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Optimus-NY : 2:41 pm : link : reply
Gotta love the NBA.
Just to play devil's advocate, didn't the universally beloved GOAT OB Tom Brady, quietly do the same thing in Tampa? Or are we all believing that story about the timing of Arians' retirement had nothing to do with his comeback?
Knick fans begged for Durand & Kyrie in 2019. Begged.
have got to be the biggest duo coaching headache I have ever seen on one team. It's like watching a combination of the personalities of Dwight Howard, Dennis Rodman, and Carl Pavano rolled into one set of twins.
I am trying to think of teams with more knuckleheads but none of those teams had two co-leaders at the same time or at least the knuckleheads were only a big problems due to their numbers. In this case, each of them is huge problem alone without the other.
have got to be the biggest duo coaching headache I have ever seen on one team. It's like watching a combination of the personalities of Dwight Howard, Dennis Rodman, and Carl Pavano rolled into one set of twins.
I am trying to think of teams with more knuckleheads but none of those teams had two co-leaders at the same time or at least the knuckleheads were only a big problems due to their numbers. In this case, each of them is huge problem alone without the other.
at least not yet, but this is a joke. Yeah coaching was really the problem with the nets last year. It wasnt there second best player missing half the games, or the lack of depth, or gettting Harden and then trading him for a guy who never suits up.
Nets are not winning a title with or without KD. Id trade him now, i get the offers arent great, but get what you can (which will still be a good deal im sure) and move on. He will be 34 when the season starts, he isnt getting better.
Whatever chance the NBA had left to maintain some sense of control ends. It's already a league that's about 90% run by the players, agents and NBAPA. He caves, it's over. The player control will now be absolute, 100%.
He should tell Durant he is under contract. They have no obligation to move him. He doesn't like it he can go home and not get paid. Or can show up, half ass it and ruin his legacy. His choice.
more valuable than Nash the coach. Only an idiot would trade Durant for pennies on the dollar (after you’ve already traded away most of your picks for the rest of the decade to boot) in order to protect this coach.
Not a good look but it's a time-honored NBA tradition for star players to shitcan coaches. Firing Marks would be an awful look though he brought the franchise back from the abyss.
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Optimus-NY : 2:41 pm : link : reply
Gotta love the NBA.
Just to play devil's advocate, didn't the universally beloved GOAT OB Tom Brady, quietly do the same thing in Tampa? Or are we all believing that story about the timing of Arians' retirement had nothing to do with his comeback?
I believe you're right Semi-Pro, but what's you're point? It is true that ALL big-time players in any sport around the world have a louder voice in what happens behind the scenes, especially peak players like Tom Brady and Kevin Durant (Tom Cruise in Hollywood). It seems more prevalent in the NBA though.
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Optimus-NY : 2:41 pm : link : reply
Gotta love the NBA.
Just to play devil's advocate, didn't the universally beloved GOAT OB Tom Brady, quietly do the same thing in Tampa? Or are we all believing that story about the timing of Arians' retirement had nothing to do with his comeback?
It's okay when Brady or Rodgers do it because reasons.
I believe you're right Semi-Pro, but what's you're point? It is true that ALL big-time players in any sport around the world have a louder voice in what happens behind the scenes, especially peak players like Tom Brady and Kevin Durant (Tom Cruise in Hollywood). It seems more prevalent in the NBA though.
Giving it a bit more thought, I just wanted to push back on the narrative that it's an NBA problem instead of a more general sports problem. I agree that the NBA has more of the recent examples but I am pretty sure I can find cases in hockey, international soccer, and baseball with a little research.
where its public info. Similar to the Brady situation, its behind the scenes, not played out for the public to witness. I'd guess these things happen all the time, but the perception that the players control everything in the NBA is not good, IMO.
but super teams don’t and that’s what LeBron, Durant, etc want and then bitch constantly when they don’t get it. It’s off putting and makes caring about anything in the NBA very difficult.
Maybe this happened 30 years ago? I wouldn’t know, was too young, but if it was it was behind the scenes of a much better product.
To Lebron. The crying and bitchiness started with him and the player followed his lead.
Magic Johnson and Paul Westhead would like to speak to you. Probably Patrick Ewing and Don Nelson as well. But hey, name the coaches Lebron got fired and their circumstances for the class please
It's that he already had Kenny Atkinson fired so that Nash could be hired, and now two years later he wants his handpicked coach to be fired *along with* the GM.
I believe you're right Semi-Pro, but what's you're point? It is true that ALL big-time players in any sport around the world have a louder voice in what happens behind the scenes, especially peak players like Tom Brady and Kevin Durant (Tom Cruise in Hollywood). It seems more prevalent in the NBA though.
