offense. He had two interceptions: one on a deep pass he floated that gave Xavier McKinney time to get over and another on an over-throw that was caught by Adoree’ Jackson. Out of sorts all day.
It’s a sign he’d rather look good than win.
Because he is at Jets camp today. He covers both teams.
Well, not every rookie is created equal. I think it's safe to say that there were a few Giants rookie LB's who gave veteran OT's fits.
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The fight overshadowed the bigger story of the day: Major struggle for Jones and the offense. He had two interceptions: one on a deep pass he floated that gave Xavier McKinney time to get over and another on an over-throw that was caught by Adoree’ Jackson. Out of sorts all day.
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The fight overshadowed the bigger story of the day: Major struggle for Jones and the offense. He had two interceptions: one on a deep pass he floated that gave Xavier McKinney time to get over and another on an over-throw that was caught by Adoree’ Jackson. Out of sorts all day. [/quote]
Not ideal. I have a feeling that the Jimmy G calls will hit a crescendo if DJ and the offense struggle during preseason
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Giants Training Camp Day 9 thots
•Daniel Jones & passing offense overall was brutal today
•Fight was insane and was brewing
•Adoree’ Jackson having a great camp
•Darius Slayton w/ a couple big plays
•Heavy emphasis on playaction
•Jeremiah Hall w/ 1st team & had nice catch
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Not sure how much I like an offensive line coach basically starting a fight
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Not sure how much I like an offensive line coach basically starting a fight
I'm obviously not there, but it doesn't sound like he started it. He just contributed to it and helped fuel the fire, which I said above is not exactly professional.
It’s a sign he’d rather look good than win.
Not sure if serious, although considering your posts, I think I know the answer.
Good lord
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Giants TE/H-Back Andre Miller broke his forearm, per source.
Was having a good camp going from an UDFA out of Maine to working with the 1st team. Not sure on timetable for return.
The Giants needed a change organizationally and that needs to be with Jones as well. Let Taylor start (or get a guy from elsewhere) and develop the offensive scheme with an eye towards the future (and future QB).
Wait to hear from Sy.
It’s a sign he’d rather look good than win.
This is either a terrible joke or you're an idiot.
Great. At least Kayvon looks ad advertised
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Giants TE/H-Back Andre Miller broke his forearm, per source.
Was having a good camp going from an UDFA out of Maine to working with the 1st team. Not sure on timetable for return.
Jesus...
Not ideal. I have a feeling that the Jimmy G calls will hit a crescendo if DJ and the offense struggle during preseason
lol more than half the fanbase barely thinks Jimmy G is better than Jones. There's definitely not going to be much clamoring for him.
I agree, and that approach can win a lot of games, maybe even the division. The key will be good coaching.
Great. At least Kayvon looks ad advertised
Guess you were there to tell us about holding the ball too long? Were the receivers open?
It's gotten that bad. Daniel holds the ball wayyyyy too long. His deep ball is nicer than Tyrod but Tyrod is wayyyy better in the quick passing game and has more zip on the quick passes. His release is better/throwing motion is faster. He sees the defense faster. Tyrod can make plays with his legs just as much as Daniel can. This is looking bad for Daniel. I know I've been ringing the alarm every practice now but the fact is this has been a BAD camp thus far for Daniel Jones and that's a fact, I've watched like 5 practices live now and I don't want to hear the opinions of you Daniel defenders who just read tweets and haven't been to watch a single camp practice as of yet. I've defended Jones alot to this point but I can't pretend I'm blind to what I've been seeing. It's getting worse not better. He was at his best in preseason of his rookie year his development just hasn't been there, period.
I wish we could see more of Tyrod with the 1s to give us a better tell if Tyrod would make this team/offense better. Daniel has done nothing to solidify the starting QB job IMO.
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Inaccurate yet again... not alot of zip, no change there... sigh.
Great. At least Kayvon looks ad advertised
Guess you were there to tell us about holding the ball too long? Were the receivers open?
NFL QBs have to throw into tight windows on Sunday... if Daniel can't do it in practice.... good luck.
