at QB are changing if Tyrod Taylor starts getting some work with the #1 unit. Jones's camp has been a major up and down theme, he has still done the majority of the #1 snaps.
The more we hear about Kenny Golladay the more it doesn't sound positive. We clearly played the outbid ourselves game last year in the belief we were a play maker away from turning things around.
Thibodeaux seems to be the real deal, it will be nice to see him in an actual game.
If Brightwell can take the third back spot, that is a cheaper alternative and he plays ST's well.
Collin Johnson would be a really nice addition if he makes the team. His size would certainly come in use inside the 20.
at QB are changing if Tyrod Taylor starts getting some work with the #1 unit. Jones's camp has been a major up and down theme, he has still done the majority of the #1 snaps.
The more we hear about Kenny Golladay the more it doesn't sound positive. We clearly played the outbid ourselves game last year in the belief we were a play maker away from turning things around.
Thibodeaux seems to be the real deal, it will be nice to see him in an actual game.
If Brightwell can take the third back spot, that is a cheaper alternative and he plays ST's well.
Collin Johnson would be a really nice addition if he makes the team. His size would certainly come in use inside the 20.
This would be a surprise at this stage. It's a new offense and the defense is very aggressive.
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Heard Schoen say on WFAN yesterday that he’s hopeful Sterling Shepard will be ready for the start of the season. His dependability as a target will be welcomed.
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants Daboll - will use some "cards" today at practice ...in other words, some scout team work to simulate opponents...shells only
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants Daboll - tempers were up yesterday....told guys those things happen but this team wont do it....everyone knows expectations
Pat Leonard
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Giants coach Brian Daboll said he spoke to both the players and coaches about yesterday’s fight. “That’s not what we’re looking to do.” Says there will be no discipline for parties involved. #Giants
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants Daboll - a thud practice meana the defense player is going to contact the offensive player...it ia physical and competitive...just dont take it over the top
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#Giants Daboll - ezudu questionable to play thurs...starters will play less than a half..some will come out eben earlier
..gave taylor 1 rep with 1s on monday to talk to jones AND to simulate emergency situation for taylor
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants Bryan Cox - asst coach patterson been a great mentor
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#Giants Bryan Cox - says he has matured and mellowed ... can run hot as a coach if he has to but knows he must have patience and understamding
Dan Salomone
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Daboll doesn’t have an exact rep count for the preseason opener, but starters won’t play an entire half. It will be decided on an individual basis and they’ll see how the first series goes.
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants Bryan Cox - has great relationship with thibodeaux....cant control what other teams though about his desire...he has very good attitude, smart, jokster, guys take to him
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#Giants Bryan Cox - this is 5th time he has worked on staff with daboll...that relationship was key in coming - daboll KNOWS who he is
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants Bryan Cox - thibodeaux is showing great promise...versatile player...and well rounded guy...his play will speak for itself
Dan Salomone
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Bryan Cox said Kayvon is showing great promise. “He’s versatile and can do a lot of different things. … I think his play is going to speak for itself.”
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants Johnson - the OTs set a different way...teaching neal a new way...he is doing well and pushing himself..working thru it and sees the positives
Dan Salomone
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Bobby Johnson said the scrimmage in the stadium was probably Evan Neal’s best practice. He’s making tremendous strides each day.
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#Giants Johnson - "pass pro is not passive. it has to be aggressive"
Pat Leonard
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Giants offensive line coach Bobby Johnson takes “full responsibility” for shoving Cam Brown yesterday during the fight and said he’s apologized to Cam and “it can’t happen again.” It’s clear that is the message Brian Daboll gave him. #Giants
Dan Salomone
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Bobby Johnson on Evan Neal in the run game: “He’s the size of a bus. If you’re in the way of it, you’re probably going to get moved.”
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#Giants Johnson - thomas very smart and always asking questions that also help neal....impressed on the field and in class with him
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Evan Neal has switched to his number: 73 #Giants
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#Giants WR coach Groh - this system with option routes is not totally new...been done before...sytem worked in buffalo and other places...it is about giving guys tools to separate vs coverage
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#Giants Groh - WR system is about read and react to on the run based on the leverage of the defender....
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants Groh - WR competition is for 1 to 8 spots right now..nothing is set in stone, no matter how many are kept on 53
Dan Salomone
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WR Coach Mike Groh said Wan’Dale Robinson is “competitively mature” for a rookie.
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Injured players unlikely to play: RB Matt Breida, WR David Sills, TE Ricky Seals-Jones, LB Carter Coughlin and CB Rodarius Williams. OL Josh Ezeudu is questionable.
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Today is simulating a Friday regular season practice so will be light on observations. Defense will be serving as the scout team for the offense and vice versa in different periods.
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Leonard Williams isn’t practicing today. I’m told he’s here and inside getting treatment. Been grinding all training camp and it’s a cards practice. #Giants
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C Jon Feliciano and LB Tae Crowder just stood together and waved to the crowd. Much friendlier than their exchange yesterday.
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#Giants 11 on 11 - Thibodeaux with a batted pass at the line..then Barkley shows burst on a run up the middle - so does AWilliams om next carry
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#Giants - taylor lofts a perfect throw to james for 20
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#Giants- ARobinson closes and breaks up jones pass to left side for golladay...next snap barkley tips an accurate jones throw over the midde - INT by love
Bobby Skinner
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Replying to @BobbySkinner_
Andrew Adams has worked as 3rd safety with 1st team but also with the 3rd stringers today
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#Giants - ARobinson reaches in and forces INC on perfect jones tightrope to johnson over the middle
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FYI if you are following Daniel Jones’ interceptions today: When the offense is working off cards Daboll has the QB throw to a specific receiver no matter what so no decision-making. If the guy is covered the ball goes there anyway.
"@TomRock_Newsday
FYI if you are following Daniel Jones’ interceptions today: When the offense is working off cards Daboll has the QB throw to a specific receiver no matter what so no decision-making. If the guy is covered the ball goes there anyway.'
That's why it's called practice. Not training camp stat sheet watch.
Barkley tipping a ball to be picked. Must be the new Engram.
Kyle Lauletta pointing out the WR ran the wrong route.
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Hold on now… The backside dig is designed to win vs. Cov 2. Idk the WRs rules but he totally stopped running and the slot guy should have sat down to help occupy the hook defender. Football is a TEAM sport for a reason. People love to slander yet know nothing about football 🙄
RE: Kyle Lauletta pointing out the WR ran the wrong route.
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Hold on now… The backside dig is designed to win vs. Cov 2. Idk the WRs rules but he totally stopped running and the slot guy should have sat down to help occupy the hook defender. Football is a TEAM sport for a reason. People love to slander yet know nothing about football 🙄
Lauletta is talking about a play that happened last summer that somebody posted on twitter without mentioning the date.
Didn't even happen in this camp, let alone today, for anyone wondering.
"@TomRock_Newsday
FYI if you are following Daniel Jones’ interceptions today: When the offense is working off cards Daboll has the QB throw to a specific receiver no matter what so no decision-making. If the guy is covered the ball goes there anyway.'
That's why it's called practice. Not training camp stat sheet watch.
Barkley tipping a ball to be picked. Must be the new Engram.
Ha, was thinking the same thing....tough job and someone had to do it.