Giving it a bit more thought, I just wanted to push back on the narrative that it's an NBA problem instead of a more general sports problem. I agree that the NBA has more of the recent examples but I am pretty sure I can find cases in hockey, international soccer, and baseball with a little research.
Without a doubt you can. I'll take you a step beyond all this when it comes to international football (what only 'Muricans call Soccer). The Mafia and Serie A in Italy is some interesting shit as well as a scary trip into a dark reality that exists way worse than perception of players merely having an edge over owners in the NBA at the present time:
To Lebron. The crying and bitchiness started with him and the player followed his lead.
Magic Johnson and Paul Westhead would like to speak to you. Probably Patrick Ewing and Don Nelson as well. But hey, name the coaches Lebron got fired and their circumstances for the class please
Mike Brown
David Blatt
Luke Walton
Wanted Spolestra fired but Riley refused
Frank Vogel
You can throw in Paul Silas and the winning record he had when fired.
Is that enough for you?
sad to see him making excuses instead of taking accountability
It's grown from there. The empowerment of these star players is inevitable over time because in the NBA star players have more effect on the outcome of games. remember, these players have capped salaries. Is there any other sport that does that? Why shouldn't they take these capped salaries and then try to engineer the best situation for themselves. If they uncapped the maxes, super teams would end because these guys could get paid just their market value and most teams could only afford one of these top ten superstars because they'd get paid double what they do today.
/end defense of player empowerment
that said, LOL fuck the Nets and KD. They deserve each other.
It's grown from there. The empowerment of these star players is inevitable over time because in the NBA star players have more effect on the outcome of games. remember, these players have capped salaries. Is there any other sport that does that? Why shouldn't they take these capped salaries and then try to engineer the best situation for themselves. If they uncapped the maxes, super teams would end because these guys could get paid just their market value and most teams could only afford one of these top ten superstars because they'd get paid double what they do today.
/end defense of player empowerment
that said, LOL fuck the Nets and KD. They deserve each other.
Disagree. Lebron started this "movement"(no pun intended). The Celtics had Pierce and traded for KG and Allen. Lebron engineered the superteam in Miami and it's set the NBA in a tailspin ever since.
RE: RE: The Celtics started the engineered super team
It's grown from there. The empowerment of these star players is inevitable over time because in the NBA star players have more effect on the outcome of games. remember, these players have capped salaries. Is there any other sport that does that? Why shouldn't they take these capped salaries and then try to engineer the best situation for themselves. If they uncapped the maxes, super teams would end because these guys could get paid just their market value and most teams could only afford one of these top ten superstars because they'd get paid double what they do today.
/end defense of player empowerment
that said, LOL fuck the Nets and KD. They deserve each other.
Disagree. Lebron started this "movement"(no pun intended). The Celtics had Pierce and traded for KG and Allen. Lebron engineered the superteam in Miami and it's set the NBA in a tailspin ever since.
Bingo!
"If they uncapped the maxes, super teams would end "
and probably even before that. jason kidd did with the nets at least once. riley choosing to not fire spo for lebron was probably the only time any organization has stood up to a super star coaching demand this century.
oversimplifying this to a superstar thinking a coach needs to be fired is exactly what kd is trying to do - deflect this demand as a normal thing and not a colossal blame shift to distract from how bad he was in Boston.
RE: RE: The Celtics started the engineered super team
It's grown from there. The empowerment of these star players is inevitable over time because in the NBA star players have more effect on the outcome of games. remember, these players have capped salaries. Is there any other sport that does that? Why shouldn't they take these capped salaries and then try to engineer the best situation for themselves. If they uncapped the maxes, super teams would end because these guys could get paid just their market value and most teams could only afford one of these top ten superstars because they'd get paid double what they do today.
/end defense of player empowerment
that said, LOL fuck the Nets and KD. They deserve each other.
Disagree. Lebron started this "movement"(no pun intended). The Celtics had Pierce and traded for KG and Allen. Lebron engineered the superteam in Miami and it's set the NBA in a tailspin ever since.
But KG did pick his destination. Or maybe Wade engineered the Miami super team? But then again wasn't it really Riley? Technically, the first guys to try and create a super team via cap space were McGrady and Grant Hill 10 years prior.
Regardless, there's a million examples of players not only influencing coaching changes, but forcing their way to better situations. Putting it on LeBron is absurd.
RE: It's not so much that Durant wants the coach and GM fired
It's that he already had Kenny Atkinson fired so that Nash could be hired, and now two years later he wants his handpicked coach to be fired *along with* the GM.
It's a bit much, no?
He’s bluffing. However, I think that the Nets should stop playing ultra hardball and actually try to make a trade.
The financial success of the whole operation is disproportionately on their back.
