August 8, 2022
Ranking of Top 30
800+ word write-up on what promises to be one of the deepest positions in the 2023 Draft.
A couple of interesting notes:
(1) Even though he's only taken a few snaps, Anthony Richardson of Florida, "...(has) got... rare combination of size, athleticism and arm strength... may very well have the best arm strength in this year’s class."
(2) There has been a significant amount of college QB movement, some of which was caused by the chain reaction started by Caleb Williams who transferred from Oklahoma to USC, and who some NFL scouts feel may be the best college QB right now. Alas, he is not Draft eligible until 2024.
And while on the subject of QBs, a few quick thoughts about Daniel Jones because no one on BBI really has any opinion about the guy (:-)
BBI is roughly divided into two camps -- the first is that 2022 is Daniel Jones last audition for a second contract with the team; the second camp is that he just plain sucks. Full stop... bench him or dump him.
But why? There's no significant upgrade the Giants can now turn to, unless you believe that Tyrod Taylor can lead the Giants back to the playoffs in Year One under an entirely new regime with dozens of new players that have not even played one game together.
The Giants are a reclamation project, and there's a multi-year process the organization needs to go through to restore order and respectability. And part of that process will be the final evaluation of Daniel Jones. Many BBIers are convinced he will fail miserably. If they are right, then they are in luck with a 2023 Draft Class loaded with QB talent!
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I think that by April there will be 3 or 4 players that will be 1st round graded. The college season has a way of weeding out wannabes. The Giants are not really in position to move up to get whomever they want. I think there are 4 teams with two 1st round picks.
I won't hold my breath.
I have news for you folks... It's not happening unless you get a Tom Brady situation where a great prospect falls because everyone in the league missed on him.
I think that by April there will be 3 or 4 players that will be 1st round graded. The college season has a way of weeding out wannabes. The Giants are not really in position to move up to get whomever they want. I think there are 4 teams with two 1st round picks.
I won't hold my breath.
But, hey... maybe the Giants only win 4 or 5 games and are well positioned to snag a highly touted QB!
Detroit Lions.
Houston Texans.
Miami Dolphins.
Philadelphia Eagles.
Seattle Seahawks.
Using a middle of the road bridge QB (Taylor) ruins all of that. Take your lumps and move on. Our rookie GM and rookie coach can survive a bad season.
Using a middle of the road bridge QB (Taylor) ruins all of that. Take your lumps and move on. Our rookie GM and rookie coach can survive a bad season.
And all five of those teams are in need of a QB.
I have news for you folks... It's not happening unless you get a Tom Brady situation where a great prospect falls because everyone in the league missed on him.
There are 5 teams with two first rounders, and it's not a 100% guarantee they'll all select a QB in Round One.
The most likely are Detroit (Jared Goff) and Seattle (Geno Smith/Drew Lock).
The second most likely is Miami (Tua Tagovailoa).
The third most likely Houston (David Mills) and Philly (Jalen Hurts).
Using a middle of the road bridge QB (Taylor) ruins all of that. Take your lumps and move on. Our rookie GM and rookie coach can survive a bad season.
Well said... I'm with you 100%!
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There's really only handful of them that are REALLY blue chip prospects and some Giant fans are clamoring that we're going to get a QB next year with 8 teams who have 2 1st round picks...
I have news for you folks... It's not happening unless you get a Tom Brady situation where a great prospect falls because everyone in the league missed on him.
There are 5 teams with two first rounders, and it's not a 100% guarantee they'll all select a QB in Round One.
The most likely are Detroit (Jared Goff) and Seattle (Geno Smith/Drew Lock).
The second most likely is Miami (Tua Tagovailoa).
The third most likely Houston (David Mills) and Philly (Jalen Hurts).
Not for nothing, but every team you listed, will need a QB without the ranking system, except maybe Detroit - Goff is a decent QB.
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There's really only handful of them that are REALLY blue chip prospects and some Giant fans are clamoring that we're going to get a QB next year with 8 teams who have 2 1st round picks...
I have news for you folks... It's not happening unless you get a Tom Brady situation where a great prospect falls because everyone in the league missed on him.
There are 5 teams with two first rounders, and it's not a 100% guarantee they'll all select a QB in Round One.
The most likely are Detroit (Jared Goff) and Seattle (Geno Smith/Drew Lock).
The second most likely is Miami (Tua Tagovailoa).
The third most likely Houston (David Mills) and Philly (Jalen Hurts).
Not for nothing, but every team you listed, will need a QB without the ranking system, except maybe Detroit - Goff is a decent QB.
I agree... I take that back about Goff.
Detroit Lions.
Houston Texans.
Miami Dolphins.
Philadelphia Eagles.
Seattle Seahawks.
Miami is down to one after their fines for tampering with Tom Brady.
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But I just looked it up and it looks like there are 5 teams (as of June) that have 2 1st round picks. Has that number changed?
Detroit Lions.
Houston Texans.
Miami Dolphins.
Philadelphia Eagles.
Seattle Seahawks.
Miami is down to one after their fines for tampering with Tom Brady.
Ahhh... that's right. Good catch. Down to 4!
1 - Jones makes a massive leap and turns into a franchise QB. This is a best case scenario but has low odds of happening.
2 - We're bad enough to where we naturally have a high enough draft pick to pick a QB Dabes and Schoen like.
