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Tony in Tampa : 8/9/2022 8:06 pm
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I hope when it's all said and done  
George from PA : 8/9/2022 8:14 pm : link
Thomas is the best of that bunch of OTs drafted that year
ugh that's tough  
Pork Chop : 8/9/2022 8:14 pm : link
I wanted him on the Giants, but glad they dodged that injury bullet. I was legit rooting for him, really sorry to see this.
RE: ugh that's tough  
knowledgetimmons : 8/9/2022 8:24 pm : link
In comment 15776206 Pork Chop said:
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I wanted him on the Giants, but glad they dodged that injury bullet. I was legit rooting for him, really sorry to see this.


Nice sentiment. I’m figuring you won’t lose any sleep though.
RE: RE: ugh that's tough  
JayBinQueens : 8/9/2022 8:26 pm : link
In comment 15776216 knowledgetimmons said:
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I wanted him on the Giants, but glad they dodged that injury bullet. I was legit rooting for him, really sorry to see this.



Nice sentiment. I’m figuring you won’t lose any sleep though.


I'm figuring you're not a lot of fun in real life
RE: I hope when it's all said and done  
k2tampa : 8/9/2022 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15776205 George from PA said:
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Thomas is the best of that bunch of OTs drafted that year
season.

He's the best left tackle from the group.
When guys are that big, it always worries me  
Sy'56 : 8/9/2022 8:31 pm : link
From 2020:

Mekhi Becton / Louisville / 6’8 – 364
Grade: 82

Summary: Junior entry and three year starter from Highland Springs, Virginia. First team All ACC in 2019 as the team’s starting left tackle. Becton has played on both sides of the line and could project to either in the NFL. His game very much depends on the elite length and upper body explosion that can take over a one on one battle right away. Becton is rare physical force who gets movement at both the point of attack and in space the second he comes in contact with the defender. His issues are partially technique-based which, in theory, can be corrected but there are also movement issues. It can be hard for a player at his height to adjust with balance and precision and even his length can’t hide those issues in pass protection. His sometimes-inaccurate hands aren’t backed up by other physical attributes and techniques which gives him a rather large buyer-beware label. Boom or bust prospect who turns 21 just days prior to the draft.

*I don’t expect a guy this big to move like Tyron Smith from DAL, I get it. Yes, guys with this kind of length and width can get away with movement issues. Yes, I have been wrong a couple of times in recent years about mammoth tackles. All that in mind, I am placing a first round grade on Becton but I don’t think he is a top 10 pick for NYG, certainly not the guy I want at 4. Do I see NYG pursuing him? Sure. He is huge and explosive, he can be a dominant force in the running game, and he isn’t even 21 years old yet. There are a couple medical red flags that need to check out however. If a guy who weighs 360-380 pounds comes into the league with any injury red flag, I would be more worried than usual. Throw in some more red flags centering around his willingness to work and grind, I just don’t want to take the risk but I can see why some wouldn’t mind going for it. This is a rare specimen who has some quality tape.

That's it for his career  
Sammo85 : 8/9/2022 8:39 pm : link
Not with missing multiple yrs straight, the weight/eating issues up and down, and injuries.

Not that the Jets really had penciled in Becton for guaranteed quality play/starter, but they better hope their Ts hold up.
RE: When guys are that big, it always worries me  
AcidTest : 8/9/2022 8:49 pm : link
In comment 15776224 Sy'56 said:
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From 2020:

Mekhi Becton / Louisville / 6’8 – 364
Grade: 82

Summary: Junior entry and three year starter from Highland Springs, Virginia. First team All ACC in 2019 as the team’s starting left tackle. Becton has played on both sides of the line and could project to either in the NFL. His game very much depends on the elite length and upper body explosion that can take over a one on one battle right away. Becton is rare physical force who gets movement at both the point of attack and in space the second he comes in contact with the defender. His issues are partially technique-based which, in theory, can be corrected but there are also movement issues. It can be hard for a player at his height to adjust with balance and precision and even his length can’t hide those issues in pass protection. His sometimes-inaccurate hands aren’t backed up by other physical attributes and techniques which gives him a rather large buyer-beware label. Boom or bust prospect who turns 21 just days prior to the draft.

