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Monday, August 8, 2022
Offensive Coordinator Mike Kafka – Approx. 9:30 a.m.
Defensive Coordinator Wink Martindale – Approx. 9:40 a.m.
Special Teams Coordinator Thomas McGaughey – Approx. 9:50 a.m.
Practice – 10:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m.
Players Available – Approx. 12:10 p.m.
Don't forget, while this is a new system for the offense, it is a new system for the defense too.
It is, but nobody really gives a crap when the defense gets blown up in camp or if a player screws up. Especially when the defense just attacks - it looks great and is really hard for the offense to be consistent.
On top of that, the defense has better players all around.
Would Jones be better if the NFL had a "5 Mississippi Rule" so he could have more time to read, process and decide?
But when we hear comments like "brutal"...
But when we hear comments like "brutal"...
Think the neck injury was way worse. Heard early in camp his throwing motion changed but havent heard much more. He was never "brutal" in his other pre season snaps. Something way off here.
But when we hear comments like "brutal"...
I hope Daboll make Jones play every preseason game because he simply needs to. Seeing Jones under live fire really needs to be the next step in the assessment here.
I said it last week - we could seriously have a QB controversy on our hands here. We are reading from mulitiple sources that Taylor looks like a more competent QB right now to run the offense...
Just gonna let the Jones stuff play out in the games.
Here are the three matchups between the Bills and Ravens and Wink vs. DaBoll
1/18 Allen 6/15 74 yds. Buffalo Total Yards: 153
1/19 Allen 17/39 146 yds. TY: 209
1/21: Allen 23/37 206 yds. TY: 220
Based on all the positive defensive stuff just maybe they are pretty damn good and Wink is a PIA to play against.
like M&M candies..Cool it with the crap against ALL the players on the offense..After the 3rd pre-season game,we will have s better idea what to expect come the 1st real game..I just hope the Defence plays like or better then now,when the season starts..I will be thrilled to death,to say the least..
Anyone else think Taylor and Webb are going to be running for their lives Thursday? The OL depth is going to be a problem all preseason IMO.
Just when you think you are over this……
Right now he is running new plays and working with new receivers and the offense is learning what works and what doesn't.
Let's see how he does against real competition. If what we are seeing in practice carries over to preseason games then I will be concerned. As will the Giants I'm sure.
Seems like a prime situation to stir up a shit show
IMO trying to make any decisions, and getting all worked up, from August practices is a huge waste of time. We just don't know enough about what is happening out there.
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Best and wisest post on this thread.
If it were up to you - you would have drafted one with the 5th pick. The reason no one took any of these guys is they are not that good. And ALL 32 agreed - multiple times.
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know about Jones. Practice is practice, let the games play out and then see. I'm extremely confident that after the preseason Daboll will know what Jones can/cannot do, and he will make the appropriate decision to save his own skin. His job is aligned with winning football games, and I doubt he will be tied to anyone. Also frankly I am just interested in watching the games play out, and don't care who the right answer is.
IMO trying to make any decisions, and getting all worked up, from August practices is a huge waste of time. We just don't know enough about what is happening out there.
+1
Best and wisest post on this thread.
This Daboll's free year. His fortunes are not tied to DJ. DJ will get a good long look, once and for all, so that a decision can be made. Taylor is there to be a competent backup if needed. He's not going to start unless Jones gets hurt.
So many people rooting against DJ to be successful. Tyrod Taylor has had many opportunities as well with different teams and its proven he is not the answer either. So why would you want him starting???
Im pretty confident that the coaching staff will do whats best for the team. If they think Taylor gives them the best chance to win he will play. At thins point its clear DJ is the starter and Taylor is the backup. Nitpicking every throw and micro managing is not a good process. If DJ is not the answer we will know it pretty quickly as the season plays out. If thats the case its going to really suck for this team until we find the next QB.
It's too early to conclude that we have a "QB controversy" when we haven't even played any preseason games. But I doubt Daboll will hesitate to pull Jones if he struggles during the regular season. Nor should he.
So many people rooting against DJ to be successful. Tyrod Taylor has had many opportunities as well with different teams and its proven he is not the answer either. So why would you want him starting???
I don't think it's any more complicated than that we have seen Jones play almost 40 career games. The thing you know vs the thing you don't.
You are jumping pretty close to the others jumping to conclusions...
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Don't forget, while this is a new system for the offense, it is a new system for the defense too.
It is, but nobody really gives a crap when the defense gets blown up in camp or if a player screws up. Especially when the defense just attacks - it looks great and is really hard for the offense to be consistent.
