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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/9/2022 7:56 am


Tuesday, August 9, 2022

Defensive Staff – Approx. 9:30 a.m. -9:45 a.m.

Offensive Staff – Approx. 9:45 a.m. – 10:00 a.m.

Practice – 10:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m.

Players Available – Approx. 12:10 p.m.

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RE: ...  
santacruzom : 8/9/2022 12:58 pm : link
In comment 15775620 Eric from BBI said:
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GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
#Giants - jones connex with toney down left sideline


Are we supposed to take a guy who spells connects "connex" seriously? I'm sorry, I just can't.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/9/2022 1:07 pm : link
Dan Duggan

@DDuggan21
No observations from today. The periods were structured so the offense or defense would succeed. So any play-by-play was meaningless because it wasn’t a competitive setting
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/9/2022 1:09 pm : link
Depth chart notes from today:

• Second-team OL: LT Hamilton, LG Douglas, C Bredeson, RG Garcia, RT McGhin (Ezeudu didn't do team drills)

• Third-team OL: LT Mbaeteka, LG Rivas, C McGhin, RG Smith, RT Holden

• DL Jayln Holmes replaced Leonard Williams, who didn't practice

• Second-team DBs: CB Heslop, CB Jacquet, CB Dorsey, S Corker, S Thompson

• Third-team DBs: CB Evans, CB Gilbert, CB Flott, S Adams, S Meadors

• CJ Board was the first KR, Richie James was the first PR
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Scooter185 : 8/9/2022 1:11 pm : link
In comment 15775756 santacruzom said:
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In comment 15775620 Eric from BBI said:


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GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
#Giants - jones connex with toney down left sideline



Are we supposed to take a guy who spells connects "connex" seriously? I'm sorry, I just can't.


Seems weird but x and ct are etymologically equivalent. Brits spell connection as connexion
I like how Thibs has had  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 8/9/2022 1:16 pm : link
positive mentions about his ability to drop off into coverage. Apparently he also had a nice knock down of a ball at the LoS today. Cox calling him "well-rounded" and versatile.

I obviously love the positive stuff about his pass rush, but the fact that he seems to be doing well in multiple facets of the game just makes me optimistic about him. Wink is a guy who will ask him to drop off a decent amount given how exotic some of his looks can get, Thibs being atleast adequate in coverage will be a very important aspect in how well his rookie year goes imo. Sounds good so far.
Jeez, now Conner Hughes is tweeting about the Jets  
PatersonPlank : 8/9/2022 1:30 pm : link
media lunches.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/9/2022 1:38 pm : link
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
🏈🏈🏈🏈#Giants Practice 11: Off players - Taylor razor sharp all day & Board. Play-Kemp toes down on lunging 50/50 td pass from webb left side of endzone. Def players - ARobinson and AJackson (both sticky all day). Play-Love INT off Barkley's fingertips
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The_Boss : 8/9/2022 1:41 pm : link
In comment 15775766 Eric from BBI said:
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Depth chart notes from today:

• Second-team OL: LT Hamilton, LG Douglas, C Bredeson, RG Garcia, RT McGhin (Ezeudu didn't do team drills)

• Third-team OL: LT Mbaeteka, LG Rivas, C McGhin, RG Smith, RT Holden

• DL Jayln Holmes replaced Leonard Williams, who didn't practice

• Second-team DBs: CB Heslop, CB Jacquet, CB Dorsey, S Corker, S Thompson

• Third-team DBs: CB Evans, CB Gilbert, CB Flott, S Adams, S Meadors

• CJ Board was the first KR, Richie James was the first PR


So, as usual in preseason, once the OL1 group is pulled, the game essentially becomes unwatchable.
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Dr. D : 8/9/2022 1:46 pm : link
In comment 15775614 Eric from BBI said:
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GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
#Giants - jones pinpoint dart connex with toney who stabs ball despite blanket from jackson over the middle

maybe I need some afternoon coffee, but it took me a couple sec to figure out "connex" (was reading conn like short for Connecticut). Haven't seen that b4. I get he wants to save 2 characters, but then he uses a totally unnecessary "the" between over and middle! Could've save 3 characters!
RE: ...  
PatersonPlank : 8/9/2022 1:46 pm : link
In comment 15775766 Eric from BBI said:
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Depth chart notes from today:

• Second-team OL: LT Hamilton, LG Douglas, C Bredeson, RG Garcia, RT McGhin (Ezeudu didn't do team drills)