*I don’t expect a guy this big to move like Tyron Smith from DAL, I get it. Yes, guys with this kind of length and width can get away with movement issues. Yes, I have been wrong a couple of times in recent years about mammoth tackles. All that in mind, I am placing a first round grade on Becton but I don’t think he is a top 10 pick for NYG, certainly not the guy I want at 4. Do I see NYG pursuing him? Sure. He is huge and explosive, he can be a dominant force in the running game, and he isn’t even 21 years old yet. There are a couple medical red flags that need to check out however. If a guy who weighs 360-380 pounds comes into the league with any injury red flag, I would be more worried than usual. Throw in some more red flags centering around his willingness to work and grind, I just don’t want to take the risk but I can see why some wouldn’t mind going for it. This is a rare specimen who has some quality tape.


I feel sorry for him, but was leery of taking him because of his size, and think I said so at the time. I worry that OTs that tall could have back problems because it can be harder for them to continually bend over and get in the stance required for an OL. Their size may also make it harder for them to get out of their stance quickly enough to deal with speed rushers, especially around the edge. It's almost as if they need a second or so to "unfurl" themselves. Defenders can also get underneath their pads and push them off balance because their size means they have a high center of gravity.
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arcarsenal : 8/9/2022 9:03 pm : link
I really thought Gettleman was going to draft this guy. Hard to believe there's a mistake out there he didn't make, but at least we dodged this bullet.

Tough loss for the Jets.
RE: RE: RE: ugh that's tough  
knowledgetimmons : 8/9/2022 9:08 pm : link
In comment 15776219 JayBinQueens said:
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I wanted him on the Giants, but glad they dodged that injury bullet. I was legit rooting for him, really sorry to see this.



Nice sentiment. I’m figuring you won’t lose any sleep though.



I'm figuring you're not a lot of fun in real life


And here I am thinking a forum of informative, albeit perpetually miserable north-easterners would be the perfect place for a cynic like me.
RE: I hope when it's all said and done  
BillT : 8/9/2022 9:08 pm : link
In comment 15776205 George from PA said:
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Thomas is the best of that bunch of OTs drafted that year

He’s already the best.
RE: RE: When guys are that big, it always worries me  
GFAN52 : 8/9/2022 9:09 pm : link
In comment 15776234 AcidTest said:
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From 2020:

Mekhi Becton / Louisville / 6’8 – 364
Grade: 82

Summary: Junior entry and three year starter from Highland Springs, Virginia. First team All ACC in 2019 as the team’s starting left tackle. Becton has played on both sides of the line and could project to either in the NFL. His game very much depends on the elite length and upper body explosion that can take over a one on one battle right away. Becton is rare physical force who gets movement at both the point of attack and in space the second he comes in contact with the defender. His issues are partially technique-based which, in theory, can be corrected but there are also movement issues. It can be hard for a player at his height to adjust with balance and precision and even his length can’t hide those issues in pass protection. His sometimes-inaccurate hands aren’t backed up by other physical attributes and techniques which gives him a rather large buyer-beware label. Boom or bust prospect who turns 21 just days prior to the draft.

*I don’t expect a guy this big to move like Tyron Smith from DAL, I get it. Yes, guys with this kind of length and width can get away with movement issues. Yes, I have been wrong a couple of times in recent years about mammoth tackles. All that in mind, I am placing a first round grade on Becton but I don’t think he is a top 10 pick for NYG, certainly not the guy I want at 4. Do I see NYG pursuing him? Sure. He is huge and explosive, he can be a dominant force in the running game, and he isn’t even 21 years old yet. There are a couple medical red flags that need to check out however. If a guy who weighs 360-380 pounds comes into the league with any injury red flag, I would be more worried than usual. Throw in some more red flags centering around his willingness to work and grind, I just don’t want to take the risk but I can see why some wouldn’t mind going for it. This is a rare specimen who has some quality tape.




I feel sorry for him, but was leery of taking him because of his size, and think I said so at the time. I worry that OTs that tall could have back problems because it can be harder for them to continually bend over and get in the stance required for an OL. Their size may also make it harder for them to get out of their stance quickly enough to deal with speed rushers, especially around the edge. It's almost as if they need a second or so to "unfurl" themselves. Defenders can also get underneath their pads and push them off balance because their size means they have a high center of gravity.