Bobby Skinner
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Seems like the Giants are using a fade/go on the outside as their hot route. I like that.
Justin Penik
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First time really observing how active Jerome Henderson is with the DB’s on the side not in team drills. Fun to see. Henderson acts like he’s a WR about to catch the ball and Holmes/Adoreé are sticking their hands in to break up an invisible pass.
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants - ARobinson blanket breakup of Jones 50/50 to golladay in left corner..
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#Giants - meadors and evans break up a webb 50/50 ball in left corner of endzone
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#Giants -taylor rifles two straight short td passes to board and slayton
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Another light day for Kadarius Toney. He was shut down early in practice. Trainers were working on his right knee/leg.
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#Giants- ARobinson INT of jones left corner throw to golladay...then love breakup on throw over middle to bellinger....then taylor a dart for a td to board
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The Giants ran a light practice. WR Kadarius Toney didn’t finish. Trainer appeared to be working on his right leg at one point during the practice. #giants
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#Giants - webb perfect rainbow toss for td right corner to doss behind gilbert...then webb td on left dart to kemp
Dan Duggan
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Another light day for Kadarius Toney. He was shut down early in practice. Trainers were working on his right knee/leg.
I don't see any way this guy stays healthy this season. We'll be lucky if he plays 10 games.
You can say that about just about any player in the NFL. Guy had knee surgery a couple months ago. They have a tendency to get swollen when pushed. He's been pretty active for over two weeks. Just may very well need a rest to let the healing catch up.
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Hold on now… The backside dig is designed to win vs. Cov 2. Idk the WRs rules but he totally stopped running and the slot guy should have sat down to help occupy the hook defender. Football is a TEAM sport for a reason. People love to slander yet know nothing about football 🙄
Lauletta is talking about a play that happened last summer that somebody posted on twitter without mentioning the date.
Didn't even happen in this camp, let alone today, for anyone wondering.
I would just like to point out that Lualetta defended Jones in his tweet, there's no way that he could know that video was from last year, yet Bobby Skinner still makes fun of him for it. Skinner is kind of a douche, IMO.
Didn't Toney catch a TD pass from Webb (3rd string)
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Giants ran a "cards" practice, as noted earlier, so the drills were not live. Predetermined outcomes for the offense and then the defense.
So any INTs or TDs - pretty much by design or dictated today.
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Giants ran a "cards" practice, as noted earlier, so the drills were not live. Predetermined outcomes for the offense and then the defense.
So any INTs or TDs - pretty much by design or dictated today.
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Giants ran a "cards" practice, as noted earlier, so the drills were not live. Predetermined outcomes for the offense and then the defense.
So any INTs or TDs - pretty much by design or dictated today.
Don't let that be known. It upsets narratives.
End of the day, who cares the outcome of the play re: is it a INT or TD... because yeah it's only practice.
BUT
Is Daniel Jones Jones accurate with his ball placement?
Does Daniel Jones read the defense and react quickly and decisively or does he hold the ball too long?
Does he have enough ZIP on his passes to squeeze into those tight windows?
And have you been to camp to see him throw for yourself or are your opinions of Daniel Jones in camp based off of someone else's tweets and opinion? Just curious?
"@TomRock_Newsday
FYI if you are following Daniel Jones’ interceptions today: When the offense is working off cards Daboll has the QB throw to a specific receiver no matter what so no decision-making. If the guy is covered the ball goes there anyway.'
That's why it's called practice. Not training camp stat sheet watch.
Barkley tipping a ball to be picked. Must be the new Engram.
In other words, since Jones doesn't appear to be succeeding when throwing into tight areas (aka throwing receivers open), just look the other way...right?
If Jones was completing these passes, would you feel the same? It's just practice, who cares if Jones is putting the ball into tight spaces...?
Interceptions, tipped passes, lack of decision making by QB
"@TomRock_Newsday
FYI if you are following Daniel Jones’ interceptions today: When the offense is working off cards Daboll has the QB throw to a specific receiver no matter what so no decision-making. If the guy is covered the ball goes there anyway.'
That's why it's called practice. Not training camp stat sheet watch.
Barkley tipping a ball to be picked. Must be the new Engram.
In other words, since Jones doesn't appear to be succeeding when throwing into tight areas (aka throwing receivers open), just look the other way...right?
If Jones was completing these passes, would you feel the same? It's just practice, who cares if Jones is putting the ball into tight spaces...?
Really reaching for the digs today, eh? Jones is doing enough by himself to get benched. He doesn't need your help or POV on a day when you were told that everyone knows the play.
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No observations from today. The periods were structured so the offense or defense would succeed. So any play-by-play was meaningless because it wasn’t a competitive setting
positive mentions about his ability to drop off into coverage. Apparently he also had a nice knock down of a ball at the LoS today. Cox calling him "well-rounded" and versatile.
I obviously love the positive stuff about his pass rush, but the fact that he seems to be doing well in multiple facets of the game just makes me optimistic about him. Wink is a guy who will ask him to drop off a decent amount given how exotic some of his looks can get, Thibs being atleast adequate in coverage will be a very important aspect in how well his rookie year goes imo. Sounds good so far.
Jeez, now Conner Hughes is tweeting about the Jets
GiantsWFAN
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🏈🏈🏈🏈#Giants Practice 11: Off players - Taylor razor sharp all day & Board. Play-Kemp toes down on lunging 50/50 td pass from webb left side of endzone. Def players - ARobinson and AJackson (both sticky all day). Play-Love INT off Barkley's fingertips
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants - jones pinpoint dart connex with toney who stabs ball despite blanket from jackson over the middle
maybe I need some afternoon coffee, but it took me a couple sec to figure out "connex" (was reading conn like short for Connecticut). Haven't seen that b4. I get he wants to save 2 characters, but then he uses a totally unnecessary "the" between over and middle! Could've save 3 characters!
I said the moment they signed Taylor, it would be obvious in camp who the better QB is. This was an EXTREMELY easy prediction when you compare the college and professional resumes.
EASY.
Jones was holding everyone else back. Not the other way around.
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Giants ran a "cards" practice, as noted earlier, so the drills were not live. Predetermined outcomes for the offense and then the defense.
So any INTs or TDs - pretty much by design or dictated today.
Don't let that be known. It upsets narratives.
End of the day, who cares the outcome of the play re: is it a INT or TD... because yeah it's only practice.
BUT
Is Daniel Jones Jones accurate with his ball placement?
Does Daniel Jones read the defense and react quickly and decisively or does he hold the ball too long?
Does he have enough ZIP on his passes to squeeze into those tight windows?
And have you been to camp to see him throw for yourself or are your opinions of Daniel Jones in camp based off of someone else's tweets and opinion? Just curious?
Here are my answers to your questions:
Is Daniel Jones Jones accurate with his ball placement? Overall, yes, maybe not top tier NFL ball placement, but certainly good enough to play competitively in the NFL.
Does Daniel Jones read the defense and react quickly and decisively or does he hold the ball too long?
His reaction time has never been that good, and there have been stretches of indecisiveness and he does at times hold the ball too long.
Does he have enough ZIP on his passes to squeeze into those tight windows? Yes he does.
