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Sehorn as a KR in '98...yay or nay for it?

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/9/2022 4:50 pm
That was somewhat of a contentious issue that summer, if memory serves me right. The Giants were-I believe-last in the league in kick returning yardage in '97 so Fassel was trying to get something going on there, but I remember not being a fan of putting Sehorn-who was an absolute stud in '96 & '97-as a KR & had an uneasy feeling that this was going to blow up in Fassel's face. And sure enough...the preseason game vs. the Jets...Sehorn tears his ACL & his career was never the same. He was on the cusp of superstardom & it was gone just like that. That said, his pick vs. the Eagles in the '00 playoffs is still UFB/an all time great INT

Hopping into a time machine...what were your thoughts on it prior to the injury? For Sehorn returning kicks? Against it?

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I could be wrong....  
Kev in Cali : 8/9/2022 4:57 pm : link
and that was a devastating moment in NYG history....but I vaguely remember Sehorn was the one wanting to do KO/PRs.

Fassel may have been the one reluctant, but he signed off. If Sehorn never prompts the want to play the new position -- he may be in the HOF by now.

IDK, that's my theory : )
But yeah, I was against it....  
Kev in Cali : 8/9/2022 4:59 pm : link
At the time he was a stud CB, why mess with that?
It was a terrible idea though Sehorn wanted to do it  
BillT : 8/9/2022 5:00 pm : link
He was possibly the most valuable player on the team. Returning kicks was a less than important job. To put your top player at risk for that was idiotic. A terrible decision by Fassel.
Can't coach scared  
Greg from LI : 8/9/2022 5:02 pm : link
A knee injury can happen to any player on just about any play. It was bad luck.
I mean, Rod Woodson and Deion Sanders are HOFers  
Greg from LI : 8/9/2022 5:03 pm : link
And they returned kicks and punts all the time
Short Video  
Kev in Cali : 8/9/2022 5:05 pm : link
For those who haven't seen it yet.
Jason Sehorn's Cartwheel Interception - ( New Window )
Absolutely  
pjcas18 : 8/9/2022 5:07 pm : link
the right decision and it will always be the right decision.

injuries are not predictable and are part of the game.

Unfortunate, but it's reality.
The story I remember is Sehorn lobbying to do it  
mikeinbloomfield : 8/9/2022 5:13 pm : link
one of the most dynamic players ever on the Giants and using that ability as much as you can is never a bad idea. It just didn't work out. I remember watching that play in a bar in Hoboken and knowing right away his year was done. Those were terrible years for the Giants offense, so an injury on defense was a big deal.

Sehorn was a fun player to have on the team. He started shit with Mike Martz when he was OC for the Rams.
I was not a fan of using him as a KR,  
Section331 : 8/9/2022 5:23 pm : link
I thought he was too important at CB, but A) he wanted to do it, and B) it's not like other top CB's weren't returning kicks (Deion, among others).

A lot of people used his injury as an excuse to blame Fassel.
RE: Short Video  
ColHowPepper : 8/9/2022 5:23 pm : link
In comment 15776027 Kev in Cali said:
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For those who haven't seen it yet. Jason Sehorn's Cartwheel Interception - ( New Window )

Remember that like yesterday.

But I hated the idea from the get go, from that game day morning when it looked to be Sehorn on KR. Same page as you SFGF
It was stupid because it was a meaningless  
eric2425ny : 8/9/2022 5:25 pm : link
preseason game. He had a very good career, but he was destined for a hall of fame type path the way he was improving year to year.

If it happened in a meaningful game I would feel differently. I’ll never forget my Dad yelling “what the hell are you doing Fassel!” at the TV when he saw him put Sehorn in for that return.
A pet peeve of mine. I was meant with some resistance  
Big Blue '56 : 8/9/2022 5:28 pm : link
on here to my surprise. Sanders et al were punt and/or KRs in college, Sehorn wasn’t iirc..Stupid then, stupid now, imo
RE: A pet peeve of mine. I was meant with some resistance  
pjcas18 : 8/9/2022 5:33 pm : link
In comment 15776047 Big Blue '56 said:
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on here to my surprise. Sanders et al were punt and/or KRs in college, Sehorn wasn’t iirc..Stupid then, stupid now, imo


Sehorn returned 32 punts his Sr year at USC. As Shasta Jr. College (he spent 2 years there before USC) he returned punts and kicks.


Most People Who Claim that They Were Against it...  
Jim in Tampa : 8/9/2022 5:37 pm : link
BEFORE the injury happened are either lying to themselves or flat out lying to everyone.

Notice I said MOST, not ALL. I just think it's easy to convince yourself after the fact that you were against it all along.
RE: RE: A pet peeve of mine. I was meant with some resistance  
Big Blue '56 : 8/9/2022 5:39 pm : link
In comment 15776053 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15776047 Big Blue '56 said:


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on here to my surprise. Sanders et al were punt and/or KRs in college, Sehorn wasn’t iirc..Stupid then, stupid now, imo



Sehorn returned 32 punts his Sr year at USC. As Shasta Jr. College (he spent 2 years there before USC) he returned punts and kicks.



