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Time to stop giving life to hack reporters

Giants : 8/8/2022 10:51 am
#Giants Kafka - jones doing "a phenomenal job" of working with this offense
I pay no attention to practice reports save  
Big Blue '56 : 8/8/2022 10:56 am : link
for injuries..I’ll judge from my armchair as soon as they play for real.
IKR.  
ATL_Giants : 8/8/2022 11:02 am : link
I'm sure DJ's work ethic is phenomenal compared to Kyler Murry, but we all know it's about production on the field.
I wish it were otherwise, but I'm not currently convinced our offense is going to be comparatively effective in this league.
The scheme yes, the players making it happen... ~meh~
What's your point?  
Klaatu : 8/8/2022 11:05 am : link
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Presumably a shot at Pat Leonard  
JoeMoney19 : 8/8/2022 11:12 am : link
Who is a worthless, contriving clickbait whore.
Huh?  
Jimmy Googs : 8/8/2022 11:16 am : link
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Kafka is being positive  
Greg from LI : 8/8/2022 11:17 am : link
But Sy hasn't be terribly impressed with Jones, and he's not a hack reporter
If you're expecting candid and honest reviews of the QB  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/8/2022 11:20 am : link
in training camp, you're a loon.

If he was awful, they would find the positives and speak to that, which is what every coach in the league should do. Saying anything else creates a media circus.

If the person is truly a "hack" reporter, than sure  
Mike from Ohio : 8/8/2022 11:23 am : link
But many people define a hack reporter as anyone who says something they don't agree with. If you are generally optimistic on the team and a reporter posts a pessimistic point of view, it doesn't make them a hack. Same goes the other way.

A decent reporter should not be wearing biases on their sleeve, which is why many ignore/discount Pat Leonard or Paul Dottino unless they are looking for a particular bent in their reading.
RE: Presumably a shot at Pat Leonard  
Racer : 8/8/2022 11:30 am : link
In comment 15774621 JoeMoney19 said:
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Who is a worthless, contriving clickbait whore.


WCCW has nice symmetry. I'm stealing this.
RE: RE: Presumably a shot at Pat Leonard  
Klaatu : 8/8/2022 11:31 am : link
In comment 15774647 Racer said:
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In comment 15774621 JoeMoney19 said:


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Who is a worthless, contriving clickbait whore.



WCCW has nice symmetry. I'm stealing this.


I don't think there are any von Erich's left to stop you.
RE: Kafka is being positive  
k2tampa : 8/8/2022 11:35 am : link
In comment 15774625 Greg from LI said:
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But Sy hasn't be terribly impressed with Jones, and he's not a hack reporter


The words are Kafka's, not the reporters'. Why are you blaming reporters for quoting coaches?
RE: If the person is truly a  
k2tampa : 8/8/2022 11:42 am : link
In comment 15774639 Mike from Ohio said:
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But many people define a hack reporter as anyone who says something they don't agree with. If you are generally optimistic on the team and a reporter posts a pessimistic point of view, it doesn't make them a hack. Same goes the other way.

A decent reporter should not be wearing biases on their sleeve, which is why many ignore/discount Pat Leonard or Paul Dottino unless they are looking for a particular bent in their reading.


The reporters report facts - what they are told and see and find in records. The columnists are the ones who give their opinions. In effect Sy is a columnist, telling us what his opinion is of what he sees.

Fact don't vary (The pass was incomplete) while the opinion of why can vary (bad pass, bad route, great coverage).
What is Kafka supposed to say?  
Tom from LI : 8/8/2022 11:45 am : link
DJ is working really hard, but on the other hand so do washing machines.
RE: RE: Kafka is being positive  
Greg from LI : 8/8/2022 12:07 pm : link
In comment 15774666 k2tampa said:
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The words are Kafka's, not the reporters'. Why are you blaming reporters for quoting coaches?


