Why would you doubt that Daboll/Schoen is even CONSIDERING getting a look at Tyrod with the 1st teasers in practice?? Please explain.
I, of course, don’t really know but they are football professionals not posters on a football website. I think they know a lot more than we do and aren’t panicking which is what I see here.
but for all the folks posting in the camp thread earlier about nitpicking Jones's play, its just practice etc.. what is your answer now after reading Sy's report?
I am one and my stance remains the same. This is a practice in August, and all will be unfolded during real games. Daboll, who knows a lot more than anyone here about what Jones is supposed to be doing, will make the correct decision. I think jumping around after each practice critiquing his play, without knowing much more about what they are running, doesn't really matter. The games will be the test and if this is how he looks then Daboll will bench him.
I frankly am losing patience with Jones too, and if Tyrod can play even the same I'd start him and draft a QB in 2023. However to me practices are for trying things out and learning. I will make my judgements after games not practices.
This is where I'm at. Everyone is nitpicking every single thing this camp which is understandable. Anyone who thought the offense was just going to somehow become fantastic within 2 weeks of camp in another new scheme with mostly the same players? Well I'm not sure why anyone is surprised. I choose to do what Sy suggested and have a beer... and let Schoen and Daboll figure it out.... "Nobody can put the nail in the coffin right now and anyone that does needs to sit down and relax with a beer."
Is it concerning? Sure. But it is what it is and it's still WAY early. We don't even know what exactly we are looking at on the field in a summer camp practice. I mean, they ran all play action? I'm just not ready to panic... yet.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Remember Taylor is playing against the 2s
It’s not like they are alternating with the 1s and he’s looking better there. And I’m making no excuses for anyone. Just keeping it in perspective.
He is also playing with the 2's
Exactly.
We NEED to see Tyrod with the 1s now in order to get the best evaluation of the position. It would almost be negligent to not give Tyrod 1st reps especially if Daniel continues to struggle/LOOK BAD
I think "politically" they give Jones a preseason game or two. If it still looks this way then they start letting Tyrod run some with the #1s. Whenever they do though, it will be seen as a major change by whole team. There will be no going back, so when they do it I bet they would have already made the decision to switch. You can't "sort of" switch
I agree with this. Daboll may already know Jones ain't it, but he doesn't need to rush either. There's actually plenty of time to make the switch. I think he lets Jones go into preseason as the presumptive starter and if he screws the pooch, a transition will be easy to do. It's best if Mara is on board.
I said it on the last day of the draft and I’ll say it again
Yusuf Corker was a steal as an UDFA and he will make this team and will contribute immediately. I feel he’s better than Dane Belton
Earl, thanks, a kingdom for an anything-but-Jones post.
I've thought the same, and Adams as an experienced fill-in could help. I wish the hell Rodarius Williams would get the hell back on the field and show some talent, and maybe we're not so thin in the secondary after all.
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I agree with this. Daboll may already know Jones ain't it, but he doesn't need to rush either. There's actually plenty of time to make the switch. I think he lets Jones go into preseason as the presumptive starter and if he screws the pooch, a transition will be easy to do. It's best if Mara is on board.
Producer, that may be one of your most balanced posts on this matter yet. Belly up to the bar and I'll buy you a drink. (:
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Remember Taylor is playing against the 2s
I agree with this. Daboll may already know Jones ain't it, but he doesn't need to rush either. There's actually plenty of time to make the switch. I think he lets Jones go into preseason as the presumptive starter and if he screws the pooch, a transition will be easy to do. It's best if Mara is on board.
Producer, that may be one of your most balanced posts on this matter yet. Belly up to the bar and I'll buy you a drink. (:
Thanks. I mean don't get me wrong. I have felt for a while QB is a 5 alarm fire for us. I would have taken a QB in the 3rd round. But the time to act hastily has passed. And now Daboll has time to let it play out.
For Daniel's sake, I'm glad the preseason opener is in Foxboro. Because if he plays like he practiced today, man...the boo birds will be out early & in full force. Hopefully he looks good vs. NE & all but says 'STFU' to me & his detractors.