On top of that, the defense has better players all around.
Ugh, no.. My point is, you can't use that it is new as an excuse for Jones when the entire team system is new. That excuse only goes so far and must also extend to the defense as well.
The list of excuses is very lengthy. And tiresome.
The QB can't hit in practice for crissakes. Practice is designed for the QB to succeed.
Now, if the reports were unanimous that the receivers were the overwhelming cause of Jones struggles than you have a place to go. Instead, we have accuracy/decision/technical issues from Jones that don't seem to go away.
Right now I have zero interest in watching another year of Jones playing QB. Zero.
I would hope they are using the few team practices they get to give Jones throws they expect him to perform in games.
But I guess they could just be using practice to kill time in the day...
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coaches may have told Jones to let it fly. Preseason practice is not the same as game time. Jones may be throwing passes in practice that he would never throw in a game. I'll wait til I see an opponent on the field.
I would hope they are using the few team practices they get to give Jones throws they expect him to perform in games.
But I guess they could just be using practice to kill time in the day...
This.
Can't wait until these preseason games start and we can see how offense looks prepared. Practicing PA plays seems odd in and of itself but I suppose he has his reasons. It never shines lightly on the stat sheet though. Sure didn't for Taylor and the second team either.
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Is “running new plays” going to be the overarching excuse?
The list of excuses is very lengthy. And tiresome.
The QB can't hit in practice for crissakes. Practice is designed for the QB to succeed.
Now, if the reports were unanimous that the receivers were the overwhelming cause of Jones struggles than you have a place to go. Instead, we have accuracy/decision/technical issues from Jones that don't seem to go away.
Right now I have zero interest in watching another year of Jones playing QB. Zero.
Then don’t and will see you next year :)
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Is “running new plays” going to be the overarching excuse?
The list of excuses is very lengthy. And tiresome.
The QB can't hit in practice for crissakes. Practice is designed for the QB to succeed.
Now, if the reports were unanimous that the receivers were the overwhelming cause of Jones struggles than you have a place to go. Instead, we have accuracy/decision/technical issues from Jones that don't seem to go away.
Right now I have zero interest in watching another year of Jones playing QB. Zero.
Then don’t and will see you next year :)
hmm...
like M&M candies..Cool it with the crap against ALL the players on the offense..After the 3rd pre-season game,we will have s better idea what to expect come the 1st real game..I just hope the Defence plays like or better then now,when the season starts..I will be thrilled to death,to say the least..
The defense will be going up against better offenses so...
BUT - any coach I've ever played for makes decisions on who plays the games based on practice...I guess many believe that should go out the window for the NYG?
How bad does DJ have to be in practice and/or how good does T. Taylor have to be to pull the trigger on making a change?
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coaches may have told Jones to let it fly. Preseason practice is not the same as game time. Jones may be throwing passes in practice that he would never throw in a game. I'll wait til I see an opponent on the field.
I would hope they are using the few team practices they get to give Jones throws they expect him to perform in games.
But I guess they could just be using practice to kill time in the day...
Or they could have decided that throwing the ball away or adlib QB scrambling against a D that's not supposed to tackle is a waste of limited practice plays.
I guess I'm crazy expecting the 6th pick in the draft - who was lauded, btw, for his so-called football intellect when we drafted him - to adjust quickly and make plays in practice.
Jones is the kid in the neighborhood who needs the training wheels on his bike for over a year because he just can't figure out how to ride the two-wheeler...
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Don't forget, while this is a new system for the offense, it is a new system for the defense too.
It is, but nobody really gives a crap when the defense gets blown up in camp or if a player screws up. Especially when the defense just attacks - it looks great and is really hard for the offense to be consistent.
On top of that, the defense has better players all around.
Ugh, no.. My point is, you can't use that it is new as an excuse for Jones when the entire team system is new. That excuse only goes so far and must also extend to the defense as well.
No it doesn't. Two completely different situations. It is much easier for the defense, it is such a different system. Even if they make a mistake, you would not know it, I doubt the press knows it, only the coaching staff can see it. If the offense screws up, everyone can see it, especially the QB. I'm not arguing that Jones isn't screwing the pooch, certainly plain to all watching, since they are saying the same thing. And it is his M.O. all over again.
Has anyone, once, reported that the defense messed up a coverage or an assignment? (Maybe Sy can see defensive lapses)
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coaches may have told Jones to let it fly. Preseason practice is not the same as game time. Jones may be throwing passes in practice that he would never throw in a game. I'll wait til I see an opponent on the field.
