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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/8/2022 4:22 pm
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Paging Jimmy G....paging Jimmy G to the white courtesy phone  
Jints in Carolina : 8/8/2022 4:31 pm : link
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Is there any point in starting Tyrod Taylor?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/8/2022 4:32 pm : link
What’s the ceiling of the team if he’s the starter for 17 games? Maybe the Coach and GM just want to win games and have zero allegiance to Jones, so who cares. It will be interesting.

If Kenny Golladay can’t get open, would you advocate that he not start?
RE: Paging Jimmy G....paging Jimmy G to the white courtesy phone  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/8/2022 4:32 pm : link
In comment 15775034 Jints in Carolina said:
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I’d rather watch Tyrod Taylor.
RE: Is there any point in starting Tyrod Taylor?  
jvm52106 : 8/8/2022 4:35 pm : link
In comment 15775035 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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What’s the ceiling of the team if he’s the starter for 17 games? Maybe the Coach and GM just want to win games and have zero allegiance to Jones, so who cares. It will be interesting.

If Kenny Golladay can’t get open, would you advocate that he not start?


YES. He is under contract through next year. If he starts now, he is kind of your built in mentor for next year. Waste time with Jones, get the same uneven play we have had, some possible bad juju that continues to build. If Taylor is out playing Jones, and others see it, then the new staff has to do the right thing and say Taylor is our guy or go get Jimmy G (if the 49ers will pay part of his salary this year).

And yes, Jimmy G is better than Daniel Jones!
There is a positive way  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/8/2022 4:36 pm : link
to look at this.

We don't need any "gray areas" with the QB. If Jones can't hack it, it's better to make the decision soon and plan to address the position in 2023.

Remember, Taylor signed a 2-year deal.
Just curious  
jvm52106 : 8/8/2022 4:37 pm : link
but for all the folks posting in the camp thread earlier about nitpicking Jones's play, its just practice etc.. what is your answer now after reading Sy's report?
RE: RE: Is there any point in starting Tyrod Taylor?  
BigBlueJ : 8/8/2022 4:37 pm : link
In comment 15775041 jvm52106 said:
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What’s the ceiling of the team if he’s the starter for 17 games? Maybe the Coach and GM just want to win games and have zero allegiance to Jones, so who cares. It will be interesting.

If Kenny Golladay can’t get open, would you advocate that he not start?



YES. He is under contract through next year. If he starts now, he is kind of your built in mentor for next year. Waste time with Jones, get the same uneven play we have had, some possible bad juju that continues to build. If Taylor is out playing Jones, and others see it, then the new staff has to do the right thing and say Taylor is our guy or go get Jimmy G (if the 49ers will pay part of his salary this year).

And yes, Jimmy G is better than Daniel Jones!


If you QB sucks then ALL development on the offense suffers. So you must put the best player on the field and if that is Tyrod it is Tyrod. What do we owe DJ??
We need to be absolutely sure DJ is not the answer  
gersh : 8/8/2022 4:39 pm : link
If it means one more horrible season so be it. Having a high pick to this time get the QB we need….maybe that’s not so bad.
It's  
Professor Falken : 8/8/2022 4:39 pm : link
amazing that a team that was left in salary cap shambles has no #1 QB, #1 WR or #1 TE.
These throws are pretty awful for a 4th year QB  
ajr2456 : 8/8/2022 4:39 pm : link
In practice

https://twitter.com/ethangsn/status/1556674477945151489?s=21&t=GcytTS3Ug3uuI_PfWWCEgQ

https://twitter.com/thegianttakepod/status/1556661761184514049?s=21&t=GcytTS3Ug3uuI_PfWWCEgQ
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/8/2022 4:41 pm : link
It just feels inevitable TT is going to be starting sometime this fall.
Remember Taylor is playing against the 2s  
BillT : 8/8/2022 4:43 pm : link
It’s not like they are alternating with the 1s and he’s looking better there. And I’m making no excuses for anyone. Just keeping it in perspective.
RE: ...  
Jints in Carolina : 8/8/2022 4:43 pm : link
In comment 15775050 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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It just feels inevitable TT is going to be starting sometime this fall.


And I am ok with that
RE: Is there any point in starting Tyrod Taylor?  
santacruzom : 8/8/2022 4:47 pm : link
In comment 15775035 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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What’s the ceiling of the team if he’s the starter for 17 games?


Who knows, but it's not impossible that Taylor actually becomes a quality quarterback you can win with at this stage in his career. It's happened before (Rich Gannon, for instance).
RE: There is a positive way  
ChrisRick : 8/8/2022 4:47 pm : link
In comment 15775042 Eric from BBI said:
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to look at this.