It’s not like they are alternating with the 1s and he’s looking better there. And I’m making no excuses for anyone. Just keeping it in perspective.
He is also playing with the 2's
Exactly.
We NEED to see Tyrod with the 1s now in order to get the best evaluation of the position. It would almost be negligent to not give Tyrod 1st reps especially if Daniel continues to struggle/LOOK BAD
I think "politically" they give Jones a preseason game or two. If it still looks this way then they start letting Tyrod run some with the #1s. Whenever they do though, it will be seen as a major change by whole team. There will be no going back, so when they do it I bet they would have already made the decision to switch. You can't "sort of" switch
I agree with this. Daboll may already know Jones ain't it, but he doesn't need to rush either. There's actually plenty of time to make the switch. I think he lets Jones go into preseason as the presumptive starter and if he screws the pooch, a transition will be easy to do. It's best if Mara is on board.
We'll said by all here. And I m not a Jones hater. I ve been a wait and see guy. But admitting Sy's reports have got my attention
RE: RE: This whole thing is going to come to a head
with the last QB class being so poor I've been 100% on-board with holding off until the 2023 draft. It didn't make sense to use their limited capital this offseason on someone that would not be a significant upgrade. Ride it out with Jones and Taylor, historically either one or both of them are not going to last the entire season health-wise. I think Jimmy G is a better option, you could do worse, but you can also do much better. I'd rather spend resources on a rookie you have conviction in that could be even greater and let Taylor be the stopgap on the cheap.
The offense this year is going to be run through Barkley and Wan'dale, along with Toney. Hope that the young OL and TEs develop throughout the year. It's hard to trust 2 out of those 3 to not have another year of nagging injuries given prior history.. The defense is going to have to carry this team for the next couple of seasons as the offense is retooled. The offense has been downright broken since 2013.
I’m starting to think that last season’s injury took more out of Jones
We don't need any "gray areas" with the QB. If Jones can't hack it, it's better to make the decision soon and plan to address the position in 2023.
Remember, Taylor signed a 2-year deal.
Agreed it’s the right way to look at it. Shit or get off the pot.
I’m basically going into this season with an eye on the defense and OL. To me those are the units that need to show legit winning growth. Excluding some of the younger skill players like Toney and Robinson everything else is sort of gravy.
On another note, if the giants truly think jones is a lost cause I still think they might in fact bring in Jimmy G. The gulf between pretty good and pretty bad at qb IS the difference between relevant and done by November. You just can’t survive in the nfl at all with bad qb play. I don’t even love Jimmy G, haven’t since the 4th quarter of that super bowl he played in, but he’s miles ahead of BAD. And that can make all the difference, especially with a young team.
Would I bet on it? No, but i wouldn’t be shocked by any stretch.
Golloday will both be cut next year. The new regime will want to rid themselves of rot. That also includes the shitty QB.
Not happening, they will be utilized properly and not $23M in dead cap space
When one guy can’t run, and the other has zero interest in football, that usually means they will be kicked to the curb.
Zero interest in football? Not buying that. The guy has other interests. That’s allowed. Supposably he has been working hard since he showed up late to non mandatory camp
and he should. You go from that point. BD will evaluate based on his performance relative to the supporting cast doing its job. It will be clear to most.
I don't think it is a huge deal but keep in mind Taylor played for the Ravens for 4 years. Wink was the LB coach but a lot of that defensive system has been around for well over a decade. Perhaps some familiarity here. I will say again take a look at BD's/Allen's performance against the Ravens. Physicality presented problems to his system. Let's hope he learned a lesson and builds accordingly.
According to Sy, "I got some looks at the tight ends and backs in a pass protection drill. While this is always tilted in the favor or the defenders, it was ugly. Daniel Bellinger got roasted on all three attempts I saw, and it wasn’t close."
Bellinger, out of San Diego State, was primarily a blocking TE in college since SDS ran the ball more than most college teams. I realize blocking on pass plays is not the same as blocking on running plays, but if Bellinger can't block 2nd string NFL defenders, this is a problem.