Depends on how athletic they are. Jonathan Ogden was 6'9" and certainly had a great career.
RE: RE: I hope when it's all said and done  
arcarsenal : 8/9/2022 9:09 pm : link
In comment 15776249 BillT said:
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Thomas is the best of that bunch of OTs drafted that year


He’s already the best.


Whirfs would probably like a word.
RE: RE: RE: I hope when it's all said and done  
BillT : 8/9/2022 9:13 pm : link
In comment 15776252 arcarsenal said:
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Thomas is the best of that bunch of OTs drafted that year


He’s already the best.



Whirfs would probably like a word.

He can have as many words as he likes from right tackle where he’ll soon be surpassed by Evan Neal.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I hope when it's all said and done  
arcarsenal : 8/9/2022 9:19 pm : link
In comment 15776258 BillT said:
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Thomas is the best of that bunch of OTs drafted that year


He’s already the best.



Whirfs would probably like a word.


He can have as many words as he likes from right tackle where he’ll soon be surpassed by Evan Neal.


He was a first-team all-pro last year. Thomas is better than him just because he's a left tackle? Not sure I'm following your logic here.
RE: RE: RE: When guys are that big, it always worries me  
Sy'56 : 8/9/2022 9:19 pm : link
In comment 15776251 GFAN52 said:
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From 2020:

Mekhi Becton / Louisville / 6’8 – 364
Grade: 82

Summary: Junior entry and three year starter from Highland Springs, Virginia. First team All ACC in 2019 as the team’s starting left tackle. Becton has played on both sides of the line and could project to either in the NFL. His game very much depends on the elite length and upper body explosion that can take over a one on one battle right away. Becton is rare physical force who gets movement at both the point of attack and in space the second he comes in contact with the defender. His issues are partially technique-based which, in theory, can be corrected but there are also movement issues. It can be hard for a player at his height to adjust with balance and precision and even his length can’t hide those issues in pass protection. His sometimes-inaccurate hands aren’t backed up by other physical attributes and techniques which gives him a rather large buyer-beware label. Boom or bust prospect who turns 21 just days prior to the draft.

*I don’t expect a guy this big to move like Tyron Smith from DAL, I get it. Yes, guys with this kind of length and width can get away with movement issues. Yes, I have been wrong a couple of times in recent years about mammoth tackles. All that in mind, I am placing a first round grade on Becton but I don’t think he is a top 10 pick for NYG, certainly not the guy I want at 4. Do I see NYG pursuing him? Sure. He is huge and explosive, he can be a dominant force in the running game, and he isn’t even 21 years old yet. There are a couple medical red flags that need to check out however. If a guy who weighs 360-380 pounds comes into the league with any injury red flag, I would be more worried than usual. Throw in some more red flags centering around his willingness to work and grind, I just don’t want to take the risk but I can see why some wouldn’t mind going for it. This is a rare specimen who has some quality tape.




I feel sorry for him, but was leery of taking him because of his size, and think I said so at the time. I worry that OTs that tall could have back problems because it can be harder for them to continually bend over and get in the stance required for an OL. Their size may also make it harder for them to get out of their stance quickly enough to deal with speed rushers, especially around the edge. It's almost as if they need a second or so to "unfurl" themselves. Defenders can also get underneath their pads and push them off balance because their size means they have a high center of gravity.



Depends on how athletic they are. Jonathan Ogden was 6'9" and certainly had a great career.


He was 318 pounds
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FStubbs : 8/9/2022 9:23 pm : link
In comment 15776243 arcarsenal said:
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I really thought Gettleman was going to draft this guy. Hard to believe there's a mistake out there he didn't make, but at least we dodged this bullet.

Tough loss for the Jets.


Allegedly Jason Garrett was the one who pounded the table for Thomas according to the twitter leaks.
RE: RE: I hope when it's all said and done  
Jay on the Island : 8/9/2022 9:25 pm : link
In comment 15776249 BillT said:
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Thomas is the best of that bunch of OTs drafted that year


He’s already the best.

