Patriots Offense Struggling.. sound familiar?

No biggie at this point, imv

In comment 15775910 Big Blue '56 said:

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No biggie at this point, imv

I agree... but plenty of bellyaching going on around here.

lighting it up then people would be bitching about how bad the defense is.

Going to be a take shots at the Pats o-coordinator thread.

In comment 15775914 KingBlue said:

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In comment 15775910 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: No biggie at this point, imv I agree... but plenty of bellyaching going on around here.

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I wonder if he made a mistake running back to NE. If he is involved in a messy offensive, I don’t see him getting another NFL HC gig. He’s in a tough spot now with Patricia.

Isn't Patricia the defacto Pats OC? I don't think it is Judge. And as far as I know, Patricia has no experience on the offensive side of the ball.

that Belichick has enough equity in his coaching career to get the benefit of the doubt on this situation?

Do you really want to bet against him that he gets this right?

In comment 15775921 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Isn't Patricia the defacto Pats OC? I don't think it is Judge. And as far as I know, Patricia has no experience on the offensive side of the ball.

According to their website Patricia is listed as Senior Football Advisor / Offensive Line and Judge is Offensive Assistant / Quarterbacks. Nobody is listed as an offensive coordinator.

Their offense is struggling early in camp, as is our offense. So let's not all freak out. Dabs and Kaafka come from pretty good offensive systems... maybe give them some time and our offense will improve.

In Giants terms that’s Spagnuolo to Sheridan

In comment 15775910 Big Blue '56 said:

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No biggie at this point, imv

Our offense struggled all preseason long last year...it does matter.

In comment 15775939 KingBlue said:

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... let's not all freak out. Dabs and Kaafka come from pretty good offensive systems... maybe give them some time and our offense will improve.

In comment 15775954 Jints in Carolina said:

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In comment 15775910 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: No biggie at this point, imv Our offense struggled all preseason long last year...it does matter.

New staff, new system, new players...new slate.

So another team's offense is also struggling in practice so that means what?

That we should not worry about the Giants offense struggling in practice?

Do you think they will be perfectly fine in the regular season because the Patriots offense is also struggling in camp or something?

Someone help me make it make sense please

In comment 15775979 90.Cal said:

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So another team's offense is also struggling in practice so that means what? That we should not worry about the Giants offense struggling in practice? Do you think they will be perfectly fine in the regular season because the Patriots offense is also struggling in camp or something? OK... I'll try. Many offenses struggle the first week of camp, only to improve with more reps. So stop with all the whining, moaning and groaning. Let it play out. Someone help me make it make sense please

In comment 15775983 KingBlue said:

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In comment 15775979 90.Cal said: Quote: So another team's offense is also struggling in practice so that means what? That we should not worry about the Giants offense struggling in practice? Do you think they will be perfectly fine in the regular season because the Patriots offense is also struggling in camp or something? OK... I'll try. Many offenses struggle the first week of camp, only to improve with more reps. So stop with all the whining, moaning and groaning. Let it play out. Someone help me make it make sense please OK... I'll try. Many offenses struggle the first week of camp, only to improve with more reps. So stop with all the whining, moaning and groaning. Let it play out.

In comment 15775910 Big Blue '56 said:

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No biggie at this point, imv

At what point does performing well in practice matter then?

Yeah it's early but do you really expect us to light it up in week 1 if we can't even light it up in practice?

That's all I'm saying... at some point our QB has to show improvement on ball placement, reading defenses, being decisive and putting some zip on the ball when throwing into tight windows.

Or no? The switch will just magically turn on when the season starts?

now. Everything from Mac Jones struggling to team picking up changes to the offense that BB is installing. Little talk of it amongst Pats fans cause they don't have a BBI and of course they ve been a winning franchise.

Would not surprise me if its a ploy by Little Bill.

And they'll look like All is well. Typical Giants form of remedy for opposing team

Pats average 27 points per game

Giants average 15 points per game

One team has a lot more to prove

listening to the Around The NFL podcast and they said the Patriots are deploying a completely new offense this year. They were previously running the same offense that Charlie Weis installed 20 years ago, which was the same similar offense that Ron Erhardt used with the Giants.

What I heard, is they are switching to a more Zone blocking scheme to take advantage of what their new rookie offensive lineman do well as well as adapt to more of what the league is doing. Early reports are that Mac Jones has struggled with it.

WOW I really thought Judge had some new ideas and was going to light the NFL up this year with QB sneaks.

In comment 15776012 Fat Wally said:

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listening to the Around The NFL podcast and they said the Patriots are deploying a completely new offense this year. They were previously running the same offense that Charlie Weis installed 20 years ago, which was the same similar offense that Ron Erhardt used with the Giants. What I heard, is they are switching to a more Zone blocking scheme to take advantage of what their new rookie offensive lineman do well as well as adapt to more of what the league is doing. Early reports are that Mac Jones has struggled with it.

