1:10 pm EST start at Citi Field
Mets have won the season series against the Reds already (4-1). Today is the last game of the series as well as the season against the Redlegs. Tomorrow's an off-day. Hopefully Taijuan Walker responds positively to his previous start.
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Great to see Taijuan respond like he did in the Top of the 1st.
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Great to see Taijuan respond like he did in the Top of the 1st.
Yeah, last thing we need is another end of season swoon from him. Hopefully, he gets back on track here.
I know he didn't play yesterday but I think Monday and today he was hit to lead off the game and came around to score.
What are the Mets' bullpen options/scenarios today for the following:
(A) If Walker goes 6 innings and the game is a blowout?
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(B) If Walker goes 6 innings and the game is close?
I know he didn't play yesterday but I think Monday and today he was hit to lead off the game and came around to score.
Yes sir
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Bassitt and Carrasco went deep, so bullpen is rested. I would look for Walker to pitch only about 6 today. Some bullpen guys are likely to need to get some work in, and Walker doesn't need to be going deep into games this late in the season.
What are the Mets' bullpen options/scenarios today for the following:
(A) If Walker goes 6 innings and the game is a blowout?
and
(B) If Walker goes 6 innings and the game is close?
I expect (A), as this pitcher isn't doing much. Williams hasn't pitched since Saturday. Medina I don't think has pitched since he was called up. Givens has pitched .1 innings since Saturday. Off day tomorrow. Good time to give Walker a "relaxing" 6 innings, get some other guys some work, and keep Walker fresh. He was not good down the stretch last year, as he had the huge innings increase.
McCann's might have been...
Nonetheless, this got me thinking of 2 things:
1) Does Lindor have a shot at also breaking Mets RBI record?
Yes.. on pace for about 117.. so if he catches a little streak its possible he and Pete could both break it..
2) What is the MLB record for most RBIs by teammates? Do the y have a shot?
At current pace it seems Lindor/Pete will be around such a record for the Mets....but no way for MLB record. I am not able to find what the record is, but in about 5 mins I found a season where Manny had 165 and Robbie Alomar had 120!!
Was looking ahead and right now schedules show the Braves pitching Strider Sunday vs Marlins. I cant believe they would do that and have him miss the Mets series
Nonetheless, this got me thinking of 2 things:
1) Does Lindor have a shot at also breaking Mets RBI record?
Yes.. on pace for about 117.. so if he catches a little streak its possible he and Pete could both break it..
2) What is the MLB record for most RBIs by teammates? Do the y have a shot?
At current pace it seems Lindor/Pete will be around such a record for the Mets....but no way for MLB record. I am not able to find what the record is, but in about 5 mins I found a season where Manny had 165 and Robbie Alomar had 120!!
Lindor has almost no shot at breaking the Mets RBI record. Piazza had 124, Lindor would need 43 rbi over the final 51 games of the season.
Ranger Suarez is an above average lefty starter for the Phillies. I wouldn't be "scared" of any P but yes he's a good MLB P
A lefty who had a 1.36 ERA last year in over 100 innings. He's the real deal.
Mets would be lucky to win! Just like Naquin got lucky hitting that homer!
I don't know who compared the Mets pickups to the Braves last year, but it was a very good comparison. Vogelbach, Ruf, and Naquin are all unheralded players that have greatly improved the depth of the Mets lineup
Philly has been playing awesome ball, will be a tough series.
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Don't forget Jankowski. Naquin replaced Jankowski, Ruf replaced Davis, and Vogelbach replaced Dom
Philly has been playing awesome ball, will be a tough series.
I wish we still had Zack Wheeler on this team. Imagine him as our 3rd starter? God damned Wilponzis.
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this is where the mets approach will be huge. We will hopefully be hitting the phils bullpen in the 5/6 and they will hit ours in the 6/7 (or later!).
Philly has been playing awesome ball, will be a tough series.
I wish we still had Zack Wheeler on this team. Imagine him as our 3rd starter? God damned Wilponzis.
+1. I feel exactly the same way. I think about this frequently re Wilpons.
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this is where the mets approach will be huge. We will hopefully be hitting the phils bullpen in the 5/6 and they will hit ours in the 6/7 (or later!).
Philly has been playing awesome ball, will be a tough series.
I wish we still had Zack Wheeler on this team. Imagine him as our 3rd starter? God damned Wilponzis.
The whole Stroman/Wheeler thing pissed me off to no end. I had far more of an issue with that than the Diaz trade.