• Third-team OL: LT Mbaeteka, LG Rivas, C McGhin, RG Smith, RT Holden

• DL Jayln Holmes replaced Leonard Williams, who didn't practice

• Second-team DBs: CB Heslop, CB Jacquet, CB Dorsey, S Corker, S Thompson

• Third-team DBs: CB Evans, CB Gilbert, CB Flott, S Adams, S Meadors

• CJ Board was the first KR, Richie James was the first PR


Not a good sign if Flott is truly third team.
Man we have weak back ups.
Was easy  
Thegratefulhead : 8/9/2022 1:49 pm : link
I said the moment they signed Taylor, it would be obvious in camp who the better QB is. This was an EXTREMELY easy prediction when you compare the college and professional resumes.

EASY.

Jones was holding everyone else back. Not the other way around.
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Brown_Hornet : 8/9/2022 1:49 pm : link
In comment 15775798 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 15775766 Eric from BBI said:


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Depth chart notes from today:

• Second-team OL: LT Hamilton, LG Douglas, C Bredeson, RG Garcia, RT McGhin (Ezeudu didn't do team drills)

• Third-team OL: LT Mbaeteka, LG Rivas, C McGhin, RG Smith, RT Holden

• DL Jayln Holmes replaced Leonard Williams, who didn't practice

• Second-team DBs: CB Heslop, CB Jacquet, CB Dorsey, S Corker, S Thompson

• Third-team DBs: CB Evans, CB Gilbert, CB Flott, S Adams, S Meadors

• CJ Board was the first KR, Richie James was the first PR



Not a good sign if Flott is truly third team.
Man we have weak back ups.
Or...we have good ones?!
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M.S. : 8/9/2022 1:55 pm : link
In comment 15775729 90.Cal said:
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Art Stapleton

@art_stapleton
Giants ran a "cards" practice, as noted earlier, so the drills were not live. Predetermined outcomes for the offense and then the defense.

So any INTs or TDs - pretty much by design or dictated today.



Don't let that be known. It upsets narratives.



End of the day, who cares the outcome of the play re: is it a INT or TD... because yeah it's only practice.

BUT

Is Daniel Jones Jones accurate with his ball placement?

Does Daniel Jones read the defense and react quickly and decisively or does he hold the ball too long?

Does he have enough ZIP on his passes to squeeze into those tight windows?

And have you been to camp to see him throw for yourself or are your opinions of Daniel Jones in camp based off of someone else's tweets and opinion? Just curious?

Here are my answers to your questions:

Is Daniel Jones Jones accurate with his ball placement? Overall, yes, maybe not top tier NFL ball placement, but certainly good enough to play competitively in the NFL.

Does Daniel Jones read the defense and react quickly and decisively or does he hold the ball too long?
His reaction time has never been that good, and there have been stretches of indecisiveness and he does at times hold the ball too long.

Does he have enough ZIP on his passes to squeeze into those tight windows? Yes he does.

And here is a question realted to your second one:

Can Daniel Jones "feel" pressure in the pocket and thus slip and slide until he finds a soft area to stand in, and all the while keeping his eyes down the field and reading which one of his WRs may break open?
I'm afraid that -- if Daniel Jones is never a starter again after this season -- it will be because the answer is, "NO!"
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Bill in UT : 8/9/2022 2:02 pm : link
In comment 15775798 PatersonPlank said:
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Not a good sign if Flott is truly third team.

yeah, I think he slipped down from 2nd team
RE: Was easy  
GNewGiants : 8/9/2022 2:09 pm : link
In comment 15775804 Thegratefulhead said:
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I said the moment they signed Taylor, it would be obvious in camp who the better QB is. This was an EXTREMELY easy prediction when you compare the college and professional resumes.

EASY.

Jones was holding everyone else back. Not the other way around.


Maybe he was. But you do know the 4/5th of our starting OL are either out of the league or backups now right?
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mattlawson : 8/9/2022 2:13 pm : link
In comment 15775756 santacruzom said:
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In comment 15775620 Eric from BBI said:


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GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
#Giants - jones connex with toney down left sideline



Are we supposed to take a guy who spells connects "connex" seriously? I'm sorry, I just can't.