And here is a question realted to your second one:
Can Daniel Jones "feel" pressure in the pocket and thus slip and slide until he finds a soft area to stand in, and all the while keeping his eyes down the field and reading which one of his WRs may break open?
I'm afraid that -- if Daniel Jones is never a starter again after this season -- it will be because the answer is, "NO!"
I said the moment they signed Taylor, it would be obvious in camp who the better QB is. This was an EXTREMELY easy prediction when you compare the college and professional resumes.
EASY.
Jones was holding everyone else back. Not the other way around.
Maybe he was. But you do know the 4/5th of our starting OL are either out of the league or backups now right?
I said the moment they signed Taylor, it would be obvious in camp who the better QB is. This was an EXTREMELY easy prediction when you compare the college and professional resumes.
EASY.
Jones was holding everyone else back. Not the other way around.
Maybe he was. But you do know the 4/5th of our starting OL are either out of the league or backups now right?
We gave the guy Tate, Slayton & Engram as #1 targets. A bad OL. An ineffective Barkley. Judge & Garrett telling him what to do. And the worst injury situation in the league. What else would he need?
That bastard Jones made all of em look bad….Yeah, thats it…
Sure seems like maybe skipping all of preseason like Judge did
"@TomRock_Newsday
FYI if you are following Daniel Jones’ interceptions today: When the offense is working off cards Daboll has the QB throw to a specific receiver no matter what so no decision-making. If the guy is covered the ball goes there anyway.'
That's why it's called practice. Not training camp stat sheet watch.
Barkley tipping a ball to be picked. Must be the new Engram.
In other words, since Jones doesn't appear to be succeeding when throwing into tight areas (aka throwing receivers open), just look the other way...right?
If Jones was completing these passes, would you feel the same? It's just practice, who cares if Jones is putting the ball into tight spaces...?
The point is Daboll has a plan and is acting accordingly. Not fishing for completion percentage or 3 second highlight clips on Twitter.
Those reps are for both Jones/receiver as well as testing the corner. It isn't an isolated rep for one guy. I believe the WR coach, Groh, highlighted option routes and getting on the same page as your quarterback.
In other words, since Jones doesn't appear to be succeeding when throwing into tight areas (aka throwing receivers open), just look the other way...right?
If Jones was completing these passes, would you feel the same? It's just practice, who cares if Jones is putting the ball into tight spaces...?
Really reaching for the digs today, eh? Jones is doing enough by himself to get benched. He doesn't need your help or POV on a day when you were told that everyone knows the play.
Just because you know the play doesn't mean you can execute to stop it.
The NFL many times comes down to one-on-one matchups and who can make the play. Seems we are in a stretch right now where Jones can't make the play. And that most of his errors are on single cover matchups.
Phil Simms once said of the '86 team that they got so good that if he went to the LOS to tell the defense the play the defense still wouldn't be able to stop it. Perhaps not quite an apple to apple, but you get the point...
In other words, since Jones doesn't appear to be succeeding when throwing into tight areas (aka throwing receivers open), just look the other way...right?
If Jones was completing these passes, would you feel the same? It's just practice, who cares if Jones is putting the ball into tight spaces...?
Really reaching for the digs today, eh? Jones is doing enough by himself to get benched. He doesn't need your help or POV on a day when you were told that everyone knows the play.
Just because you know the play doesn't mean you can execute to stop it.
The NFL many times comes down to one-on-one matchups and who can make the play. Seems we are in a stretch right now where Jones can't make the play. And that most of his errors are on single cover matchups.
Phil Simms once said of the '86 team that they got so good that if he went to the LOS to tell the defense the play the defense still wouldn't be able to stop it. Perhaps not quite an apple to apple, but you get the point...
Yet he still managed to throw 22 picks that year with only 21 TDS.
It would be easier for people to take you more seriously if the only thing you didn't post about was attacking the starting QB.
It gets old.
We get, you don't like him. We all know he's an issue. But you seem obsessed with him.
Until Jones is either playing like a top end QB or is no longer playing QB criticism of him won’t get old.
He’s playing the most important position on the team. It’s going to be really brutal if Wink has this defense playing like a top 10 defense in the league and Jones holds them back from being a playoff team.
• Second-team OL: LT Hamilton, LG Douglas, C Bredeson, RG Garcia, RT McGhin (Ezeudu didn't do team drills)
• Third-team OL: LT Mbaeteka, LG Rivas, C McGhin, RG Smith, RT Holden
• DL Jayln Holmes replaced Leonard Williams, who didn't practice
• Second-team DBs: CB Heslop, CB Jacquet, CB Dorsey, S Corker, S Thompson
• Third-team DBs: CB Evans, CB Gilbert, CB Flott, S Adams, S Meadors
• CJ Board was the first KR, Richie James was the first PR
Not a good sign if Flott is truly third team.
Man we have weak back ups.
I tend to agree. You'd hope that a mid-3rd Rounder would do better than those guys ahead of him. But on the depth chart posted on Giants.com he's the backup slot CB behind Holmes, so that's good.
It's early, he's a rookie and CB is a cerebral position, so with some experience I'd think he'd move up the chain.
In other words, since Jones doesn't appear to be succeeding when throwing into tight areas (aka throwing receivers open), just look the other way...right?
If Jones was completing these passes, would you feel the same? It's just practice, who cares if Jones is putting the ball into tight spaces...?
Really reaching for the digs today, eh? Jones is doing enough by himself to get benched. He doesn't need your help or POV on a day when you were told that everyone knows the play.
Just because you know the play doesn't mean you can execute to stop it.
The NFL many times comes down to one-on-one matchups and who can make the play. Seems we are in a stretch right now where Jones can't make the play. And that most of his errors are on single cover matchups.
Phil Simms once said of the '86 team that they got so good that if he went to the LOS to tell the defense the play the defense still wouldn't be able to stop it. Perhaps not
quite an apple to apple, but you get the point...
Again, who gives a shit about today. You waste your time beating a dead horse. Even this answer is BS. Completing a pass in a walk thru in August is not going to be the difference in week 13.
As far as Simms - he was talking about a game, not a walk thru.
Interesting. He has little understanding of the position if you read closely enough.
When people pick apart his stat centric posts you have not seen the pattern?
Abandon and seek the next Jones post and try again.
The last draft I think he was one of a few of the QB gurus clamoring for Willis/Corral at pick 5. Giants messed up and took Thibs.
Uh, I never said take Corral at #5. Nice try.
On Willis, I said it would be a bold move that I would endorse but couldn't see Schoen doing it because it seemed like it 2022 was going to be another audition for Jones to prove himself.
Let me apologize for using stats to try to prove a point. I know in your world football is the ultimate team sport and the QB is just another piece in the puzzle. No more important than the C or LG.
At 5, it was unlikely Thibs would be there at 5. It’s disingenuous to hold that against people.
This is false. Thibs stock was dropping by the “experts” and only a few of us wanted Thibs 5th.
The people who wanted Corral or Wilis wanted him at number 5 no matter what. Thibs was only wanted by a few people at #5. In fact I bet there were more people who wanted no part of him cause of his numbers, Utah games, and his “brand.”
Interesting. He has little understanding of the position if you read closely enough.
When people pick apart his stat centric posts you have not seen the pattern?
Abandon and seek the next Jones post and try again.