According to Sy, "I got some looks at the tight ends and backs in a pass protection drill. While this is always tilted in the favor or the defenders, it was ugly. Daniel Bellinger got roasted on all three attempts I saw, and it wasn’t close."
Bellinger, out of San Diego State, was primarily a blocking TE in college since SDS ran the ball more than most college teams. I realize blocking on pass plays is not the same as blocking on running plays, but if Bellinger can't block 2nd string NFL defenders, this is a problem.
Mistake? He is a 4th round pick. Blocking in the NFL is really hard. And the Giants 2nd stringers are decent. TE is the last position on offense I worry about at this point. Blocking is a mindset. If he wants to learn how to block and become proficient, he will.
I dont fully believe pulling the plug on Jones is purely a daboll decision.
Mara is personally invested in Jones, or else he wouldn't have gone out of his way to remark that they did everything possible to mess him up.
Could happen sooner. If he doesn't give a good account of himself in the three pre-season games, they still start him and he again doesn't give a good account of himself, it could happen after two games.
What’s the ceiling of the team if he’s the starter for 17 games? Maybe the Coach and GM just want to win games and have zero allegiance to Jones, so who cares. It will be interesting.
If Kenny Golladay can’t get open, would you advocate that he not start?
The point in starting TT over DJ would be if you think DJ simply cannot successfully run the offense, you're basically throwing away a year of development for the other players on offense.
That's why some fans have a problem with scholarship players, especially at QB. A mediocre QB doesn't only hold back the win/loss record, he can also stunt the growth of those around him (or make them look worse than they actually are).
If TT gives Schoen/Daboll a better chance to evaluate the other players on the roster, that's potentially more valuable than finding out whether DJ is a bottom rung starter vs. a top end backup. That, of course, assumes that the possibility of DJ being a really good (or better) starter has been eliminated. But that will obviously be implied regardless if we reach a point where Taylor is starting over Jones.
We don't need any "gray areas" with the QB. If Jones can't hack it, it's better to make the decision soon and plan to address the position in 2023.
Remember, Taylor signed a 2-year deal.
This is spot on. TBH, it's surprising to me that this was such a gray area in the first place. I get it, things around him have been so bad you can't completely rule out him being a legit top QB with 100% certainty, but there are just too many red flags in what we have seen (decision making, accuracy, etc.) with virtually no signs to the contrary (elevating play of team around him, clutch performances, etc.) that it just seems a stretch to believe he will ever become the guy. Let's face it, DJ was a curious Dave Gettlemen pick from the start, should there be any surprise how things are playing out?
amazing that a team that was left in salary cap shambles has no #1 QB, #1 WR or #1 TE.
I think Toney still has a chance to be a # 1 receiver. Plus Golladay has been in the past.
I do wonder how much that hip injury has hampered Golladay. He was never the fastest guy to begin with, and I suspect the hip may have taken another step away from him. Another reason that it is unwise to sign a guy coming off a major injury.
RE: RE: We need to be absolutely sure DJ is not the answer
If it means one more horrible season so be it. Having a high pick to this time get the QB we need….maybe that’s not so bad.
I don't think Daboll and his staff need to play Jones for "one more horrible season" to determine whether or not he's out QB of the future.
They see him in practice every day and have 3 years of game film. I think they already know the answer.
If they already knew the answer they would have picked up his 5 th year option or moved on. There is no way they would just throw away a season on a guy they know can’t get it done.
Fans who believe they would don’t factor into their theory the competitive nature of these guys.
I’m disappointed Schoen didn’t have confidence in his scouting ability to watch the tape of Jones last year, and take a stance.
If Jones has the requisite talent, a 2 year commitment isn’t a huge gamble. Picking up the option signals, “I understand this is going to take a couple of years to get settled, but I see enough in this guy to try and make it work.”m
And if you don’t see the things, walk away.
It’s the only move the Giants made this offseason I dislike.
Picking up the option is an additional financial commitment.
But things like that are what people use to conclude that Jones is take or leave in the talent department. Pay attention to what front offices do, not what they say. You will never get a candid evaluation of his ability from the front office. The day he is cut or they let his contract run out they will say they believe he's a starter in this league but it just didn't work out here.