Old man yells at cloud gif
RE: RE: RE: ...  
Bill in UT : 8/9/2022 2:20 pm : link
In comment 15775818 Bill in UT said:
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Not a good sign if Flott is truly third team.



yeah, I think he slipped down from 2nd team


Flott was listed as 2nd team nickle in yesterday's unofficial depth chart
Yup Taylor is incredible  
Giants73 : 8/9/2022 2:29 pm : link
Completing passes over Heslop and Jacquet in a db drill.
RE: RE: Was easy  
mittenedman : 8/9/2022 2:38 pm : link
In comment 15775826 GNewGiants said:
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In comment 15775804 Thegratefulhead said:


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I said the moment they signed Taylor, it would be obvious in camp who the better QB is. This was an EXTREMELY easy prediction when you compare the college and professional resumes.

EASY.

Jones was holding everyone else back. Not the other way around.



Maybe he was. But you do know the 4/5th of our starting OL are either out of the league or backups now right?


We gave the guy Tate, Slayton & Engram as #1 targets. A bad OL. An ineffective Barkley. Judge & Garrett telling him what to do. And the worst injury situation in the league. What else would he need?

That bastard Jones made all of em look bad….Yeah, thats it…
Sure seems like maybe skipping all of preseason like Judge did  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/9/2022 2:43 pm : link
was probably not the best thing from an evaluation POV.
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Toth029 : 8/9/2022 2:55 pm : link
In comment 15775737 bw in dc said:
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"@TomRock_Newsday
FYI if you are following Daniel Jones’ interceptions today: When the offense is working off cards Daboll has the QB throw to a specific receiver no matter what so no decision-making. If the guy is covered the ball goes there anyway.'

That's why it's called practice. Not training camp stat sheet watch.

Barkley tipping a ball to be picked. Must be the new Engram.



In other words, since Jones doesn't appear to be succeeding when throwing into tight areas (aka throwing receivers open), just look the other way...right?

If Jones was completing these passes, would you feel the same? It's just practice, who cares if Jones is putting the ball into tight spaces...?


The point is Daboll has a plan and is acting accordingly. Not fishing for completion percentage or 3 second highlight clips on Twitter.

Those reps are for both Jones/receiver as well as testing the corner. It isn't an isolated rep for one guy. I believe the WR coach, Groh, highlighted option routes and getting on the same page as your quarterback.
RE: RE: RE: ....  
bw in dc : 8/9/2022 2:56 pm : link
In comment 15775744 section125 said:
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In comment 15775737 bw in dc said:



In other words, since Jones doesn't appear to be succeeding when throwing into tight areas (aka throwing receivers open), just look the other way...right?

If Jones was completing these passes, would you feel the same? It's just practice, who cares if Jones is putting the ball into tight spaces...?



Really reaching for the digs today, eh? Jones is doing enough by himself to get benched. He doesn't need your help or POV on a day when you were told that everyone knows the play.


Just because you know the play doesn't mean you can execute to stop it.

The NFL many times comes down to one-on-one matchups and who can make the play. Seems we are in a stretch right now where Jones can't make the play. And that most of his errors are on single cover matchups.

Phil Simms once said of the '86 team that they got so good that if he went to the LOS to tell the defense the play the defense still wouldn't be able to stop it. Perhaps not quite an apple to apple, but you get the point...
RE: RE: RE: RE: ....  
Giants73 : 8/9/2022 3:02 pm : link
In comment 15775863 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15775737 bw in dc said:



In other words, since Jones doesn't appear to be succeeding when throwing into tight areas (aka throwing receivers open), just look the other way...right?

If Jones was completing these passes, would you feel the same? It's just practice, who cares if Jones is putting the ball into tight spaces...?



Really reaching for the digs today, eh? Jones is doing enough by himself to get benched. He doesn't need your help or POV on a day when you were told that everyone knows the play.



Just because you know the play doesn't mean you can execute to stop it.

The NFL many times comes down to one-on-one matchups and who can make the play. Seems we are in a stretch right now where Jones can't make the play. And that most of his errors are on single cover matchups.

Phil Simms once said of the '86 team that they got so good that if he went to the LOS to tell the defense the play the defense still wouldn't be able to stop it. Perhaps not quite an apple to apple, but you get the point...


Yet he still managed to throw 22 picks that year with only 21 TDS.
bw in dc  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/9/2022 3:04 pm : link
It would be easier for people to take you more seriously if the only thing you didn't post about was attacking the starting QB.

It gets old.

We get, you don't like him. We all know he's an issue. But you seem obsessed with him.
RE: bw in dc  
ajr2456 : 8/9/2022 3:32 pm : link
In comment 15775872 Eric from BBI said:
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It would be easier for people to take you more seriously if the only thing you didn't post about was attacking the starting QB.

It gets old.

We get, you don't like him. We all know he's an issue. But you seem obsessed with him.