The last draft I think he was one of a few of the QB gurus clamoring for Willis/Corral at pick 5. Giants messed up and took Thibs.
Uh, I never said take Corral at #5. Nice try.
On Willis, I said it would be a bold move that I would endorse but couldn't see Schoen doing it because it seemed like it 2022 was going to be another audition for Jones to prove himself.
Let me apologize for using stats to try to prove a point. I know in your world football is the ultimate team sport and the QB is just another piece in the puzzle. No more important than the C or LG.
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You were a fan of taking a QB at 5. No need to backtrack.
The NFL many times comes down to one-on-one matchups and who can make the play. Seems we are in a stretch right now where Jones can't make the play. And that most of his errors are on single cover matchups.
Phil Simms once said of the '86 team that they got so good that if he went to the LOS to tell the defense the play the defense still wouldn't be able to stop it. Perhaps not quite an apple to apple, but you get the point...
Comparing the Simms '86 SB winning team and OL (let's not forget Zeke) to the past three years and this camp, this Card practice: bw, however it ends up for Jones, you're soiling yourself, it's all too revealing and embarrassing.
At 5, it was unlikely Thibs would be there at 5. It’s disingenuous to hold that against people.
This is false. Thibs stock was dropping by the “experts” and only a few of us wanted Thibs 5th.
The people who wanted Corral or Wilis wanted him at number 5 no matter what. Thibs was only wanted by a few people at #5. In fact I bet there were more people who wanted no part of him cause of his numbers, Utah games, and his “brand.”
In the days leading up to the draft the number of mocks that had Thibs in the top 4 vs available at 5 was 50-50. And throughout a majority of the draft process Thibs wasn’t going to be available at 5
At 5, it was unlikely Thibs would be there at 5. It’s disingenuous to hold that against people.
This is false. Thibs stock was dropping by the “experts” and only a few of us wanted Thibs 5th.
The people who wanted Corral or Wilis wanted him at number 5 no matter what. Thibs was only wanted by a few people at #5. In fact I bet there were more people who wanted no part of him cause of his numbers, Utah games, and his “brand.”
In the days leading up to the draft the number of mocks that had Thibs in the top 4 vs available at 5 was 50-50. And throughout a majority of the draft process Thibs wasn’t going to be available at 5
Daniel Jeremiah had him going 10 the day before the draft
Walter football had him 8th in his final draft
Danny Kelly from the ringer had him going 7
Ryan Wilson from CBS had him 14
Kiper had him 12th
McShay had him 8th
Bucky brooks had him 9th
Now there were some like you said had him top 5. But the majority did not.
But again you’re focusing just on the days leading up to the draft
Up until April it wasn’t realistic to think we could have had a shot at Thibs
Well if you’re taking about January and parts of February - sure you’re right. But it was clear after the combine and the reports of his “brand” became known - it was widely accepted he was slipping.
And I could say the same thing about Neal where he was projected a top 3 for most of the time until he slips. But there’s no doubt that Thibs was slipping to the point where the majority didn’t see him as a top 5 pick come draft time.
In other words, since Jones doesn't appear to be succeeding when throwing into tight areas (aka throwing receivers open), just look the other way...right?
If Jones was completing these passes, would you feel the same? It's just practice, who cares if Jones is putting the ball into tight spaces...?
Really reaching for the digs today, eh? Jones is doing enough by himself to get benched. He doesn't need your help or POV on a day when you were told that everyone knows the play.
Just because you know the play doesn't mean you can execute to stop it.
The NFL many times comes down to one-on-one matchups and who can make the play. Seems we are in a stretch right now where Jones can't make the play. And that most of his errors are on single cover matchups.
Phil Simms once said of the '86 team that they got so good that if he went to the LOS to tell the defense the play the defense still wouldn't be able to stop it. Perhaps not quite an apple to apple, but you get the point...
actually if an NFL DB knows the route he is not going to get beat.
That's not the same thing it's calling it off tackle play and letting the defense know it's coming.
The more we hear about Kenny Golladay the more it doesn't sound positive. We clearly played the outbid ourselves game last year in the belief we were a play maker away from turning things around.
Thibodeaux seems to be the real deal, it will be nice to see him in an actual game.
If Brightwell can take the third back spot, that is a cheaper alternative and he plays ST's well.
Collin Johnson would be a really nice addition if he makes the team. His size would certainly come in use inside the 20.
The more we hear about Kenny Golladay the more it doesn't sound positive. We clearly played the outbid ourselves game last year in the belief we were a play maker away from turning things around.
Thibodeaux seems to be the real deal, it will be nice to see him in an actual game.
If Brightwell can take the third back spot, that is a cheaper alternative and he plays ST's well.
Collin Johnson would be a really nice addition if he makes the team. His size would certainly come in use inside the 20.
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Heard Schoen say on WFAN yesterday that he’s hopeful Sterling Shepard will be ready for the start of the season. His dependability as a target will be welcomed.
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#Giants Daboll - will use some "cards" today at practice ...in other words, some scout team work to simulate opponents...shells only
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#Giants Daboll - tempers were up yesterday....told guys those things happen but this team wont do it....everyone knows expectations
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#Giants Daboll - likes the competition and physicality but have to things the right way
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Giants coach Brian Daboll said he spoke to both the players and coaches about yesterday’s fight. “That’s not what we’re looking to do.” Says there will be no discipline for parties involved. #Giants
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#Giants Daboll - after the scrape up, guys listened and stayed competitive
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#Giants Daboll - a thud practice meana the defense player is going to contact the offensive player...it ia physical and competitive...just dont take it over the top
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#Giants Daboll - ezudu questionable to play thurs...starters will play less than a half..some will come out eben earlier
..gave taylor 1 rep with 1s on monday to talk to jones AND to simulate emergency situation for taylor
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#Giants Bryan Cox - asst coach patterson been a great mentor
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#Giants Bryan Cox - says he has matured and mellowed ... can run hot as a coach if he has to but knows he must have patience and understamding
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Daboll doesn’t have an exact rep count for the preseason opener, but starters won’t play an entire half. It will be decided on an individual basis and they’ll see how the first series goes.
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#Giants Bryan Cox - has great relationship with thibodeaux....cant control what other teams though about his desire...he has very good attitude, smart, jokster, guys take to him
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#Giants Bryan Cox - texts with patterson everyday....it is his room and he has gotten me caught up as to follow his voice
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#Giants Bryan Cox - this is 5th time he has worked on staff with daboll...that relationship was key in coming - daboll KNOWS who he is
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#Giants Bryan Cox - thibodeaux is showing great promise...versatile player...and well rounded guy...his play will speak for itself
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Bryan Cox said Kayvon is showing great promise. “He’s versatile and can do a lot of different things. … I think his play is going to speak for itself.”
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#Giants Bobby Johnson - coach daboll made it clear that the overheated scrape from monday cant happen again...and they wont
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#Giants Johnson - the OTs set a different way...teaching neal a new way...he is doing well and pushing himself..working thru it and sees the positives
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Bobby Johnson said the scrimmage in the stadium was probably Evan Neal’s best practice. He’s making tremendous strides each day.