Schoen & Daboll already know their answer on Jones otherwise
His presence on the roster for another season is more of a function of the weak QB choices that existed in the 2022 draft and that his salary was already guaranteed this year.
Besides, by not extending the option, Schoen got what he wanted without looking like he was going "scorched earth" in the building during year 1...
RE: Schoen & Daboll already know their answer on Jones otherwise
His presence on the roster for another season is more of a function of the weak QB choices that existed in the 2022 draft and that his salary was already guaranteed this year.
Besides, by not extending the option, Schoen got what he wanted without looking like he was going "scorched earth" in the building during year 1...
Yep, that and paying $5 mill for Taylor as a backup.
may have been the least bad of bad QB choices, and declining to pick up the option clearly indicates they aren't sold on him, I don't think they've concluded he's not the answer. DJ is being given the best opportunity possible to succeed.
Taylor was a wise signing no matter what. They needed a good backup, and he's a good hedge this year/bridge going into next year. I don't think you can read anything regarding DJ with the TT signing.
They may also not want the most wins possible (outside a miraculous season). Tayler might give them more W's, but he likely doesn't get them far. Come draft time, they'll want to be as close to the top as possible.
Even though DJ probably won't rise to the occasion, he is the most likely to be the starting QB (currently on the roster) of the future.
I’m disappointed Schoen didn’t have confidence in his scouting ability to watch the tape of Jones last year, and take a stance.
If Jones has the requisite talent, a 2 year commitment isn’t a huge gamble. Picking up the option signals, “I understand this is going to take a couple of years to get settled, but I see enough in this guy to try and make it work.”m
And if you don’t see the things, walk away.
It’s the only move the Giants made this offseason I dislike.
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Why would you doubt that Daboll/Schoen is even CONSIDERING getting a look at Tyrod with the 1st teasers in practice?? Please explain.
I, of course, don’t really know but they are football professionals not posters on a football website. I think they know a lot more than we do and aren’t panicking which is what I see here.
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but for all the folks posting in the camp thread earlier about nitpicking Jones's play, its just practice etc.. what is your answer now after reading Sy's report?
I am one and my stance remains the same. This is a practice in August, and all will be unfolded during real games. Daboll, who knows a lot more than anyone here about what Jones is supposed to be doing, will make the correct decision. I think jumping around after each practice critiquing his play, without knowing much more about what they are running, doesn't really matter. The games will be the test and if this is how he looks then Daboll will bench him.
I frankly am losing patience with Jones too, and if Tyrod can play even the same I'd start him and draft a QB in 2023. However to me practices are for trying things out and learning. I will make my judgements after games not practices.
This is where I'm at. Everyone is nitpicking every single thing this camp which is understandable. Anyone who thought the offense was just going to somehow become fantastic within 2 weeks of camp in another new scheme with mostly the same players? Well I'm not sure why anyone is surprised. I choose to do what Sy suggested and have a beer... and let Schoen and Daboll figure it out.... "Nobody can put the nail in the coffin right now and anyone that does needs to sit down and relax with a beer."
Is it concerning? Sure. But it is what it is and it's still WAY early. We don't even know what exactly we are looking at on the field in a summer camp practice. I mean, they ran all play action? I'm just not ready to panic... yet.
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It’s not like they are alternating with the 1s and he’s looking better there. And I’m making no excuses for anyone. Just keeping it in perspective.
He is also playing with the 2's
Exactly.
We NEED to see Tyrod with the 1s now in order to get the best evaluation of the position. It would almost be negligent to not give Tyrod 1st reps especially if Daniel continues to struggle/LOOK BAD
I think "politically" they give Jones a preseason game or two. If it still looks this way then they start letting Tyrod run some with the #1s. Whenever they do though, it will be seen as a major change by whole team. There will be no going back, so when they do it I bet they would have already made the decision to switch. You can't "sort of" switch
I agree with this. Daboll may already know Jones ain't it, but he doesn't need to rush either. There's actually plenty of time to make the switch. I think he lets Jones go into preseason as the presumptive starter and if he screws the pooch, a transition will be easy to do. It's best if Mara is on board.