We don't need any "gray areas" with the QB. If Jones can't hack it, it's better to make the decision soon and plan to address the position in 2023.

Remember, Taylor signed a 2-year deal.


Yep, lets get an ending to the Daniel Jones situation whether good( not likely) or bad
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Gap92 : 8/8/2022 4:48 pm : link


RE: These throws are pretty awful for a 4th year QB  
jvm52106 : 8/8/2022 4:49 pm : link
In comment 15775049 ajr2456 said:
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In practice

https://twitter.com/ethangsn/status/1556674477945151489?s=21&t=GcytTS3Ug3uuI_PfWWCEgQ

https://twitter.com/thegianttakepod/status/1556661761184514049?s=21&t=GcytTS3Ug3uuI_PfWWCEgQ


This is what I am talking about. Those two passes have NOTHING to do with needs time or new scheme. Johnson was wide open to Jones's left, Jones throws a late floating ball more to the right of Johnson (ie back towards the middle of teh field) instead of leading him. That was a horrible pass.

The second pass, picked by Jackson is a way late read adn horrible pass to a tall WR. It isn't like he overthrew Robinson for god sakes. It is a slow decision, hastily thrown (meaning poor mechanics and follow through) and way overthrown.

The defending Jones time is over. He just isn't that guy. He makes Joey Harrington look like Joe Burrow.
RE: RE: Is there any point in starting Tyrod Taylor?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/8/2022 4:55 pm : link
In comment 15775041 jvm52106 said:
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In comment 15775035 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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What’s the ceiling of the team if he’s the starter for 17 games? Maybe the Coach and GM just want to win games and have zero allegiance to Jones, so who cares. It will be interesting.

If Kenny Golladay can’t get open, would you advocate that he not start?



YES. He is under contract through next year. If he starts now, he is kind of your built in mentor for next year. Waste time with Jones, get the same uneven play we have had, some possible bad juju that continues to build. If Taylor is out playing Jones, and others see it, then the new staff has to do the right thing and say Taylor is our guy or go get Jimmy G (if the 49ers will pay part of his salary this year).

And yes, Jimmy G is better than Daniel Jones!


In a situation that will lack Bill Belichick, Josh McDaniels, Kyle Shanahan, George Kittle, Deebo Samuels, and Trent Williams, my confidence in Jimmy G isn’t particularly high. But once again, what would be the point? What’s the ceiling? Is winning 8 games that important?

I hope that whoever the Giants draft to be their franchise QB doesn’t need a “built in mentor”. Joe Burrow didn’t need one.
What's surprising to me  
Josh in the City : 8/8/2022 5:00 pm : link
is that Jones' arm seems to have gotten worse every year he's been in the league. As a rookie he seemed to have substantial zip on his passes. Last season I kept pointing out how the ball was fluttering and the zip was completely gone. He's had major issues throwing outside the hashes and these plays in camp seem to make the issue seem even worse. Unless he looks like a drastically different player early in the season, I wouldn't be surprised to see him benched and his time as a starter in the league over for good.
Is it possible Wink makes this secondary a better unit  
Ben in Tampa : 8/8/2022 5:01 pm : link
Than the 2021 version with Bradberry and Ryan?

Maybe it’s the 1st team offense flopping but it sounds like McKinney, Love, Holmes, Robinson, Jackson are having a great camp.
Taylor  
Toth029 : 8/8/2022 5:02 pm : link
Has stunk for years. I admire Schoen's stunk but mobility and accuracy is basically what he can do now. I don't see him as a real ideal threat in a Dsboll style offense. Deep crossers, posts, deep outs. He is a pure drink znd dunk guy. Missed many big plays last year. Watch his Talking Giants review film. I want the offense to do well but he ain't it.

"But Schoen should've drafted a kid in the 3rd!"

Like Malik Willis who may or may not pan out? History is against him, no less.

I want Schoen and Daboll to draft a kid who they want. Not who Reddit/Twitter and other social media feel who's the next big deal.
RE: Paging Jimmy G....paging Jimmy G to the white courtesy phone  
Jimmy Googs : 8/8/2022 5:05 pm : link
In comment 15775034 Jints in Carolina said:
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The white zone is for loading and unloading, and there is no stopping in the red zone...
RE: ...  
j_rud : 8/8/2022 5:08 pm : link
In comment 15775050 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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It just feels inevitable TT is going to be starting sometime this fall.