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#Giants Johnson - "pass pro is not passive. it has to be aggressive"
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Giants offensive line coach Bobby Johnson takes “full responsibility” for shoving Cam Brown yesterday during the fight and said he’s apologized to Cam and “it can’t happen again.” It’s clear that is the message Brian Daboll gave him. #Giants
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#Giants Johnson - neal has right mentality....he wants to be special
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#Giants Johnson on goal for OL vs pats - want to see good techniques and communication and max effort
@Dan_Salomone
Bobby Johnson on Evan Neal in the run game: “He’s the size of a bus. If you’re in the way of it, you’re probably going to get moved.”
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#Giants Johnson - thomas very smart and always asking questions that also help neal....impressed on the field and in class with him
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Evan Neal has switched to his number: 73 #Giants
who consistently gets into the backfield, then it will be amazing to watch how well the other 10 defenders perform.
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#Giants WR coach Groh - this system with option routes is not totally new...been done before...sytem worked in buffalo and other places...it is about giving guys tools to separate vs coverage
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#Giants Groh - WR system is about read and react to on the run based on the leverage of the defender....
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#Giants Groh - WR competition is for 1 to 8 spots right now..nothing is set in stone, no matter how many are kept on 53
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WR Coach Mike Groh said Wan’Dale Robinson is “competitively mature” for a rookie.
Just terrible work on their part.
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Injured players unlikely to play: RB Matt Breida, WR David Sills, TE Ricky Seals-Jones, LB Carter Coughlin and CB Rodarius Williams. OL Josh Ezeudu is questionable.
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Leonard Williams is not on the practice field today. Giants say he’s in the training room
This is a Giants site and I have no interest in what is going on in the Jets world.
This is a Giants site and I have no interest in what is going on in the Jets world.
He was supposed to cover both teams, but it's pretty clear he is barely covering the Giants. I will probably drop him soon.
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@DDuggan21
Today is simulating a Friday regular season practice so will be light on observations. Defense will be serving as the scout team for the offense and vice versa in different periods.
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Leonard Williams isn’t practicing today. I’m told he’s here and inside getting treatment. Been grinding all training camp and it’s a cards practice. #Giants
Just terrible work on their part.
Yeah, pretty poor on their part. Th position coaches are closest to the players and invariably have a lot of valuable insight.
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DT Nick Williams also is in the training room and not on the field
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#Giants-Roche Shepard Coughlin RWilliams Breida Peart working with trainers on the backfield .... all moving fluidly
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C Jon Feliciano and LB Tae Crowder just stood together and waved to the crowd. Much friendlier than their exchange yesterday.
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#Giants 11 on 11 - Thibodeaux with a batted pass at the line..then Barkley shows burst on a run up the middle - so does AWilliams om next carry
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#Giants - taylor lofts a perfect throw to james for 20
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#Giamts - Proehl cramps up while catching a crossing route
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2nd day in a row with Josh Ezeudu not practicing in team drills. Guessing he won’t play Thursday.
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#Giants - jones pinpoint dart connex with toney who stabs ball despite blanket from jackson over the middle
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Giants 2nd string OL today
LT Devery Hamilton
LG Jamil Douglas
C Ben Bredeson
RG Max Garcia
RT Garrett McGhin
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#Giants - jones connex with toney down left sideline
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#Giants - taylor long left bomb as slayton beats heslop for a 60-yd TD
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#Giants - jackson INT of right bomb from jones for robinson
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Giants 2nd team DB’s today
CB Michael Jacquet
CB Gavin Heslop
Nickel Khalil Dorsey
S Yusuf Corker
S Trenton Thompson
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#Giants - Webb with a perfect loft to Akins for a big gain
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Giants 2nd team DB’s today
CB Michael Jacquet
CB Gavin Heslop
Nickel Khalil Dorsey
S Yusuf Corker
S Trenton Thompson
Well thats scary
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#Giants- ARobinson closes and breaks up jones pass to left side for golladay...next snap barkley tips an accurate jones throw over the midde - INT by love
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Andrew Adams has worked as 3rd safety with 1st team but also with the 3rd stringers today
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#Giants - ARobinson reaches in and forces INC on perfect jones tightrope to johnson over the middle
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FYI if you are following Daniel Jones’ interceptions today: When the offense is working off cards Daboll has the QB throw to a specific receiver no matter what so no decision-making. If the guy is covered the ball goes there anyway.
FYI if you are following Daniel Jones’ interceptions today: When the offense is working off cards Daboll has the QB throw to a specific receiver no matter what so no decision-making. If the guy is covered the ball goes there anyway.'
That's why it's called practice. Not training camp stat sheet watch.
Barkley tipping a ball to be picked. Must be the new Engram.
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Hold on now… The backside dig is designed to win vs. Cov 2. Idk the WRs rules but he totally stopped running and the slot guy should have sat down to help occupy the hook defender. Football is a TEAM sport for a reason. People love to slander yet know nothing about football 🙄
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Hold on now… The backside dig is designed to win vs. Cov 2. Idk the WRs rules but he totally stopped running and the slot guy should have sat down to help occupy the hook defender. Football is a TEAM sport for a reason. People love to slander yet know nothing about football 🙄
Lauletta is talking about a play that happened last summer that somebody posted on twitter without mentioning the date.
Didn't even happen in this camp, let alone today, for anyone wondering.
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#Giants - jackson INT of right bomb from jones for robinson
Probably woefully under thrown
FYI if you are following Daniel Jones’ interceptions today: When the offense is working off cards Daboll has the QB throw to a specific receiver no matter what so no decision-making. If the guy is covered the ball goes there anyway.'
That's why it's called practice. Not training camp stat sheet watch.
Barkley tipping a ball to be picked. Must be the new Engram.
Ha, was thinking the same thing....tough job and someone had to do it.
@BobbySkinner_
Seems like the Giants are using a fade/go on the outside as their hot route. I like that.
Justin Penik
@JustinPenik
First time really observing how active Jerome Henderson is with the DB’s on the side not in team drills. Fun to see. Henderson acts like he’s a WR about to catch the ball and Holmes/Adoreé are sticking their hands in to break up an invisible pass.
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#Giants - ARobinson blanket breakup of Jones 50/50 to golladay in left corner..
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#Giants - meadors and evans break up a webb 50/50 ball in left corner of endzone
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#Giants -taylor rifles two straight short td passes to board and slayton
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Another light day for Kadarius Toney. He was shut down early in practice. Trainers were working on his right knee/leg.
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#Giants- ARobinson INT of jones left corner throw to golladay...then love breakup on throw over middle to bellinger....then taylor a dart for a td to board
This is a Giants site and I have no interest in what is going on in the Jets world.
Not only is he just the Jets, but he tweets twice as much as everyone else
He got one freakin' snap with the ones. ONE.
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Another light day for Kadarius Toney. He was shut down early in practice. Trainers were working on his right knee/leg.
I don't see any way this guy stays healthy this season. We'll be lucky if he plays 10 games.
@TalkinGiants
Giants fans and players just sang Happy Birthday to Xavier McKinney. #culture
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The Giants ran a light practice. WR Kadarius Toney didn’t finish. Trainer appeared to be working on his right leg at one point during the practice. #giants
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#Giants - webb perfect rainbow toss for td right corner to doss behind gilbert...then webb td on left dart to kemp
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Another light day for Kadarius Toney. He was shut down early in practice. Trainers were working on his right knee/leg.