Yusuf Corker was a steal as an UDFA and he will make this team and will contribute immediately. I feel he’s better than Dane Belton
Earl, thanks, a kingdom for an anything-but-Jones post.
I've thought the same, and Adams as an experienced fill-in could help. I wish the hell Rodarius Williams would get the hell back on the field and show some talent, and maybe we're not so thin in the secondary after all.
Producer, that may be one of your most balanced posts on this matter yet. Belly up to the bar and I'll buy you a drink. (:
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I agree with this. Daboll may already know Jones ain't it, but he doesn't need to rush either. There's actually plenty of time to make the switch. I think he lets Jones go into preseason as the presumptive starter and if he screws the pooch, a transition will be easy to do. It's best if Mara is on board.
Producer, that may be one of your most balanced posts on this matter yet. Belly up to the bar and I'll buy you a drink. (:
Thanks. I mean don't get me wrong. I have felt for a while QB is a 5 alarm fire for us. I would have taken a QB in the 3rd round. But the time to act hastily has passed. And now Daboll has time to let it play out.
If Thursday night is not a successful evening for Jones, then watch out.
Nothing easy. I get the red jersey but I remember coaches not blitzing....to give the QB an easy practice.
Make it hard....I assume Winks defense is harder than most....I am perfectly fine with it. Remove the training wheels....
Daboll said to throw it....and learn from the mistakes.
We all understand, Daniel Jones must turn it around....big time for him to be resigned.
Let's get it all out....for better or worse.
If he is going to suck....so be it.
I do not want any part of Jimmy G...especially if its going to cost capital. Live with T.Taylor.
If Thursday night is not a successful evening for Jones, then watch out.
I bet he plays 1 maybe 2 series. Daboll said all will play, but normally game one doesn't use starters
Needs to play every single preseason game. He needs every rep he can get. Get his confidence up against the 2nd and 3rd stringers.
I don't think Daboll and his staff need to play Jones for "one more horrible season" to determine whether or not he's out QB of the future.
They see him in practice every day and have 3 years of game film. I think they already know the answer.
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It’s not like they are alternating with the 1s and he’s looking better there. And I’m making no excuses for anyone. Just keeping it in perspective.
He is also playing with the 2's
Exactly.
We NEED to see Tyrod with the 1s now in order to get the best evaluation of the position. It would almost be negligent to not give Tyrod 1st reps especially if Daniel continues to struggle/LOOK BAD
I think "politically" they give Jones a preseason game or two. If it still looks this way then they start letting Tyrod run some with the #1s. Whenever they do though, it will be seen as a major change by whole team. There will be no going back, so when they do it I bet they would have already made the decision to switch. You can't "sort of" switch
I agree with this. Daboll may already know Jones ain't it, but he doesn't need to rush either. There's actually plenty of time to make the switch. I think he lets Jones go into preseason as the presumptive starter and if he screws the pooch, a transition will be easy to do. It's best if Mara is on board.
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in a few days.
If Thursday night is not a successful evening for Jones, then watch out.
I bet he plays 1 maybe 2 series. Daboll said all will play, but normally game one doesn't use starters
I think you can throw out some of the norms for preseason games that this club followed in the past.
Mara is personally invested in Jones, or else he wouldn't have gone out of his way to remark that they did everything possible to mess him up.
The offense this year is going to be run through Barkley and Wan'dale, along with Toney. Hope that the young OL and TEs develop throughout the year. It's hard to trust 2 out of those 3 to not have another year of nagging injuries given prior history.. The defense is going to have to carry this team for the next couple of seasons as the offense is retooled. The offense has been downright broken since 2013.
Not happening, they will be utilized properly and not $23M in dead cap space
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Golloday will both be cut next year. The new regime will want to rid themselves of rot. That also includes the shitty QB.
Not happening, they will be utilized properly and not $23M in dead cap space
When one guy can’t run, and the other has zero interest in football, that usually means they will be kicked to the curb.