Wheeler wanted to re-sign with the Mets. So, instead, they trade SWR and Kay for Stroman to keep him instead of Wheeler. Wheeler goes on to be a Cy Young candidate for a main rival. Stroman goes on to be a colossal douchebag
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Still need to recognize that Jose did the 81 from leadoff spot with pitcher hitting in front, so 81 was still VERY impressive
Nonetheless, this got me thinking of 2 things:
1) Does Lindor have a shot at also breaking Mets RBI record?
Yes.. on pace for about 117.. so if he catches a little streak its possible he and Pete could both break it..
2) What is the MLB record for most RBIs by teammates? Do the y have a shot?
At current pace it seems Lindor/Pete will be around such a record for the Mets....but no way for MLB record. I am not able to find what the record is, but in about 5 mins I found a season where Manny had 165 and Robbie Alomar had 120!!
Lindor has almost no shot at breaking the Mets RBI record. Piazza had 124, Lindor would need 43 rbi over the final 51 games of the season.
Yeah Dan I know the record was 124... he's on pace for 116/117... that's 7-8 RBIs off pace.. stranger things have happened
He had 28 RBI in 29 May games, has 11 RBI in 11 August games..
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this is where the mets approach will be huge. We will hopefully be hitting the phils bullpen in the 5/6 and they will hit ours in the 6/7 (or later!).
Philly has been playing awesome ball, will be a tough series.
I wish we still had Zack Wheeler on this team. Imagine him as our 3rd starter? God damned Wilponzis.
The whole Stroman/Wheeler thing pissed me off to no end. I had far more of an issue with that than the Diaz trade.
Wheeler wanted to re-sign with the Mets. So, instead, they trade SWR and Kay for Stroman to keep him instead of Wheeler. Wheeler goes on to be a Cy Young candidate for a main rival. Stroman goes on to be a colossal douchebag
+1. I feel the same.
Very similar to when Sandy gave a crazy disingenuous press conference mocking Jose when he signed with Miami for a very reasonable deal
It must have been Brodie Van Wilder speaking on Jeffie Boy's behalf Dan. Such a sickening time that was for us as a fan base. Especially seeing Wheeler on the Phils. Just as gross as seeing Lenny and Roger pitching for them back in the day.
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insinuating the Phillies "overpaid" Wheeler was unbelievably low-class, especially for an ex agent talking about somebody else's client. I half wonder if that came from Jeff. I ask that because Steve Phillips admitted the 24+1 stuff about A-Rod was just BS, and he knew the Wilpons weren't paying A-Rod anywhere near 25 per season.
It must have been Brodie Van Wilder speaking on Jeffie Boy's behalf Dan. Such a sickening time that was for us as a fan base. Especially seeing Wheeler on the Phils. Just as gross as seeing Lenny and Roger pitching for them back in the day.
Nelson Doubleday warned everybody about Jeff. He was right lol
He texted me after Thor's debut and said "The Phillies are interested in deGrom to join Wheeler and Thor in Philly"
I have to admit, that was pretty funny, though the thought made me nauseous
He texted me after Thor's debut and said "The Phillies are interested in deGrom to join Wheeler and Thor in Philly"
I have to admit, that was pretty funny, though the thought made me nauseous
The thought of Jake going to Philly makes me nauseous. It would be like Lt joining the Eagles. I think I'm gonna be sick.
Didn't realize he grew up a Braves fan. Makes sense though, as he grew up in FL.
Just no Braves/Yankees/Phillies for me. Though it would make me sick to see him in any other uniform. He is one of those players you pay to have him retire as a Met, even if it's a bad contract. This is the stuff I hope happens having a billionaire superfan as the owner
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Will he start the 7th?
Good point.
Especially now, having broken the game wide open
Yes, they are really bad.
Going (at least) 4-3 would be huge
No team will take on his contract, of course; and the end of 10 year contracts are often bad ROI's.
He's owed..
25 million in 2022
25 million in 2023
20 million in 2022
Ouch, but nice work if you can find it.
To be fair he was great from 2007-2018, MVP in 2010, but now, it's ugly to watch.
No team will take on his contract, of course; and the end of 10 year contracts are often bad ROI's.
He's owed..
25 million in 2022
25 million in 2023
20 million in 2022
Ouch, but nice work if you can find it.
To be fair he was great from 2007-2018, MVP in 2010, but now, it's ugly to watch.
Hopefully Lindor doesn't look like this at the end of his monster deal ending in 2031. He's 28 now and would be 37--a month shy of 38 actually since his birthday is in Mid-November--at the end of it.