I've been to 5 + fanfest.
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Had Daniel Jones at 5/16 with 2 INT’s & 2 drops from Kadarius Toney. A lot of would be sacks in there too. Just a brutal day for the passing offense.
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Based on the personnel staff/coaches leaving the field house it looks like there may have been another OL workout today.
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Overall, rough day for the Giants first-team offense. Daniel Jones threw a pair of interceptions and went 5-of-15 passing. Kadarius Toney had a pair of drops (and a third in individual drills). Not crisp at all.
IMO trying to make any decisions, and getting all worked up, from August practices is a huge waste of time. We just don't know enough about what is happening out there.
I have. Or at least, I've wondered why it should be controversial to think that Taylor might simply be a better QB than Jones. Taylor's actually had some pretty legitimate success in the NFL. He's simply been injured quite a few times and then replaced by a QB who wound up being pretty damn decent.
IMO trying to make any decisions, and getting all worked up, from August practices is a huge waste of time. We just don't know enough about what is happening out there.
This is 100% true, I agree.
But I won't act surprised when Daniel struggles, I would be happily surprised to see all the lights turn on and things finally start to click but to your point you never know until they line up and play a real game for 60 minutes.
Time to scout this year’s college QB class for sure
Why, thats what they brought in Tyrod for. It seems pretty well thought out if you ask me. Jones can't cut it, play an acceptable journeyman QB this season instead (not a bum like Glennon), get a high draft pick next year and try to find a QB again
Roll with Taylor and Webb.
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in the DJ basket for yet another season. Might have been good to spend a 3rd on lottery ticket QB.
Why, thats what they brought in Tyrod for. It seems pretty well thought out if you ask me. Jones can't cut it, play an acceptable journeyman QB this season instead (not a bum like Glennon), get a high draft pick next year and try to find a QB again
It wouldn't be my choice. We know what Taylor is. I'd rather add one of the QBs that came out and throw him into the fire. Wiklis, Ridder, Corral, Howell or Strong. At least they still have upside. And if they fail you get a top 3 pick.
Roll with Taylor and Webb.
Jones’s roster bonus was paid on Friday. There would be less than 1M in cap savings if he’s traded now.
Roll with Taylor and Webb.
Does that mean the buying team pays $4M approx. If do then I think not.
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in the DJ basket for yet another season. Might have been good to spend a 3rd on lottery ticket QB.
Why, thats what they brought in Tyrod for. It seems pretty well thought out if you ask me. Jones can't cut it, play an acceptable journeyman QB this season instead (not a bum like Glennon), get a high draft pick next year and try to find a QB again
I will say that your point about practice needs to be taken a bit deeper tough. Every bad throw, every int etc is a play taken away from the receiver, the confidence of the offense and even the confidence of the QB. If you cannot have success in practice you sure won't be seeing success in the games.
Don't forget, while this is a new system for the offense, it is a new system for the defense too.
Don't forget, while this is a new system for the offense, it is a new system for the defense too.
It is, but nobody really gives a crap when the defense gets blown up in camp or if a player screws up. Especially when the defense just attacks - it looks great and is really hard for the offense to be consistent.
On top of that, the defense has better players all around.
Would Jones be better if the NFL had a "5 Mississippi Rule" so he could have more time to read, process and decide?
But when we hear comments like "brutal"...
But when we hear comments like "brutal"...
Think the neck injury was way worse. Heard early in camp his throwing motion changed but havent heard much more. He was never "brutal" in his other pre season snaps. Something way off here.
But when we hear comments like "brutal"...
I hope Daboll make Jones play every preseason game because he simply needs to. Seeing Jones under live fire really needs to be the next step in the assessment here.
I said it last week - we could seriously have a QB controversy on our hands here. We are reading from mulitiple sources that Taylor looks like a more competent QB right now to run the offense...
Just gonna let the Jones stuff play out in the games.