I don't see any way this guy stays healthy this season. We'll be lucky if he plays 10 games.
You can say that about just about any player in the NFL. Guy had knee surgery a couple months ago. They have a tendency to get swollen when pushed. He's been pretty active for over two weeks. Just may very well need a rest to let the healing catch up.
He's coming off knee surgery. They just may be managing it.
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Hold on now… The backside dig is designed to win vs. Cov 2. Idk the WRs rules but he totally stopped running and the slot guy should have sat down to help occupy the hook defender. Football is a TEAM sport for a reason. People love to slander yet know nothing about football 🙄
Lauletta is talking about a play that happened last summer that somebody posted on twitter without mentioning the date.
Didn't even happen in this camp, let alone today, for anyone wondering.
I would just like to point out that Lualetta defended Jones in his tweet, there's no way that he could know that video was from last year, yet Bobby Skinner still makes fun of him for it. Skinner is kind of a douche, IMO.
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Giants ran a "cards" practice, as noted earlier, so the drills were not live. Predetermined outcomes for the offense and then the defense.
So any INTs or TDs - pretty much by design or dictated today.
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Giants ran a "cards" practice, as noted earlier, so the drills were not live. Predetermined outcomes for the offense and then the defense.
So any INTs or TDs - pretty much by design or dictated today.
Don't let that be known. It upsets narratives.
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Giants ran a "cards" practice, as noted earlier, so the drills were not live. Predetermined outcomes for the offense and then the defense.
So any INTs or TDs - pretty much by design or dictated today.
Don't let that be known. It upsets narratives.
End of the day, who cares the outcome of the play re: is it a INT or TD... because yeah it's only practice.
BUT
Is Daniel Jones Jones accurate with his ball placement?
Does Daniel Jones read the defense and react quickly and decisively or does he hold the ball too long?
Does he have enough ZIP on his passes to squeeze into those tight windows?
And have you been to camp to see him throw for yourself or are your opinions of Daniel Jones in camp based off of someone else's tweets and opinion? Just curious?
BBI might want to pop the tops, get some water and relax a bit ?
FYI if you are following Daniel Jones’ interceptions today: When the offense is working off cards Daboll has the QB throw to a specific receiver no matter what so no decision-making. If the guy is covered the ball goes there anyway.'
That's why it's called practice. Not training camp stat sheet watch.
Barkley tipping a ball to be picked. Must be the new Engram.
In other words, since Jones doesn't appear to be succeeding when throwing into tight areas (aka throwing receivers open), just look the other way...right?
If Jones was completing these passes, would you feel the same? It's just practice, who cares if Jones is putting the ball into tight spaces...?
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"@TomRock_Newsday
FYI if you are following Daniel Jones’ interceptions today: When the offense is working off cards Daboll has the QB throw to a specific receiver no matter what so no decision-making. If the guy is covered the ball goes there anyway.'
That's why it's called practice. Not training camp stat sheet watch.
Barkley tipping a ball to be picked. Must be the new Engram.
In other words, since Jones doesn't appear to be succeeding when throwing into tight areas (aka throwing receivers open), just look the other way...right?
If Jones was completing these passes, would you feel the same? It's just practice, who cares if Jones is putting the ball into tight spaces...?
Really reaching for the digs today, eh? Jones is doing enough by himself to get benched. He doesn't need your help or POV on a day when you were told that everyone knows the play.
@giantswfan
#Giants - jones connex with toney down left sideline
Are we supposed to take a guy who spells connects "connex" seriously? I'm sorry, I just can't.
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No observations from today. The periods were structured so the offense or defense would succeed. So any play-by-play was meaningless because it wasn’t a competitive setting
• Second-team OL: LT Hamilton, LG Douglas, C Bredeson, RG Garcia, RT McGhin (Ezeudu didn't do team drills)
• Third-team OL: LT Mbaeteka, LG Rivas, C McGhin, RG Smith, RT Holden
• DL Jayln Holmes replaced Leonard Williams, who didn't practice
• Second-team DBs: CB Heslop, CB Jacquet, CB Dorsey, S Corker, S Thompson
• Third-team DBs: CB Evans, CB Gilbert, CB Flott, S Adams, S Meadors
• CJ Board was the first KR, Richie James was the first PR
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#Giants - jones connex with toney down left sideline
Are we supposed to take a guy who spells connects "connex" seriously? I'm sorry, I just can't.
Seems weird but x and ct are etymologically equivalent. Brits spell connection as connexion
I obviously love the positive stuff about his pass rush, but the fact that he seems to be doing well in multiple facets of the game just makes me optimistic about him. Wink is a guy who will ask him to drop off a decent amount given how exotic some of his looks can get, Thibs being atleast adequate in coverage will be a very important aspect in how well his rookie year goes imo. Sounds good so far.
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🏈🏈🏈🏈#Giants Practice 11: Off players - Taylor razor sharp all day & Board. Play-Kemp toes down on lunging 50/50 td pass from webb left side of endzone. Def players - ARobinson and AJackson (both sticky all day). Play-Love INT off Barkley's fingertips
• Second-team OL: LT Hamilton, LG Douglas, C Bredeson, RG Garcia, RT McGhin (Ezeudu didn't do team drills)
• Third-team OL: LT Mbaeteka, LG Rivas, C McGhin, RG Smith, RT Holden
• DL Jayln Holmes replaced Leonard Williams, who didn't practice
• Second-team DBs: CB Heslop, CB Jacquet, CB Dorsey, S Corker, S Thompson
• Third-team DBs: CB Evans, CB Gilbert, CB Flott, S Adams, S Meadors
• CJ Board was the first KR, Richie James was the first PR
So, as usual in preseason, once the OL1 group is pulled, the game essentially becomes unwatchable.
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#Giants - jones pinpoint dart connex with toney who stabs ball despite blanket from jackson over the middle
maybe I need some afternoon coffee, but it took me a couple sec to figure out "connex" (was reading conn like short for Connecticut). Haven't seen that b4. I get he wants to save 2 characters, but then he uses a totally unnecessary "the" between over and middle! Could've save 3 characters!
• Second-team OL: LT Hamilton, LG Douglas, C Bredeson, RG Garcia, RT McGhin (Ezeudu didn't do team drills)
• Third-team OL: LT Mbaeteka, LG Rivas, C McGhin, RG Smith, RT Holden
• DL Jayln Holmes replaced Leonard Williams, who didn't practice
• Second-team DBs: CB Heslop, CB Jacquet, CB Dorsey, S Corker, S Thompson
• Third-team DBs: CB Evans, CB Gilbert, CB Flott, S Adams, S Meadors
• CJ Board was the first KR, Richie James was the first PR
Not a good sign if Flott is truly third team.
Man we have weak back ups.
EASY.
Jones was holding everyone else back. Not the other way around.
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Depth chart notes from today:
• Second-team OL: LT Hamilton, LG Douglas, C Bredeson, RG Garcia, RT McGhin (Ezeudu didn't do team drills)
• Third-team OL: LT Mbaeteka, LG Rivas, C McGhin, RG Smith, RT Holden
• DL Jayln Holmes replaced Leonard Williams, who didn't practice
• Second-team DBs: CB Heslop, CB Jacquet, CB Dorsey, S Corker, S Thompson
• Third-team DBs: CB Evans, CB Gilbert, CB Flott, S Adams, S Meadors
• CJ Board was the first KR, Richie James was the first PR
Not a good sign if Flott is truly third team.