We don't need any "gray areas" with the QB. If Jones can't hack it, it's better to make the decision soon and plan to address the position in 2023.
Remember, Taylor signed a 2-year deal.
Agreed it’s the right way to look at it. Shit or get off the pot.
I’m basically going into this season with an eye on the defense and OL. To me those are the units that need to show legit winning growth. Excluding some of the younger skill players like Toney and Robinson everything else is sort of gravy.
On another note, if the giants truly think jones is a lost cause I still think they might in fact bring in Jimmy G. The gulf between pretty good and pretty bad at qb IS the difference between relevant and done by November. You just can’t survive in the nfl at all with bad qb play. I don’t even love Jimmy G, haven’t since the 4th quarter of that super bowl he played in, but he’s miles ahead of BAD. And that can make all the difference, especially with a young team.
Would I bet on it? No, but i wouldn’t be shocked by any stretch.
Toney? - they seem to love the guy.
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Golloday will both be cut next year. The new regime will want to rid themselves of rot. That also includes the shitty QB.
Not happening, they will be utilized properly and not $23M in dead cap space
When one guy can’t run, and the other has zero interest in football, that usually means they will be kicked to the curb.
Zero interest in football? Not buying that. The guy has other interests. That’s allowed. Supposably he has been working hard since he showed up late to non mandatory camp
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Golloday will both be cut next year. The new regime will want to rid themselves of rot. That also includes the shitty QB.
Toney? - they seem to love the guy.
KG cap hit isn’t 23 million next yr. Dead cap may be half that.
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Golloday will both be cut next year. The new regime will want to rid themselves of rot. That also includes the shitty QB.
Not happening, they will be utilized properly and not $23M in dead cap space
When one guy can’t run, and the other has zero interest in football, that usually means they will be kicked to the curb.
Get some new narratives as these are old, boring and inaccurate.
I don't think it is a huge deal but keep in mind Taylor played for the Ravens for 4 years. Wink was the LB coach but a lot of that defensive system has been around for well over a decade. Perhaps some familiarity here. I will say again take a look at BD's/Allen's performance against the Ravens. Physicality presented problems to his system. Let's hope he learned a lesson and builds accordingly.
According to Sy, "I got some looks at the tight ends and backs in a pass protection drill. While this is always tilted in the favor or the defenders, it was ugly. Daniel Bellinger got roasted on all three attempts I saw, and it wasn’t close."
Bellinger, out of San Diego State, was primarily a blocking TE in college since SDS ran the ball more than most college teams. I realize blocking on pass plays is not the same as blocking on running plays, but if Bellinger can't block 2nd string NFL defenders, this is a problem.
According to Sy, "I got some looks at the tight ends and backs in a pass protection drill. While this is always tilted in the favor or the defenders, it was ugly. Daniel Bellinger got roasted on all three attempts I saw, and it wasn’t close."
Bellinger, out of San Diego State, was primarily a blocking TE in college since SDS ran the ball more than most college teams. I realize blocking on pass plays is not the same as blocking on running plays, but if Bellinger can't block 2nd string NFL defenders, this is a problem.
Mistake? He is a 4th round pick. Blocking in the NFL is really hard. And the Giants 2nd stringers are decent. TE is the last position on offense I worry about at this point. Blocking is a mindset. If he wants to learn how to block and become proficient, he will.
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Golloday will both be cut next year. The new regime will want to rid themselves of rot. That also includes the shitty QB.
Not happening, they will be utilized properly and not $23M in dead cap space
When one guy can’t run, and the other has zero interest in football, that usually means they will be kicked to the curb.
Get some new narratives as these are old, boring and inaccurate.
How old can they be since you only joined the site about a month or so ago?
Daboll is going to want someone who he can trust, they will say all the right things for now but eventually its time to shit or get off the pot
Mara is personally invested in Jones, or else he wouldn't have gone out of his way to remark that they did everything possible to mess him up.
Could happen sooner. If he doesn't give a good account of himself in the three pre-season games, they still start him and he again doesn't give a good account of himself, it could happen after two games.
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I think Toney still has a chance to be a # 1 receiver. Plus Golladay has been in the past.