Here are the three matchups between the Bills and Ravens and Wink vs. DaBoll
1/18 Allen 6/15 74 yds. Buffalo Total Yards: 153
1/19 Allen 17/39 146 yds. TY: 209
1/21: Allen 23/37 206 yds. TY: 220
Based on all the positive defensive stuff just maybe they are pretty damn good and Wink is a PIA to play against.
like M&M candies..Cool it with the crap against ALL the players on the offense..After the 3rd pre-season game,we will have s better idea what to expect come the 1st real game..I just hope the Defence plays like or better then now,when the season starts..I will be thrilled to death,to say the least..
Anyone else think Taylor and Webb are going to be running for their lives Thursday? The OL depth is going to be a problem all preseason IMO.
Just when you think you are over this……
Right now he is running new plays and working with new receivers and the offense is learning what works and what doesn't.
Let's see how he does against real competition. If what we are seeing in practice carries over to preseason games then I will be concerned. As will the Giants I'm sure.
Seems like a prime situation to stir up a shit show
IMO trying to make any decisions, and getting all worked up, from August practices is a huge waste of time. We just don't know enough about what is happening out there.
+1
Best and wisest post on this thread.
If it were up to you - you would have drafted one with the 5th pick. The reason no one took any of these guys is they are not that good. And ALL 32 agreed - multiple times.
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know about Jones. Practice is practice, let the games play out and then see. I'm extremely confident that after the preseason Daboll will know what Jones can/cannot do, and he will make the appropriate decision to save his own skin. His job is aligned with winning football games, and I doubt he will be tied to anyone. Also frankly I am just interested in watching the games play out, and don't care who the right answer is.
IMO trying to make any decisions, and getting all worked up, from August practices is a huge waste of time. We just don't know enough about what is happening out there.
+1
Best and wisest post on this thread.
This Daboll's free year. His fortunes are not tied to DJ. DJ will get a good long look, once and for all, so that a decision can be made. Taylor is there to be a competent backup if needed. He's not going to start unless Jones gets hurt.
So many people rooting against DJ to be successful. Tyrod Taylor has had many opportunities as well with different teams and its proven he is not the answer either. So why would you want him starting???
Im pretty confident that the coaching staff will do whats best for the team. If they think Taylor gives them the best chance to win he will play. At thins point its clear DJ is the starter and Taylor is the backup. Nitpicking every throw and micro managing is not a good process. If DJ is not the answer we will know it pretty quickly as the season plays out. If thats the case its going to really suck for this team until we find the next QB.
It's too early to conclude that we have a "QB controversy" when we haven't even played any preseason games. But I doubt Daboll will hesitate to pull Jones if he struggles during the regular season. Nor should he.
So many people rooting against DJ to be successful. Tyrod Taylor has had many opportunities as well with different teams and its proven he is not the answer either. So why would you want him starting???
I don't think it's any more complicated than that we have seen Jones play almost 40 career games. The thing you know vs the thing you don't.
You are jumping pretty close to the others jumping to conclusions...
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Don't forget, while this is a new system for the offense, it is a new system for the defense too.
It is, but nobody really gives a crap when the defense gets blown up in camp or if a player screws up. Especially when the defense just attacks - it looks great and is really hard for the offense to be consistent.
On top of that, the defense has better players all around.
Ugh, no.. My point is, you can't use that it is new as an excuse for Jones when the entire team system is new. That excuse only goes so far and must also extend to the defense as well.
The list of excuses is very lengthy. And tiresome.
The QB can't hit in practice for crissakes. Practice is designed for the QB to succeed.
Now, if the reports were unanimous that the receivers were the overwhelming cause of Jones struggles than you have a place to go. Instead, we have accuracy/decision/technical issues from Jones that don't seem to go away.
Right now I have zero interest in watching another year of Jones playing QB. Zero.
I would hope they are using the few team practices they get to give Jones throws they expect him to perform in games.
But I guess they could just be using practice to kill time in the day...
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coaches may have told Jones to let it fly. Preseason practice is not the same as game time. Jones may be throwing passes in practice that he would never throw in a game. I'll wait til I see an opponent on the field.