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Trevor Williams is out there for the 8th. Guessing Medina gets the 9th. Might need Trevor in three days on Saturday for Jake. Let's see.
Trevor Williams is out there for the 8th. Guessing Medina gets the 9th. Might need Trevor in three days on Saturday for Jake. Let's see.
opti...Something I missed on Jacob or are you just speculating?
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12 pitches (10 strikes).
Trevor Williams is out there for the 8th. Guessing Medina gets the 9th. Might need Trevor in three days on Saturday for Jake. Let's see.
opti...Something I missed on Jacob or are you just speculating?
Just me speculating and being paranoid, lol.
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Boy, does he look disinterested.
No team will take on his contract, of course; and the end of 10 year contracts are often bad ROI's.
He's owed..
25 million in 2022
25 million in 2023
20 million in 2022
Ouch, but nice work if you can find it.
To be fair he was great from 2007-2018, MVP in 2010, but now, it's ugly to watch.
Hopefully Lindor doesn't look like this at the end of his monster deal ending in 2031. He's 28 now and would be 37--a month shy of 38 actually since his birthday is in Mid-November--at the end of it.
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Votto is 38 (39 next month) and still has two years on his deal, so 40 in his last year. Lindor will be a few years younger during his last year.
Then again, lindor plays a much more demanding position….
Love your thinking on that one. A's would be a good fit for Dom. Goes home to CA, less pressure, gets full-time PT. He could really flourish there and the A's could use some cost-controlled position players. And Puk would be a huge get for the Mets. Would throw in another player or two of the Otanez/Lee/Plummer variety to get it done.
Colorado, wash, Pitt, Cubs, Oakland. I really don’t see how we don’t hit 100 wins
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love to see them look into Dom (and likely some cash) for AJ Puk. Dom would get a chance to start, back home in California, and he and Puk are the same age. Puk has more years of control but he's also a non-closing RP. Dom will make 4+ next season so the Mets would likely have to kick in money (and/or another "prospect) but I think that's the kind of move that might make sense.
Love your thinking on that one. A's would be a good fit for Dom. Goes home to CA, less pressure, gets full-time PT. He could really flourish there and the A's could use some cost-controlled position players. And Puk would be a huge get for the Mets. Would throw in another player or two of the Otanez/Lee/Plummer variety to get it done.
Yeah to be clear, when I say prospect I don't mean absolute trash but "filler"... like the names you mentioned. Dom simply has no future here anymore. Alonso is the every day 1b, Ruf and Vogelbach signed for next year + Vientos. Puk would fill an organizational need (no clear lefty reliever on the horizon internally).
He looked excellent out there today (who wouldn't though against this trash eds team, lol) and pretty good before.
My man Bob Murphy used love his Rheingold........
How great was it growing up with Lindsey, Ralph and Bob
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love to see them look into Dom (and likely some cash) for AJ Puk. Dom would get a chance to start, back home in California, and he and Puk are the same age. Puk has more years of control but he's also a non-closing RP. Dom will make 4+ next season so the Mets would likely have to kick in money (and/or another "prospect) but I think that's the kind of move that might make sense.
Love your thinking on that one. A's would be a good fit for Dom. Goes home to CA, less pressure, gets full-time PT. He could really flourish there and the A's could use some cost-controlled position players. And Puk would be a huge get for the Mets. Would throw in another player or two of the Otanez/Lee/Plummer variety to get it done.
Yeah to be clear, when I say prospect I don't mean absolute trash but "filler"... like the names you mentioned. Dom simply has no future here anymore. Alonso is the every day 1b, Ruf and Vogelbach signed for next year + Vientos. Puk would fill an organizational need (no clear lefty reliever on the horizon internally).
+1 Makes perfect sense for all parties involved. Hopefully we send Dom away in the off-season with something shiny on his ring finger :-)
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My man Bob Murphy used love his Rheingold........
How great was it growing up with Lindsey, Ralph and Bob
The Mets have a history of great starting pitching and great announcers.
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My man Bob Murphy used love his Rheingold........
How great was it growing up with Lindsey, Ralph and Bob
I'm an 80s kid, so I missed Lindsey Nelson. Would have loved him I'm sure. I loved listening to Bob Murphy and watching Kiner's Korner on Channel 9 back in the day after n' before games growing up.
Speaking of Dom having no place, his only real chance may be if (knock on wood) Alonso gets injured. If Vogelbach is out, Palka may step into his role.
Palka has a .523 OPS vs lefties. Against righties, in his career in the majors he has a .749 OPS, with 27 HR in 415 AB. Palka right now may be the Vogelbach insurance. Lefty that only hits righties and can't field.