Thanks didn’t know that, albeit fielding punts are safer, imo..Many more things occur on KOs. On punts, he can call for a FC or simply let it hit the ground. Yes, you can get injured returning punts, but less so imv
RE: Most People Who Claim that They Were Against it...  
Big Blue '56 : 8/9/2022 5:40 pm : link
In comment 15776056 Jim in Tampa said:
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BEFORE the injury happened are either lying to themselves or flat out lying to everyone.

Notice I said MOST, not ALL. I just think it's easy to convince yourself after the fact that you were against it all along.


I was honestly against it before his injury. When he was back there, I turned to my brother and said something to the effect of, “wtf..Seriously?”
I was all for it at the time.  
TDMaker85 : 8/9/2022 5:41 pm : link
We needed a spark. And Sehorn was as sparkplug. But wow was that devastating.
RE: I mean, Rod Woodson and Deion Sanders are HOFers  
widmerseyebrow : 8/9/2022 5:51 pm : link
In comment 15776024 Greg from LI said:
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And they returned kicks and punts all the time


This is a good point.
I was at that game  
jnoble : 8/9/2022 5:51 pm : link
...but we got there late after kickoff so we had no idea what happened until after the game was over and Fassel was on WFAN postgame sounding like he just lost his best friend

And I had just bought a new road #31 Sehorn jersey earlier that day too. Go figure
I remember screaming at the TV  
Spiciest Memelord : 8/9/2022 6:03 pm : link
"Keep your filthy meat hooks off Angie Harmon, she rightfully belongs to me!!!" 😭
I  
jtfuoco : 8/9/2022 6:04 pm : link
Loved the idea the guy was a stud and I wanted him to get reps at WR as well and be our version of Dieon Sanders. All the people on here saying they were against it are some of the same who said he would only be a safety when he was drafted. Now doing it during preseason that is were I would question the decision making.
ehh...  
Jimmy Googs : 8/9/2022 6:05 pm : link

RE: RE: RE: A pet peeve of mine. I was meant with some resistance  
pjcas18 : 8/9/2022 6:07 pm : link
In comment 15776058 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 15776053 pjcas18 said:


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In comment 15776047 Big Blue '56 said:


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on here to my surprise. Sanders et al were punt and/or KRs in college, Sehorn wasn’t iirc..Stupid then, stupid now, imo



Sehorn returned 32 punts his Sr year at USC. As Shasta Jr. College (he spent 2 years there before USC) he returned punts and kicks.





Thanks didn’t know that, albeit fielding punts are safer, imo..Many more things occur on KOs. On punts, he can call for a FC or simply let it hit the ground. Yes, you can get injured returning punts, but less so imv


I'm not trying to change your mind, your opinion is fine and you have a right to it.

Just for reference though, Cooper Kupp returns punts and kicks for the Rams from time to time.

He (Kupp) returned 5 kicks in 4 years of college. That's less than Sehorn did.

you don't put your best player on defense  
Chip : 8/9/2022 6:11 pm : link
and let him return kicks or punts. It's just stupid.
Totally against it.  
redwhiteandbigblue : 8/9/2022 6:17 pm : link
He was a fringe Pro Bowl level CB a,d as stated, never returned kicks b4. He DID lobby for it, not Fassel.

I was at the game and one of the weirdest sights was when he was carted off the field, the women in our section were crying. The guys all looked at each other with this WTF look on their faces (like me).
People need to educate themselves  
pjcas18 : 8/9/2022 6:18 pm : link
Sehorn had extensively returned kicks in college.
Honestly  
Johnny5 : 8/9/2022 6:19 pm : link
I was ambivalent. He was a great player and he was lobbying Fassel hard for it, I figured he would be good at it since he was a ridiculous athlete. But I figured better to not do it in preseason... and I sure was pissed after he got hurt... lol.
RE: People need to educate themselves  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/9/2022 6:21 pm : link
In comment 15776094 pjcas18 said:
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Sehorn had extensively returned kicks in college.


I remember reading that @ the time, which I have to admit I didn't know.

Still sucks because I think the sky was the limit for him. He was THAT talented. He wasn't the same guy after that, getting smoked by the immortal Brandon Stokley in XXXV.
......  
Route 9 : 8/9/2022 6:50 pm : link
I mean that injury sucked and all but I was still fuming from that Minnesota playoff game the year prior. I knew the Giants needed a better QB and offense entirely to compete.

Kerry Collins was exactly the "spark" they needed in those days.

They were .500 in 1998, but I just remember them always getting destroyed by good teams back then. I was mad about the Sehorn injury but let's face it, There were so many better teams in the NFL than the Giants that year. A Super Bowl run just wasn't plausible in my opinion.