Wirfs is a better player but he also plays RT so it is fair to say that Thomas is the best LT from that class.
RE: RE: RE: I hope when it's all said and done  
Mike in NY : 8/9/2022 9:27 pm : link
In comment 15776273 Jay on the Island said:
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Thomas is the best of that bunch of OTs drafted that year


He’s already the best.


Wirfs is a better player but he also plays RT so it is fair to say that Thomas is the best LT from that class.


Wirfs also has Brady at QB. He makes a lot of OL look better than they are.
RE: RE: RE: RE: When guys are that big, it always worries me  
GFAN52 : 8/9/2022 9:27 pm : link
In comment 15776269 Sy'56 said:
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From 2020:

Mekhi Becton / Louisville / 6’8 – 364
Grade: 82

Summary: Junior entry and three year starter from Highland Springs, Virginia. First team All ACC in 2019 as the team’s starting left tackle. Becton has played on both sides of the line and could project to either in the NFL. His game very much depends on the elite length and upper body explosion that can take over a one on one battle right away. Becton is rare physical force who gets movement at both the point of attack and in space the second he comes in contact with the defender. His issues are partially technique-based which, in theory, can be corrected but there are also movement issues. It can be hard for a player at his height to adjust with balance and precision and even his length can’t hide those issues in pass protection. His sometimes-inaccurate hands aren’t backed up by other physical attributes and techniques which gives him a rather large buyer-beware label. Boom or bust prospect who turns 21 just days prior to the draft.

*I don’t expect a guy this big to move like Tyron Smith from DAL, I get it. Yes, guys with this kind of length and width can get away with movement issues. Yes, I have been wrong a couple of times in recent years about mammoth tackles. All that in mind, I am placing a first round grade on Becton but I don’t think he is a top 10 pick for NYG, certainly not the guy I want at 4. Do I see NYG pursuing him? Sure. He is huge and explosive, he can be a dominant force in the running game, and he isn’t even 21 years old yet. There are a couple medical red flags that need to check out however. If a guy who weighs 360-380 pounds comes into the league with any injury red flag, I would be more worried than usual. Throw in some more red flags centering around his willingness to work and grind, I just don’t want to take the risk but I can see why some wouldn’t mind going for it. This is a rare specimen who has some quality tape.




I feel sorry for him, but was leery of taking him because of his size, and think I said so at the time. I worry that OTs that tall could have back problems because it can be harder for them to continually bend over and get in the stance required for an OL. Their size may also make it harder for them to get out of their stance quickly enough to deal with speed rushers, especially around the edge. It's almost as if they need a second or so to "unfurl" themselves. Defenders can also get underneath their pads and push them off balance because their size means they have a high center of gravity.



Depends on how athletic they are. Jonathan Ogden was 6'9" and certainly had a great career.



He was 318 pounds


Everything I have read on his weight says he played at 345 pounds. But I was more referring to AcidTest's statement on height and recoiling out of his stance.
RE: RE: RE: I hope when it's all said and done  
Southern Man : 8/9/2022 9:28 pm : link
In comment 15776252 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 15776205 George from PA said:

It's an interesting debate. Wirfs has had the benefit of just slipping into a pretty well-oiled machine. Wills had a real strong 1st year in a much better offensive scheme than the NYG, but he seemed to regress a litte in Y2. Thomas has had a tougher road compared to those two, with multiple OCs and line coaches and, after the injuries, barely a trace of offensive line competence among anyone lining up to the right of him last year. I really like his dedication and intelligence.

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Thomas is the best of that bunch of OTs drafted that year


He’s already the best.



Whirfs would probably like a word.
318 at his combine  
Sy'56 : 8/9/2022 9:29 pm : link
335-345 during his career

Becton weighed 363 at his combine and has played 375+ so far
Wow I didn't know he was from the east side of Richmond  
mattlawson : 8/9/2022 9:31 pm : link
huh.
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arcarsenal : 8/9/2022 9:33 pm : link
Yeah, if we're talking strictly LT that's different. But Bill's response was to the tackle class in general–it's hard to say Thomas would still be the first one off the board if they re-did the draft today.