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My man Bob Murphy used love his Rheingold........
How great was it growing up with Lindsey, Ralph and Bob
I'm an 80s kid, so I missed Lindsey Nelson. Would have loved him I'm sure. I loved listening to Bob Murphy and watching Kiner's Korner on Channel 9 back in the day after n' before games growing up.
Anyone remember how good Tim McCarver broadcasting games? He was a good announcer too right? I also remememer Kiners Korner. They got like $100 cash or something for being on the show. Was that really a perk though for even an 80s ball player salary/
Anyway, Mets fans have been particularly lucky with their broadcasters. I hate it when the game is on espn and you have their shitty announcers doing it.
He texted me after Thor's debut and said "The Phillies are interested in deGrom to join Wheeler and Thor in Philly"
I have to admit, that was pretty funny, though the thought made me nauseous
Tell him they can have Gsellman instead
Tim McCarver is my all-time favorite baseball television announcer! I learned the never make the first or third out at third base mantra from him! I miss those days and those teams. Looks like we've got something cooking now for this generation of fans though with the team and the announcers now too :-)
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they were fantastic. Grew up on them on WWOR. They are the voice of my childhood, as are Harry Caray/Steve Stone. Would always catch afternoon Cubs games on WGN when I’d get home from school, or on a hot summer afternoon when I wanted to come inside and get out of the heat
Tim McCarver is my all-time favorite baseball television announcer! I learned the never make the first or third out at third base mantra from him! I miss those days and those teams. Looks like we've got something cooking now for this generation of fans though with the team and the announcers now too :-)
I can’t say I miss many of the teams other than for nostalgia reasons. Was born in 1980, so too young for 86. Loved HoJo. My favorite growing up. (I have a friend of a friend who worked for STL Mets and the Mets organization has an in person draft, where they will allow proxies. I told him I would love to for HoJo, so trying for that). Anyway, can’t say I miss the likes of teams starting the Jeff McKnights, Tim Bogars, and Chico Walkers of the world
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they were fantastic. Grew up on them on WWOR. They are the voice of my childhood, as are Harry Caray/Steve Stone. Would always catch afternoon Cubs games on WGN when I’d get home from school, or on a hot summer afternoon when I wanted to come inside and get out of the heat
Tim McCarver is my all-time favorite baseball television announcer! I learned the never make the first or third out at third base mantra from him! I miss those days and those teams. Looks like we've got something cooking now for this generation of fans though with the team and the announcers now too :-)
I can’t say I miss many of the teams other than for nostalgia reasons. Was born in 1980, so too young for 86. Loved HoJo. My favorite growing up. (I have a friend of a friend who worked for STL Mets and the Mets organization has an in person draft, where they will allow proxies. I told him I would love to for HoJo, so trying for that). Anyway, can’t say I miss the likes of teams starting the Jeff McKnights, Tim Bogars, and Chico Walkers of the world
I was born in '77 and lived in Flushing. I remember watching my cartoons and stumbling onto the Mets on Channel 9, lol. My mom already had bought me a Mets jacket, so that was my team. I watched casually after that not knowing much, but didn't really start to understand anything until late 85, and I've been a fan ever since.
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Ruf is only under contract next year. Which is fine. By 2024, those ABs will belong to Vientos/Alvarez
Canha and Escobar will both be heading into their final years so at somewhat reasonable prices they (or Ruf) could get traded.
or they could trade half the farm for Ohtani.
i think the good thing is there's competition and the best guys will get to play.
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something unforeseen big Vog should be a Met for at least 2 more seasons. Ruf, is also under control for 2 more but I could see them moving on towards Vientos after the season.
Ruf is only under contract next year. Which is fine. By 2024, those ABs will belong to Vientos/Alvarez
Ruf has a contract for next season but he’s under team control for 2 more 2024 team option)
Leaving 3 million on the table would be pretty wild for a guy who has made 6.25 total
I can't remember having this much fun watching them.
hope it lasts and they ride this wave.
Alonso is 32nd.
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something unforeseen big Vog should be a Met for at least 2 more seasons. Ruf, is also under control for 2 more but I could see them moving on towards Vientos after the season.
Ruf is only under contract next year. Which is fine. By 2024, those ABs will belong to Vientos/Alvarez
Club option for 2024. Ruf will turn 38 that year but at 3.5 million don't rule out his contract still being a relative bargain.