It's not exciting and it's not the future but I'm good with it for now. It really should just be an open competition.
I predicted Taylor would start game 1 this morning  
averagejoe : 8/8/2022 5:09 pm : link
and got flamed for it. Daboll owes it to the fans to start the guy that gives the Giants the best chance to win. That guy is not DJ. Taylor is a competent QB in a limited way. DJ has been awful for two years and looks like he is getting worse. Rather lose with TT .
RE: Just curious  
section125 : 8/8/2022 5:10 pm : link
In comment 15775043 jvm52106 said:
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but for all the folks posting in the camp thread earlier about nitpicking Jones's play, its just practice etc.. what is your answer now after reading Sy's report?


When Sy speaks, people need to listen. I will normally give a lot of rope, a lot, but it seems to me each time Sy reports, Jones is getting worse. Put Taylor with the 1st team and see what he does.

Toney with his head up his ass is one thing. Happens. We had seen VC drop balls like hot potatoes. But Jones unable to grasp the offense is different. If he is sabotaging the offense, he needs to sit.

If there was any chance of trading him, even for a bag of doughnuts, do it. I'm not sure Schoen is willing to cut him and eat $8 mill. But maybe he should.
I will root my ass off for Jones  
Everyone Relax : 8/8/2022 5:11 pm : link
until he is no longer a Giant, but not looking good right now.

If Giants end up somewhere around the 8-10 pick mark next year would you go all in to move up to grab Bryce Young (assuming someone is willing to trade) or Will Levis (who I feel is going to rocket up to top 5 this year)? Personally I would even knowing we need more bodies and talent. We NEED that franchise QB bad
Best QB on team should be the starter  
Rick in Dallas : 8/8/2022 5:12 pm : link
We have no allegiance to DJ going into his 4th year.
It may be the best thing for DJ is a brand new start elsewhere .
He must be really pressing at this point
...  
Jimmy Googs : 8/8/2022 5:18 pm : link

Can't pick and choose when you want to listen to Sy  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/8/2022 5:21 pm : link
When Jones is bad it's not simply 'the media' saying it.

We're in the Endgame with Daniel Jones. He'll get to start in the regular season because that's the scholarship high pick QBs get.

But it's almost over.
RE: What's surprising to me  
shyster : 8/8/2022 5:24 pm : link
In comment 15775068 Josh in the City said:
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is that Jones' arm seems to have gotten worse every year he's been in the league. As a rookie he seemed to have substantial zip on his passes. Last season I kept pointing out how the ball was fluttering and the zip was completely gone. He's had major issues throwing outside the hashes and these plays in camp seem to make the issue seem even worse. Unless he looks like a drastically different player early in the season, I wouldn't be surprised to see him benched and his time as a starter in the league over for good.


Jones' arm strength is what it is and has always been: OK but nothing all that special.

He threw 53/54 (right side/left side) mph at his combine, which put him middle of the pack. For comparison, Josh Allen had thrown 62/62 the year before to set the combine record.

I checked out Tyrod Taylor's combine from 2011. Tremendous athlete numbers, no question. But dead last in QB velocity at 50 mph.

If Taylor looks like a good athlete out there, it's because he is. His arm, however, is taking the Giants nowhere.
RE: Just curious  
Rudy5757 : 8/8/2022 5:28 pm : link
In comment 15775043 jvm52106 said:
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but for all the folks posting in the camp thread earlier about nitpicking Jones's play, its just practice etc.. what is your answer now after reading Sy's report?


So if the coach continues to start Jones with Taylor pretty much exclusively with the 2s what does that tell you? There are so many ways to spin it.

The Coach and the GM have no ties to DJ beyond this year. I would think if they really thought Taylor was the better option he would be at least splitting time with the 1s. Maybe he will get that chance.

We havent played any preseason games, not many people have even seen Jones operate in the new O and he is getting killed for practice. Tyrod Taylor is not a starter in this league, he is a quality backup. Maybe thats all that DJ is ever going to be, but it will all be solved soon. If Taylor is the starter its not a solution to the problem. Its just change for the sake of change. We would still need a new QB ASAP or we are stuck in QB hell.

And anyone thinking we can trade for Jimmy G is fooling themselves. We do not have the cap space or the means to make it happen. He'll be available next season if you want to go that route, I hope we dont.
I feel I've been criticized for being hard on Daniel  
90.Cal : 8/8/2022 5:31 pm : link
In the early portion of training camp. I feel like people are finally starting to wake up and smell the smoke. Thanks for the review Sy. Nicely done and I couldnt agree more with your assessment of today's practice.