Man we have weak back ups.
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Giants ran a "cards" practice, as noted earlier, so the drills were not live. Predetermined outcomes for the offense and then the defense.
So any INTs or TDs - pretty much by design or dictated today.
Don't let that be known. It upsets narratives.
End of the day, who cares the outcome of the play re: is it a INT or TD... because yeah it's only practice.
BUT
Is Daniel Jones Jones accurate with his ball placement?
Does Daniel Jones read the defense and react quickly and decisively or does he hold the ball too long?
Does he have enough ZIP on his passes to squeeze into those tight windows?
And have you been to camp to see him throw for yourself or are your opinions of Daniel Jones in camp based off of someone else's tweets and opinion? Just curious?
Here are my answers to your questions:
Is Daniel Jones Jones accurate with his ball placement? Overall, yes, maybe not top tier NFL ball placement, but certainly good enough to play competitively in the NFL.
Does Daniel Jones read the defense and react quickly and decisively or does he hold the ball too long?
His reaction time has never been that good, and there have been stretches of indecisiveness and he does at times hold the ball too long.
Does he have enough ZIP on his passes to squeeze into those tight windows? Yes he does.
And here is a question realted to your second one:
Can Daniel Jones "feel" pressure in the pocket and thus slip and slide until he finds a soft area to stand in, and all the while keeping his eyes down the field and reading which one of his WRs may break open?
I'm afraid that -- if Daniel Jones is never a starter again after this season -- it will be because the answer is, "NO!"
Not a good sign if Flott is truly third team.
yeah, I think he slipped down from 2nd team
EASY.
Jones was holding everyone else back. Not the other way around.
Maybe he was. But you do know the 4/5th of our starting OL are either out of the league or backups now right?
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#Giants - jones connex with toney down left sideline
Are we supposed to take a guy who spells connects "connex" seriously? I'm sorry, I just can't.
Old man yells at cloud gif
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Not a good sign if Flott is truly third team.
yeah, I think he slipped down from 2nd team
Flott was listed as 2nd team nickle in yesterday's unofficial depth chart
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I said the moment they signed Taylor, it would be obvious in camp who the better QB is. This was an EXTREMELY easy prediction when you compare the college and professional resumes.
EASY.
Jones was holding everyone else back. Not the other way around.
Maybe he was. But you do know the 4/5th of our starting OL are either out of the league or backups now right?
We gave the guy Tate, Slayton & Engram as #1 targets. A bad OL. An ineffective Barkley. Judge & Garrett telling him what to do. And the worst injury situation in the league. What else would he need?
That bastard Jones made all of em look bad….Yeah, thats it…
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FYI if you are following Daniel Jones’ interceptions today: When the offense is working off cards Daboll has the QB throw to a specific receiver no matter what so no decision-making. If the guy is covered the ball goes there anyway.'
That's why it's called practice. Not training camp stat sheet watch.
Barkley tipping a ball to be picked. Must be the new Engram.
In other words, since Jones doesn't appear to be succeeding when throwing into tight areas (aka throwing receivers open), just look the other way...right?
If Jones was completing these passes, would you feel the same? It's just practice, who cares if Jones is putting the ball into tight spaces...?
The point is Daboll has a plan and is acting accordingly. Not fishing for completion percentage or 3 second highlight clips on Twitter.
Those reps are for both Jones/receiver as well as testing the corner. It isn't an isolated rep for one guy. I believe the WR coach, Groh, highlighted option routes and getting on the same page as your quarterback.
In other words, since Jones doesn't appear to be succeeding when throwing into tight areas (aka throwing receivers open), just look the other way...right?
If Jones was completing these passes, would you feel the same? It's just practice, who cares if Jones is putting the ball into tight spaces...?
Really reaching for the digs today, eh? Jones is doing enough by himself to get benched. He doesn't need your help or POV on a day when you were told that everyone knows the play.
Just because you know the play doesn't mean you can execute to stop it.
The NFL many times comes down to one-on-one matchups and who can make the play. Seems we are in a stretch right now where Jones can't make the play. And that most of his errors are on single cover matchups.
Phil Simms once said of the '86 team that they got so good that if he went to the LOS to tell the defense the play the defense still wouldn't be able to stop it. Perhaps not quite an apple to apple, but you get the point...
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In other words, since Jones doesn't appear to be succeeding when throwing into tight areas (aka throwing receivers open), just look the other way...right?
If Jones was completing these passes, would you feel the same? It's just practice, who cares if Jones is putting the ball into tight spaces...?
Really reaching for the digs today, eh? Jones is doing enough by himself to get benched. He doesn't need your help or POV on a day when you were told that everyone knows the play.
Just because you know the play doesn't mean you can execute to stop it.
The NFL many times comes down to one-on-one matchups and who can make the play. Seems we are in a stretch right now where Jones can't make the play. And that most of his errors are on single cover matchups.
Phil Simms once said of the '86 team that they got so good that if he went to the LOS to tell the defense the play the defense still wouldn't be able to stop it. Perhaps not quite an apple to apple, but you get the point...
Yet he still managed to throw 22 picks that year with only 21 TDS.
It gets old.
We get, you don't like him. We all know he's an issue. But you seem obsessed with him.
It gets old.
We get, you don't like him. We all know he's an issue. But you seem obsessed with him.
Until Jones is either playing like a top end QB or is no longer playing QB criticism of him won’t get old.
He’s playing the most important position on the team. It’s going to be really brutal if Wink has this defense playing like a top 10 defense in the league and Jones holds them back from being a playoff team.
bw in dc is a smart guy, but they only thing he posts about is Daniel Jones. Non stop.
When you post exclusively about one thing, people tune you out.
It gets old.
We get, you don't like him. We all know he's an issue. But you seem obsessed with him.
I guess it was the other "bw in dc" who posted today in the Durant thread and the 2023 college QB prospects thread.
I have a pretty long history here chiming in about almost every football topic. So, I'll stand by that.
Being interested in the performance of the most important position in the sport seems very interesting to me.
Nevertheless, I appreciate the criticism. ;)
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Depth chart notes from today:
• Second-team OL: LT Hamilton, LG Douglas, C Bredeson, RG Garcia, RT McGhin (Ezeudu didn't do team drills)
• Third-team OL: LT Mbaeteka, LG Rivas, C McGhin, RG Smith, RT Holden
• DL Jayln Holmes replaced Leonard Williams, who didn't practice
• Second-team DBs: CB Heslop, CB Jacquet, CB Dorsey, S Corker, S Thompson
• Third-team DBs: CB Evans, CB Gilbert, CB Flott, S Adams, S Meadors
• CJ Board was the first KR, Richie James was the first PR
Not a good sign if Flott is truly third team.
Man we have weak back ups.
I tend to agree. You'd hope that a mid-3rd Rounder would do better than those guys ahead of him. But on the depth chart posted on Giants.com he's the backup slot CB behind Holmes, so that's good.
It's early, he's a rookie and CB is a cerebral position, so with some experience I'd think he'd move up the chain.
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In other words, since Jones doesn't appear to be succeeding when throwing into tight areas (aka throwing receivers open), just look the other way...right?