So far Mets deadline trades are an A++
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something unforeseen big Vog should be a Met for at least 2 more seasons. Ruf, is also under control for 2 more but I could see them moving on towards Vientos after the season.
Ruf is only under contract next year. Which is fine. By 2024, those ABs will belong to Vientos/Alvarez
Ruf has a contract for next season but he’s under team control for 2 more 2024 team option)
Gotcha. Didn’t realize the team option
“ Monster year coming from Lindor. Top 10 MVP finish, 5ish fWAR #Mets”
Just stating it as a possibility, lol. Wild that that's all he's made as a major leaguer when he's been around forever.
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My money but 8 seasons 6.25 million they would have to chop my arm off to walk away from 3 million next year lol
Just stating it as a possibility, lol. Wild that that's all he's made as a major leaguer when he's been around forever.
He’s had quite the career arc. Went to Korea thinking he was done in the bigs and now here we are. Pretty cool
Announcers are bad..but the tech stack is worse..
No app to watch on my phone (eg. I watched whole game on my phone today, most of last nights prob 80% overall this season), no ability to pause or rewind..it's just brutal
This is going to suck
Canha and Escobar will both be heading into their final years so at somewhat reasonable prices they (or Ruf) could get traded.
or they could trade half the farm for Ohtani.
i think the good thing is there's competition and the best guys will get to play.
I have a very strong feeling Naquin is the backup plan to Nimmo. With Boras in the picture I think it will be more difficult to sign Nimmo. Also, Nimmo's OBP has dropped significantly--maybe because Boras is in his ear about driving the ball more.
A Naquin/Ruf platoon or semi-platoon probably gives you same or more production than Nimmo. Naquin is also a good fielder and supposedly has a cannon for an arm. So he could take over in RF and Marte in CF.
Opens more ABs potentially for Vientos at DH with Ruf playing some LF.
Love Nimmo, and want to keep him. But they do have options if he prices himself out and gets some insane offer somewhere else
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as a backup OF and Vientos could be the backup 1b/DH. Assuming Nimmo gets extended he'd be the CF and Canha can be the backup in CF (or Marte).
Canha and Escobar will both be heading into their final years so at somewhat reasonable prices they (or Ruf) could get traded.
or they could trade half the farm for Ohtani.
i think the good thing is there's competition and the best guys will get to play.
I have a very strong feeling Naquin is the backup plan to Nimmo. With Boras in the picture I think it will be more difficult to sign Nimmo. Also, Nimmo's OBP has dropped significantly--maybe because Boras is in his ear about driving the ball more.
A Naquin/Ruf platoon or semi-platoon probably gives you same or more production than Nimmo. Naquin is also a good fielder and supposedly has a cannon for an arm. So he could take over in RF and Marte in CF.
Opens more ABs potentially for Vientos at DH with Ruf playing some LF.
Not out of the question at all. I think the Mets are going to have their price with Nimmo and if he wants top dollar he's going to be elsewhere. Either of Canha and McNeil can bat leadoff too (in fact both are probably better suited there than in run producing spots middle of the order).
There is no replacement for Nimmo. He is a top 25 player in the sport, the best CF in the NL, and it would be a DEVASTATING loss if he wasnt brought back.
Ill have faith he will be a Cohen priority and will be retained until he's not.
deGrom (if healthy), Diaz, and Nimmo are must signs.
deGrom literally said this year that after he opts out he hopes to sign a new contract with the Mets.
Do you know who their run has been against? 10-0 vs Pitt, Wash, and Miami. 2-1 vs Atl
Its like the Braves run from June-All Star Break. Playing really bad teams
There is no replacement for Nimmo. He is a top 25 player in the sport, the best CF in the NL, and it would be a DEVASTATING loss if he wasnt brought back.
Ill have faith he will be a Cohen priority and will be retained until he's not.
deGrom (if healthy), Diaz, and Nimmo are must signs.
I don’t believe I saw a single person here “jumping to justify getting rid of or replacing Nimmo.” Just discussing backup plans if he does leave. Huge difference.
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but don’t think Degrom wants to be here. Would be very surprised if he is.
deGrom literally said this year that after he opts out he hopes to sign a new contract with the Mets.
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Very very anxious about this series... Need to take 2/3 and squash their run a bit
Do you know who their run has been against? 10-0 vs Pitt, Wash, and Miami. 2-1 vs Atl
Its like the Braves run from June-All Star Break. Playing really bad teams
I mean, according to Fangraphs he has been the 3rd best CFer in baseball this year behind only Judge and Trout...so idk
"ranking" is a superficial fan thing that has no bearing on anything.