I would hope they are using the few team practices they get to give Jones throws they expect him to perform in games.
But I guess they could just be using practice to kill time in the day...
This.
Can't wait until these preseason games start and we can see how offense looks prepared. Practicing PA plays seems odd in and of itself but I suppose he has his reasons. It never shines lightly on the stat sheet though. Sure didn't for Taylor and the second team either.
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Is “running new plays” going to be the overarching excuse?
The list of excuses is very lengthy. And tiresome.
The QB can't hit in practice for crissakes. Practice is designed for the QB to succeed.
Now, if the reports were unanimous that the receivers were the overwhelming cause of Jones struggles than you have a place to go. Instead, we have accuracy/decision/technical issues from Jones that don't seem to go away.
Right now I have zero interest in watching another year of Jones playing QB. Zero.
Then don’t and will see you next year :)
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Is “running new plays” going to be the overarching excuse?
The list of excuses is very lengthy. And tiresome.
The QB can't hit in practice for crissakes. Practice is designed for the QB to succeed.
Now, if the reports were unanimous that the receivers were the overwhelming cause of Jones struggles than you have a place to go. Instead, we have accuracy/decision/technical issues from Jones that don't seem to go away.
Right now I have zero interest in watching another year of Jones playing QB. Zero.
Then don’t and will see you next year :)
hmm...
like M&M candies..Cool it with the crap against ALL the players on the offense..After the 3rd pre-season game,we will have s better idea what to expect come the 1st real game..I just hope the Defence plays like or better then now,when the season starts..I will be thrilled to death,to say the least..
The defense will be going up against better offenses so...
BUT - any coach I've ever played for makes decisions on who plays the games based on practice...I guess many believe that should go out the window for the NYG?
How bad does DJ have to be in practice and/or how good does T. Taylor have to be to pull the trigger on making a change?
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coaches may have told Jones to let it fly. Preseason practice is not the same as game time. Jones may be throwing passes in practice that he would never throw in a game. I'll wait til I see an opponent on the field.
I would hope they are using the few team practices they get to give Jones throws they expect him to perform in games.
But I guess they could just be using practice to kill time in the day...
Or they could have decided that throwing the ball away or adlib QB scrambling against a D that's not supposed to tackle is a waste of limited practice plays.
I guess I'm crazy expecting the 6th pick in the draft - who was lauded, btw, for his so-called football intellect when we drafted him - to adjust quickly and make plays in practice.
Jones is the kid in the neighborhood who needs the training wheels on his bike for over a year because he just can't figure out how to ride the two-wheeler...
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Don't forget, while this is a new system for the offense, it is a new system for the defense too.
It is, but nobody really gives a crap when the defense gets blown up in camp or if a player screws up. Especially when the defense just attacks - it looks great and is really hard for the offense to be consistent.
On top of that, the defense has better players all around.
Ugh, no.. My point is, you can't use that it is new as an excuse for Jones when the entire team system is new. That excuse only goes so far and must also extend to the defense as well.
No it doesn't. Two completely different situations. It is much easier for the defense, it is such a different system. Even if they make a mistake, you would not know it, I doubt the press knows it, only the coaching staff can see it. If the offense screws up, everyone can see it, especially the QB. I'm not arguing that Jones isn't screwing the pooch, certainly plain to all watching, since they are saying the same thing. And it is his M.O. all over again.
Has anyone, once, reported that the defense messed up a coverage or an assignment? (Maybe Sy can see defensive lapses)
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coaches may have told Jones to let it fly. Preseason practice is not the same as game time. Jones may be throwing passes in practice that he would never throw in a game. I'll wait til I see an opponent on the field.
I would hope they are using the few team practices they get to give Jones throws they expect him to perform in games.
But I guess they could just be using practice to kill time in the day...
Or they could have decided that throwing the ball away or adlib QB scrambling against a D that's not supposed to tackle is a waste of limited practice plays.
Agreed, so let's focus on completing passes and executing successful offensive plays...
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It seems the Giants are practicing solely play-action in team drills today.