I think the fact this injury happened during pre-season is why it's such a bad look.
Holy fuck  
Route 9 : 8/9/2022 6:51 pm : link
I just karate chopped the neighbor and his wife thinking of that Minnesota 1998 playoff game
Route 9...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/9/2022 6:53 pm : link
Fassel looks like Lombardi compared to the dudes we've had as HC since TC, but man oh man...that Vikes loss & then 1/5/03...Good Lord. Talk about epic collapses.
You ask the most...  
BMac : 8/9/2022 7:02 pm : link
...brain dead questions of anyone on BBI. Why not just take the gas pipe and relieve us from your idiocy?
RE: you don't put your best player on defense  
Gatorade Dunk : 8/9/2022 7:10 pm : link
In comment 15776089 Chip said:
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and let him return kicks or punts. It's just stupid.

RE: RE: you don't put your best player on defense  
eric2425ny : 8/9/2022 7:18 pm : link
In comment 15776148 Gatorade Dunk said:
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and let him return kicks or punts. It's just stupid.




It was preseason. That’s the issue in my opinion. If they put him out there in week 10 when the division is on the line I’d have no problem with it.
RE: You ask the most...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/9/2022 7:20 pm : link
In comment 15776141 BMac said:
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...brain dead questions of anyone on BBI. Why not just take the gas pipe and relieve us from your idiocy?


Did I screw your wife or something? You're a very hostile guy. Go for a walk. Have a beer.
RE: Holy fuck  
jnoble : 8/9/2022 7:57 pm : link
In comment 15776130 Route 9 said:
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I just karate chopped the neighbor and his wife thinking of that Minnesota 1998 playoff game


LOL

I wasn't that angry because I was so happy at the time that we made the playoffs and seemed to have an offensive minded coach it didn't bother me that much.
The 2003 SF meltdown however....
That's a whole other story.
If my anger over that playoff game could be converted into energy we could power the entire world for a couple years
RE: You ask the most...  
Keaton028 : 8/9/2022 8:00 pm : link
In comment 15776141 BMac said:
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...brain dead questions of anyone on BBI. Why not just take the gas pipe and relieve us from your idiocy?


Lol wow guy chill. Why so hostile?
My take away memory  
CRinCA : 8/9/2022 8:01 pm : link
Was him sitting on the bench after the injury and he was just patting the head of the trainer or whoever was examining him back in those days. He was smiling and chatting so I though “great no big deal”. Then the hammer dropped.
That wasn't a cartwheel.  
short lease : 8/9/2022 8:05 pm : link
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Absolutely no issue with the decision to put him back there  
speedywheels : 8/9/2022 9:03 pm : link
He'd done it in college, and you want your best playmakers out there trying to make plays. As others have mentioned, plenty of examples of other stars doing it.

Injuries happen, you can't coach (or play) scared...
Some of the best return men in NFL history were great position players  
steve in ky : 8/9/2022 9:15 pm : link
A coach should put his best players in position to help his team win, that's what it is all about. Sometimes players get hurt, that's all part of the game but you can't coach scared.
I think doing it in a preseason game  
Aaroninma : 8/9/2022 9:27 pm : link
Was really silly.
Was all for it, BUT NEVER  
Emil : 8/9/2022 9:37 pm : link
In preseason. That moment typified the Fassel era. So much promise. But always one snap away from disaster.
Against it  
Joe Beckwith : 8/10/2022 12:39 am : link
Because of worst fear….which came true.
The injury was bad  
montanagiant : 8/10/2022 12:47 am : link
But the insane quirky rehab he did was the main factor in him never being the same IMO.

He packed on weight and muscle while rehabbing with Todd Marinovich's father. It slowed him down and he was never the same
100% for it  
Matt M. : 8/10/2022 12:52 am : link
The Giants had issues in the KR department and Sehorn lobbied for it. You can't throw him out there without practicing. Plus, at the time, I think the stats were that KR was one of the least likely positions to be injured.

Enough of the bogus argument that you can't take your best defender or best player for KR or ST. There is a long list of star players who returned kicks and/or punts.
RE: You ask the most...  
Route 9 : 8/10/2022 5:24 am : link
In comment 15776141 BMac said:
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...brain dead questions of anyone on BBI. Why not just take the gas pipe and relieve us from your idiocy?


Lol SFG you have been getting some heat lately.

Dare I say .... jealous?
Route 9.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/10/2022 6:39 am : link
Whatever. He is obviously a pretty disturbed & sad individual with his comments. I pray he finds peace.
RE: I mean, Rod Woodson and Deion Sanders are HOFers  
blueblood : 8/10/2022 9:05 am : link
In comment 15776024 Greg from LI said:
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And they returned kicks and punts all the time



THANK YOU !!!! said that then and it rings true now.
I never understood, then or now....  
Greg from LI : 8/10/2022 9:11 am : link
....the retort that "Oh, sure, Woodson and Deion returned kicks but they had experience doing it!"

a)it wasn't even true that Sehorn had never done it before but b)how does experience at returns prevent knee injuries???? It makes no sense.
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