Springer ($25mx6) and Marte ($19.5mx4) are the 2 recent contract comps that apply to Nimmo. If someone gives him Springer money he's gone, if he's willing to sign for closer to Marte money with a 5th year he'll probably stay. The mets had this exact song and dance play out with Conforto/Boras where they offered him the latter but he wanted the former and thankfully they held the line, didn't get sentimental, and went their separate ways (which brought us a better player in Marte at a lower price).
whichever way things go the mets have some internal alternatives (as vanzetti pointed out) and they will spend money on talent. as great as it would be to bring back nimmo they just can't be overly sentimental and overpay. they have multiple pitchers they need to extend just as badly if not moreso. they need to get alonso extended too and that's going to be $200m+.
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When there are 4-5 center fielders better in AL and you could probably argue Reynolds’s and Harris are more dynamic offensive players. And I love nimmo - I just don’t know why we rank him based upon league.
I mean, according to Fangraphs he has been the 3rd best CFer in baseball this year behind only Judge and Trout...so idk
Buxton has had almost the same season as nimmo and he just extended on a 7x100m (1 year ahead of UFA). like Nimmo he's had problems staying healthy. that's another very relevant comp. Nimmo should come in higher than that around 5x20m+ since he will reach the open market but if Boras finds another team willing to overpay on the open market (which he sometimes does) he may end up elsewhere.
the LAD let Seager walk last year. and Scherzer. and things are still going pretty good for them because they still kept the money on the field and added Freeman. someone good will take cohen's $ if Nimmo doesn't.
What evidence do you have of that? Just because he's opting out? That's silly. It seems obvious he gave the Coupons a discount and Jake knows he doesn't have to do that with Uncle Steve and it's no secret what Max was given.
I would guess that Jake and Cohen both want to work something out. Where else would Jake want to go and what other team will be able to afford him?
He's an east coast guy (from FL, grew up about 2 hrs from PSL), so I doubt he'll want to go to LA (where his family would rarely see him). And I think he's smarter than Thor and knows, especially now, the grass isn't greener anywhere else.
Very nice. So glad he's doing well. Was pretty concerned for a while, with his under performance and such a long contract.
So they traded away 7.5 WAR to get 4.6 WAR and 1.7 WAR (Carrasco)and paid 350 million for the privilege of doing so
So they traded away 7.5 WAR to get 4.6 WAR and 1.7 WAR (Carrasco)and paid 350 million for the privilege of doing so
Rosario and Gimenez are at 6 fWAR, Lindor and Carrasco 7.2
I hope Steve Cohen throws as much money at talented players as he possibly can. I've waited years for the Mets to be in a position to do so.
Here is one
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and Rosario at 3.4
So they traded away 7.5 WAR to get 4.6 WAR and 1.7 WAR (Carrasco)and paid 350 million for the privilege of doing so
Rosario and Gimenez are at 6 fWAR, Lindor and Carrasco 7.2
WAR is calculated in different ways. My numbers are from ESPN, yours are from Fangraphs.
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and Rosario at 3.4
So they traded away 7.5 WAR to get 4.6 WAR and 1.7 WAR (Carrasco)and paid 350 million for the privilege of doing so
Rosario and Gimenez are at 6 fWAR, Lindor and Carrasco 7.2
WAR is calculated in different ways. My numbers are from ESPN, yours are from Fangraphs.
Which again shows how ridiculous these new stats are. They are calculated differently by different people, and are based upon made up arbitrary numbers
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That is actually incorrect. The whole point of WAR is to be additive. So pitchers can be compared to hitters and defense and offense weighed together.
So a rotation of vintage Jacob Degrom and four scrubs is not better than a rotation of five Carlos Carrascos.
"I walked into the dining room looking for somebody the other day around 2:30, 3 o'clock and he had the iPad back in the corner,” said Mets manager Buck Showalter. “You know the true character of a person is what they do when nobody is looking.
Another underrated trait of Lindor is his leadership, which has impressed Daniel Vogelbach in only the 15 games he’s played in the blue and orange since he was dealt prior to the trade deadline from the Pittsburgh Pirates.
“The stuff (people) don’t see on the everyday basis is, you know, the way he leads and the leader he is in the clubhouse and the leader he is on the field,” Vogelbach said. “It’s huge for us.
If you think the Mets would be as good as they are this season with Rosario/Gimenez vs. Lindor/Carrasco we will have to truly agree to disagree and I couldn’t disagree more
That's true. But fangraphs uses FIP instead of RA9. And FIP is calculated in different ways, so Fanfraphs uses its own version of FIP, which makes the whole calculation a bit circular.