Do you sit/watch with the media members?
I've been calling for seeing Tyrod more with the 1s  
90.Cal : 8/8/2022 5:32 pm : link
In order to confirm my belief that maybe he can help to elevate this offense more than DJ can.
RE: Just curious  
PatersonPlank : 8/8/2022 5:52 pm : link
In comment 15775043 jvm52106 said:
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but for all the folks posting in the camp thread earlier about nitpicking Jones's play, its just practice etc.. what is your answer now after reading Sy's report?


I am one and my stance remains the same. This is a practice in August, and all will be unfolded during real games. Daboll, who knows a lot more than anyone here about what Jones is supposed to be doing, will make the correct decision. I think jumping around after each practice critiquing his play, without knowing much more about what they are running, doesn't really matter. The games will be the test and if this is how he looks then Daboll will bench him.

I frankly am losing patience with Jones too, and if Tyrod can play even the same I'd start him and draft a QB in 2023. However to me practices are for trying things out and learning. I will make my judgements after games not practices.
RE: There is a positive way  
Sy'56 : 8/8/2022 5:53 pm : link
In comment 15775042 Eric from BBI said:
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to look at this.

We don't need any "gray areas" with the QB. If Jones can't hack it, it's better to make the decision soon and plan to address the position in 2023.

Remember, Taylor signed a 2-year deal.


Ding Ding Ding
RE: Remember Taylor is playing against the 2s  
Sy'56 : 8/8/2022 5:53 pm : link
In comment 15775051 BillT said:
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It’s not like they are alternating with the 1s and he’s looking better there. And I’m making no excuses for anyone. Just keeping it in perspective.


He is also playing with the 2's
I'm betting the other way  
JerseyCityJoe : 8/8/2022 5:55 pm : link
The kid's going to figure this thing out.
RE: RE: Remember Taylor is playing against the 2s  
BillT : 8/8/2022 5:57 pm : link
In comment 15775123 Sy'56 said:
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It’s not like they are alternating with the 1s and he’s looking better there. And I’m making no excuses for anyone. Just keeping it in perspective.



He is also playing with the 2's

On a squad that, on this board, is considered one on the thinnest in the league. Hardly apples to apples in either case.
RE: RE: Remember Taylor is playing against the 2s  
90.Cal : 8/8/2022 6:00 pm : link
In comment 15775123 Sy'56 said:
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It’s not like they are alternating with the 1s and he’s looking better there. And I’m making no excuses for anyone. Just keeping it in perspective.



He is also playing with the 2's


Exactly.

We NEED to see Tyrod with the 1s now in order to get the best evaluation of the position. It would almost be negligent to not give Tyrod 1st reps especially if Daniel continues to struggle/LOOK BAD
RE: RE: RE: Remember Taylor is playing against the 2s  
PatersonPlank : 8/8/2022 6:04 pm : link
In comment 15775132 90.Cal said:
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It’s not like they are alternating with the 1s and he’s looking better there. And I’m making no excuses for anyone. Just keeping it in perspective.



He is also playing with the 2's



Exactly.

We NEED to see Tyrod with the 1s now in order to get the best evaluation of the position. It would almost be negligent to not give Tyrod 1st reps especially if Daniel continues to struggle/LOOK BAD


I think "politically" they give Jones a preseason game or two. If it still looks this way then they start letting Tyrod run some with the #1s. Whenever they do though, it will be seen as a major change by whole team. There will be no going back, so when they do it I bet they would have already made the decision to switch. You can't "sort of" switch
RE: RE: RE: Remember Taylor is playing against the 2s  
BillT : 8/8/2022 6:06 pm : link
In comment 15775132 90.Cal said:
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It’s not like they are alternating with the 1s and he’s looking better there. And I’m making no excuses for anyone. Just keeping it in perspective.



He is also playing with the 2's



Exactly.

We NEED to see Tyrod with the 1s now in order to get the best evaluation of the position. It would almost be negligent to not give Tyrod 1st reps especially if Daniel continues to struggle/LOOK BAD

Just my 2 cents but I would doubt Schoen and Daboll are considering that. But what do I know.
Thx so very much Sy  
Earl the goat : 8/8/2022 6:06 pm : link
I said it on the last day of the draft and I’ll say it again
Yusuf Corker was a steal as an UDFA and he will make this team and will contribute immediately. I feel he’s better than Dane Belton
RE: RE: RE: RE: Remember Taylor is playing against the 2s  
90.Cal : 8/8/2022 6:08 pm : link
In comment 15775139 BillT said:
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It’s not like they are alternating with the 1s and he’s looking better there. And I’m making no excuses for anyone. Just keeping it in perspective.