I would hope they are using the few team practices they get to give Jones throws they expect him to perform in games.
But I guess they could just be using practice to kill time in the day...
Or they could have decided that throwing the ball away or adlib QB scrambling against a D that's not supposed to tackle is a waste of limited practice plays.
Agreed, so let's focus on completing passes and executing successful offensive plays...
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It seems the Giants are practicing solely play-action in team drills today.
Hard to beat a defense with play action if they know it's coming. Kind of defeats the whole purpose. No wonder there are a ton of "sacks" today.
This is a ridiculous take, when i won the rock paper scissors tournament of 44AD, all i had to do was keep throwing rocks at the competition. Worked out just fine.
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In comment 15774809 jvm52106 said:
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Don't forget, while this is a new system for the offense, it is a new system for the defense too.
It is, but nobody really gives a crap when the defense gets blown up in camp or if a player screws up. Especially when the defense just attacks - it looks great and is really hard for the offense to be consistent.
On top of that, the defense has better players all around.
Ugh, no.. My point is, you can't use that it is new as an excuse for Jones when the entire team system is new. That excuse only goes so far and must also extend to the defense as well.
No it doesn't. Two completely different situations. It is much easier for the defense, it is such a different system. Even if they make a mistake, you would not know it, I doubt the press knows it, only the coaching staff can see it. If the offense screws up, everyone can see it, especially the QB. I'm not arguing that Jones isn't screwing the pooch, certainly plain to all watching, since they are saying the same thing. And it is his M.O. all over again.
Has anyone, once, reported that the defense messed up a coverage or an assignment? (Maybe Sy can see defensive lapses)
Dude, you are killing me. My point for the second time is if the defense if new and possibly making mistakes that would in essence give teh offense SOME positive plays. BUT, we are seeing a defense dominate the offense and the QB missing throws and getting picked. If both sides are new, both will have growing pains. Why is it the Offense can't seem to take advantage of the growing pains of the defense.
Its one thing to be objective and another to just blindly defend what is clearly bad play by Jones. His play, which has mirrored his play for years isn't just practice or new scheme, it is who he is.
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In comment 15774809 jvm52106 said:
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Don't forget, while this is a new system for the offense, it is a new system for the defense too.
It is, but nobody really gives a crap when the defense gets blown up in camp or if a player screws up. Especially when the defense just attacks - it looks great and is really hard for the offense to be consistent.
On top of that, the defense has better players all around.
Ugh, no.. My point is, you can't use that it is new as an excuse for Jones when the entire team system is new. That excuse only goes so far and must also extend to the defense as well.
No it doesn't. Two completely different situations. It is much easier for the defense, it is such a different system. Even if they make a mistake, you would not know it, I doubt the press knows it, only the coaching staff can see it. If the offense screws up, everyone can see it, especially the QB. I'm not arguing that Jones isn't screwing the pooch, certainly plain to all watching, since they are saying the same thing. And it is his M.O. all over again.
Has anyone, once, reported that the defense messed up a coverage or an assignment? (Maybe Sy can see defensive lapses)
Dude, you are killing me. My point for the second time is if the defense if new and possibly making mistakes that would in essence give teh offense SOME positive plays. BUT, we are seeing a defense dominate the offense and the QB missing throws and getting picked. If both sides are new, both will have growing pains. Why is it the Offense can't seem to take advantage of the growing pains of the defense.
Its one thing to be objective and another to just blindly defend what is clearly bad play by Jones. His play, which has mirrored his play for years isn't just practice or new scheme, it is who he is.
The D knew that today was play action day, everything was done out of play action from the reports. It makes sense that the D was going to be better than the O today. DBs can sit on the pass imo.
I'll bet if you ask around the league, Winks style of D is very hard to attack from an offensive standpoint.
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Is “running new plays” going to be the overarching excuse?
The list of excuses is very lengthy. And tiresome.
The QB can't hit in practice for crissakes. Practice is designed for the QB to succeed.
Now, if the reports were unanimous that the receivers were the overwhelming cause of Jones struggles than you have a place to go. Instead, we have accuracy/decision/technical issues from Jones that don't seem to go away.
Right now I have zero interest in watching another year of Jones playing QB. Zero.
Hang in there. You’re gonna be ok.
This is a ridiculous take, when i won the rock paper scissors tournament of 44AD, all i had to do was keep throwing rocks at the competition. Worked out just fine.