Until Jones is either playing like a top end QB or is no longer playing QB criticism of him won’t get old.

He’s playing the most important position on the team. It’s going to be really brutal if Wink has this defense playing like a top 10 defense in the league and Jones holds them back from being a playoff team.
ajr2456  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/9/2022 3:40 pm : link
You're missing the point.

bw in dc is a smart guy, but they only thing he posts about is Daniel Jones. Non stop.

When you post exclusively about one thing, people tune you out.
RE: bw in dc  
bw in dc : 8/9/2022 3:44 pm : link
In comment 15775872 Eric from BBI said:
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It would be easier for people to take you more seriously if the only thing you didn't post about was attacking the starting QB.

It gets old.

We get, you don't like him. We all know he's an issue. But you seem obsessed with him.


I guess it was the other "bw in dc" who posted today in the Durant thread and the 2023 college QB prospects thread.

I have a pretty long history here chiming in about almost every football topic. So, I'll stand by that.

Being interested in the performance of the most important position in the sport seems very interesting to me.

Nevertheless, I appreciate the criticism. ;)

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sb from NYT Forum : 8/9/2022 3:46 pm : link
In comment 15775798 PatersonPlank said:
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Depth chart notes from today:

• Second-team OL: LT Hamilton, LG Douglas, C Bredeson, RG Garcia, RT McGhin (Ezeudu didn't do team drills)

• Third-team OL: LT Mbaeteka, LG Rivas, C McGhin, RG Smith, RT Holden

• DL Jayln Holmes replaced Leonard Williams, who didn't practice

• Second-team DBs: CB Heslop, CB Jacquet, CB Dorsey, S Corker, S Thompson

• Third-team DBs: CB Evans, CB Gilbert, CB Flott, S Adams, S Meadors

• CJ Board was the first KR, Richie James was the first PR



Not a good sign if Flott is truly third team.
Man we have weak back ups.


I tend to agree. You'd hope that a mid-3rd Rounder would do better than those guys ahead of him. But on the depth chart posted on Giants.com he's the backup slot CB behind Holmes, so that's good.

It's early, he's a rookie and CB is a cerebral position, so with some experience I'd think he'd move up the chain.
RE: RE: RE: RE: ....  
section125 : 8/9/2022 3:46 pm : link
In comment 15775863 bw in dc said:
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In other words, since Jones doesn't appear to be succeeding when throwing into tight areas (aka throwing receivers open), just look the other way...right?

If Jones was completing these passes, would you feel the same? It's just practice, who cares if Jones is putting the ball into tight spaces...?



Really reaching for the digs today, eh? Jones is doing enough by himself to get benched. He doesn't need your help or POV on a day when you were told that everyone knows the play.



Just because you know the play doesn't mean you can execute to stop it.

The NFL many times comes down to one-on-one matchups and who can make the play. Seems we are in a stretch right now where Jones can't make the play. And that most of his errors are on single cover matchups.

Phil Simms once said of the '86 team that they got so good that if he went to the LOS to tell the defense the play the defense still wouldn't be able to stop it. Perhaps not
quite an apple to apple, but you get the point...


Again, who gives a shit about today. You waste your time beating a dead horse. Even this answer is BS. Completing a pass in a walk thru in August is not going to be the difference in week 13.
As far as Simms - he was talking about a game, not a walk thru.

In fact, I am wasting my time.even responding.
bw in dc  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/9/2022 3:47 pm : link
I apologize if I'm missing your other posts, but all I see you post all of the time now is "Daniel Jones sucks."

I miss your commentary on other matters.
RE: ajr2456  
ajr2456 : 8/9/2022 3:48 pm : link
In comment 15775896 Eric from BBI said:
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You're missing the point.

bw in dc is a smart guy, but they only thing he posts about is Daniel Jones. Non stop.

When you post exclusively about one thing, people tune you out.


The most important position on the team deserves to be talked about every day, though.

It’s only annoying to some because the guy stinks.
RE: bw in dc  
bw in dc : 8/9/2022 3:55 pm : link
In comment 15775911 Eric from BBI said:
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I apologize if I'm missing your other posts, but all I see you post all of the time now is "Daniel Jones sucks."

I miss your commentary on other matters.


I have never, ever said Daniel Jones sucks. Never. I have always tried to criticize using metrics and some common sense via the eye-test.
ajr2456  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/9/2022 3:58 pm : link
If everyone on this site posted every day that Daniel Jones sucks, then this would be a very boring site.