And I understand why they don't want to use RA9 since its a bit crude. But FIP is just not that good or accurate a stat, It often varies wildly from year to year with the same player.
Basically, I think WAR is still evolving as a stat and ten years from now today's WAR will appear extremely primitive. It's just really not that accurate but it is valuable because it lets all aspects of the game to be directly compared with one another. With other stats, pitching, hitting and fielding are all separate.
I'm not trying to knock the guy and I'm glad he is finally living up to his contract
But let's not turn him into some paragon. He plays hard, he studies, he does the best he can--but he is also being paid 35 million per year so I don't see those things as something special. That's what he should be doing. It's his profession.
I'm not trying to knock the guy and I'm glad he is finally living up to his contract
But let's not turn him into some paragon. He plays hard, he studies, he does the best he can--but he is also being paid 35 million per year so I don't see those things as something special. That's what he should be doing. It's his profession.
Or… as it’s been reported… McNeil was unwilling to listen to the coaches/manager when they wanted him to shift and was actually benched for not listening. Yeah, a leader takes you to task for not doing what is asked from you. According to almost everybody McNeil (for unknown reasons) was very hard to deal with last season and pretty much a “jerk” to all that came in contact with him.
As it turns out, Rojas followed through with his warning by sitting McNeil on April 22 in Chicago and April 25 at Citi Field vs. the Nationals, but it is unknown which game he was sat down for disciplinary reasons, per Puma.”
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but don’t think Degrom wants to be here. Would be very surprised if he is.
What evidence do you have of that? Just because he's opting out? That's silly. It seems obvious he gave the Coupons a discount and Jake knows he doesn't have to do that with Uncle Steve and it's no secret what Max was given.
I would guess that Jake and Cohen both want to work something out. Where else would Jake want to go and what other team will be able to afford him?
He's an east coast guy (from FL, grew up about 2 hrs from PSL), so I doubt he'll want to go to LA (where his family would rarely see him). And I think he's smarter than Thor and knows, especially now, the grass isn't greener anywhere else.
As you said, this is a guess. He's from DeLand Florida. That is deeply The South. He's very much a country guy. He owns a ranch he runs quad wheelers on and has a ridiculous custom big wheel ford truck. If he wants to finish his career in a place where he can live his regular season in the lifestyle he's comfortable with, it's not unheard of. And if outright love of the Mets was part of the equation this would not be a discussion by now, they would've had something done.
All it takes is one owner. They all have the money. It's a choice to spend it.
I'm not saying this to push a narrative, because I hope he stays, but no one should be so comfortable about it or treat it like a lock.
I would say Roberts and Rodriguez are partly on upside but I think 32 out of 32 gms take those two over nimmo for 2023. But you could talk me into Nimmo over most of them for this year.
I'm not trying to knock the guy and I'm glad he is finally living up to his contract
But let's not turn him into some paragon. He plays hard, he studies, he does the best he can--but he is also being paid 35 million per year so I don't see those things as something special. That's what he should be doing. It's his profession.
The 35 million a year is for the 162 games . Everything else is extra, which often gets incorrectly spun into the dollar sign.
It is actually cool and non-required that helped a new guy get adjusted and fit in after being traded, or that he works hard at it off hours, or that he otherwise helps teammates.
He could just be an asshole like Jeff Kent or Barry Bonds who isolates himself in a corner separate from the team. like a tower on an island.
If you think the Mets would be as good as they are this season with Rosario/Gimenez vs. Lindor/Carrasco we will have to truly agree to disagree and I couldn’t disagree more
I don't even think that's arguable, and while I'm happy that both Rosario and Giminez are playing so well, let's see if they can continue to play at such a high level. Lindor has done it.
And yes, calling McNeil out on his refusal to cooperate is leadership. I don't condone the fighting, but we don't know who started the physical part of that exchange. That both Lindor and McNeil have moved on from that incident speaks well of both.
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That's leadership?
I'm not trying to knock the guy and I'm glad he is finally living up to his contract
But let's not turn him into some paragon. He plays hard, he studies, he does the best he can--but he is also being paid 35 million per year so I don't see those things as something special. That's what he should be doing. It's his profession.
Or… as it’s been reported… McNeil was unwilling to listen to the coaches/manager when they wanted him to shift and was actually benched for not listening. Yeah, a leader takes you to task for not doing what is asked from you. According to almost everybody McNeil (for unknown reasons) was very hard to deal with last season and pretty much a “jerk” to all that came in contact with him.