Yes. That offense has been around over four decades (many enhancements). It actually originally started in NE. Perkins, Parcells, Erhardt and Ernie Adams (he was the one who introduced BB to Perkins) all were on the Patriots staff. Certainly a good haul for the Giants.

BB talked about scheme changes after the Buffalo loss. Be interesting to see what direction they go. Lot of turnover for the staff with some big losses the last few years. Scarnechia a 35 year NE treasure.

In comment 15775985 KingBlue said:

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In comment 15775983 KingBlue said: Quote: In comment 15775979 90.Cal said: Quote: So another team's offense is also struggling in practice so that means what? That we should not worry about the Giants offense struggling in practice? Do you think they will be perfectly fine in the regular season because the Patriots offense is also struggling in camp or something? OK... I'll try. Many offenses struggle the first week of camp, only to improve with more reps. So stop with all the whining, moaning and groaning. Let it play out. Someone help me make it make sense please OK... I'll try. Many offenses struggle the first week of camp, only to improve with more reps. So stop with all the whining, moaning and groaning. Let it play out.

Let it play... you mean like what I've been doing the last 10 years basically. Fuck that and you, I'm tired of losing and being out of the hunt before the end of October maybe your happy to keep providing excuses for Jones and this team, I'm not.

In comment 15776026 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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In comment 15776012 Fat Wally said: Quote: listening to the Around The NFL podcast and they said the Patriots are deploying a completely new offense this year. They were previously running the same offense that Charlie Weis installed 20 years ago, which was the same similar offense that Ron Erhardt used with the Giants. What I heard, is they are switching to a more Zone blocking scheme to take advantage of what their new rookie offensive lineman do well as well as adapt to more of what the league is doing. Early reports are that Mac Jones has struggled with it. Yes. That offense has been around over four decades (many enhancements). It actually originally started in NE. Perkins, Parcells, Erhardt and Ernie Adams (he was the one who introduced BB to Perkins) all were on the Patriots staff. Certainly a good haul for the Giants. BB talked about scheme changes after the Buffalo loss. Be interesting to see what direction they go. Lot of turnover for the staff with some big losses the last few years. Scarnechia a 35 year NE treasure.

Outside zone running game is probably the best scheme in the NFL. Puts a lot of horizontal conflict on the D combined with bootleg play action which gives even bums like Jimmy G easy reads. One weakness also apparent with choker Jimmy G is he loses this advantage in the 2 minute offense.

In comment 15775920 Sean said:

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I wonder if he made a mistake running back to NE. If he is involved in a messy offensive, I don’t see him getting another NFL HC gig. He’s in a tough spot now with Patricia.

After his NY flameout, I'd be surprised if he ever gets another interview for a HC position in the NFL. His best bet is college IMO. In hindsight, I bet he wishes he took that Mississippi State offer.

I expect that will be a big part of their offense this year

I seriously doubt BB56 was saying that practice does not matter or the performance does not matter. I think what he saying is that it is difficult to know from the outside what matters and what does not.

The defense is always ahead of the offense early in camp, particularly when it is a new offense and a hyper aggressive attacking defense. When I was in college we had a hyper aggressive defensive coach that always attacked sending 5,6,7, or more attackers at the offense. Our head coach acted as the offensive coordinator and would say early in camp give my guys a break and at least let us run a play or two. The defensive coach would just say learn to block and make plays. It was always easier in games then in practice, particularly during summer practice.

In comment 15776052 90.Cal said:

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In comment 15775985 KingBlue said: Quote: In comment 15775983 KingBlue said: Quote: In comment 15775979 90.Cal said: Quote: So another team's offense is also struggling in practice so that means what? That we should not worry about the Giants offense struggling in practice? Do you think they will be perfectly fine in the regular season because the Patriots offense is also struggling in camp or something? OK... I'll try. Many offenses struggle the first week of camp, only to improve with more reps. So stop with all the whining, moaning and groaning. Let it play out. Someone help me make it make sense please OK... I'll try. Many offenses struggle the first week of camp, only to improve with more reps. So stop with all the whining, moaning and groaning. Let it play out. Let it play... you mean like what I've been doing the last 10 years basically. Fuck that and you, I'm tired of losing and being out of the hunt before the end of October maybe your happy to keep providing excuses for Jones and this team, I'm not.

Hey Asshole, I never mentioned Jones or the previous ten years which have nothing to do with this thread or its premise, which apparently you are too ignorant to comprehend.

The premise, moron, is that many offenses, including teams like the Pats with new systems in place struggle early in camp... so give it some time. You fucking dumbass.

to take a knee on second and third down. It will just take a little more coaching up by Judge.

Then they win 10-14 games.

The Giants struggle in camp...