He is also playing with the 2's



Exactly.

We NEED to see Tyrod with the 1s now in order to get the best evaluation of the position. It would almost be negligent to not give Tyrod 1st reps especially if Daniel continues to struggle/LOOK BAD


Just my 2 cents but I would doubt Schoen and Daboll are considering that. But what do I know.


Why would you doubt that Daboll/Schoen is even CONSIDERING getting a look at Tyrod with the 1st teasers in practice?? Please explain.
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90.Cal : 8/8/2022 6:09 pm : link
first teamers
What is the point to start Tyrod Taylor?  
Sean : 8/8/2022 6:11 pm : link
If he’s an upgrade at QB, he should be the starter. It’s easy for fans to focus on the draft and wanting to go 2-15 for the best draft pick, but Daboll isn’t thinking that. The last three head coaches here were all fired after two seasons. Daboll can’t afford to fuck around. I’d expect Taylor to be starting sooner rather than later.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Remember Taylor is playing against the 2s  
BillT : 8/8/2022 6:14 pm : link
In comment 15775141 90.Cal said:
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Why would you doubt that Daboll/Schoen is even CONSIDERING getting a look at Tyrod with the 1st teasers in practice?? Please explain.

I, of course, don’t really know but they are football professionals not posters on a football website. I think they know a lot more than we do and aren’t panicking which is what I see here.
RE: RE: Just curious  
Johnny5 : 8/8/2022 6:23 pm : link
In comment 15775120 PatersonPlank said:
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but for all the folks posting in the camp thread earlier about nitpicking Jones's play, its just practice etc.. what is your answer now after reading Sy's report?



I am one and my stance remains the same. This is a practice in August, and all will be unfolded during real games. Daboll, who knows a lot more than anyone here about what Jones is supposed to be doing, will make the correct decision. I think jumping around after each practice critiquing his play, without knowing much more about what they are running, doesn't really matter. The games will be the test and if this is how he looks then Daboll will bench him.

I frankly am losing patience with Jones too, and if Tyrod can play even the same I'd start him and draft a QB in 2023. However to me practices are for trying things out and learning. I will make my judgements after games not practices.

This is where I'm at. Everyone is nitpicking every single thing this camp which is understandable. Anyone who thought the offense was just going to somehow become fantastic within 2 weeks of camp in another new scheme with mostly the same players? Well I'm not sure why anyone is surprised. I choose to do what Sy suggested and have a beer... and let Schoen and Daboll figure it out.... "Nobody can put the nail in the coffin right now and anyone that does needs to sit down and relax with a beer."

Is it concerning? Sure. But it is what it is and it's still WAY early. We don't even know what exactly we are looking at on the field in a summer camp practice. I mean, they ran all play action? I'm just not ready to panic... yet.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Remember Taylor is playing against the 2s  
Producer : 8/8/2022 6:29 pm : link
In comment 15775138 PatersonPlank said:
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It’s not like they are alternating with the 1s and he’s looking better there. And I’m making no excuses for anyone. Just keeping it in perspective.



He is also playing with the 2's



Exactly.

We NEED to see Tyrod with the 1s now in order to get the best evaluation of the position. It would almost be negligent to not give Tyrod 1st reps especially if Daniel continues to struggle/LOOK BAD



I think "politically" they give Jones a preseason game or two. If it still looks this way then they start letting Tyrod run some with the #1s. Whenever they do though, it will be seen as a major change by whole team. There will be no going back, so when they do it I bet they would have already made the decision to switch. You can't "sort of" switch


I agree with this. Daboll may already know Jones ain't it, but he doesn't need to rush either. There's actually plenty of time to make the switch. I think he lets Jones go into preseason as the presumptive starter and if he screws the pooch, a transition will be easy to do. It's best if Mara is on board.
Bold prediction  
George : 8/8/2022 6:37 pm : link
Taylor will be our starting quarterback by October 16.
RE: Thx so very much Sy  
ColHowPepper : 8/8/2022 6:40 pm : link
In comment 15775140 Earl the goat said:
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I said it on the last day of the draft and I’ll say it again
Yusuf Corker was a steal as an UDFA and he will make this team and will contribute immediately. I feel he’s better than Dane Belton

Earl, thanks, a kingdom for an anything-but-Jones post.

I've thought the same, and Adams as an experienced fill-in could help. I wish the hell Rodarius Williams would get the hell back on the field and show some talent, and maybe we're not so thin in the secondary after all.
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