Again, you are missing the point.
RE: RE: bw in dc  
Jimmy Googs : 8/9/2022 3:58 pm : link
In comment 15775925 bw in dc said:
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I apologize if I'm missing your other posts, but all I see you post all of the time now is "Daniel Jones sucks."

I miss your commentary on other matters.



I have never, ever said Daniel Jones sucks. Never. I have always tried to criticize using metrics and some common sense via the eye-test.


Just post more about Centers or Chris Mara, and he'll get off your back...
bw smart guy?  
Lines of Scrimmage : 8/9/2022 4:02 pm : link
Interesting. He has little understanding of the position if you read closely enough.

When people pick apart his stat centric posts you have not seen the pattern?

Abandon and seek the next Jones post and try again.

The last draft I think he was one of a few of the QB gurus clamoring for Willis/Corral at pick 5. Giants messed up and took Thibs.


RE: RE: RE: bw in dc  
bw in dc : 8/9/2022 4:05 pm : link
In comment 15775928 Jimmy Googs said:
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Just post more about Centers or Chris Mara, and he'll get off your back...


I look forward to the day when you have an epiphany and realize just how destructive Chris Mara has been to this organization... ;)
When people were asking for Carroll  
ajr2456 : 8/9/2022 4:06 pm : link
At 5, it was unlikely Thibs would be there at 5. It’s disingenuous to hold that against people.
RE: RE: RE: RE: bw in dc  
Jimmy Googs : 8/9/2022 4:09 pm : link
In comment 15775936 bw in dc said:
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Just post more about Centers or Chris Mara, and he'll get off your back...



I look forward to the day when you have an epiphany and realize just how destructive Chris Mara has been to this organization... ;)


Ha...and I of course welcome being shown that path of destruction that he marched everybody down.
RE: bw smart guy?  
bw in dc : 8/9/2022 4:15 pm : link
In comment 15775932 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Interesting. He has little understanding of the position if you read closely enough.

When people pick apart his stat centric posts you have not seen the pattern?

Abandon and seek the next Jones post and try again.

The last draft I think he was one of a few of the QB gurus clamoring for Willis/Corral at pick 5. Giants messed up and took Thibs.



Uh, I never said take Corral at #5. Nice try.

On Willis, I said it would be a bold move that I would endorse but couldn't see Schoen doing it because it seemed like it 2022 was going to be another audition for Jones to prove himself.

Let me apologize for using stats to try to prove a point. I know in your world football is the ultimate team sport and the QB is just another piece in the puzzle. No more important than the C or LG.
RE: When people were asking for Carroll  
GNewGiants : 8/9/2022 4:55 pm : link
In comment 15775937 ajr2456 said:
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At 5, it was unlikely Thibs would be there at 5. It’s disingenuous to hold that against people.


This is false. Thibs stock was dropping by the “experts” and only a few of us wanted Thibs 5th.

The people who wanted Corral or Wilis wanted him at number 5 no matter what. Thibs was only wanted by a few people at #5. In fact I bet there were more people who wanted no part of him cause of his numbers, Utah games, and his “brand.”
RE: RE: bw smart guy?  
GNewGiants : 8/9/2022 4:56 pm : link
In comment 15775971 bw in dc said:
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Interesting. He has little understanding of the position if you read closely enough.

When people pick apart his stat centric posts you have not seen the pattern?

Abandon and seek the next Jones post and try again.

The last draft I think he was one of a few of the QB gurus clamoring for Willis/Corral at pick 5. Giants messed up and took Thibs.





Uh, I never said take Corral at #5. Nice try.

On Willis, I said it would be a bold move that I would endorse but couldn't see Schoen doing it because it seemed like it 2022 was going to be another audition for Jones to prove himself.

Let me apologize for using stats to try to prove a point. I know in your world football is the ultimate team sport and the QB is just another piece in the puzzle. No more important than the C or LG.
m

You were a fan of taking a QB at 5. No need to backtrack.
RE: RE: RE: RE: ....  
ColHowPepper : 8/9/2022 5:17 pm : link
In comment 15775863 bw in dc said:
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The NFL many times comes down to one-on-one matchups and who can make the play. Seems we are in a stretch right now where Jones can't make the play. And that most of his errors are on single cover matchups.

Phil Simms once said of the '86 team that they got so good that if he went to the LOS to tell the defense the play the defense still wouldn't be able to stop it. Perhaps not quite an apple to apple, but you get the point...