I don't subscribe to the theory the player must want to win at any cost (supposedly a virtue) -- but with the caveat it must be on the team that drafted him, without a good supporting cast, and with coaches and management that aren't very good.
Owners are ultimately responsible for sussing out guys who are buttholes. And make a judgement call if the risk is worth it.
orchestrated Paul Westhead's firing. Westhead led the Lakers to a title in 1980, but was replaced by assistant Pat Riley after the '81 season and the rest is history.
You go back to spring '16 & you'd be hard pressed to find a bigger KD fan than moi. But he lost me when he signed with the 73 win Dubs & then didn't understand why people lost their shit over that. Then the whole burner accounts & now this...
He's an all time great. No disputing that. But he is soft AF in my opinion. He is always looking for the easy way out.
he is not qualified and never was for the job--- he also is not good at it- and clearly does not have the players respect.
Too damn bad. Durant had a good coach fired because he didn’t want to be coached and he and your other clown Kyrie hand picked Nash. I for one am ecstatic those two are suffering the the consequences of their laughable arrogance
The financial success of the whole operation is disproportionately on their back.
You can say the same for just about any business. The workers are the backbone. That damn sure doesn’t mean they are qualified to make the business decisions.
he is not qualified and never was for the job--- he also is not good at it- and clearly does not have the players respect.
Optimus-NY : 2:41 pm : link : reply
Gotta love the NBA.
Just to play devil's advocate, didn't the universally beloved GOAT OB Tom Brady, quietly do the same thing in Tampa? Or are we all believing that story about the timing of Arians' retirement had nothing to do with his comeback?
I think I'd rather Kyrie as GM than Steve Mills.
I am trying to think of teams with more knuckleheads but none of those teams had two co-leaders at the same time or at least the knuckleheads were only a big problems due to their numbers. In this case, each of them is huge problem alone without the other.
I am trying to think of teams with more knuckleheads but none of those teams had two co-leaders at the same time or at least the knuckleheads were only a big problems due to their numbers. In this case, each of them is huge problem alone without the other.
Jailblazers
Nets are not winning a title with or without KD. Id trade him now, i get the offers arent great, but get what you can (which will still be a good deal im sure) and move on. He will be 34 when the season starts, he isnt getting better.
He should tell Durant he is under contract. They have no obligation to move him. He doesn't like it he can go home and not get paid. Or can show up, half ass it and ruin his legacy. His choice.
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Optimus-NY : 2:41 pm : link : reply
Gotta love the NBA.
Just to play devil's advocate, didn't the universally beloved GOAT OB Tom Brady, quietly do the same thing in Tampa? Or are we all believing that story about the timing of Arians' retirement had nothing to do with his comeback?
I believe you're right Semi-Pro, but what's you're point? It is true that ALL big-time players in any sport around the world have a louder voice in what happens behind the scenes, especially peak players like Tom Brady and Kevin Durant (Tom Cruise in Hollywood). It seems more prevalent in the NBA though.
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They did this to themselves.
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Optimus-NY : 2:41 pm : link : reply
Gotta love the NBA.
Just to play devil's advocate, didn't the universally beloved GOAT OB Tom Brady, quietly do the same thing in Tampa? Or are we all believing that story about the timing of Arians' retirement had nothing to do with his comeback?
It's okay when Brady or Rodgers do it because reasons.
Preferably the Maine Celtics.
no it can't. It's been going on for decades in the NBA.
So wrong. LeBron always honored all of his contracts.
I believe you're right Semi-Pro, but what's you're point? It is true that ALL big-time players in any sport around the world have a louder voice in what happens behind the scenes, especially peak players like Tom Brady and Kevin Durant (Tom Cruise in Hollywood). It seems more prevalent in the NBA though.
Giving it a bit more thought, I just wanted to push back on the narrative that it's an NBA problem instead of a more general sports problem. I agree that the NBA has more of the recent examples but I am pretty sure I can find cases in hockey, international soccer, and baseball with a little research.
Maybe this happened 30 years ago? I wouldn’t know, was too young, but if it was it was behind the scenes of a much better product.
Magic Johnson and Paul Westhead would like to speak to you. Probably Patrick Ewing and Don Nelson as well. But hey, name the coaches Lebron got fired and their circumstances for the class please
It's a bit much, no?
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I believe you're right Semi-Pro, but what's you're point? It is true that ALL big-time players in any sport around the world have a louder voice in what happens behind the scenes, especially peak players like Tom Brady and Kevin Durant (Tom Cruise in Hollywood). It seems more prevalent in the NBA though.
Giving it a bit more thought, I just wanted to push back on the narrative that it's an NBA problem instead of a more general sports problem. I agree that the NBA has more of the recent examples but I am pretty sure I can find cases in hockey, international soccer, and baseball with a little research.