Hard to beat a defense with play action if they know it's coming. Kind of defeats the whole purpose. No wonder there are a ton of "sacks" today.
This is a ridiculous take, when i won the rock paper scissors tournament of 44AD, all i had to do was keep throwing rocks at the competition. Worked out just fine.
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In comment 15774809 jvm52106 said:
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Don't forget, while this is a new system for the offense, it is a new system for the defense too.
It is, but nobody really gives a crap when the defense gets blown up in camp or if a player screws up. Especially when the defense just attacks - it looks great and is really hard for the offense to be consistent.
On top of that, the defense has better players all around.
Ugh, no.. My point is, you can't use that it is new as an excuse for Jones when the entire team system is new. That excuse only goes so far and must also extend to the defense as well.
No it doesn't. Two completely different situations. It is much easier for the defense, it is such a different system. Even if they make a mistake, you would not know it, I doubt the press knows it, only the coaching staff can see it. If the offense screws up, everyone can see it, especially the QB. I'm not arguing that Jones isn't screwing the pooch, certainly plain to all watching, since they are saying the same thing. And it is his M.O. all over again.
Has anyone, once, reported that the defense messed up a coverage or an assignment? (Maybe Sy can see defensive lapses)
Dude, you are killing me. My point for the second time is if the defense if new and possibly making mistakes that would in essence give teh offense SOME positive plays. BUT, we are seeing a defense dominate the offense and the QB missing throws and getting picked. If both sides are new, both will have growing pains. Why is it the Offense can't seem to take advantage of the growing pains of the defense.
Its one thing to be objective and another to just blindly defend what is clearly bad play by Jones. His play, which has mirrored his play for years isn't just practice or new scheme, it is who he is.
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In comment 15774809 jvm52106 said:
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Don't forget, while this is a new system for the offense, it is a new system for the defense too.
It is, but nobody really gives a crap when the defense gets blown up in camp or if a player screws up. Especially when the defense just attacks - it looks great and is really hard for the offense to be consistent.
On top of that, the defense has better players all around.
Ugh, no.. My point is, you can't use that it is new as an excuse for Jones when the entire team system is new. That excuse only goes so far and must also extend to the defense as well.
No it doesn't. Two completely different situations. It is much easier for the defense, it is such a different system. Even if they make a mistake, you would not know it, I doubt the press knows it, only the coaching staff can see it. If the offense screws up, everyone can see it, especially the QB. I'm not arguing that Jones isn't screwing the pooch, certainly plain to all watching, since they are saying the same thing. And it is his M.O. all over again.
Has anyone, once, reported that the defense messed up a coverage or an assignment? (Maybe Sy can see defensive lapses)
Dude, you are killing me. My point for the second time is if the defense if new and possibly making mistakes that would in essence give teh offense SOME positive plays. BUT, we are seeing a defense dominate the offense and the QB missing throws and getting picked. If both sides are new, both will have growing pains. Why is it the Offense can't seem to take advantage of the growing pains of the defense.
Its one thing to be objective and another to just blindly defend what is clearly bad play by Jones. His play, which has mirrored his play for years isn't just practice or new scheme, it is who he is.
The D knew that today was play action day, everything was done out of play action from the reports. It makes sense that the D was going to be better than the O today. DBs can sit on the pass imo.
I'll bet if you ask around the league, Winks style of D is very hard to attack from an offensive standpoint.
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Is “running new plays” going to be the overarching excuse?
The list of excuses is very lengthy. And tiresome.
The QB can't hit in practice for crissakes. Practice is designed for the QB to succeed.
Now, if the reports were unanimous that the receivers were the overwhelming cause of Jones struggles than you have a place to go. Instead, we have accuracy/decision/technical issues from Jones that don't seem to go away.
Right now I have zero interest in watching another year of Jones playing QB. Zero.
Hang in there. You’re gonna be ok.
This is a ridiculous take, when i won the rock paper scissors tournament of 44AD, all i had to do was keep throwing rocks at the competition. Worked out just fine.