Comparing the Simms '86 SB winning team and OL (let's not forget Zeke) to the past three years and this camp, this Card practice: bw, however it ends up for Jones, you're soiling yourself, it's all too revealing and embarrassing.
RE: RE: RE: bw smart guy?  
bw in dc : 8/9/2022 5:28 pm : link
In comment 15776018 GNewGiants said:
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You were a fan of taking a QB at 5. No need to backtrack.


No, I was a fan of taking a QB at either 5 or 7.

There is no backtracking.
RE: RE: When people were asking for Carroll  
ajr2456 : 8/9/2022 5:30 pm : link
In comment 15776016 GNewGiants said:
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At 5, it was unlikely Thibs would be there at 5. It’s disingenuous to hold that against people.



This is false. Thibs stock was dropping by the “experts” and only a few of us wanted Thibs 5th.

The people who wanted Corral or Wilis wanted him at number 5 no matter what. Thibs was only wanted by a few people at #5. In fact I bet there were more people who wanted no part of him cause of his numbers, Utah games, and his “brand.”


In the days leading up to the draft the number of mocks that had Thibs in the top 4 vs available at 5 was 50-50. And throughout a majority of the draft process Thibs wasn’t going to be available at 5
RE: RE: RE: When people were asking for Carroll  
GNewGiants : 8/9/2022 5:38 pm : link
In comment 15776049 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 15775937 ajr2456 said:


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At 5, it was unlikely Thibs would be there at 5. It’s disingenuous to hold that against people.



This is false. Thibs stock was dropping by the “experts” and only a few of us wanted Thibs 5th.

The people who wanted Corral or Wilis wanted him at number 5 no matter what. Thibs was only wanted by a few people at #5. In fact I bet there were more people who wanted no part of him cause of his numbers, Utah games, and his “brand.”



In the days leading up to the draft the number of mocks that had Thibs in the top 4 vs available at 5 was 50-50. And throughout a majority of the draft process Thibs wasn’t going to be available at 5


Daniel Jeremiah had him going 10 the day before the draft
Walter football had him 8th in his final draft
Danny Kelly from the ringer had him going 7
Ryan Wilson from CBS had him 14
Kiper had him 12th
McShay had him 8th
Bucky brooks had him 9th

Now there were some like you said had him top 5. But the majority did not.
But again you’re focusing just on the days leading up to the draft  
ajr2456 : 8/9/2022 5:42 pm : link
Up until April it wasn’t realistic to think we could have had a shot at Thibs
RE: But again you’re focusing just on the days leading up to the draft  
GNewGiants : 8/9/2022 5:52 pm : link
In comment 15776063 ajr2456 said:
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Up until April it wasn’t realistic to think we could have had a shot at Thibs


Well if you’re taking about January and parts of February - sure you’re right. But it was clear after the combine and the reports of his “brand” became known - it was widely accepted he was slipping.

And I could say the same thing about Neal where he was projected a top 3 for most of the time until he slips. But there’s no doubt that Thibs was slipping to the point where the majority didn’t see him as a top 5 pick come draft time.
We saved both Thibs and Neal  
Jimmy Googs : 8/9/2022 5:57 pm : link
who were both in a free-fall...


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Gatorade Dunk : 8/9/2022 7:00 pm : link
In comment 15775614 Eric from BBI said:
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#Giants - jones pinpoint dart connex with toney who stabs ball despite blanket from jackson over the middle

Connex?

Here I was thinking Pdot couldn't get any more insufferable, and then... "connex"
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Brown_Hornet : 8/9/2022 9:36 pm : link
In comment 15775863 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15775737 bw in dc said:



In other words, since Jones doesn't appear to be succeeding when throwing into tight areas (aka throwing receivers open), just look the other way...right?

If Jones was completing these passes, would you feel the same? It's just practice, who cares if Jones is putting the ball into tight spaces...?



Really reaching for the digs today, eh? Jones is doing enough by himself to get benched. He doesn't need your help or POV on a day when you were told that everyone knows the play.



Just because you know the play doesn't mean you can execute to stop it.

The NFL many times comes down to one-on-one matchups and who can make the play. Seems we are in a stretch right now where Jones can't make the play. And that most of his errors are on single cover matchups.

Phil Simms once said of the '86 team that they got so good that if he went to the LOS to tell the defense the play the defense still wouldn't be able to stop it. Perhaps not quite an apple to apple, but you get the point...
actually if an NFL DB knows the route he is not going to get beat.
That's not the same thing it's calling it off tackle play and letting the defense know it's coming.
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