Without a doubt you can. I'll take you a step beyond all this when it comes to international football (what only 'Muricans call Soccer). The Mafia and Serie A in Italy is some interesting shit as well as a scary trip into a dark reality that exists way worse than perception of players merely having an edge over owners in the NBA at the present time:
How mafia and corruption scandals rocked Italian football and left fans with a crisis of faith - 21 June, 2019 / The Conversation.com
The Mafia and Football in Italy - By Max Payne - 27 November, 2020 / The Laziali.com
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To Lebron. The crying and bitchiness started with him and the player followed his lead.
Magic Johnson and Paul Westhead would like to speak to you. Probably Patrick Ewing and Don Nelson as well. But hey, name the coaches Lebron got fired and their circumstances for the class please
Mike Brown
David Blatt
Luke Walton
Wanted Spolestra fired but Riley refused
Frank Vogel
You can throw in Paul Silas and the winning record he had when fired.
Is that enough for you?
nash has been terrible so bombs away but i hope tsai chooses marks over kd even if that means trading him.
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To Lebron.
no it can't. It's been going on for decades in the NBA.
No one did it more frequent as him.
/end defense of player empowerment
that said, LOL fuck the Nets and KD. They deserve each other.
Whereas wade recruited both James and Bosh as FA.
Kyrie and KD decided during the season they were teaming up…
/end defense of player empowerment
that said, LOL fuck the Nets and KD. They deserve each other.
Disagree. Lebron started this "movement"(no pun intended). The Celtics had Pierce and traded for KG and Allen. Lebron engineered the superteam in Miami and it's set the NBA in a tailspin ever since.
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It's grown from there. The empowerment of these star players is inevitable over time because in the NBA star players have more effect on the outcome of games. remember, these players have capped salaries. Is there any other sport that does that? Why shouldn't they take these capped salaries and then try to engineer the best situation for themselves. If they uncapped the maxes, super teams would end because these guys could get paid just their market value and most teams could only afford one of these top ten superstars because they'd get paid double what they do today.
/end defense of player empowerment
that said, LOL fuck the Nets and KD. They deserve each other.
Disagree. Lebron started this "movement"(no pun intended). The Celtics had Pierce and traded for KG and Allen. Lebron engineered the superteam in Miami and it's set the NBA in a tailspin ever since.
Bingo!
The owners have tried to get a handle on player movement in every CBA and they keep failing. All it would take is a hard cap with no maxes. Done.
oversimplifying this to a superstar thinking a coach needs to be fired is exactly what kd is trying to do - deflect this demand as a normal thing and not a colossal blame shift to distract from how bad he was in Boston.
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It's grown from there. The empowerment of these star players is inevitable over time because in the NBA star players have more effect on the outcome of games. remember, these players have capped salaries. Is there any other sport that does that? Why shouldn't they take these capped salaries and then try to engineer the best situation for themselves. If they uncapped the maxes, super teams would end because these guys could get paid just their market value and most teams could only afford one of these top ten superstars because they'd get paid double what they do today.
/end defense of player empowerment
that said, LOL fuck the Nets and KD. They deserve each other.
Disagree. Lebron started this "movement"(no pun intended). The Celtics had Pierce and traded for KG and Allen. Lebron engineered the superteam in Miami and it's set the NBA in a tailspin ever since.
But KG did pick his destination. Or maybe Wade engineered the Miami super team? But then again wasn't it really Riley? Technically, the first guys to try and create a super team via cap space were McGrady and Grant Hill 10 years prior.
Regardless, there's a million examples of players not only influencing coaching changes, but forcing their way to better situations. Putting it on LeBron is absurd.
It's a bit much, no?
He’s bluffing. However, I think that the Nets should stop playing ultra hardball and actually try to make a trade.
The financial success of the whole operation is disproportionately on their back.
I don't subscribe to the theory the player must want to win at any cost (supposedly a virtue) -- but with the caveat it must be on the team that drafted him, without a good supporting cast, and with coaches and management that aren't very good.
Owners are ultimately responsible for sussing out guys who are buttholes. And make a judgement call if the risk is worth it.
He's an all time great. No disputing that. But he is soft AF in my opinion. He is always looking for the easy way out.
he is not qualified and never was for the job--- he also is not good at it- and clearly does not have the players respect.
Too damn bad. Durant had a good coach fired because he didn’t want to be coached and he and your other clown Kyrie hand picked Nash. I for one am ecstatic those two are suffering the the consequences of their laughable arrogance
The financial success of the whole operation is disproportionately on their back.
You can say the same for just about any business. The workers are the backbone. That damn sure doesn’t mean they are qualified to make the business decisions.