If Kenny Golladay can’t get open, would you advocate that he not start?
The point in starting TT over DJ would be if you think DJ simply cannot successfully run the offense, you're basically throwing away a year of development for the other players on offense.
That's why some fans have a problem with scholarship players, especially at QB. A mediocre QB doesn't only hold back the win/loss record, he can also stunt the growth of those around him (or make them look worse than they actually are).
If TT gives Schoen/Daboll a better chance to evaluate the other players on the roster, that's potentially more valuable than finding out whether DJ is a bottom rung starter vs. a top end backup. That, of course, assumes that the possibility of DJ being a really good (or better) starter has been eliminated. But that will obviously be implied regardless if we reach a point where Taylor is starting over Jones.
We don't need any "gray areas" with the QB. If Jones can't hack it, it's better to make the decision soon and plan to address the position in 2023.
Remember, Taylor signed a 2-year deal.
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amazing that a team that was left in salary cap shambles has no #1 QB, #1 WR or #1 TE.
I think Toney still has a chance to be a # 1 receiver. Plus Golladay has been in the past.
I do wonder how much that hip injury has hampered Golladay. He was never the fastest guy to begin with, and I suspect the hip may have taken another step away from him. Another reason that it is unwise to sign a guy coming off a major injury.
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If it means one more horrible season so be it. Having a high pick to this time get the QB we need….maybe that’s not so bad.
I don't think Daboll and his staff need to play Jones for "one more horrible season" to determine whether or not he's out QB of the future.
They see him in practice every day and have 3 years of game film. I think they already know the answer.
If they already knew the answer they would have picked up his 5 th year option or moved on. There is no way they would just throw away a season on a guy they know can’t get it done.
Fans who believe they would don’t factor into their theory the competitive nature of these guys.
If Jones has the requisite talent, a 2 year commitment isn’t a huge gamble. Picking up the option signals, “I understand this is going to take a couple of years to get settled, but I see enough in this guy to try and make it work.”m
And if you don’t see the things, walk away.
It’s the only move the Giants made this offseason I dislike.
His presence on the roster for another season is more of a function of the weak QB choices that existed in the 2022 draft and that his salary was already guaranteed this year.
Besides, by not extending the option, Schoen got what he wanted without looking like he was going "scorched earth" in the building during year 1...
His presence on the roster for another season is more of a function of the weak QB choices that existed in the 2022 draft and that his salary was already guaranteed this year.
Besides, by not extending the option, Schoen got what he wanted without looking like he was going "scorched earth" in the building during year 1...
Yep, that and paying $5 mill for Taylor as a backup.
Taylor was a wise signing no matter what. They needed a good backup, and he's a good hedge this year/bridge going into next year. I don't think you can read anything regarding DJ with the TT signing.
They may also not want the most wins possible (outside a miraculous season). Tayler might give them more W's, but he likely doesn't get them far. Come draft time, they'll want to be as close to the top as possible.
Even though DJ probably won't rise to the occasion, he is the most likely to be the starting QB (currently on the roster) of the future.
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Golloday will both be cut next year. The new regime will want to rid themselves of rot. That also includes the shitty QB.
Not happening, they will be utilized properly and not $23M in dead cap space
When one guy can’t run, and the other has zero interest in football, that usually means they will be kicked to the curb.
Get some new narratives as these are old, boring and inaccurate.
How old can they be since you only joined the site about a month or so ago?
Maybe he/she is a time traveler?
There's a chance that his injury may have had long term effects on his game.
Maybe he'll never have the physical skills (that many questioned to begin with) he once had.
There's a chance that his injury may have had long term effects on his game.
Maybe he'll never have the physical skills (that many questioned to begin with) he once had.
Has there been anything over the last few months suggesting this is a real concern?
What physical skills have taken a step back since that injury?
If Jones has the requisite talent, a 2 year commitment isn’t a huge gamble. Picking up the option signals, “I understand this is going to take a couple of years to get settled, but I see enough in this guy to try and make it work.”m
And if you don’t see the things, walk away.
It’s the only move the Giants made this offseason I dislike.