That's not to say Thomas can't wind up the best of the bunch. It's still early. I just think right now, if we're talking about the tackles in general, it has to be Whirfs.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I hope when it's all said and done  
Jay on the Island : 8/9/2022 9:40 pm : link
In comment 15776275 Mike in NY said:
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Wirfs also has Brady at QB. He makes a lot of OL look better than they are.

Correct which is why I would not argue with anyone claiming that Thomas is the best.
Is Wirfs  
Joe Beckwith : 8/10/2022 12:37 am : link
Now at LT?
If so, we’ll see how he does there.
If not, then the comparison is Wills and AT.
That sucks for such a young player  
montanagiant : 8/10/2022 12:49 am : link
Devastating injury
I juries suck but for a man that large  
eli4life : 8/10/2022 3:13 am : link
He should really consider dropping some lbs or he won’t be very long in this world
Reese  
BigBlueCane : 8/10/2022 5:03 am : link
absolutely would have targeted him.

Tough break for this young man.
...  
ryanmkeane : 8/10/2022 8:02 am : link
feel bad for the guy, seems like a good kid, but i don't see how he can hold up in the NFL if he can't cut weight
I don't know what some are watching...  
bw in dc : 8/10/2022 9:00 am : link
but I think Wirfs is one of the top five OLs, regardless of position, in the game. He's got Canton written all over him. I don't differentiate anymore between LT and RT. Too many good edge players line up on both sides. So, having a great RT is a huge asset.

I used  
Pete in MD : 8/10/2022 9:42 am : link
to see Jonathan Ogden out all of the time. He was a large man but didn’t have much fat on him.
RE: Is Wirfs  
Jay on the Island : 8/10/2022 9:46 am : link
In comment 15776368 Joe Beckwith said:
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Now at LT?
If so, we’ll see how he does there.
If not, then the comparison is Wills and AT.

No Wirfs is still at RT. Donovan Smith is Tampa's LT.
RE: I used  
GFAN52 : 8/10/2022 10:48 am : link
In comment 15776520 Pete in MD said:
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to see Jonathan Ogden out all of the time. He was a large man but didn’t have much fat on him.


The tallest OT that had such a great career in NFL history.
RE: I don't know what some are watching...  
arcarsenal : 8/10/2022 10:50 am : link
In comment 15776493 bw in dc said:
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but I think Wirfs is one of the top five OLs, regardless of position, in the game. He's got Canton written all over him. I don't differentiate anymore between LT and RT. Too many good edge players line up on both sides. So, having a great RT is a huge asset.


Thank you. I feel like I'm going crazy here. Whirfs, to me, seems to be one of the top tackles in the league right now. I don't think he's missed a snap. He was a 1st team all-pro last year.

I get that Brady is going to make his tackles look good because of how good and aware HE is, but think Whirfs is getting knocked down way too many pegs here simply because he's played on the right side in TB.

I think Thomas made some really good strides last season and is primed to put it together this year. I just don't know how you can take Thomas over Whirfs today.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I hope when it's all said and done  
Hades07 : 8/10/2022 12:25 pm : link
In comment 15776275 Mike in NY said:
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Thomas is the best of that bunch of OTs drafted that year


He’s already the best.


Wirfs is a better player but he also plays RT so it is fair to say that Thomas is the best LT from that class.



Wirfs also has Brady at QB. He makes a lot of OL look better than they are.
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Ever see Becton's parents?  
Stan in LA : 8/10/2022 1:26 pm : link
No wonder they names him 'Tiny'.
If he's inactive for a year, he could balloon to 500 lbs  
GeofromNJ : 8/10/2022 3:10 pm : link
On other hand, both he and the Jets could use this time to have him significantly change his eating habits and have him return next year weighing 300 lbs. and ready to play some football. Chance of this happening? Oh, about zero.
A shame really. The guy has some talent but injuries are taking a toll  
Ivan15 : 8/10/2022 6:03 pm : link
Either he takes the season and offseason to re-invent himself or his career is done. Some if not all his problems can be blamed on his size and maybe lack of motivation. He needs to focus on his issues.
Becton is  
Spiciest Memelord : 8/11/2022 3:04 pm : link
a wild specimen of chonky boi.
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