Unfortunately the mediocrity forces us into bad options that look like:
1 - Punt on taking a QB, let Tyrod start in 2023
2 - Sign / Trade for a Jimmy G level player that becomes available
3 - Gamble on a QB they aren't sure of in the draft
4 - Trade away all assets mid season to get enough ammo to move up, make massive trade. Its worth noting that when it comes time to make this trade, 2024 picks or players we think have a future here (Thomas, McKinney) may wind up being a part of it
Using a middle of the road bridge QB (Taylor) ruins all of that. Take your lumps and move on. Our rookie GM and rookie coach can survive a bad season.
I know many of us believe that, unless they're going to the playoffs, the Giants should suck hard to maximize their draft position, but I can guarantee you that Daboll and Schoen don't feel that way. Daboll wants to win games, and if Tyrod gives him the better chance to do that, Tyrod will play.
Jones will get his chance to show if he can be a legit NFL QB, but his scholarship is not guaranteed. John Mara is not going to stop any change at QB.
1 Houston C.J. Stroud QB
2 Detroit Bryce Young QB
3 Jacksonville Will Anderson
4 Atlanta Jalen Carter DT
5 Carolina Bryan Bresee DT
6 NY Jets Ryan Hayes OT
7 Chicago Jaxon Smith-Njigba WR
8 NY Giants Kelee Ringo CB
That being the case, and with only 2 QBs off the Board, there will be numerous intriguing QB prospects for the Giants to consider, including Will Levis, Tyler Van Dyke, Anthony Richardson, et. al.
1 - Jones makes a massive leap and turns into a franchise QB. This is a best case scenario but has low odds of happening.
2 - We're bad enough to where we naturally have a high enough draft pick to pick a QB Dabes and Schoen like.
Unfortunately the mediocrity forces us into bad options that look like:
1 - Punt on taking a QB, let Tyrod start in 2023
2 - Sign / Trade for a Jimmy G level player that becomes available
3 - Gamble on a QB they aren't sure of in the draft
4 - Trade away all assets mid season to get enough ammo to move up, make massive trade. Its worth noting that when it comes time to make this trade, 2024 picks or players we think have a future here (Thomas, McKinney) may wind up being a part of it
It almost sounds like you're saying that the best two outcomes for Daniel Jones are:
(1) Either he's fantastic and he leads the Giants to the playoffs one day;
(2) Or, he is really bad and the Giants bomb in 2022, giving us a very high 2023 Draft pick.
The Giants arent trading Thomas or McKinney. Why would anyone post that?
Detroit and Seattle need a QB
Gotta also hope that Van Dyke and someone else emerge as top 10 QBs with Stroud and Young. Dont see it with Richardson (athlete trying to be a QB) or Hooker (just not a pro QB). Wandale was Kentucky's offense, and they won with defense (Kentucky unders were a betting staple last season) so I dont see Levis, either
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The reality that mediocrity (a scenario where we pick 10-20 in the draft) is going to be a bad result this year. Either one of 2 situations need to happen:
1 - Jones makes a massive leap and turns into a franchise QB. This is a best case scenario but has low odds of happening.
2 - We're bad enough to where we naturally have a high enough draft pick to pick a QB Dabes and Schoen like.
Unfortunately the mediocrity forces us into bad options that look like:
1 - Punt on taking a QB, let Tyrod start in 2023
2 - Sign / Trade for a Jimmy G level player that becomes available
3 - Gamble on a QB they aren't sure of in the draft
4 - Trade away all assets mid season to get enough ammo to move up, make massive trade. Its worth noting that when it comes time to make this trade, 2024 picks or players we think have a future here (Thomas, McKinney) may wind up being a part of it
It almost sounds like you're saying that the best two outcomes for Daniel Jones are:
(1) Either he's fantastic and he leads the Giants to the playoffs one day;
(2) Or, he is really bad and the Giants bomb in 2022, giving us a very high 2023 Draft pick.
Yup…. And I think thats unfortunate, but its where we are.
Detroit Lions.
Houston Texans.
Miami Dolphins.
Philadelphia Eagles.
Seattle Seahawks.
Every one of them except Miami will be QB hunting. This will effect the NYG, who figure to be the same.
Will Rogers seems like your typical Mike Leach system QB.
Hendon Hooker again looks underrated being listed after those two. He actually had a great season last year in the SEC. He has another one of those (and there's no reason to think he won't under Heupel) and he's going to be in mix in the first round.
Very few people are suggesting the Giants dump Jones this year because there is no other option we can afford. Most expect him to not succeed this year based on what they have seen from him which many believe to be near his ceiling as a player.
If we can stop with the "well you are in love with Daniel Jones" and "why do you hate Daniel Jones so much?" idiocy we wouldn't have so many damn discussions of him.
With that said Stroud or Young will drop, and I expect a Richardson or Armstrong to over take one.
Very few people are suggesting the Giants dump Jones this year because there is no other option we can afford. Most expect him to not succeed this year based on what they have seen from him which many believe to be near his ceiling as a player.
If we can stop with the "well you are in love with Daniel Jones" and "why do you hate Daniel Jones so much?" idiocy we wouldn't have so many damn discussions of him.
This thread is primarily about the GBN report on 2023 QB Draft Prospects.
And as an aside, I happen to be in the camp that believes Daniel Jones should have this season to prove himself one way or another, and if he regrettably fails, well then 2023 QBs are gonna be the #1 topic on BBI for months on end.