How do you get that reaction from my post? The OP is implying that only "hack reporters" are down on Jones, and he posts a sunny comment from Kafka. I said that Kafka, as a coach, is giving a positive statement but that it isn't only "hack reporters" who have been critical of Jones, citing Sy as an example.
Is that you, Pdot?  
Finch : 8/8/2022 12:08 pm : link
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speak to the newspaper editors that hire them  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/8/2022 12:11 pm : link
that's who gives them life
It's been universal that Jones has been Meh  
Lambuth_Special : 8/8/2022 12:13 pm : link
Just about every beat reporter as well as Sy has pointed out that Jones has looked shaky in camp outside of two days early last week.

One comment from the offensive coordinator doesn't change that.
I Don't Understand the Fan Investment in Jones  
Lambuth_Special : 8/8/2022 12:17 pm : link
If he plays well this season then it will be a very pleasant surprise.

If he plays below average than it will simply be a continuation of what we've seen for three seasons and since it's the last year of his contract, he'll be gone.

It's not like there's some kind of grand history we'll lose if we part with him.
RE: RE: Kafka is being positive  
santacruzom : 8/8/2022 12:18 pm : link
In comment 15774666 k2tampa said:
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In comment 15774625 Greg from LI said:


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But Sy hasn't be terribly impressed with Jones, and he's not a hack reporter



The words are Kafka's, not the reporters'. Why are you blaming reporters for quoting coaches?


I think his point is that Kafka's complimentary remark doesn't necessarily render all the reporters who've dared to write something negative about Jones into hacks.
its about Hacks  
Giants : 8/8/2022 12:40 pm : link
Presumably a shot at Pat Leonard
JoeMoney19 : 11:12 am : link : reply
Who is a worthless, contriving clickbait whore.

Right, reporters like him Cowherd who fly with these Jimmy Garoppolo reports. I'm not saying Jones is the answer. I am saying the Giants are not going to go after Jimmy Garoppolo. Let's say Jones falls right on his face. Giants will draft their own QB.
RE: I Don't Understand the Fan Investment in Jones  
PatersonPlank : 8/8/2022 12:43 pm : link
In comment 15774732 Lambuth_Special said:
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If he plays well this season then it will be a very pleasant surprise.

If he plays below average than it will simply be a continuation of what we've seen for three seasons and since it's the last year of his contract, he'll be gone.

It's not like there's some kind of grand history we'll lose if we part with him.


This is exactly where I am. I don't get the haters, and I don't get the fanboys. Just let it play out. We don't really know what is going on in practice and who is screwing up. Once the games start it will be clear to Daboll, and I'm confident they will make the correct decision to save their own skin.
Serby and Meyers were "Leonard before Leonard."  
David B. : 8/8/2022 1:23 pm : link
Leonard may have taken it to new levels, but Steve Serby is a world-class shit-stirrer and that's all he's ever been. And Gary Meyers is Serby-Lite.

I won't read any of them.
RE: RE: If the person is truly a  
Mike from Ohio : 8/8/2022 1:47 pm : link
In comment 15774676 k2tampa said:
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But many people define a hack reporter as anyone who says something they don't agree with. If you are generally optimistic on the team and a reporter posts a pessimistic point of view, it doesn't make them a hack. Same goes the other way.

A decent reporter should not be wearing biases on their sleeve, which is why many ignore/discount Pat Leonard or Paul Dottino unless they are looking for a particular bent in their reading.



The reporters report facts - what they are told and see and find in records. The columnists are the ones who give their opinions. In effect Sy is a columnist, telling us what his opinion is of what he sees.

Fact don't vary (The pass was incomplete) while the opinion of why can vary (bad pass, bad route, great coverage).


Would you call any of the NY Giants beat writers "reporters" under that definition? I wouldn't. They all express their opinion on poor play and good play.

I don't think that distinction has anything to do with this conversation because I don't know who I would say is actually just a "reporter" because nobody writes an article that limited anymore.
RE: It's been universal that Jones has been Meh  
Alan W : 8/8/2022 1:48 pm : link
In comment 15774727 Lambuth_Special said:
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Just about every beat reporter as well as Sy has pointed out that Jones has looked shaky in camp outside of two days early last week.

One comment from the offensive coordinator doesn't change that.


unprejudiced, accurate summary
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