If Jones was completing these passes, would you feel the same? It's just practice, who cares if Jones is putting the ball into tight spaces...?
Really reaching for the digs today, eh? Jones is doing enough by himself to get benched. He doesn't need your help or POV on a day when you were told that everyone knows the play.
Just because you know the play doesn't mean you can execute to stop it.
The NFL many times comes down to one-on-one matchups and who can make the play. Seems we are in a stretch right now where Jones can't make the play. And that most of his errors are on single cover matchups.
Phil Simms once said of the '86 team that they got so good that if he went to the LOS to tell the defense the play the defense still wouldn't be able to stop it. Perhaps not
quite an apple to apple, but you get the point...
Again, who gives a shit about today. You waste your time beating a dead horse. Even this answer is BS. Completing a pass in a walk thru in August is not going to be the difference in week 13.
As far as Simms - he was talking about a game, not a walk thru.
In fact, I am wasting my time.even responding.
I miss your commentary on other matters.
bw in dc is a smart guy, but they only thing he posts about is Daniel Jones. Non stop.
When you post exclusively about one thing, people tune you out.
The most important position on the team deserves to be talked about every day, though.
It’s only annoying to some because the guy stinks.
I miss your commentary on other matters.
I have never, ever said Daniel Jones sucks. Never. I have always tried to criticize using metrics and some common sense via the eye-test.
Again, you are missing the point.
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I apologize if I'm missing your other posts, but all I see you post all of the time now is "Daniel Jones sucks."
I miss your commentary on other matters.
I have never, ever said Daniel Jones sucks. Never. I have always tried to criticize using metrics and some common sense via the eye-test.
Just post more about Centers or Chris Mara, and he'll get off your back...
When people pick apart his stat centric posts you have not seen the pattern?
Abandon and seek the next Jones post and try again.
The last draft I think he was one of a few of the QB gurus clamoring for Willis/Corral at pick 5. Giants messed up and took Thibs.
Just post more about Centers or Chris Mara, and he'll get off your back...
I look forward to the day when you have an epiphany and realize just how destructive Chris Mara has been to this organization... ;)
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Just post more about Centers or Chris Mara, and he'll get off your back...
I look forward to the day when you have an epiphany and realize just how destructive Chris Mara has been to this organization... ;)
Ha...and I of course welcome being shown that path of destruction that he marched everybody down.
When people pick apart his stat centric posts you have not seen the pattern?
Abandon and seek the next Jones post and try again.
The last draft I think he was one of a few of the QB gurus clamoring for Willis/Corral at pick 5. Giants messed up and took Thibs.
Uh, I never said take Corral at #5. Nice try.
On Willis, I said it would be a bold move that I would endorse but couldn't see Schoen doing it because it seemed like it 2022 was going to be another audition for Jones to prove himself.
Let me apologize for using stats to try to prove a point. I know in your world football is the ultimate team sport and the QB is just another piece in the puzzle. No more important than the C or LG.
This is false. Thibs stock was dropping by the “experts” and only a few of us wanted Thibs 5th.
The people who wanted Corral or Wilis wanted him at number 5 no matter what. Thibs was only wanted by a few people at #5. In fact I bet there were more people who wanted no part of him cause of his numbers, Utah games, and his “brand.”
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Interesting. He has little understanding of the position if you read closely enough.
When people pick apart his stat centric posts you have not seen the pattern?
Abandon and seek the next Jones post and try again.
The last draft I think he was one of a few of the QB gurus clamoring for Willis/Corral at pick 5. Giants messed up and took Thibs.
Uh, I never said take Corral at #5. Nice try.
On Willis, I said it would be a bold move that I would endorse but couldn't see Schoen doing it because it seemed like it 2022 was going to be another audition for Jones to prove himself.
Let me apologize for using stats to try to prove a point. I know in your world football is the ultimate team sport and the QB is just another piece in the puzzle. No more important than the C or LG.
You were a fan of taking a QB at 5. No need to backtrack.
Phil Simms once said of the '86 team that they got so good that if he went to the LOS to tell the defense the play the defense still wouldn't be able to stop it. Perhaps not quite an apple to apple, but you get the point...
Comparing the Simms '86 SB winning team and OL (let's not forget Zeke) to the past three years and this camp, this Card practice: bw, however it ends up for Jones, you're soiling yourself, it's all too revealing and embarrassing.
You were a fan of taking a QB at 5. No need to backtrack.
No, I was a fan of taking a QB at either 5 or 7.
There is no backtracking.
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At 5, it was unlikely Thibs would be there at 5. It’s disingenuous to hold that against people.
This is false. Thibs stock was dropping by the “experts” and only a few of us wanted Thibs 5th.
The people who wanted Corral or Wilis wanted him at number 5 no matter what. Thibs was only wanted by a few people at #5. In fact I bet there were more people who wanted no part of him cause of his numbers, Utah games, and his “brand.”
In the days leading up to the draft the number of mocks that had Thibs in the top 4 vs available at 5 was 50-50. And throughout a majority of the draft process Thibs wasn’t going to be available at 5
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At 5, it was unlikely Thibs would be there at 5. It’s disingenuous to hold that against people.
This is false. Thibs stock was dropping by the “experts” and only a few of us wanted Thibs 5th.
The people who wanted Corral or Wilis wanted him at number 5 no matter what. Thibs was only wanted by a few people at #5. In fact I bet there were more people who wanted no part of him cause of his numbers, Utah games, and his “brand.”
In the days leading up to the draft the number of mocks that had Thibs in the top 4 vs available at 5 was 50-50. And throughout a majority of the draft process Thibs wasn’t going to be available at 5
Daniel Jeremiah had him going 10 the day before the draft
Walter football had him 8th in his final draft
Danny Kelly from the ringer had him going 7
Ryan Wilson from CBS had him 14
Kiper had him 12th
McShay had him 8th
Bucky brooks had him 9th
Now there were some like you said had him top 5. But the majority did not.
Well if you’re taking about January and parts of February - sure you’re right. But it was clear after the combine and the reports of his “brand” became known - it was widely accepted he was slipping.
And I could say the same thing about Neal where he was projected a top 3 for most of the time until he slips. But there’s no doubt that Thibs was slipping to the point where the majority didn’t see him as a top 5 pick come draft time.
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Connex?
Here I was thinking Pdot couldn't get any more insufferable, and then... "connex"
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In comment 15775737 bw in dc said:
In other words, since Jones doesn't appear to be succeeding when throwing into tight areas (aka throwing receivers open), just look the other way...right?
If Jones was completing these passes, would you feel the same? It's just practice, who cares if Jones is putting the ball into tight spaces...?
Really reaching for the digs today, eh? Jones is doing enough by himself to get benched. He doesn't need your help or POV on a day when you were told that everyone knows the play.
Just because you know the play doesn't mean you can execute to stop it.
The NFL many times comes down to one-on-one matchups and who can make the play. Seems we are in a stretch right now where Jones can't make the play. And that most of his errors are on single cover matchups.
Phil Simms once said of the '86 team that they got so good that if he went to the LOS to tell the defense the play the defense still wouldn't be able to stop it. Perhaps not quite an apple to apple, but you get the point...
That's not the same thing it's calling it off tackle play and letting the defense know it's coming.