Then there is the booing the fans incident.
And again not trying to knock Lindor. Good player.
But it seems to me that the Polar Bear is every bit the leader on this team. Not that you can't have more than one leader.
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two 3 WAR players.
That is actually incorrect. The whole point of WAR is to be additive. So pitchers can be compared to hitters and defense and offense weighed together.
So a rotation of vintage Jacob Degrom and four scrubs is not better than a rotation of five Carlos Carrascos.
I actually agree with the one 6.5 WAR player being more valuable because you have to add a second player like McNeil to compare the WAR. You can only play 9 players at a time. Unless I am misunderstanding the whole concept of WAR.
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two 3 WAR players.
That is actually incorrect. The whole point of WAR is to be additive. So pitchers can be compared to hitters and defense and offense weighed together.
So a rotation of vintage Jacob Degrom and four scrubs is not better than a rotation of five Carlos Carrascos.
You’d always rather have a 6.0 WAR player over two 3.0 WAR players, especially for a high payroll team. An average MLB regular is 1.5-2WAR. With the 6.0WAR player, you can add additional value from another open position.
Your DeGrom example makes no sense because why assume the other 4 pitchers would be scrubs?
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two 3 WAR players.
That is actually incorrect. The whole point of WAR is to be additive. So pitchers can be compared to hitters and defense and offense weighed together.
So a rotation of vintage Jacob Degrom and four scrubs is not better than a rotation of five Carlos Carrascos.
I actually agree with the one 6.5 WAR player being more valuable because you have to add a second player like McNeil to compare the WAR. You can only play 9 players at a time. Unless I am misunderstanding the whole concept of WAR.
Your understanding is correct and that’s why superstar players get paid so much.
As you said, this is a guess. He's from DeLand Florida. That is deeply The South. He's very much a country guy. He owns a ranch he runs quad wheelers on and has a ridiculous custom big wheel ford truck. If he wants to finish his career in a place where he can live his regular season in the lifestyle he's comfortable with, it's not unheard of. And if outright love of the Mets was part of the equation this would not be a discussion by now, they would've had something done.
All it takes is one owner. They all have the money. It's a choice to spend it.
I'm not saying this to push a narrative, because I hope he stays, but no one should be so comfortable about it or treat it like a lock.
He's originally from DeLeon Springs FL, but went to Stetson College in nearby DeLand. That's where he met his wife and where they live offseason. I actually live about an hour from there. The way you say "deeply The South" makes it sound like people of that region love their livestock a little too much. It's not like in the movie Deliverance.
Of course you could be right, but which team that can afford him, has an area nearby where he can have a ranch like he has in Florida? His parents with whom he is very close, I believe still live in DeLeon Springs. I believe his wife and her family are also from the area. From the nearby executive airport, he can probably make it to Citifield faster from there then he could drive to Miami.
I'll be very surprised if he and Cohen don't work something out and he's not back with the Mets. If the Wilpons still owned the team, it would be a totally different story.
this is one of the better (or worse based on perspective) things about baseball. I'd recognize Lindor if I saw him out - same with most of the Mets.
I read about people seeing football players or hockey players in public (mostly Anakim) and I have no clue unless it's Eli or Strahan (for example) or Sidney Crosby for a hockey example how people recognize them.
I met David Cone in a bar in New Haven - recognized him immediately. Said to the bartender - hey that guy looks like David Cone and he said "oh, you guys never met Coney - let me introduce you" - what a fun night. lol.
That's cool. Did you say - I'm glad you stopped sucking? ;>)
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Of odd coincidences… as part of my job (that has nothing to do with baseball or famous people) I just met Francisco Lindor, his gf (or wife), his daughter and a gentleman he was with but not sure who he was lol. He was smiley, nice, and just as you’d expect him to be
this is one of the better (or worse based on perspective) things about baseball. I'd recognize Lindor if I saw him out - same with most of the Mets.
I read about people seeing football players or hockey players in public (mostly Anakim) and I have no clue unless it's Eli or Strahan (for example) or Sidney Crosby for a hockey example how people recognize them.
I met David Cone in a bar in New Haven - recognized him immediately. Said to the bartender - hey that guy looks like David Cone and he said "oh, you guys never met Coney - let me introduce you" - what a fun night. lol.
Funny you mention David Cone. I was on St Marks a few years back and saw John Leguizamo and said hello to him, literally half way down the block we then saw David Cone and we actually told him we had just seen Leguizamo (who he somehow knows/knew randomly)… a block later we saw Claire Danes. It was truly bizarre